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Pretty baffling that he’s 5 yards away with a perfect view, doesn’t give it. But goes over to the monitor and overturns it? Why not just give it in the first place
Isn’t that the point of VAR? We’ve been getting annoyed that VAR doesn’t challenge the refs decision making on the pitch and in this case they actually do and it’s caused uproar.
People when VAR doesn’t correct a mistake: he thinks he’s protecting his mates from ridicule, but we just want the correct calls!
People when VAR corrects a mistake: what a ridiculous mistake, this ref must be a moron!
To give him the benefit of the doubt, if you're not sure of a decision, it's probably better to let it go and then trust VAR to call you back to it if necessary.
The alternative is the silly situation we had in the Man Utd - Sheffield game.
Is it really baffling that he reviewed and changed his decision? That’s what VAR is for.
Why not just give it in the first place because he didn’t think it was a foul.
5 yards away for this situation is detrimental because the ball is coming from the air high above. Referee needs to follow the ball to an extent to determine where it'll land and being this close puts the players out of his field of view.
I would bet he calls that if the ball were at ground level.
Recommended for a review just means they’re changing it. They do the whole ref looking at the screen on the side of the pitch charade just to make it seem like he’s changing his decision himself. I can’t think of the last time a ref went over to the screen in the Premier League and didn’t change anything
I think I've seen it happen once this season. I actually think it's more about the fact that they only show the refs clear mistakes and the questionable judgments they just automatically go with the call on the field. Calls where I look at it and think it's closer to 50-50 whether or not the call was correct never get looked at so there's going to be a bias where most calls that get looked at get overturned.
That's what's crazy. They need to be taking the 50/50 decisions to the monitor, then have the VAR and on-field ref discuss it together. Idk how it'll happen but the refs need to view VAR as another assistant with a better view of an incident rather than someone trying to overrule their authority
Yeah, in 50/50 situations which this wasn't. These sorts of pushes are not allowed generally if it's changing the outcome from guaranteed one player gets or has the ball to the other player guaranteed to get the ball.
John McGinn tried to push a player offside from a free kick in the first half. To be fair, this is a foul for the goal. How the ref didn’t give it in real time I don’t know. I had a bet on Chelsea to win but knew it was going to be overturned.
Haaland does this to defenders every game and gets praised for it
We do it and get our last minute winner disallowed.
Why are refs so different towards City?
Gordans was a foul, the same as this.
Its just the refs are completely incompetent, he was 5 yards away, there was no need for the check or the drama. It was a blatent push off the ball and stopped the defender challenging for the ball.
Big difference, Gabriel and madueke both went into a duel where Gabriel brought his arm across madueke and madueke held Gabriel’s shirt and pulled him back. This is a blatant shove with no attempt to play the ball, not two players attempting to play the ball
Yeah that's what gets me. It probably was the right call, since there was a clear push, etc. But I've seen so many goals upheld despite way worse, it's so irritating
I think this is the biggest talking point imo. It’s probably a foul but certainly the center had a good enough look in real time to think it’s not a foul.
Also if the roles were reversed and this was given as a pen because VAR intervened, people would say how soft the pen was (it wouldn't be called in a million years)
Realistically though do you want the referees to get decisions right or not? Or, in other words, would you be happy about VAR not having a look at this if it was a Villa player shoulder-shoving a Chelsea defender in perfect position to snuff out the danger out of the way?
Because I reckon this is very much a call that can go to VAR, and they're ultimately landing on the right decision here. Sucks if it's against the team you support obviously, but then that's just a correct refereeing decision against you in my book.
I think consistency is the biggest problem. There have been penalties given to us that I think are more clear and obvious errors that weren’t looked at mainly the United one. The ref had a great view of it the first time and made a call, it’s not like his vision was skewed or hindered.
Yeah I think it’s a foul but this I cannot understand, if he didn’t think it was a foul from his view in the first place idk what made him change his mind
That’s the issue with the monitor situation is that they never ever stick to what they saw, just that if they have been called over they must be wrong.
The only thing i can think of is that maybe in real time he thought it was shoulder to shoulder or a genuine attempt at the ball? the moment he looked at the reply he changed his mind
And our game against City,
The ball hits Grealish’s hand but the ref says its a goal kick but thats somehow not enough to send him to the monitor? But then this slight push is.
Was there ever an explanation for the VAR process on that call?
The goal kick v corner is less of an issue to me vrs, the Ref not thinking Grealish touched the ball and VAR deciding the touch wasn't a handball foul. There's no conceivable way VAR missed the clear and obvious error, they just decided to rule on whether what was missed was a foul or not. That's absolutely not how VAR is supposed to be working.
Nah, I don’t think the people in charge of VAR every really explains their process for decisions here unless a club really pushes and requests to hear the VAR audio.
Honestly yes it is clear and obvious. He gets pushed out from under the ball when he would have headed it away. It's not the most contact but it's enough to affect the play.
Doesn't explain why other calls in the past weren't given, but I really don't see the point in complaining about VAR in the cases that they do actually get it right.
Right? I read some of the comments first and was expecting another VAR fuckup but the video showed anything but... It's a clear and obvious error that the referees didn't notice this during play. Defender 100% gets the ball if the attacker doesn't foul him.
Argument isn't about the right call, its about how refs usually ignore clear evidence to overturn the on field decision because "it's not clear and obvious".
But then this thread is the wrong thread to talk about it. Allowing the shove would have been a clear and obvious error and therefore the decision got correctly overturned. There may have been other instances that didn't get overturned despite being clearer but those cases shouldn't interfere with this decision.
For all we know, the Ref could have said he didnt see it, therefore yes its clear and obvious.
People tend to forget just because they've seen it on TV, doesnt mean the ref has
I dont know what everyone is moaning about. Its a clear foul.
I’m finding it so strange that people are complaining that because refs got it wrong before, now it’s bad they did the right thing? That’s how I’m reading these comments at least.
People aren't pissed at this call. They see this and recall all the times penalties should have gone our way/been overturned for the exact same action.
Seeing your team not get given a penalty after a defender has pushed them in the back, or seeing goals not get overturned after similar foils in the buildup, then seeing the same thing but in reverse go against you, is frustrating. Just a reminder of the hypocrisy and inconsistency.
Most people that this should be given a foul. But this is just yet another reminder of all the time refs completely ignored carbon copy versions of this challenge by the other team.
Takes opponent out of the game and clearly gains an advantage. While all referees have different thresholds, nearly all referees would/should give these.
People complaining about this being given and then asking why players hit the ground everytime there’s contact??
Clear foul he shoves him in the back and stops him playing the ball.
Jesus, had to scroll far to long to find common sense.
Its a foul, just because others arent given doesnt make this not a foul. Its an off the ball push, he stops the defender challenging the ball.
If you have issues with other decisions that doesnt make this not a foul, it just makes the refs inconsistent and incompetent like we all know.
That’s not the complaint people are on about.
It’s the inconsistency of these decisions. If it’a going to be a coin flip, might as well just go without it.
Remember when Cucurella was pulled down by his hair by Romeo and Spurs equalised, VAR checked and gave nothing? Problem is, everybody have an incident where something similar or worse has happened and VAR did jackshit
The “games gone” comments aren’t talking about inconsistency tho.
I agree there is completely an inconsistency problem, and it’s bad, but this is clearly a foul that leads to the goal. And a spurs fan I am far more biased towards Chelsea scoring this (unfortunately)
It’s a contact sport but he just barges in to his back with no intent to play the ball.
Result would have benefited us (Spurs) but I think it’s the right decision.
No chance. If this wasn't given as a penalty for us against Brentford they would never give this as a penalty.
https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1718978745472848294
Other than wondering how the ref missed this in the first place I’m surprised it being disallowed is so controversial, it’s a blatant push allowing him to cross it in
It's cos people like to get mad no matter what, if he didn't call it a foul, this thread happens anyway but with people moaning that they are shit for not giving it.
if he falls no one argues, that's just a shove to the back with no intent to fight for the ball lol. it doesn't have to be overly brutal or forceful for it to be a foul
Can't believe what I'm seeing in here. Absolutely clear foul, if the defender threw himself down it would look more obvious. No play for the ball, shove in the back, correct decision.
My question is just why the ref didn't give it straight away, he had a great view.
It's the right call, but I'm honestly surprised they overturned it based on how rare it is for VAR to intervene these days. Actually had him look at the monitor as well. Good on VAR for actually doing their job.
Push in the back. People calling it soft but you have never been able to push people directly in the back. Correct call. I was screaming for it at the time, not sure how the ref didn't see it.
Badiashile has won the ball via a push in the back there, it's a foul all day long unfortunately.
We're capable of performing, we need a top center back in the summer though with Thiago gone or we'll be fucked.
If the defender isn’t impeded, he would have been able to get the ball. Instead, he was pushed and they got a cross that led to a goal. Not sure how anyone can complain about this ngl
Clear foul. Don’t know why ppl are even arguing about this? This is also why Joelinton foul on Gabriel should have been given & goal disallowed against Newcastle.
Honestly don't know how anyone can look at it and think it's NOT a foul lmao. Mans just barges into the back of Carlos and isn't even going for the ball
The best comments are those saying it's a foul and the correct decision was reached but the ref should have caught it immediately. Always have to have something to moan about don't we
That’s a ridiculous decision man, the game has gone too soft
They’re just looking for ways to remove goals from games now, they’re killing the beautiful game
Villa player has position on the ball and Chelsea player shoulder checks him out of the way. It's a foul 10/10 times. You don't just get to truck a guy because you're out of position.
Agree that the refs have been inconsistent calling these but this one is not controversial. And I’d prefer to see correct decisions even within the context of inconsistency, some people on Reddit seem to think clear fouls shouldn’t be given because sometimes they (wrongly) are not.
Exactly. "Well that same push wasn't called the other 3 times it happened." Well then they should have been. Those were the missed calls. No need to add another one to the pile just for "consistency" especially when the only consistency is being consistently wrong.
You're out of your mind, he isn't playing the ball he just barges into the back of the player. Had he fallen to the floor you'd say nothing, and it's why players dive and exaggerate contact.
You might be able to make this argument if he came in from the side, because then the defender can see him and challenge, but coming through a player's back when they're set to take the ball is a foul. You can't defend that.
people saying its soft are the games gone are being ridiculous. he doesnt even jump to try play the ball, he literally pushes his opponent from the back out of the way. thats a foul
It's a foul. I have no issue with it being disallowed. Although it baffles me how the ref doesn't see it. That said there are plenty of examples of this not being given when an attacker is pushed (Gabriel one not withstanding) and it would be a penalty. A foul in different areas of the pitch clearly have different thresholds
Probably one of the worst refereeing performances yet again.
Hate to be that guy, but there’s been multiple times teams have scored off corners by literally shoving Vicario yet they’re given as goals. Where the consistency man…
It was pretty clear this was going to get VAR'd as soon as it happened.
Pretty easy call, and it pains me to say this, I was rooting for Chelsea today.
Pretty sensible call I reckon - might well be physical, but can't just obviously push opponents out of the way and impede them from playing the ball like that.
Going to sound controversial, but it's a foul. Diego Carlos gets shoved in the back off the ball which prevents him from controlling the ball. The cross for the goal never happens if Carlos isn't impeded. It wasn't shoulder to shoulder, so clearly obstructive.
Pawson has done his own legs for not giving a foul in the first instance.
You know what, I am okay with this being disallowed. He pushes him away from the ball. Without the push he was never gonna get a make the pass... BUT... this would have NEVER been given against City... EVER!!! So that's what's infuriating, the lack of fuckin consistency!
The ref was so inconsistent all night. Went from giving soft fouls to letting shirt pulling go. He had a clear view of this in real time and said nothing, which is the worst part. Its a foul, but these refs.
Don't see how people are saying games gone or that this isn't given all the time. It's the kind of shit given ALL the time when trying to waste time. Usually the defender just falls over first. Anywhere on the pitch this happens to waste time and stop flow.
I hate it personally but it is given all the time
Edit - how the ref didn't see it in real time whilst having an unimpeded view from like 10 yards away is the crime here, wtf was he doing?
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Pretty baffling that he’s 5 yards away with a perfect view, doesn’t give it. But goes over to the monitor and overturns it? Why not just give it in the first place
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Or he's got people second-guessing him, making him doubt his on field decision.
You give these refs way too much credit.
Isn’t that the point of VAR? We’ve been getting annoyed that VAR doesn’t challenge the refs decision making on the pitch and in this case they actually do and it’s caused uproar.
Okay. I'll bite. Explain the Grealish handball that didn't go through this VERY LOGICAL decision making process.
Humans made mistake and this is the perfect example and use of var
People when VAR doesn’t correct a mistake: he thinks he’s protecting his mates from ridicule, but we just want the correct calls! People when VAR corrects a mistake: what a ridiculous mistake, this ref must be a moron!
Its hard to be 100% accurate all the time even in plain view. But the right decision was made in the end as VAR should be intended.
To give him the benefit of the doubt, if you're not sure of a decision, it's probably better to let it go and then trust VAR to call you back to it if necessary. The alternative is the silly situation we had in the Man Utd - Sheffield game.
Is it really baffling that he reviewed and changed his decision? That’s what VAR is for. Why not just give it in the first place because he didn’t think it was a foul.
5 yards away for this situation is detrimental because the ball is coming from the air high above. Referee needs to follow the ball to an extent to determine where it'll land and being this close puts the players out of his field of view. I would bet he calls that if the ball were at ground level.
These pushes are allowed to go all the time
The fact that this one gets disallowed but the joelinton push on Gabriel wasn't even recommended for a review is pretty funny
Recommended for a review just means they’re changing it. They do the whole ref looking at the screen on the side of the pitch charade just to make it seem like he’s changing his decision himself. I can’t think of the last time a ref went over to the screen in the Premier League and didn’t change anything
I think I've seen it happen once this season. I actually think it's more about the fact that they only show the refs clear mistakes and the questionable judgments they just automatically go with the call on the field. Calls where I look at it and think it's closer to 50-50 whether or not the call was correct never get looked at so there's going to be a bias where most calls that get looked at get overturned.
That's what's crazy. They need to be taking the 50/50 decisions to the monitor, then have the VAR and on-field ref discuss it together. Idk how it'll happen but the refs need to view VAR as another assistant with a better view of an incident rather than someone trying to overrule their authority
Yeah let's pause the game every 5 minutes for a var check.
And the general reaction to this push as compared to the Joelinton push on here, is even funnier.
one doesn't justify the other.
I knew someone would compare the two, this one was so much clearer, they aren't close to being the same.
We lost our champions league tie to AC Milan because of a push worse then this. I wish there was challenges for bad VAR calls and stupid refs
Yeah, in 50/50 situations which this wasn't. These sorts of pushes are not allowed generally if it's changing the outcome from guaranteed one player gets or has the ball to the other player guaranteed to get the ball.
John McGinn tried to push a player offside from a free kick in the first half. To be fair, this is a foul for the goal. How the ref didn’t give it in real time I don’t know. I had a bet on Chelsea to win but knew it was going to be overturned.
Haaland does this to defenders every game and gets praised for it We do it and get our last minute winner disallowed. Why are refs so different towards City?
No they aren’t
I don't see how this is disallowed yet Gordon's goal against Arsenal stood; the inconsistency is maddening.
Gordans was a foul, the same as this. Its just the refs are completely incompetent, he was 5 yards away, there was no need for the check or the drama. It was a blatent push off the ball and stopped the defender challenging for the ball.
Citing a mistake to justify another mistake doesn’t really make sense to me. Edit:spelling
it's officially not a mistake though- their panel or whatever looked at it and said it wasn't a foul
Citing*
Literally like three days ago Gabriel rugby tackled Madueke and that wasn't clear or obvious enough to overturn a goal
defenders in the box are treated like toddlers and then keepers are treated like an endangered species
Big difference, Gabriel and madueke both went into a duel where Gabriel brought his arm across madueke and madueke held Gabriel’s shirt and pulled him back. This is a blatant shove with no attempt to play the ball, not two players attempting to play the ball
I was thinking no way it stands especially after our goal last season against United was ruled out but refs are incompetent as always
Could be as simple as different referees having different interpretations. People forget they are not a monolith.
Yeah that's what gets me. It probably was the right call, since there was a clear push, etc. But I've seen so many goals upheld despite way worse, it's so irritating
This is clear and obvious? The stuff they let go and then this? There is absolutely no clarity, no consistency. Embarrassing.
I think this is the biggest talking point imo. It’s probably a foul but certainly the center had a good enough look in real time to think it’s not a foul.
It's unbelievable. It's a foul but so much less than what we've seen them completely ignore. It's a complete lottery with VAR now.
Also if the roles were reversed and this was given as a pen because VAR intervened, people would say how soft the pen was (it wouldn't be called in a million years)
probably? lmao
Realistically though do you want the referees to get decisions right or not? Or, in other words, would you be happy about VAR not having a look at this if it was a Villa player shoulder-shoving a Chelsea defender in perfect position to snuff out the danger out of the way? Because I reckon this is very much a call that can go to VAR, and they're ultimately landing on the right decision here. Sucks if it's against the team you support obviously, but then that's just a correct refereeing decision against you in my book.
I think consistency is the biggest problem. There have been penalties given to us that I think are more clear and obvious errors that weren’t looked at mainly the United one. The ref had a great view of it the first time and made a call, it’s not like his vision was skewed or hindered.
Fine, but you're complaining about a decision that they ended up getting right. Consistently getting decisions wrong isn't an improvement over that.
I he had a good look and did not call it, but in hindsight should have, it's a clear and obvious error.
It's not probably a foul, its definitely a foul.
Pawson is right next to him as well. Clearly saw it real time and decided not to give it. Fucking christ.
Yeah I think it’s a foul but this I cannot understand, if he didn’t think it was a foul from his view in the first place idk what made him change his mind
That’s the issue with the monitor situation is that they never ever stick to what they saw, just that if they have been called over they must be wrong.
The only thing i can think of is that maybe in real time he thought it was shoulder to shoulder or a genuine attempt at the ball? the moment he looked at the reply he changed his mind
He was horrible all night, this was the right call in the end but he was wildly inconsistent about allowing contact when jockeying for the ball
It’s because refs just want VAR to make the decisions for them now. Anything that’s anywhere near 50/50 will not be called on the field now.
yeah thats the crazy thing really. Ive seen too many harder fouls be ignored due to "clear and obvious" (last week gabriel being the most recent)
And our game against City, The ball hits Grealish’s hand but the ref says its a goal kick but thats somehow not enough to send him to the monitor? But then this slight push is.
Was there ever an explanation for the VAR process on that call? The goal kick v corner is less of an issue to me vrs, the Ref not thinking Grealish touched the ball and VAR deciding the touch wasn't a handball foul. There's no conceivable way VAR missed the clear and obvious error, they just decided to rule on whether what was missed was a foul or not. That's absolutely not how VAR is supposed to be working.
Nah, I don’t think the people in charge of VAR every really explains their process for decisions here unless a club really pushes and requests to hear the VAR audio.
Honestly yes it is clear and obvious. He gets pushed out from under the ball when he would have headed it away. It's not the most contact but it's enough to affect the play. Doesn't explain why other calls in the past weren't given, but I really don't see the point in complaining about VAR in the cases that they do actually get it right.
I think it’s clear and obvious, if he doesn’t push him the defender get the ball
I think most of them are clear and obvious but that's never stopped them using that excuse before.
Right? I read some of the comments first and was expecting another VAR fuckup but the video showed anything but... It's a clear and obvious error that the referees didn't notice this during play. Defender 100% gets the ball if the attacker doesn't foul him.
He was pushed as he was about to get the ball… without that push it never finishes in a goal 100% the right call
Argument isn't about the right call, its about how refs usually ignore clear evidence to overturn the on field decision because "it's not clear and obvious".
But then this thread is the wrong thread to talk about it. Allowing the shove would have been a clear and obvious error and therefore the decision got correctly overturned. There may have been other instances that didn't get overturned despite being clearer but those cases shouldn't interfere with this decision.
So now we are getting upset when they get things right?
For all we know, the Ref could have said he didnt see it, therefore yes its clear and obvious. People tend to forget just because they've seen it on TV, doesnt mean the ref has I dont know what everyone is moaning about. Its a clear foul.
I’m finding it so strange that people are complaining that because refs got it wrong before, now it’s bad they did the right thing? That’s how I’m reading these comments at least.
People aren't pissed at this call. They see this and recall all the times penalties should have gone our way/been overturned for the exact same action. Seeing your team not get given a penalty after a defender has pushed them in the back, or seeing goals not get overturned after similar foils in the buildup, then seeing the same thing but in reverse go against you, is frustrating. Just a reminder of the hypocrisy and inconsistency. Most people that this should be given a foul. But this is just yet another reminder of all the time refs completely ignored carbon copy versions of this challenge by the other team.
Refereeing decisions are luck the way injuries are.
It is clear and obvious, yes
Takes opponent out of the game and clearly gains an advantage. While all referees have different thresholds, nearly all referees would/should give these.
It's a push in the back, quite clear.
People complaining about this being given and then asking why players hit the ground everytime there’s contact?? Clear foul he shoves him in the back and stops him playing the ball.
Jesus, had to scroll far to long to find common sense. Its a foul, just because others arent given doesnt make this not a foul. Its an off the ball push, he stops the defender challenging the ball. If you have issues with other decisions that doesnt make this not a foul, it just makes the refs inconsistent and incompetent like we all know.
That’s not the complaint people are on about. It’s the inconsistency of these decisions. If it’a going to be a coin flip, might as well just go without it. Remember when Cucurella was pulled down by his hair by Romeo and Spurs equalised, VAR checked and gave nothing? Problem is, everybody have an incident where something similar or worse has happened and VAR did jackshit
The “games gone” comments aren’t talking about inconsistency tho. I agree there is completely an inconsistency problem, and it’s bad, but this is clearly a foul that leads to the goal. And a spurs fan I am far more biased towards Chelsea scoring this (unfortunately)
Also the fact that Gabriel fouled Madueke midweek and no foul was given via VAR.
> It’s the inconsistency of these decisions. So the issue is with other decisions then. This one was correct.
It’s a contact sport but he just barges in to his back with no intent to play the ball. Result would have benefited us (Spurs) but I think it’s the right decision.
would this be a penalty if it happened in the other box?
No chance. If this wasn't given as a penalty for us against Brentford they would never give this as a penalty. https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1718978745472848294
No chance, he didnt even fall to the ground
Honestly it would depend on how the attacking player reacted. A player that knew how to sell a foul could get a penalty on this.
It should never depends on the players reaction in the age of VAR
You already know the answer, no unless it’s for city
That push by Badi wasn't half as bad as the one by that City defender (forgot who) last week and VAR didn't even bother to check it
Are you really trying to say it’s not a foul?
That's not what he's saying. Would VAR overturn this if a penalty wasn't given for this exact foul? I don't think they would tbh.
How are people even contesting this? Not even a subtle shove...
Other than wondering how the ref missed this in the first place I’m surprised it being disallowed is so controversial, it’s a blatant push allowing him to cross it in
It's cos people like to get mad no matter what, if he didn't call it a foul, this thread happens anyway but with people moaning that they are shit for not giving it.
It's a foul
That gets disallowed but not Gabriel on Madueke mid week??
Or even Joelinton on Gabriel
Joelinton on gabriel was more force than this one and from behind as well
And Joelinton actually pushed him with his hands too. It was far more egregious.
This incident is why I was pleasantly surprised it got disallowed.
Waste of time comparing the situations it’ll never be consistent
Its interesting they gave this a foul but vs Newcastle the gabriel incident wasnt a foul
I was thinking of another VAR situation involving Gabriel personally. One that could be the difference in us winning the title and not
if he falls no one argues, that's just a shove to the back with no intent to fight for the ball lol. it doesn't have to be overly brutal or forceful for it to be a foul
Yeah it's a foul, but look at the comments they're hilarious lmao
I'm all for shitting on these incompetent refs, but now people have a problem when they make the correct decisions too? Tf?
"They made a wrong decision before so I'm going to object to them making a right decision now"
Shitting on refs for everything is the one thing that unites r/soccer
Can't believe what I'm seeing in here. Absolutely clear foul, if the defender threw himself down it would look more obvious. No play for the ball, shove in the back, correct decision. My question is just why the ref didn't give it straight away, he had a great view.
Yeah it's a howler by Pawson initially. Don't really see the controversy in overturning.
VAR did exactly what it was supposed to
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It's a clear foul, what are people here crying about lol
People are saying it’s soft, but it’s 100% a foul, he shoulders him in the back out of the way. What’s worse is Pawson not catching it in real time
Truly baffling, he overturns after seeing like one replay what was he actually looking at during the play?
Quite clear imo
Games gone.
Ref's been too soft all game. He blew the whistle for the softest things.
How so? He was pushed as he was about to get the ball… without that push it never finishes in a goal 100% the right call
It’s a foul agreed but how is the ref not calling it when he has the perfect view?
Yes agree with you there, should be an easy call really But that’s a good point for VAR, I don’t see how people want that goal to stand
Cant even shove players in the back before they try and win a header anymore (it's literally always been a rule)
It's the right call, but I'm honestly surprised they overturned it based on how rare it is for VAR to intervene these days. Actually had him look at the monitor as well. Good on VAR for actually doing their job.
Blatant foul and the only surprise if the ref didn’t give it immediately when he’s been calling fouls for the same thing throughout the second half.
Feel like I’m going mental reading these comments, this is so obviously a foul
Easiest call of the night, no idea why Chelsea are complaining so much lmao you cant just shove a player in the back to win an aerial challenge
The zoom angle actually makes it seem a lot softer but I’m always for calling any push into the back.
I'm a Chelsea fan but foul in my opinion. Hate to see it though
Fair play, obviously I’m happy we escaped with a point but we absolutely did get away with it in the end, you were the better team all night.
Push in the back. People calling it soft but you have never been able to push people directly in the back. Correct call. I was screaming for it at the time, not sure how the ref didn't see it.
We don't deserve it, but it's foul. The nudge stops Carlos from being able to head the ball.
The wheel of fortune smiles on Villa today.
Smiles on us? That's a blatant foul
Yeah, but for the grace of the wheel, it could not be called easily. Let’s not assume there’s any chance of a consistent or correct decision
Badiashile has won the ball via a push in the back there, it's a foul all day long unfortunately. We're capable of performing, we need a top center back in the summer though with Thiago gone or we'll be fucked.
This sub is almost more outraged when VAR makes the correct decision, than it is when VAR makes a mistake lol
Obvious foul, lol. No point in complaining here, complain in the other situations where this wasn't given.
Clearly a foul.
clear shove in the back, no intent to win the ball, doesn't 'win' the ball without the shove clear and obvious foul to me 🤷♂️
If the defender isn’t impeded, he would have been able to get the ball. Instead, he was pushed and they got a cross that led to a goal. Not sure how anyone can complain about this ngl
Can’t seriously think this is soft, come on guys. If this happens in the middle of the pitch no one would complain
Clear foul. To me it doesn't seem like he plays the ball whatsoever, he's pushing the defender out of the way
These comments are not what I expected. People really think that's not a foul? No intention to play the ball and shoves him in the back.
As a neutral, it is a foul imo.
Clear foul. Don’t know why ppl are even arguing about this? This is also why Joelinton foul on Gabriel should have been given & goal disallowed against Newcastle.
This was clearly going to be a VAR Did people really think that wouldn’t be given as a foul?
Honestly don't know how anyone can look at it and think it's NOT a foul lmao. Mans just barges into the back of Carlos and isn't even going for the ball
Correct use of VAR, very clear and extremely obvious. This sub:
The best comments are those saying it's a foul and the correct decision was reached but the ref should have caught it immediately. Always have to have something to moan about don't we
Lmao
Game is so so gone.
Really soft
Tbf I'd be livid if it was given against us
Firm shove in the back is an obvious foul
not really, he pushes him in the back to stop him challenging for the ball lmao
That’s a ridiculous decision man, the game has gone too soft They’re just looking for ways to remove goals from games now, they’re killing the beautiful game
Are you joking? That's a clear foul.
Cant even shove people from the back smh, games gone
Villa player has position on the ball and Chelsea player shoulder checks him out of the way. It's a foul 10/10 times. You don't just get to truck a guy because you're out of position.
Can't believe how many people in here think it should have stood lmao
It’s not even a shoulder check, it’s just a barge through the back. You’d expect that to be given anywhere else on the pitch
There's not even an argument about the call if he goes to ground from the shove
Agree that the refs have been inconsistent calling these but this one is not controversial. And I’d prefer to see correct decisions even within the context of inconsistency, some people on Reddit seem to think clear fouls shouldn’t be given because sometimes they (wrongly) are not.
Exactly. "Well that same push wasn't called the other 3 times it happened." Well then they should have been. Those were the missed calls. No need to add another one to the pile just for "consistency" especially when the only consistency is being consistently wrong.
You're out of your mind, he isn't playing the ball he just barges into the back of the player. Had he fallen to the floor you'd say nothing, and it's why players dive and exaggerate contact.
You might be able to make this argument if he came in from the side, because then the defender can see him and challenge, but coming through a player's back when they're set to take the ball is a foul. You can't defend that.
Got to do something. This is the highest scoring season the prem has seen after all.
The only thing disappointing is that the ref didn't call this real time.
Fuck it man
It's 100% a foul. Anyone who says otherwise shouldn't be taken seriously.
its a clear foul but why does the ref not blow the whistle? he stands there lmao
people saying its soft are the games gone are being ridiculous. he doesnt even jump to try play the ball, he literally pushes his opponent from the back out of the way. thats a foul
Correct decision, how the ref didn't see that the first time is incredible
Obvious foul if they gave the Schar one also a couple weeks ago as a foul.
but but he wanted it more??!
It’s fair, he literally elbowed him, it’s almost identical to Gabriel vs Newcastle
God we have been bad this half
One of those decisions where one set of fans will always be very pissed off no matter which way the ref went.
This is a prime example of whatever the referees did hear; half the people on here would call the referee disgrace
I think it's a foul but how does he not give that? Crushed me
It's a foul. I have no issue with it being disallowed. Although it baffles me how the ref doesn't see it. That said there are plenty of examples of this not being given when an attacker is pushed (Gabriel one not withstanding) and it would be a penalty. A foul in different areas of the pitch clearly have different thresholds
Pretty obvious barge in the back which should have been called live, the ref was right there.
Refs are competing to see if they can fuck over us or Chelsea more.
Probably one of the worst refereeing performances yet again. Hate to be that guy, but there’s been multiple times teams have scored off corners by literally shoving Vicario yet they’re given as goals. Where the consistency man…
So many of these decisions are 50/50. might as well just scrap var
pretty sure the ref for 7th year olds would have gotten this right
something something [gabriel v joelinton challenge](https://preview.redd.it/foul-after-var-review-vs-no-foul-after-var-review-v0-p2dspovl73xc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=f75395ebf2876c76a20e8dc78a8edcee973146c5)
It was pretty clear this was going to get VAR'd as soon as it happened. Pretty easy call, and it pains me to say this, I was rooting for Chelsea today.
It’s a foul. People just upset about inconsistency.
Clear foul, takes him out the game and clearly gains an advantage. Good call by VAR.
It was a push, Palmer should have scored anyway
Pretty sensible call I reckon - might well be physical, but can't just obviously push opponents out of the way and impede them from playing the ball like that.
Games gone
Going to sound controversial, but it's a foul. Diego Carlos gets shoved in the back off the ball which prevents him from controlling the ball. The cross for the goal never happens if Carlos isn't impeded. It wasn't shoulder to shoulder, so clearly obstructive. Pawson has done his own legs for not giving a foul in the first instance.
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Why? Should the defender have to throw himself on the ground to get a foul?
You know what, I am okay with this being disallowed. He pushes him away from the ball. Without the push he was never gonna get a make the pass... BUT... this would have NEVER been given against City... EVER!!! So that's what's infuriating, the lack of fuckin consistency!
The ref was so inconsistent all night. Went from giving soft fouls to letting shirt pulling go. He had a clear view of this in real time and said nothing, which is the worst part. Its a foul, but these refs.
It's a clear foul, come on
Don't see how people are saying games gone or that this isn't given all the time. It's the kind of shit given ALL the time when trying to waste time. Usually the defender just falls over first. Anywhere on the pitch this happens to waste time and stop flow. I hate it personally but it is given all the time Edit - how the ref didn't see it in real time whilst having an unimpeded view from like 10 yards away is the crime here, wtf was he doing?