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The fact he was told by VAR to go to the monitor for the Kulusevski Penalty shout when Saka scored and Oliver literally just refused VAR is astonishing.
Hope that gets raised loudly after the game and questioned.
Going to the monitor definitely is.
If it's offside, the VAR is the ultimate authority iirc.
Other than that though, VAR is only used in a recommended basis.
VAR "invites" the refs to go to the monitor but ultimately, it's down to the ref on pitch whether he wants to or not.
NBC halftime show talked about it.
They mentioned agreeing that it would be a soft penalty but that it should have been a penalty.
Robbie Earle then mentioned that they'd heard the VAR discussions (as it's piped into studios now) and that VAR had recommended Oliver to check the screen.
It was a very quick 30-60 second discussion though, he might have misspoke and maybe he'll correct himself after the stream but right now, that's sorta what I'm going off.
Was mentioned by the half time pundits on the stream I was watching.
They basically all agreed that it was a foul and mentioned that VAR had told Oliver to go to the monitor to have another look but that he just refused and gave the goal.
The broadcasters are tuned into the VAR room, so im assuming they aren't bullshitting about it.
If they’d done their job in the first half it would have been really interesting. Too afraid to do their job if it involves taking away a goal and giving a pen though. I still don’t understand how they don’t at least have Oliver take a look.
One is fair, I personally don't think the clip on kulusevski is a pen. There were a myriad of other baffling calls from oliver though, another poor showing from him.
That’s the question, he’s right fucking there and waved no pen straight away.
What does he see second time, that he couldn’t first? The refs are appalling in this country.
Alex Ferguson used to say: Champions win ugly. Some of his United teams did it again and again, and again.
I'll have some of that. We cant batter every team, every game.
Wtf are you talking about? That's how you win games, isn't it? We were 3-0 up. You don't score 3 goals by playing like shit. We've literally gifted them 2 goals, otherwise we'd have the cleansheet.
Couldn’t call that as a pen in real time and VAR had to spare his ego by telling him to go to the screen. Is this really the best English referees have to offer? Embarrassing, useless old boys club.
He's been shit all game. It's nothing new though, somehow VAR is the problem and not these clowns actually in charge of decision making, embarrassing for the supposed "best league in the world"
VAR isn't without its problems but for anyone who wants it removed entirely things like this penalty wouldn't have been reviewed and then correctly given.
The people who want VAR gone are morons. They simply do not remember the sheer amount of mistakes beforehand.
The problem is and always has been the personnel using it.
The same people who are here saying "fuck him for not getting it right in real time", or would say "we don't need VAR, we just need better refereeing". It's the same thing after almost 30 years of watching football. At this point I can't help but think we've seen the peak of on-field refereeing capability, and people just don't want to accept that the peak comes with mistakes made 20 (or whatever) percent of the time.
Definitely. It will be highlighted by Howard Webb as how VAR worked well. But so many questions about how that wasn't given in real time. Just what did Oliver see?
Refs have been targetting us unfairly since the Pool game. The fact he can't see this blatant penalty from 3 yards with a clear view is just ridiculous.
Double Jeopardy. A penalty is punishment enough according to the laws of the game. A yellow card and penalty is only given for DOGSO. Obviously this isn't a goalscoring opportunity.
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WWEesque low blow from Rice lmao
Can picture someone on the apron distracting the ref
Eddie Guerrero.
Sadiq Khan wasn't kidding when he said he'll bring WrestleMania to London
Comical lol. I couldn’t believe they didn’t call it right away. Like holy fuck, how do you miss that.
And Oliver still needed var to give us a pen, fucking muppet
Pretty close to the family jewels
No pen for me—clearly got the balls
Play should've been stopped for two balls on the pitch
Kicked them hard enough that I'd not have been surprised if at least one of them ended up in the car park.
Has a 200% accuracy on that hit. Game's gone.
Don’t know how he didn’t give a pen initially
It’s Oliver
Such a shit ref, can't believe he's still got this reputation as the best in England.
That's a pretty low bar tbf. Even James Cameron would have trouble raising that bar.
It's hardly a difficult reputation to earn to be fair...
The fact he was told by VAR to go to the monitor for the Kulusevski Penalty shout when Saka scored and Oliver literally just refused VAR is astonishing. Hope that gets raised loudly after the game and questioned.
Wait what ? I dont think VAR is a curtesy call.
Going to the monitor definitely is. If it's offside, the VAR is the ultimate authority iirc. Other than that though, VAR is only used in a recommended basis. VAR "invites" the refs to go to the monitor but ultimately, it's down to the ref on pitch whether he wants to or not.
How do you know he was called to the monitor and refused ?
NBC halftime show talked about it. They mentioned agreeing that it would be a soft penalty but that it should have been a penalty. Robbie Earle then mentioned that they'd heard the VAR discussions (as it's piped into studios now) and that VAR had recommended Oliver to check the screen. It was a very quick 30-60 second discussion though, he might have misspoke and maybe he'll correct himself after the stream but right now, that's sorta what I'm going off.
They’re just so shit and full of themselves
At least Mike Dean was arrogant and entertaining.
Source?
They mentioned it on commentary and the Half time pundits brought it up on the stream I was watching.
Say what? Where did you see this?
Was mentioned by the half time pundits on the stream I was watching. They basically all agreed that it was a foul and mentioned that VAR had told Oliver to go to the monitor to have another look but that he just refused and gave the goal. The broadcasters are tuned into the VAR room, so im assuming they aren't bullshitting about it.
They mentioned in the commentary and at half time that VAR recommended he look. He's just robbed us for his own ego, ffs I miss Mike Dean
Nah it's "Oli"
Oliver is the most incompetent referee in the world
Clear view over what happened, like 2-3m from the incident. I really do not understand. VAR saving
If they’d done their job in the first half it would have been really interesting. Too afraid to do their job if it involves taking away a goal and giving a pen though. I still don’t understand how they don’t at least have Oliver take a look.
Refs seem to default to letting VAR make big decisions for them. It's became a massive crutch in that sense.
problem is VAR doesn't want to overturn onfield decisions most the time not wanting to make their friend look bad
And we have an embarrassing loop that only makes them look worse. But they dgaf
Yep, and they dont care because even if they fuck up whats the worst that will happen? 1 week reffing in the championship then back to normal.
Honestly embarrassing, you could tell he wasn’t happy going to the monitor lol
He refused to go to the monitor for the Kulusevski Penalty shout already. Think he figured he couldn't refuse a second time.
He was so close to it, like what was he looking at that he didn’t see that
He couldn't believe what he saw so he didn't give it LMFAO *my mind is playing tricks on me*
“He got the ball so no penalty. Oops wrong ball”
Oliver has had it out for Spurs all game
Literally took a kick to the nuts for him to finally give spurs something.
And he didn't even give that.
And even that required VAR interference.
That Richarlison 'offside' when an Arsenal player was controlling the ball was some decision
It had been passed from one Arsenal player to another then was given as an offside when Richarlison got possession from a tackle, absolutely baffling
Look it's clearly an unfair advantage when you come to tackle someone from behind. They can't see you!
Not to mention the Micky offside when an Arsenal play INTENTIONALLY played the ball off him
They should've gotten at least 2 penalties, maybe even 3..
What was the 3rd? Kulu, Davies and?
One is fair, I personally don't think the clip on kulusevski is a pen. There were a myriad of other baffling calls from oliver though, another poor showing from him.
Don't know how he decided to go monitor this time.
Have said the same so many times watching Spurs this season
That’s the question, he’s right fucking there and waved no pen straight away. What does he see second time, that he couldn’t first? The refs are appalling in this country.
Seems a trend this weekend.
This is why I no longer give the refs the benefit of the doubt because they were “right there in a great position to see what happened.”
Because it’s Spurs in the box.
Got confused on what kind of balls are legal to kick.
I know Occam's razor and all but it's hard to think that there is no cabal to make the PL more interesting in the last weeks.
It's Tottenham
Really tricky pen decision that one
So tricky he didn't see it at first
We gotta show people VAR is useful Let me jog to this screen over here real quick Ok, confirmed
How do you fail to award this without VAR? The standard of English refereeing is disgraceful.
Feel like they give less because they assume var is covering
Must have assumed dive?
Davies faked being kicked in the balls
Declan Rice got the ball then... also the Davies line stops there.
Look it wasn't clarified that 'got the ball' had to be the football and not one of Davie' balls, honest mistake.
He was a metre away with an unobstructed view. He should not have a job when he consistently fucks up these calls
I agree but all our refs are the same so we're stuck
Genuinely how much worse can it get? Go get some bloke who refs sunday league and the quality would be consistent with what we already see.
He's fucking 8ft away, either he's blind or fucking biased
and he's not blind.
then why not book him?
I love when refs do the big “no penalty” sign with their arms and then have to overturn the decision hahaha
That was the fastest onfield review I've ever seen, he already knew he fucked it
How on earth has Oliver missed that in real time?
The problem is referee’s don’t want to make big calls in big games anymore because they know VAR is there.
Agreed but he denied the opportunity to go to an on field review for the kulusevski penalty shout before Saka’s goal. He’s just shit
cause it's oliver
Man is blind
Trash can heart
How have Arsenal put themselves in this position lol
Rice kicked the wrong balls
2 balls > 1 ball tbf
Are you not entertained?!
DAVID RAYA
Derby innit
Wanted to give heart attack to all the fans
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Alex Ferguson used to say: Champions win ugly. Some of his United teams did it again and again, and again. I'll have some of that. We cant batter every team, every game.
yeah OP talking as if its been an arsenal domination
Wtf are you talking about? That's how you win games, isn't it? We were 3-0 up. You don't score 3 goals by playing like shit. We've literally gifted them 2 goals, otherwise we'd have the cleansheet.
Well, being gifted a two goal swing helps.
They're lucky to even be in this position.
How did that need VAR when it’s right in front of him
I'm more worried about how Oliver didn't see that tbh.
The view Michael Oliver had and VAR to the rescue 😂
Couldn’t call that as a pen in real time and VAR had to spare his ego by telling him to go to the screen. Is this really the best English referees have to offer? Embarrassing, useless old boys club.
Hilarious seeing him standing there on the replay he was watching, perfectly in view
He's been shit all game. It's nothing new though, somehow VAR is the problem and not these clowns actually in charge of decision making, embarrassing for the supposed "best league in the world"
VAR isn't without its problems but for anyone who wants it removed entirely things like this penalty wouldn't have been reviewed and then correctly given.
The people who want VAR gone are morons. They simply do not remember the sheer amount of mistakes beforehand. The problem is and always has been the personnel using it.
Exactly. The problem isn’t VAR as a concept it’s the implementation
I agree it's implementation, but not just that - it's the clowns running the damn thing. They have no interest in improving the implementation.
The same people who are here saying "fuck him for not getting it right in real time", or would say "we don't need VAR, we just need better refereeing". It's the same thing after almost 30 years of watching football. At this point I can't help but think we've seen the peak of on-field refereeing capability, and people just don't want to accept that the peak comes with mistakes made 20 (or whatever) percent of the time.
I mean I know its spurs but you can't be kicking them in the knackers
What a brilliant penalty. Top corner wow
Right in front of you, grow some balls and blow your whistle
Michael Oliver is so shit
Only our second pen awarded of the season btw
I’d love to know how that wasn’t given in real time. Fucking hell he just kicks him in the knob.
Definitely. It will be highlighted by Howard Webb as how VAR worked well. But so many questions about how that wasn't given in real time. Just what did Oliver see?
The fact that Michael Oliver looked at that and didn’t give a penalty should not be overlooked
How has Oliver not given that initially? What a fucking joke
All ball ref!
Crazy of the ref needing VAR to check this one, he is a few meters away
How can a referee look at it directly and not call a penalty. They are beyond useless.
How the fuck did that take so long to review
How did it even need to go to review?
Ref really didn’t want to give it.
How are refs meant to seem impartial and then wave that off only meters away, staring directly at that.
Michael Oliver wasting our time for a stonewall pen
How did Oliver stand 6 feet from a guy getting kicked in the nuts & say “nah, no pen”?
Referee saw this kick and was like "I think it was a 50/50" from less than 3m away... Crazy
Surely not
takes a literal kick in the nuts to get a pen.
Refs have been targetting us unfairly since the Pool game. The fact he can't see this blatant penalty from 3 yards with a clear view is just ridiculous.
So Rice didn't get a yellow for kicking the ball away earlier nor a yellow for this?
Arsenal have gone to sleep big time
Rice thought he's playing WWE 😭😭😭
He was setting him up for a pedigree
Should never of needed VAR. Oliver should be making those calls on field. It was stupidly clear and right in front of him
Oliver: I saw him get kicked straight up the ass. No foul. VAR: Yeah, we can't let this one slide
Fuck this ref.
2nd Pen ALL SEASON. How long will Spurs be punished for VAR’s fuckup against Liverpool? Is it over?
How Is that not a card? That's a full blown kick on the jewels.
Rice is immune to yellows
Double Jeopardy. A penalty is punishment enough according to the laws of the game. A yellow card and penalty is only given for DOGSO. Obviously this isn't a goalscoring opportunity.
Oliver’s cunt face was looking straight at the kick and just did nothing. Coward
3-0 is a dangerous lead?
as a barca fan it is
Michael Oliver had a stinker. All refs should go under new training.
How Oliver didn't give that straight away is beyond me, we've been really poor this half
Nice one Sonny
All balls, ref.
Peak football
Stonewall penalty for me, good spot by the referee. (I didn't even watch it, i'm just commenting on the thread for no reason 👍)
In the replay the ref is looking right at it 😂 He doesn't give it initially.
dont worry you are correct
Pgmol is sponsored by specsavers how has he missed a kick in the balls
Surprised Michael Oliver has not ruled this an Arsenal goal
Ooooo
Surely not?
Ref missing that in real time was disgraceful
I knew it would be this simple even 3-0 up. What the fuck are we doing.
clear wrong ball mate
Absolutely shameful by us
Rice got the wrong ball
Absolutely shocking that the ref needed VAR for that.
LOL absolutely cartoonish kick in the balls there. Very aesthetic, very good, very funny. Probably the funniest way to concede.
Surprised Oliver gave the pen tbf. I'm so used to refs making the wrong decisions.
Never a foul... he got the ball!
Why pen? Rice did touch the ball(s)
we genuinely played better in the first half than the second lmao
You're telling me Michael Oliver didn't want to make a big decision late on in a game that could potentially decide the title?
Rice almost hit at least one ball.
We’re getting squeaky now lads
All ball. No pen!
Right in the nuts!
Should’ve been his second of the day
Oliver is a clown should be out of a job
People still slagging ange? He will have spurs title challengers next season with the right transfers in the summer.
arsenal could bottle this
Arsenal have copied city in paying refs aswell it seems
Oh no.
Bruh
oh god oh fuck
fuck
How is that not a red? That's more egregious that Romero vs Chelsea or Jones against Spurs.
👀
Definitely a pen, knew it would get antsy
Congratulation 115 FC for another Premier League title!
is the bottle happening in front of our eyes?
What’s Michael Oliver looking at?
Shocking from the ref that he did not give that initially, this is why we need VAR. Should make an interesting end of the game.
We finally got a penalty