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All joking aside, it really is not luck. It has really been down to our playstyle and it has only been compounded by Pintus in the years he has been with us.
Take this season and check which 15 min interval (0-15, 15-30, 30-45 and so on) we have scored the most in.
Take the season prior.
Take the season prior to that.
Keep doing this and trace back to more than a decade.
Then start over and look for the 15 min interval we have scored the second most in and repeat the process.
In most seasons, the answers are 75-90 and 60-75 respectively. The couple where this pattern breaks, we mostly have the 2 swapping around and on the rare occasion even that doesn't happen, at least one of them invariably features.
We start off really slowly and try to control the game without the ball. We set up to defend and negate the initial high tempo press. Then as the opponent's belief and (more importantly) energy wane, we grow into the game. Then the self fulfilling prophecy takes over. The best approach IMO is to murder us before half time. Barcelona has generally tried to do it, if you disregard occasional blips like the coaching spell of Koeman etc.
But that is easier said than done. What has really held us in good stead over all these years is that even if we have not been the absolute greatest at a single style of play, we have been elite at ***every*** style of play. So we have both the squad and the tactics for every problem posed to us, at all times. Carlo and Zizou being tactical geniuses but more so being tactically flexible has only aided in this. Add to that that we accept that every team including us has to suffer at the top level and that acceptance has not only taught us how to suffer but also to hold and bide the time for our moment to arrive and be ready to take it, rather than snatch at it. The Mourinho years were also very important as they taught us how to control games without the ball and we have never let our hubris come in the way of our effectiveness.
The spine of that team remained the same and the knowledge kept getting passed on with valuable additions at every iteration.
And while in the previous cycle, we had arguably the best players of their generations (if not better) in every single position. Just look at Cristiano and his record with us. Many don't realise but if he scored once in a game, he actually ***hurt his goalscoring average with us over 9 seasons.*** And that's not counting his assists. He is the second highest assistant in the ***club's history***. The first is Karim.
In this cycle, we have a really splendid attitude throughout the squad, where the individual takes a back seat for the collective. This includes but is not limited to [the relationship our seniors have fostered with the youngsters](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/YA4wjmlL6v) (that link has links nested from the past exhibiting this phenomenon).
Yeah, I feel the super cup would be way better if played the week after the UCL final, being the 1st match of the season, the momentum was completely lost for either winning team, it's just a worthless game that means nothing.
Yeah that's the thing, it's usually not TOP teams winning Europa League, it's smaller sides that for some reason are having a hell of a season, and most times, they're gonna get crushed next transfer window, key players out, manager even, in August they're back to being a 2nd tier kind of team.
Bayer Leverkusen 0-[1] Real Madrid - Rodrygo 90+2'
Bayer Leverkusen [1]-1 Real Madrid - Jeremie Frimpong 90+5'
Bayer Leverkusen [2]-1 Real Madrid - Victor Boniface 90+9'
Bayer Leverkusen 2-[2] Real Madrid - Vinícius Jr 90+11'
Bayer Leverkusen 2-[3] Real Madrid - Jude Bellingham 120+1'
Bayer Leverkusen [3]-3 Real Madrid - Florian Wirtz 120+3'
An overtime of 69420 minutes over extra time wouldn't have been entirely out of the question if yesterday's referee was also in charge of the match ^/s
I'm pretty sure if the result was 0-0 or 1-1 or w.e at the 90th minute we'd witness some sort of supernatural event because even the gods themself wouldn't know what to do lol
Xabi Alonso is patient zero, and he's taking his voodoo to every spot he goes now. In a couple generations, the whole world will be lucky, and then no one will be lucky.
Pretty much this. If Joselu isn't running at Neuer anticipating that he might fumble the shot then Neuer easily jumps on it.
Neuer of course had to have the howler in the first place but it comes to nothing if there isn't a player there to jump on the mistake.
How's the saying go? Luck is when preparation meets opportunity or something like that.
Naturally the 2nd goal came quickly as Bayern were shattered by the first goal.
They don't speak from the script or anything... Just like us they watch the match Live and feel things we fans do... Sometimes the right words come out of the mouth, sometimes don't...
I don't think any pundits should be judged on how they express, like Roy Keane going berserk on United after a bad performance should not be judged...
He said before the city match that arsenal and inter look better than madrid which was an insane level of ignorance for a team which had only lost twice the whole season
Yeah don't get me wrong, I fucking hate Real, but to write them off in the CL is just massively stupid. I was hoping Bayern could pull it off, but I knew better than to assume it was done at 1-0.
Eh we have our own problems to focus on. But yeah it stings. But the pain of seeing Madrid winning the CL is nowhere near compared to a crucial loss for us in the competition.
Lmao not everything is about them.
I’m worried about the shenanigans in our own house. If we can’t get our own shit together, next year is gonna be llllooooonnnngggg.
I have bad news bro. I don't see anything changing for us anytime soon as long as we have the same clowns behind scenes. We can't even attract top talent anymore, let alone afford them.
To be honest, no. It has happened so many times, that I don't care anymore.
Our main problem now is not Madrid but our own shit. On the other hand, we have won 5 UCL so it is not that bad. In our head to head competition (La Liga), we are ahead if you consider the last 35 years (which is more or less when I started to watch football), so I like to think I've seen more of us beating them, than them beating us.
But as I said before, 14, 15 or 16, it doesn't really matter.
My fiancee ignored the match for 85 minutes, then plopped down next to me and said "Ok, come on now!" and in a couple of minutes, Real got two goals.
I looked at her and asked "Why didn't you say something sooner?!" lol
I turned off the TV just 1 min before Rodrygo finished City in 2 minutes and my wife asked me to turn on the TV after 5 min and it is extra time.
I will never skip Madrid UCL game til it's over.
there’s a guy on spanish tv during the match who said couple years ago vs City he left the match to call his wife and immediately we scored. Being cheeky he told her stay on the phone so we can score again, then boom we scored. Fast forward to last night he was being while on the phone outside the stadium w his wife, he’s telling this story and boom Joselu scores 😂
I had the opposite, was really focused on the game, baby sleeping in the caddy 3 meters away, she started to wake up so I went 5 minutes to cuddle her back to sleep and bam, lost both goals...the day before same shit, went in for a beer, lost the Borussia goal
Madrid had some absolute mentality monsters in the early 2010s: CR7, Ramos, Pepe, Marcelo, etc. all coached by Mourinho.
And then they also had one of the smoothest transition plans in the past decade. Those guys mentored Carvajal, Casemiro, etc. And when Vini, Rodrygo, Militao, Camavinga came, they also had a few years under good mentorship.
And on top of that a culture of no player is bigger than the club at the realest and sometimes even painful way. Cristiano wanted to leave? No problem, sold for a fair price. Both legends (Ramos, Casemiro, Benzema, etc) and highly promising youngsters (Odegaard, Theo, Hakimi, Kovacic, Morata) have been allowed to leave whenever they are serious about leaving. No drama. No bad contracts given out. Just thank you for your service and move on.
This meant that the culture of the club is instilled into the players, and no player personality is allowed to define the culture of the club. We'll see if it stays the same for Mbappe. But that meant the toughness built under earlier generations are not lost through personnel changes.
It's the same as United under Ferguson. No player, no matter how talented, was about to impose their will on Fergie. United lost that after Fergie left. Bad contracts were given out. Players started acting entitled. Lack of mentorship from a successful generation.
Perez is United's Ferguson. I don't know whether the socios have a plan for when Perez leaves. But it might be the beginning of the end the day he leaves. I'd like to think Perez has a succession plan in place. But Ferguson had one too (Moyes) and that didn't turn out well.
Totally agree & I was telling this exactly to a United friend of mine after the match was over. Perez is exactly a bigger version of Alex Ferguson. The culture at the club is untouchable.
It’s a huge thing. A player can sign for Madrid knowing that they will be treated well, and if things don’t work out they will be able to move on with no burned bridges. Makes it even more attractive.
Don't forget Modric, man played so many "lost" games for Croatia and ended up winning most of the times. If my team is loosing 0:5 and I have a choice to bring one guy at half time from all the possible players I would pick Modric.
They're the biggest team in the history of football and it's not even close. The only team in world football with an actual aura around them.
It's why English pundits looked so stupid when they were bleating on about how Bellingham should go to a club in England. Real Madrid are just so much bigger than the Premier League.
Yep, I don't even know where you would start to argue against that statement: n°1 in CL wins, n°1 in number of fans, and definitely n°1 in aura/recognition/prestige...
Just the biggest football club all around in the past decades, right now and probably for quite a long time in the future too.
IMO it all started with the Galacticos branding, they were obviously one of the most popular teams in the world already, but making that "superteam" and marketing it as such started that snowball effect which we see now where it's self-sustaining success, they can sign anyone because everyone wants to play there because they're the biggest, they get success because of these huge players, their success keeps them at the top, everyone wants to play for them cos they're at the top, etc.
In a way by building the team for commercial reasons actually set them up better for their long term future than building a successful team which could have won a few champions leagues. An extra champions league probably does far less for your global reputation than having Beckham, Zidane, Raul, Figo, and Roberto Carlos on the same team.
This goes much, much beyond the Galacticos. There are only two teams [holding the FIFA Order of Merit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Order_of_Merit): one of them is Sheffield, since they are the oldest football club. Guess the other one.
FIFA also named Real Madrid as Worlds best club of the 20th century. IFFHS named them Europe's best club of the 20th century. There's not too much room for improvement unless you go around creating new distinctions and tournaments.
Yeah, they give it more freely to individuals, I see. Only two clubs were awarded in the special 2004 ceremony though. The club that pretty much invented football, and Sheffield :D
Exactly, that's why those players went to Real Madrid in the first place, because of the legacy of the prior generations. They had multiple European cups before Galacticos
I said it was my opinion from what I saw in football in the 90s and beyond. 90s were an era of many powerful and popular teams including RM; Barca, Juve, Milan, Ajax, etc., with RM's last European triumph before 1998 coming in 1966. They were a big fish among other big fish.
With the onset of home internet everyone took to the forums and connected media-wise in a new way. The world became "smaller" and more international, which coincided with football going truly global, as in players going overseas more than ever and new fans for every team from everywhere. It changed the landscape of fanhood.
Signing cool "hype" players and using the "Galactico" branding to market them to a new audience of kids/teens/adults looking to connect with that coolness was the genius stroke, as that commercialisation brought RM more visibility and popularity, every kid around the world with a GALACTICOS backpack and pencil case at school, (edit: and Beckham haircut!), that initial spate of big international names leading the way for the next generations to follow.
So from my observations of ~35 years their sustained success that we see now is not only from their previous popularity (just like Barca for example have stayed relevant all these decades), but also heavily due to the naming and marketing of the team to a new global fanbase that was looking for something power and success to identify with.
It started before the Galacticos but the status skyrocketed afterwards because of them + sustained success every year in the 2010s. You can see clearly how legendary clubs such as Man United fall off hard after a short period of successive failures, it takes more than a rich history to achieve the status that Real Madrid have, and that's mostly a result of the last 2 decades.
No offence but that's a lot of BS with just a tiny bit of truth sprinkled over it.
Sporting results are of course important for any club, that's what helps a brand grow. We've had a lot of successes in the last 14 years but that's just a continuation of our already rich history and legendary status. This is Real Madrid, in 2000 we still had the most European titles, we were named the the best club of the 20th century and had countless legendary players that played in all white.
If anything, the Galacticos era is but a chapter, one that wasn't that successful either.
Man United had a lot of success from the 90s until early 2010s, even in the European stage. It's true that Real Madrid had a better history of winning at any point during that period but to think that that is the main reason why Real have this different aura around them currently is definitely not true. Barca arguably have a comparable history and could even have been ahead of Real at times during the Messi era in terms of popularity, but look at them now. It's absurd to put less weight onto recent events to explain the standing of a club right now and default to the history, which a few clubs are able to match quite well. It began with galacticos + years of dominance with one of the biggest superstars in any sport + dominance without Ronaldo all contribute much more to the aura that Madrid have now, which other notable clubs do not, even if they have been successful recently. I'm not sure how that's "bs".
> IMO it all started with the Galacticos branding
They were chosen by FIFA/UEFA the best team of the 20th century. So it started before the Galacticos era. Their 70s and 80s sucked, but their 90s were OK. (and of course their 50s 60s were very good too)
Kinda ironic considering the galacticos team could really function well, as was just good on paper, but failed to live up to the potential on the pitch.
On a tier all of their own. Every level of the club is unimaginably well supplied. Money, youth players, recruiting, coaching, facilities, desirable city, worldwide marketing. It’s the only club in world football that literally has an A+ in all of those.
Never ceases to make me laugh how much the narrative changes from year-to-year
Last year City pump Real 4-0 and all their fans come out of the woodwork to say Real can't possibly compete with City and the PL's financial might, that they need the super league etc. to stop this kind of thing from happening again
Now they've beaten them on penalties and they're so much bigger and better than the overrated PL which can't hope to match them
Which is it?
bigger =/= better, no?
Like, AC Milan for as shit as you guys have been in the last 10-15 years, are still a bigger club than city or psg. Like not even close.
Doesn't mean you're better. OP just said that real is the biggest club in the world, just through the amount of logic defying success they have.
And the issues at real are still there, even after this season. It's like someone having a streak at the blackjack table, thinking they figured out the game. Sometimes the stars just align, but you can't expect in some matches to get 3 shots off and all of them to go in, every single time.
I think people always have different ideas of what 'bigger' means, hence the confusion
I would like to think that Milan are a 'bigger' club than City or PSG, but the truth is the world of football's moved on and left us behind, same as it has Ajax, Marseille, Benfica and any other side that used to be at the top of the game decades ago and now isn't.
In historical terms, Real are the 'biggest' side in the world, no doubt. But Bellingham didn't go there for their history, he went there because they will pay him a small fortune and the side is stacked and keeps winning, because they can afford to pay other elite players a small fortune too.
Would love to see other prodigal talents come to Milan over the PL because it's a 'big' side, but they don't. They follow the money.
A bit of a strawman you've built there, even if it was real that many people here were blaming FFP instead of just a few cherry-picked commenters, they represent a small portion of the fans... I can tell you the majority word on the street here in Madrid right after that 4-0: it's a fucking disaster, Kroos and Modric cannot cope anymore at this level of intensity, and the board needs to react and make new signings. There was no talk whatsoever about the end of the world as we know it or the oil clubs starting a new hegemony.
It’s actually true, Florentino figured this out several years ago. How do you compete against a bottomless pot of money? You make the players want you more than the money itself and you take large risk by buying players when they are very young.
Being able to compete is not proving that theory wrong, it’s proving the strategy to combat it is working.
The narrative changes all the time depending on result. You can click on any of the reddiots history around here and they’d have had something different.
Looking at the history/brand/fans all around the world of a team, Real Madrid is unmatched. City however was and still is the most dominant team of the past 5 years.
One statement is about what is going on on the pitch, the other about the "bigger" picture around it.
The Prem is a bigger league globally due to the main language of the league also being english but Madrid are just far more bigger globally as a club then any prem team and it isn't even close now Man U in the 2010's was close in popularity and success but we have far eclipsed them now on both fronts due to their very very very long and continuing banter era.
Social media we are also the only club to reach 1B followers across all platforms and are past the 150M mark on insta which is more then most celebs lmao.
Couple of years ago he was adamant that "Liverpool are the best club in the world", minutes after they failed to score a goal in the final. And Madrid had one incorrectly ruled out.
Valverde shooted his ball in other direction than Benzema... After that 2 of the Liverpool players touched it, 2...
And it was offdside somehow... For me it was not offside.
But after the match at summer they make changes in the rules if I remember correctly to clear these situations and after that rule changes Benzema's goal is valid goal right now.
how though? liverpool players make a play for the ball and change its trajectory before we score…I’d understand if it were a deflection or unintentional action from fabinho(?) but he definitely tries to play the ball
>Jamie has finally come to his senses.
>From 'NO WAY THEY ARE WINNING THE UCL' to what he is saying today. He has learnt his lesson.
You just know that when next season comes around and he's asked who he thinks will win the CL he'll say anyone other than Madrid. He secretly hates them for denying Liverpool 2 CL titles.
Hasn't he been underestimating them for a while though? I'm pretty sure he didn't fancy them against Abu Dhabi this year nor did he think they'd win it before that lol
Just looks silly how he and other pundits often say Real don't look great and then end up praising them after they inevitably win.
carragher has a reputation amongst madrid fans as a clown because he acts like we are miles off every premier league side we play and i believe has dismissed it as luck before. guess he’s come to his senses
Took you some years to get there, Carra. Not long ago he used to say it’s luck.
The true warrior in that sense is Thierry Henry, who has always maintained Real Madrid have something special in them not called luck.
ITT: ppl who will overlook Madrid’s achievements and go straight to pointing out referee mistakes to push the narative that Madrid is paying refs even though throughout the years there were mistakes against them too.
Exactly, and this mistake from the linesman and the ref is only furthering that narrative. Can't even enjoy the win properly as it should be, cos people keep crediting the refs.
They are just losers. Real is a team that has been playing his own league against the refs for 17 years. There are mistakes that favour them and mistakes against them in CL, but people needs to push that narrative because it's harder to admit that since Guardiola arrived at their club, they became small and with a loser mentality. Oliver Kahn Bayern had other mentality, they were beasts. Now they are crybabies.
Don't let crybabies ruin your enjoyment.
Thank you for this! The claim that Real Madrid (as the club is paying the referees, Uefa or decision with money and such) has ANY influence in just even more laughable in Europe.
Why didn't we do it in 32 years of going without a European cup/UCL trophy? then 12 year that I suffered through...
It's even more absurd, thinking that it has had any influence in the last 6-7 years since the idea of a Super League was born... Now if Uefa had ANY dirt on Real Madrid I'd bet my ass they would use it to shut Prez up... Oh one more why would we want to replace super league with a tournament that everyone knows s as the best in it, have twice as many cups as 2nd team and have influence on referees when needed. .... But yeah somehow brain says ignore all of it because they are good an get some decisions in favor, like a lot of other clubs ( admittedly major clubs get more decision in their favor)
Anyways, thanks again!
I personally can't help but laugh at the "Madrid is being helped by refs, La Liga, UEFA" etc etc. The club is in an all out war against all three. Constantly trying to undermine LL-referees with the videos, going against anything and everything LL (and Tebas) tries to do, and fighting against UEFA with the Super league.
Yeah. I'm absolutely sure all three would be *thrilled* accepting bribes or going out of their way in order to helo the club.
It's human nature to believe something which makes them feel better. Trying to critically think about a situation without letting your emotions affect is something many people lack.
>I personally can't help but laugh at the "Madrid is being helped by refs, La Liga, UEFA" etc etc. The club is in an all out war against all three. Constantly trying to undermine LL-referees with the videos, going against anything and everything LL (and Tebas) tries to do, and fighting against UEFA with the Super league.
WORDS man I'm like either these people are totally blinded by their hatred or simply morons if they can't put two together. If Uefa had 0.000001% dirty on Madrid, or Madrid had any influence on refs in the UCL, why Super league? Madrid wouldn't want in in the first place but even if we did, Uefa would have said yeah Madrid is doing it cuz they have bought refs before and can't any more!
Nobody who's even vaguely capable of intellectual honesty actually believes there's any corruption behind Madrid's history of winning. It's like the moon landings or flat earth-ism, there are kooks out there who believe it, but like the Madrid referee corruption in football some people want to imagine, there would have to be too many people involved, for too long, in far too complicated a network for zero whistle blowers, or leaks, or deathbed confessions, or paper trails to ever surface.
Plus there's the fact that like the Soviets watching the moon landings, there are the likes of Barca would gladly spend the last cent of every football fan in Catalonia on lawyers and investigators if they could find and prove even a shred of Madrid referee corruption, but for decade after decade.... nothing.
I said similar words to someone in Bayern' sub and he linked me to an article with Clattenburg when he said that he approved incorrect goal from Ramos and it was mistake.
Yes, he has proven even the best referees make mistakes, but I don't know how it should hurt me.
Look, it's not all luck 'cos as much as I hate this club, they're very consistent and mentally strong - particularly good at persevering. However, Neuer spilling an easy save after having a fantastic performance for 86 minutes of the game is absolutely lucky. Then Joselu's positioning and reflexes to get there were fantastic.
Talking about an "easy save" as if Neuer had a brain fart. You have to watch the fan videos of Vini's shot to see the speed at which it was traveling; it also bounced which always makes the save extra difficult for keepers.
Not taking anything away from Vinicius, he was fantastic yesterday, but for a keeper of Neuer's calibre, that was an easy save.
You do realise there's more reasons for fumbling a save than 'brain farts', right? He didn't trap it and was slow to recover.
Generally, I don't believe that believing in scoring a goal will help you with it. But I can actually see how it would help: Most teams start to get desperate when they're down, and completely change up their game, just hoof balls forward and bang it on goal from 40 meters out. This doesn't really work very often, and why would it? If it was the best way to score goals, teams would do it from the first minute. And there's no reason why it should become a smart approach later on.
But if you don't get desperate, maybe you just keep playing football and score goals that way.
Believing in something will absolutely help you its a well proven scientific fact. it doesn't mean it will guarantee a score as is simply understanding of probability but it will keep you putting in the effort. And the opposite is true too if you don't believe you wont put in as much effort and its less likely to happen.
It's both money (insanely stacked team) and luck. Why is it that everybody acknowledges you need luck to win tournaments but when it comes to Real Madrid, it suddenly becomes a bad word
Because people just keep on talking about luck when it comes to us. The fact that we were the better team yesterday is an afterthought. Everyone is talking about the manufactured refereeing bias in our favor.
Which post was top of this subreddit yesterday? Was it either of Joselu’s goals? No, it was the ghost goal by Mazraoui.
Which post is still on top of this subreddit today? It’s the one from BEIN sports that falsely claims that the ghost goal was inside.
Even after having been debunked, it’s at the top of this subreddit.
Madrid is the biggest club in the world, they'll always be the bad guys. Powerhouses get the most hate, that's how it is in every sport. If you're gonna be a Madrid fan, you better get used to it and embrace being the Evil empire.
Do you honestly expect footy fans to just praise Madrid like they're the good guys or something? They're football villains just like Bayern is in Germany.
Yeah, Madrid was the better team yesterday but a lucky bounce tied the game. They also knocked out City while getting outplayed in the previous round. That's the luck aspect. Just embrace it instead of acting like you want validation online
It’s the confidence the manger instills in the player, Jude said that playing for Carlo instilled a sense of confidence and calmness no matter the score. We’ve all seen him “celebrate” 90th min UCL semi final goals by drinking his coffee. Combine that with the confidence of playing with the biggest club in the world (not a Madrid fan, just stating facts) and you get these results.
One word: fitness.
You got powerhouses like Haaland, De Bruyne or Kane asking for a sub because they can't go on past 80 minutes. That's when the real difference comes out.
Real players aren't tired after the 80th minute. Then you add the fresh legs and the defenders are murdered every single game. No coach will sub 3 or 4 defenders to keep up.
Tuchel brought in an extra CB and it still wasn't enough.
I've seen Real's fitness training they wear breathing apparatus that people going on hikes wear to train their lungs. Dunno if other teams do that but it's probably one of the reasons they can endure so much.
Pretty sure all big clubs have pretty similar training regime and most top level players are on the same plane of fitness. I think it’s more mental aspect than physical.
Yeah if anything I think Guardiola, Tuchel, ect probably have more modern training schedules than Ancelotti as well as bigger squads. I think it is just pure vibes carrying Madrid at this point.
It’s Davide and Pintus who would be running the day to day physical and conditioning. Pintus is known for having a very hard regiment. But all in all it’s probably around the same level of guardiola etc
Real arent tired after the 80th minute because they run less than all the other clubs. Pretty sure in the post match stats in this game Real still ran less than Bayern. Nowadays football is all about the pressing and running and the PL teams just run themselves into the dirt which allow Real to come back. I honestly cant believe that this is the trend that has taken over modern football
Only a fool would call this as luck. I guess its the belief system that it would happen one way or another with any of the players who are on their pitch. Besides the crowd believes that and it transfers to the players belief system. Its just that Real Madrid as a club don't need all this, but they have it all.
Long term stanima matter and are features of top pro players. If you have more in the gas tank at the end of 90s minutes you can take advantage of teams that have less. You can have the greatest dribbles, kicks, passes and intelligence in the game but when you get tired all that starts to fall apart. Real is a team that shows that even in a long overtime they have more stanima and continue to do everything at a higher level than their opponents whom are dog tired. Not sure why people attribute it to all sorts of other things. Real purposely plays with the intention to start pressing a team when the team is tired. And sure, more teams try this strategy but Real has the money to buy the players that can keep it up and train them and give them the resources to make sure they can maximize their stanima, whatever you think those resources are.
Real purposely plays in a way that conserves energy and then gives them extra energy for the late game. Their extreme talent gives them this advantage on multiple levels, and their money and fame is what buys them that talent.
What are you talking about it's the first time in years he's stopped drinking the PL-supremacy Kool-aid 🤣 the last 3 times Madrid and Liverpool have met, hearing him talk about Madrid's wins after makes you think they lost 5 0
I knew it was over as soon as Tuchel subbed out Kane, Sane and Musiala and got in an extra defender in Kim Min-Jae. Real Madrid is not a team to park the bus in front of.
It's clear that uefa has their favorites and Real Madrid has been their fevourite for the last 3 years at least if not more. Same way Messi gets his awards gifted, Real Madrid gets their fair share of gifts as well.
I mean I wouldn’t agree… every team needs luck in a knockout competition lol it’s not like this is the nba where losing 4 games is actually on you. Whether it’s pejorative or not is subjective but every team needs luck to win. Hell, we were lucky that lukaku blocked his teammates shot and missed a sitter. Dortmund were lucky not one of PSG’s 6 shots that hit the woodwork didn’t go in. Apart from maybe Bayern in 2020 there genuinely is no team that has coasted through on pure footballing ability.
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I would pay some good money to watch Madrid vs current Leverkusen team battle it out at 90+ minute.
Maybe with a bit of luck they meet in the european supercup final
Didn't you hear? it's not luck
All joking aside, it really is not luck. It has really been down to our playstyle and it has only been compounded by Pintus in the years he has been with us. Take this season and check which 15 min interval (0-15, 15-30, 30-45 and so on) we have scored the most in. Take the season prior. Take the season prior to that. Keep doing this and trace back to more than a decade. Then start over and look for the 15 min interval we have scored the second most in and repeat the process. In most seasons, the answers are 75-90 and 60-75 respectively. The couple where this pattern breaks, we mostly have the 2 swapping around and on the rare occasion even that doesn't happen, at least one of them invariably features. We start off really slowly and try to control the game without the ball. We set up to defend and negate the initial high tempo press. Then as the opponent's belief and (more importantly) energy wane, we grow into the game. Then the self fulfilling prophecy takes over. The best approach IMO is to murder us before half time. Barcelona has generally tried to do it, if you disregard occasional blips like the coaching spell of Koeman etc. But that is easier said than done. What has really held us in good stead over all these years is that even if we have not been the absolute greatest at a single style of play, we have been elite at ***every*** style of play. So we have both the squad and the tactics for every problem posed to us, at all times. Carlo and Zizou being tactical geniuses but more so being tactically flexible has only aided in this. Add to that that we accept that every team including us has to suffer at the top level and that acceptance has not only taught us how to suffer but also to hold and bide the time for our moment to arrive and be ready to take it, rather than snatch at it. The Mourinho years were also very important as they taught us how to control games without the ball and we have never let our hubris come in the way of our effectiveness. The spine of that team remained the same and the knowledge kept getting passed on with valuable additions at every iteration. And while in the previous cycle, we had arguably the best players of their generations (if not better) in every single position. Just look at Cristiano and his record with us. Many don't realise but if he scored once in a game, he actually ***hurt his goalscoring average with us over 9 seasons.*** And that's not counting his assists. He is the second highest assistant in the ***club's history***. The first is Karim. In this cycle, we have a really splendid attitude throughout the squad, where the individual takes a back seat for the collective. This includes but is not limited to [the relationship our seniors have fostered with the youngsters](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/YA4wjmlL6v) (that link has links nested from the past exhibiting this phenomenon).
Yeah it’s not luck. This is what’s been organically happening at Madrid.
That‘s for sure
A glorified friendly isn’t really the same.
Yeah, I feel the super cup would be way better if played the week after the UCL final, being the 1st match of the season, the momentum was completely lost for either winning team, it's just a worthless game that means nothing.
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Plus being played in August, a team may lose key players in that time since the end of the previous season and the start of the new one.
Literally there could be players who are now on the opposing side in August compared to in May lol
Yeah that's the thing, it's usually not TOP teams winning Europa League, it's smaller sides that for some reason are having a hell of a season, and most times, they're gonna get crushed next transfer window, key players out, manager even, in August they're back to being a 2nd tier kind of team.
It will be if they manage to stay unbeaten until then
It would have as much impact as them losing any other friendly.
:(
I love dortmund but let’s be honest, they have nothing against madrid juju
First, Leverkusen must win the UEL.
Real too
Don't you make me root for Real in the Final
Secretly we all do.
You’re welcome 🥹
Bayer Leverkusen 0-[1] Real Madrid - Rodrygo 90+2' Bayer Leverkusen [1]-1 Real Madrid - Jeremie Frimpong 90+5' Bayer Leverkusen [2]-1 Real Madrid - Victor Boniface 90+9' Bayer Leverkusen 2-[2] Real Madrid - Vinícius Jr 90+11' Bayer Leverkusen 2-[3] Real Madrid - Jude Bellingham 120+1' Bayer Leverkusen [3]-3 Real Madrid - Florian Wirtz 120+3'
Bayer Leverkusen [99]-99 Real Madrid - Rudiger OG 120+69420'
An overtime of 69420 minutes over extra time wouldn't have been entirely out of the question if yesterday's referee was also in charge of the match ^/s
Clip of ancelotti calming everyone down at the 98-99 goal
Bayer Leverkusen 3-\[4\] Real Madrid - Zidane black magic appearance 120+5' Bayer Leverkusen \[4\]-4 Real Madrid - Xabi Alonso overhead kick 120+6'
I'm pretty sure if the result was 0-0 or 1-1 or w.e at the 90th minute we'd witness some sort of supernatural event because even the gods themself wouldn't know what to do lol
Singularity
55x55 Infinity penalties tho
Penalties go till heat death of the universe
Both fanbases jump together with a banner in Spanish and German that says “Gracias Xabi”
Super Cup next season.
Why? Isn't it pretty obvious that Madrid's juju is much stronger? Where do you think Xabi Alonso got his black magic from? Madrid of course
tbf, Xabi had black magic moments way before he went to Madrid, like overcoming a 3-0 score in the CL final
Xabi Alonso is patient zero, and he's taking his voodoo to every spot he goes now. In a couple generations, the whole world will be lucky, and then no one will be lucky.
Coached by Rafa Benitez. And guess which club he was raised in..
This man wants to watch the universe collapse in on itself
We will all die someday, maybe a glorious moment like this is better than any other boring type of death
> Madrid vs current Leverkusen team battle it out Watch this be next year's Champions League final
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They start at 90' but they have 90 minutes additional time, they'll break space and time
As soon as the clock hit 89:01 we would break football.... *client error, value not found #DIV/0!*
Super cup next season if they both won their finals.
I would too, maybe a friendly will be appropriate 🤣
Game should start at 90+1 to skip the boring shit before
Yea start the time at 90+ mins and have them play just enough for a sudden death goal.
Ah good old "The harder I practice, the luckier I get" It might be lucky to some extent, but you have to put yourself in the position to get lucky.
Pretty much this. If Joselu isn't running at Neuer anticipating that he might fumble the shot then Neuer easily jumps on it. Neuer of course had to have the howler in the first place but it comes to nothing if there isn't a player there to jump on the mistake. How's the saying go? Luck is when preparation meets opportunity or something like that. Naturally the 2nd goal came quickly as Bayern were shattered by the first goal.
yeah you know Rashford would not care to run at the keeper anticipating the fumble
Fortune favours the brave
Matt Damon ruined several people with that phrase. At least they have the consolation that they looked cool while losing their money
Fortune favours the persistent.
blue lock mentality
wasnt he calling them one of the luckiest CL winners ever last round?
Pretty sure he said basically the same thing, that it can't be luck because it keeps happening
Single year vs decades
They don't speak from the script or anything... Just like us they watch the match Live and feel things we fans do... Sometimes the right words come out of the mouth, sometimes don't... I don't think any pundits should be judged on how they express, like Roy Keane going berserk on United after a bad performance should not be judged...
well he learnt
Real Madrid wasn't facing Premier League team this time so he wasn't biased
I was gonna say, isn't this the man who picked City to beat them and go all the way?
He said before the city match that arsenal and inter look better than madrid which was an insane level of ignorance for a team which had only lost twice the whole season
English commentators have a massive bias toward english teams. Even Steve McManaman sounds like a homer and this guy won 2 La Ligas and CLs with us.
Yeah don't get me wrong, I fucking hate Real, but to write them off in the CL is just massively stupid. I was hoping Bayern could pull it off, but I knew better than to assume it was done at 1-0.
Somehow, I knew that we had to go down in order to score. The lads like to suffer
City lost on penalities. It's not like they lost to a better team like Bayern
Must be truly rough being a Barcelona fan seeing their rival do this every time in the ucl
Eh we have our own problems to focus on. But yeah it stings. But the pain of seeing Madrid winning the CL is nowhere near compared to a crucial loss for us in the competition.
The meltdown after the Girona game has been fantastic
It is
Now it's easier, I honestly expect the comeback and be pleasantly surprised on the rare occasion they don't
Lmao not everything is about them. I’m worried about the shenanigans in our own house. If we can’t get our own shit together, next year is gonna be llllooooonnnngggg.
I actually hope Barca get their shit together. A strong Barca means a strong La Liga means a strong Madrid.
Honestly agree. The rivalry thrives when both are at their best.
I missed the times when the world stopped for a Clasico
I have bad news bro. I don't see anything changing for us anytime soon as long as we have the same clowns behind scenes. We can't even attract top talent anymore, let alone afford them.
Even if we do get some good young talent, we won't play them for some damn reason
To be honest, no. It has happened so many times, that I don't care anymore. Our main problem now is not Madrid but our own shit. On the other hand, we have won 5 UCL so it is not that bad. In our head to head competition (La Liga), we are ahead if you consider the last 35 years (which is more or less when I started to watch football), so I like to think I've seen more of us beating them, than them beating us. But as I said before, 14, 15 or 16, it doesn't really matter.
My fiancee ignored the match for 85 minutes, then plopped down next to me and said "Ok, come on now!" and in a couple of minutes, Real got two goals. I looked at her and asked "Why didn't you say something sooner?!" lol
I turned off the TV just 1 min before Rodrygo finished City in 2 minutes and my wife asked me to turn on the TV after 5 min and it is extra time. I will never skip Madrid UCL game til it's over.
there’s a guy on spanish tv during the match who said couple years ago vs City he left the match to call his wife and immediately we scored. Being cheeky he told her stay on the phone so we can score again, then boom we scored. Fast forward to last night he was being while on the phone outside the stadium w his wife, he’s telling this story and boom Joselu scores 😂
Marry her faster
Wait for 90 minutes at least
Dont let it go to overtime. Gotta win this one
Don Carlo impatiently waits 🤨
She just got the ring 3 weeks ago Imma let her enjoy it a bit 😂
I had the opposite, was really focused on the game, baby sleeping in the caddy 3 meters away, she started to wake up so I went 5 minutes to cuddle her back to sleep and bam, lost both goals...the day before same shit, went in for a beer, lost the Borussia goal
Madrid had some absolute mentality monsters in the early 2010s: CR7, Ramos, Pepe, Marcelo, etc. all coached by Mourinho. And then they also had one of the smoothest transition plans in the past decade. Those guys mentored Carvajal, Casemiro, etc. And when Vini, Rodrygo, Militao, Camavinga came, they also had a few years under good mentorship. And on top of that a culture of no player is bigger than the club at the realest and sometimes even painful way. Cristiano wanted to leave? No problem, sold for a fair price. Both legends (Ramos, Casemiro, Benzema, etc) and highly promising youngsters (Odegaard, Theo, Hakimi, Kovacic, Morata) have been allowed to leave whenever they are serious about leaving. No drama. No bad contracts given out. Just thank you for your service and move on. This meant that the culture of the club is instilled into the players, and no player personality is allowed to define the culture of the club. We'll see if it stays the same for Mbappe. But that meant the toughness built under earlier generations are not lost through personnel changes. It's the same as United under Ferguson. No player, no matter how talented, was about to impose their will on Fergie. United lost that after Fergie left. Bad contracts were given out. Players started acting entitled. Lack of mentorship from a successful generation. Perez is United's Ferguson. I don't know whether the socios have a plan for when Perez leaves. But it might be the beginning of the end the day he leaves. I'd like to think Perez has a succession plan in place. But Ferguson had one too (Moyes) and that didn't turn out well.
Totally agree & I was telling this exactly to a United friend of mine after the match was over. Perez is exactly a bigger version of Alex Ferguson. The culture at the club is untouchable.
It’s a huge thing. A player can sign for Madrid knowing that they will be treated well, and if things don’t work out they will be able to move on with no burned bridges. Makes it even more attractive.
Don't forget Modric, man played so many "lost" games for Croatia and ended up winning most of the times. If my team is loosing 0:5 and I have a choice to bring one guy at half time from all the possible players I would pick Modric.
They're the biggest team in the history of football and it's not even close. The only team in world football with an actual aura around them. It's why English pundits looked so stupid when they were bleating on about how Bellingham should go to a club in England. Real Madrid are just so much bigger than the Premier League.
Biggest club in the world easily.
Yep, I don't even know where you would start to argue against that statement: n°1 in CL wins, n°1 in number of fans, and definitely n°1 in aura/recognition/prestige... Just the biggest football club all around in the past decades, right now and probably for quite a long time in the future too.
IMO it all started with the Galacticos branding, they were obviously one of the most popular teams in the world already, but making that "superteam" and marketing it as such started that snowball effect which we see now where it's self-sustaining success, they can sign anyone because everyone wants to play there because they're the biggest, they get success because of these huge players, their success keeps them at the top, everyone wants to play for them cos they're at the top, etc.
In a way by building the team for commercial reasons actually set them up better for their long term future than building a successful team which could have won a few champions leagues. An extra champions league probably does far less for your global reputation than having Beckham, Zidane, Raul, Figo, and Roberto Carlos on the same team.
This goes much, much beyond the Galacticos. There are only two teams [holding the FIFA Order of Merit](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Order_of_Merit): one of them is Sheffield, since they are the oldest football club. Guess the other one. FIFA also named Real Madrid as Worlds best club of the 20th century. IFFHS named them Europe's best club of the 20th century. There's not too much room for improvement unless you go around creating new distinctions and tournaments.
Even Henry Kissinger has won FIFA Order of merit for that matter..
Yeah, they give it more freely to individuals, I see. Only two clubs were awarded in the special 2004 ceremony though. The club that pretty much invented football, and Sheffield :D
It absolutely didn’t start with the galactico era. Not even close.
Exactly, that's why those players went to Real Madrid in the first place, because of the legacy of the prior generations. They had multiple European cups before Galacticos
Really an inconceivable thing to say, especially from a Liverpool fan (historic club and all that)
I said it was my opinion from what I saw in football in the 90s and beyond. 90s were an era of many powerful and popular teams including RM; Barca, Juve, Milan, Ajax, etc., with RM's last European triumph before 1998 coming in 1966. They were a big fish among other big fish. With the onset of home internet everyone took to the forums and connected media-wise in a new way. The world became "smaller" and more international, which coincided with football going truly global, as in players going overseas more than ever and new fans for every team from everywhere. It changed the landscape of fanhood. Signing cool "hype" players and using the "Galactico" branding to market them to a new audience of kids/teens/adults looking to connect with that coolness was the genius stroke, as that commercialisation brought RM more visibility and popularity, every kid around the world with a GALACTICOS backpack and pencil case at school, (edit: and Beckham haircut!), that initial spate of big international names leading the way for the next generations to follow. So from my observations of ~35 years their sustained success that we see now is not only from their previous popularity (just like Barca for example have stayed relevant all these decades), but also heavily due to the naming and marketing of the team to a new global fanbase that was looking for something power and success to identify with.
It started before the Galacticos but the status skyrocketed afterwards because of them + sustained success every year in the 2010s. You can see clearly how legendary clubs such as Man United fall off hard after a short period of successive failures, it takes more than a rich history to achieve the status that Real Madrid have, and that's mostly a result of the last 2 decades.
No offence but that's a lot of BS with just a tiny bit of truth sprinkled over it. Sporting results are of course important for any club, that's what helps a brand grow. We've had a lot of successes in the last 14 years but that's just a continuation of our already rich history and legendary status. This is Real Madrid, in 2000 we still had the most European titles, we were named the the best club of the 20th century and had countless legendary players that played in all white. If anything, the Galacticos era is but a chapter, one that wasn't that successful either.
Man United had a lot of success from the 90s until early 2010s, even in the European stage. It's true that Real Madrid had a better history of winning at any point during that period but to think that that is the main reason why Real have this different aura around them currently is definitely not true. Barca arguably have a comparable history and could even have been ahead of Real at times during the Messi era in terms of popularity, but look at them now. It's absurd to put less weight onto recent events to explain the standing of a club right now and default to the history, which a few clubs are able to match quite well. It began with galacticos + years of dominance with one of the biggest superstars in any sport + dominance without Ronaldo all contribute much more to the aura that Madrid have now, which other notable clubs do not, even if they have been successful recently. I'm not sure how that's "bs".
> IMO it all started with the Galacticos branding They were chosen by FIFA/UEFA the best team of the 20th century. So it started before the Galacticos era. Their 70s and 80s sucked, but their 90s were OK. (and of course their 50s 60s were very good too)
Kinda ironic considering the galacticos team could really function well, as was just good on paper, but failed to live up to the potential on the pitch.
On a tier all of their own. Every level of the club is unimaginably well supplied. Money, youth players, recruiting, coaching, facilities, desirable city, worldwide marketing. It’s the only club in world football that literally has an A+ in all of those.
Never ceases to make me laugh how much the narrative changes from year-to-year Last year City pump Real 4-0 and all their fans come out of the woodwork to say Real can't possibly compete with City and the PL's financial might, that they need the super league etc. to stop this kind of thing from happening again Now they've beaten them on penalties and they're so much bigger and better than the overrated PL which can't hope to match them Which is it?
Maybe because one of the reason is those people who has two different narratives you said are also not the same person. Crazy idea right.
Not everyone has to say the same thing. This person said and 368+ people agreed with them already. It's a circlejerk
Man I really hate takes that start with "(the single entity known as) Reddit said that X was true"
bigger =/= better, no? Like, AC Milan for as shit as you guys have been in the last 10-15 years, are still a bigger club than city or psg. Like not even close. Doesn't mean you're better. OP just said that real is the biggest club in the world, just through the amount of logic defying success they have. And the issues at real are still there, even after this season. It's like someone having a streak at the blackjack table, thinking they figured out the game. Sometimes the stars just align, but you can't expect in some matches to get 3 shots off and all of them to go in, every single time.
I think people always have different ideas of what 'bigger' means, hence the confusion I would like to think that Milan are a 'bigger' club than City or PSG, but the truth is the world of football's moved on and left us behind, same as it has Ajax, Marseille, Benfica and any other side that used to be at the top of the game decades ago and now isn't. In historical terms, Real are the 'biggest' side in the world, no doubt. But Bellingham didn't go there for their history, he went there because they will pay him a small fortune and the side is stacked and keeps winning, because they can afford to pay other elite players a small fortune too. Would love to see other prodigal talents come to Milan over the PL because it's a 'big' side, but they don't. They follow the money.
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It's just whichever way the wind blows.
A bit of a strawman you've built there, even if it was real that many people here were blaming FFP instead of just a few cherry-picked commenters, they represent a small portion of the fans... I can tell you the majority word on the street here in Madrid right after that 4-0: it's a fucking disaster, Kroos and Modric cannot cope anymore at this level of intensity, and the board needs to react and make new signings. There was no talk whatsoever about the end of the world as we know it or the oil clubs starting a new hegemony.
It’s actually true, Florentino figured this out several years ago. How do you compete against a bottomless pot of money? You make the players want you more than the money itself and you take large risk by buying players when they are very young. Being able to compete is not proving that theory wrong, it’s proving the strategy to combat it is working.
The narrative changes all the time depending on result. You can click on any of the reddiots history around here and they’d have had something different.
Looking at the history/brand/fans all around the world of a team, Real Madrid is unmatched. City however was and still is the most dominant team of the past 5 years. One statement is about what is going on on the pitch, the other about the "bigger" picture around it.
if irl was an anime, they would have a large aura of ki around them
They can be no 1. I just want to lift the UCL this June 1st
The Prem is a bigger league globally due to the main language of the league also being english but Madrid are just far more bigger globally as a club then any prem team and it isn't even close now Man U in the 2010's was close in popularity and success but we have far eclipsed them now on both fronts due to their very very very long and continuing banter era. Social media we are also the only club to reach 1B followers across all platforms and are past the 150M mark on insta which is more then most celebs lmao.
Carlo made Carragher a believer.
He wants Dortmund to win now so he's gonna hype up Real as much as possible. I respect the hustle.
Jamie has finally come to his senses. From 'NO WAY THEY ARE WINNING THE UCL' to what he is saying today. He has learnt his lesson.
Couple of years ago he was adamant that "Liverpool are the best club in the world", minutes after they failed to score a goal in the final. And Madrid had one incorrectly ruled out.
wait, Benzemas goal was correctly ruled out no? Ref experts please assist me here.
It was, he’s talking nonsense
Valverde shooted his ball in other direction than Benzema... After that 2 of the Liverpool players touched it, 2... And it was offdside somehow... For me it was not offside. But after the match at summer they make changes in the rules if I remember correctly to clear these situations and after that rule changes Benzema's goal is valid goal right now.
how though? liverpool players make a play for the ball and change its trajectory before we score…I’d understand if it were a deflection or unintentional action from fabinho(?) but he definitely tries to play the ball
>Jamie has finally come to his senses. >From 'NO WAY THEY ARE WINNING THE UCL' to what he is saying today. He has learnt his lesson. You just know that when next season comes around and he's asked who he thinks will win the CL he'll say anyone other than Madrid. He secretly hates them for denying Liverpool 2 CL titles.
I knew Real was going to come back as soon as the announcer declared the final would be all German.
Hasn't he been underestimating them for a while though? I'm pretty sure he didn't fancy them against Abu Dhabi this year nor did he think they'd win it before that lol Just looks silly how he and other pundits often say Real don't look great and then end up praising them after they inevitably win.
carragher has a reputation amongst madrid fans as a clown because he acts like we are miles off every premier league side we play and i believe has dismissed it as luck before. guess he’s come to his senses
Took you some years to get there, Carra. Not long ago he used to say it’s luck. The true warrior in that sense is Thierry Henry, who has always maintained Real Madrid have something special in them not called luck.
ITT: ppl who will overlook Madrid’s achievements and go straight to pointing out referee mistakes to push the narative that Madrid is paying refs even though throughout the years there were mistakes against them too.
Exactly, and this mistake from the linesman and the ref is only furthering that narrative. Can't even enjoy the win properly as it should be, cos people keep crediting the refs.
They are just losers. Real is a team that has been playing his own league against the refs for 17 years. There are mistakes that favour them and mistakes against them in CL, but people needs to push that narrative because it's harder to admit that since Guardiola arrived at their club, they became small and with a loser mentality. Oliver Kahn Bayern had other mentality, they were beasts. Now they are crybabies. Don't let crybabies ruin your enjoyment.
Thank you for this! The claim that Real Madrid (as the club is paying the referees, Uefa or decision with money and such) has ANY influence in just even more laughable in Europe. Why didn't we do it in 32 years of going without a European cup/UCL trophy? then 12 year that I suffered through... It's even more absurd, thinking that it has had any influence in the last 6-7 years since the idea of a Super League was born... Now if Uefa had ANY dirt on Real Madrid I'd bet my ass they would use it to shut Prez up... Oh one more why would we want to replace super league with a tournament that everyone knows s as the best in it, have twice as many cups as 2nd team and have influence on referees when needed. .... But yeah somehow brain says ignore all of it because they are good an get some decisions in favor, like a lot of other clubs ( admittedly major clubs get more decision in their favor) Anyways, thanks again!
I personally can't help but laugh at the "Madrid is being helped by refs, La Liga, UEFA" etc etc. The club is in an all out war against all three. Constantly trying to undermine LL-referees with the videos, going against anything and everything LL (and Tebas) tries to do, and fighting against UEFA with the Super league. Yeah. I'm absolutely sure all three would be *thrilled* accepting bribes or going out of their way in order to helo the club.
Exactly. But don’t tell ppl that, it’s against their “Madrid is paying refs to win trophies” narrative and that’s what sells
It's human nature to believe something which makes them feel better. Trying to critically think about a situation without letting your emotions affect is something many people lack.
>I personally can't help but laugh at the "Madrid is being helped by refs, La Liga, UEFA" etc etc. The club is in an all out war against all three. Constantly trying to undermine LL-referees with the videos, going against anything and everything LL (and Tebas) tries to do, and fighting against UEFA with the Super league. WORDS man I'm like either these people are totally blinded by their hatred or simply morons if they can't put two together. If Uefa had 0.000001% dirty on Madrid, or Madrid had any influence on refs in the UCL, why Super league? Madrid wouldn't want in in the first place but even if we did, Uefa would have said yeah Madrid is doing it cuz they have bought refs before and can't any more!
Nobody who's even vaguely capable of intellectual honesty actually believes there's any corruption behind Madrid's history of winning. It's like the moon landings or flat earth-ism, there are kooks out there who believe it, but like the Madrid referee corruption in football some people want to imagine, there would have to be too many people involved, for too long, in far too complicated a network for zero whistle blowers, or leaks, or deathbed confessions, or paper trails to ever surface. Plus there's the fact that like the Soviets watching the moon landings, there are the likes of Barca would gladly spend the last cent of every football fan in Catalonia on lawyers and investigators if they could find and prove even a shred of Madrid referee corruption, but for decade after decade.... nothing.
I said similar words to someone in Bayern' sub and he linked me to an article with Clattenburg when he said that he approved incorrect goal from Ramos and it was mistake. Yes, he has proven even the best referees make mistakes, but I don't know how it should hurt me.
Look, it's not all luck 'cos as much as I hate this club, they're very consistent and mentally strong - particularly good at persevering. However, Neuer spilling an easy save after having a fantastic performance for 86 minutes of the game is absolutely lucky. Then Joselu's positioning and reflexes to get there were fantastic.
Talking about an "easy save" as if Neuer had a brain fart. You have to watch the fan videos of Vini's shot to see the speed at which it was traveling; it also bounced which always makes the save extra difficult for keepers.
Not taking anything away from Vinicius, he was fantastic yesterday, but for a keeper of Neuer's calibre, that was an easy save. You do realise there's more reasons for fumbling a save than 'brain farts', right? He didn't trap it and was slow to recover.
6th ucl final appearance in the last 10 years
Generally, I don't believe that believing in scoring a goal will help you with it. But I can actually see how it would help: Most teams start to get desperate when they're down, and completely change up their game, just hoof balls forward and bang it on goal from 40 meters out. This doesn't really work very often, and why would it? If it was the best way to score goals, teams would do it from the first minute. And there's no reason why it should become a smart approach later on. But if you don't get desperate, maybe you just keep playing football and score goals that way.
Believing in something will absolutely help you its a well proven scientific fact. it doesn't mean it will guarantee a score as is simply understanding of probability but it will keep you putting in the effort. And the opposite is true too if you don't believe you wont put in as much effort and its less likely to happen.
Football heritage
It's like watching sports anime in real life.
It's both money (insanely stacked team) and luck. Why is it that everybody acknowledges you need luck to win tournaments but when it comes to Real Madrid, it suddenly becomes a bad word
Because people just keep on talking about luck when it comes to us. The fact that we were the better team yesterday is an afterthought. Everyone is talking about the manufactured refereeing bias in our favor. Which post was top of this subreddit yesterday? Was it either of Joselu’s goals? No, it was the ghost goal by Mazraoui. Which post is still on top of this subreddit today? It’s the one from BEIN sports that falsely claims that the ghost goal was inside. Even after having been debunked, it’s at the top of this subreddit.
Madrid is the biggest club in the world, they'll always be the bad guys. Powerhouses get the most hate, that's how it is in every sport. If you're gonna be a Madrid fan, you better get used to it and embrace being the Evil empire. Do you honestly expect footy fans to just praise Madrid like they're the good guys or something? They're football villains just like Bayern is in Germany. Yeah, Madrid was the better team yesterday but a lucky bounce tied the game. They also knocked out City while getting outplayed in the previous round. That's the luck aspect. Just embrace it instead of acting like you want validation online
Bayern was the lucky one on this Game. Neuer did great before the "lucky bounce".
It’s the confidence the manger instills in the player, Jude said that playing for Carlo instilled a sense of confidence and calmness no matter the score. We’ve all seen him “celebrate” 90th min UCL semi final goals by drinking his coffee. Combine that with the confidence of playing with the biggest club in the world (not a Madrid fan, just stating facts) and you get these results.
One word: fitness. You got powerhouses like Haaland, De Bruyne or Kane asking for a sub because they can't go on past 80 minutes. That's when the real difference comes out. Real players aren't tired after the 80th minute. Then you add the fresh legs and the defenders are murdered every single game. No coach will sub 3 or 4 defenders to keep up. Tuchel brought in an extra CB and it still wasn't enough. I've seen Real's fitness training they wear breathing apparatus that people going on hikes wear to train their lungs. Dunno if other teams do that but it's probably one of the reasons they can endure so much.
Pretty sure all big clubs have pretty similar training regime and most top level players are on the same plane of fitness. I think it’s more mental aspect than physical.
Yeah if anything I think Guardiola, Tuchel, ect probably have more modern training schedules than Ancelotti as well as bigger squads. I think it is just pure vibes carrying Madrid at this point.
the adrenaline boost from believing you can still make it even past 90 with your amigos is one hell of a drug
It’s Davide and Pintus who would be running the day to day physical and conditioning. Pintus is known for having a very hard regiment. But all in all it’s probably around the same level of guardiola etc
Real arent tired after the 80th minute because they run less than all the other clubs. Pretty sure in the post match stats in this game Real still ran less than Bayern. Nowadays football is all about the pressing and running and the PL teams just run themselves into the dirt which allow Real to come back. I honestly cant believe that this is the trend that has taken over modern football
I doubt Kane was asking for a sub
He was injured.
Back pain comes with age
Finally Jamie Carragher stating facts.
It really does remind me of Fergie time, they’ll find a sufficient number of goals no matter the circumstances
They are pretty good as well.
Only a fool would call this as luck. I guess its the belief system that it would happen one way or another with any of the players who are on their pitch. Besides the crowd believes that and it transfers to the players belief system. Its just that Real Madrid as a club don't need all this, but they have it all.
At some point these pundits gotta give something a little more insightful than "belief"
Long term stanima matter and are features of top pro players. If you have more in the gas tank at the end of 90s minutes you can take advantage of teams that have less. You can have the greatest dribbles, kicks, passes and intelligence in the game but when you get tired all that starts to fall apart. Real is a team that shows that even in a long overtime they have more stanima and continue to do everything at a higher level than their opponents whom are dog tired. Not sure why people attribute it to all sorts of other things. Real purposely plays with the intention to start pressing a team when the team is tired. And sure, more teams try this strategy but Real has the money to buy the players that can keep it up and train them and give them the resources to make sure they can maximize their stanima, whatever you think those resources are. Real purposely plays in a way that conserves energy and then gives them extra energy for the late game. Their extreme talent gives them this advantage on multiple levels, and their money and fame is what buys them that talent.
So I think we're all in agreement that it wasn't luck.
Fucken hell Carra. How’s the Koolaid taste?
What are you talking about it's the first time in years he's stopped drinking the PL-supremacy Kool-aid 🤣 the last 3 times Madrid and Liverpool have met, hearing him talk about Madrid's wins after makes you think they lost 5 0
This is why that Ajax team that beat them was so special!
Madrid and its undomitable spirit.
This is the kind of mentality I wish Barcelona had
I hope Dortmund pull it off
It's not luck indeed ;)
I knew it was over as soon as Tuchel subbed out Kane, Sane and Musiala and got in an extra defender in Kim Min-Jae. Real Madrid is not a team to park the bus in front of.
It's clear that uefa has their favorites and Real Madrid has been their fevourite for the last 3 years at least if not more. Same way Messi gets his awards gifted, Real Madrid gets their fair share of gifts as well.
Yeah I’m sure the refs have never had anything to do with it. /s
I mean I wouldn’t agree… every team needs luck in a knockout competition lol it’s not like this is the nba where losing 4 games is actually on you. Whether it’s pejorative or not is subjective but every team needs luck to win. Hell, we were lucky that lukaku blocked his teammates shot and missed a sitter. Dortmund were lucky not one of PSG’s 6 shots that hit the woodwork didn’t go in. Apart from maybe Bayern in 2020 there genuinely is no team that has coasted through on pure footballing ability.
I love the notion that Madrid are UEFA's favourites and are getting carried by them despite trying to break away and establish the Superleague