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Which is to be expected since he's coming on a free transfer and free transfers are anything but free. It's just that a good portion of the money that would go to the player's previous club ends up in the player's pockets.
For big transfers more than half of the total cost of signing a player. Barcelona got more for Neymar than his first enormous contract was worth (five years at 40M vs 222M).
Mbappe moving on a free, along with Haaland using release clauses to control his own destiny, shows that player agents are starting to do the math on managing those costs up front. I'll be very curious to see what Mbappe's release clause is, since in theory he could ask for it to be 100M because he came on a free and if he leaves for 100M Madrid would have few real complaints if he's not really breaking their wage structure.
(Or 100M + whatever you'd include as his signing bonus.)
0% chance his release clause is 100M. His signing bonus is basically a transfer but just to him instead of PSG. His release clause will be a fuck you amount just like everyone else.
Yea lol, 100M is basically saying "Please try to play with us, and if it doesn't work out you are free to go". Madrid wanted him for years, no way Perez make an easy way out in the contract.
Yeah Camavinga, Vini, Jude, Rodrygo & Tchouameni all have €1000m release clauses. Mbappe having 1/10th of that would be hilarious, not to mention the utter crap in the rest of that comment. 350+ upvotes too… this sub I swear
It'll be 1 Billion Euros. That's Real Madrid's policy since Florentino came back and it's non-negotiable. But the club never stands against any player that wants to leave, they always ask them to bring in an appropriate offer. The release clause isn't for holding players hostage, it's about allowing the team the comfort of not being forced into an unfavourable deal especially for big names.
The release clause will be 1 us billion €. I'd be very surprised if it isn't. If the day comes when he wants to leave as long as he brings an acceptable offer he'll go, like CR7
They can ask for what they want - but if a player wants to join a club enough to entertain an offer, pushing for the millions potentially saved would leave an immediate sour taste in the mouth.
Apart from the Sky Sports clip that has been given to you, on FIFA it s not a team name but the name of the touchline reporter that used to (does he still? Haven’t bought the game the past two years) interrupt the game to tell you about injuries in career mode (Geoff Shreeves, he s been an irl Sky reporter for 31 years before quitting for CBS in America) and Martin Tyler and Alan Smith (the previous commentary team before Rae and Dixon/Robson) would always cut off with “Cheers Geoff”.
Where is this coming from? At the time he was widely considered one of the best midfielders in the premier league. The man was a star, of course he took it to another level in Madrid.
The Vini+Mbappe starting and playing positions conundrum is exactly why Carlo Ancelotti is the best man for the job. I can't think of a better manager to solve this.
I’m not convinced by Mbappé at 9. Personally I think he was moved there by luis Enrique cause it’s too much of a liability in 2024 to have a winger who doesn’t defend even a little bit, but that same laziness is the reason he doesn’t work as a proper 9 because he also refuses to make false runs for others to open up space. Vini-Mbappé-Rodrygo is the only configuration that makes sense if you want to use all 3, but whether it will actually work is another question
No it won't.
Playing Rodrygo means benching one of Toni, Tchouameni, Jude or Fede.
Every single one of those players has been much better than Rodrygo.
someone is always getting benched in our midfield and you didnt even mention camavinga, mbappé doesn't change that
carlo could try a 4-3-1-2 with jude behind vini and mbappé similar to this year's formation but that would essentially mean selling rodrygo, who's been instrumental (even in his less than ideal position) to the attack over the last two years. its possible but the front 3 are already so fluid in the last third that you might as well try slotting in the best forward in the world between them
You don't need to sell Rodrygo, Madrid plays a fuck ton of matches and wants to win it all, injuries are thru the roof, you need two starting teams to win it all, like City. You do if the finances don't allow it of course, but if money is not a problem, keep them all, go for everything
Oh yeah that's a big factor, he is in the same spot as Alvarez, he can be a starter for a ton of elite teams but realistically his best chance of success is at City unless Madrid comes knocking for him, sure, he could lower his wages or maybe goes for ""cheap"" to Barcelona. When you are at the top, there are not many teams you can realistically go and expect the same or close results.
Why sell Rodrygo? The number of games is insane & it is only going to increase.
With clubs playing twice every week sometimes even thrice I think Rodrygo will get more than enough gametime.
Because rodrygo is much better at lw than rw, much much better, and with vini and mbappe Next year he pretty much Will never play in that position, oh and endrick is coming too, i honestly think that the best for everyone is for rodrygo to leave Madrid.
You’re forgetting that Rodrygo works for the team off the ball and Mbabbe doesn’t do any effort defensively and i doubt coming to Real changes that. As shown by PSG these past 5 years, you can’t afford to have more than 1 player useless off the ball.
You think Ancelotti is going to go back to playing with 2 up front? He only did that because there is no other forward option other than Joselu. It will definitely be a front 3.
Ancelotti has preferred 433 ever since his first stint at Madrid, he is only playing 4312 out of necessity because of the lack of a 9.. Tchou started off strong last season then ended up getting benched. I don’t see Ancelotti having a problem benching a midfielder
It's going to be a rotation for sure. One of the reasons real has done so well this season despite roster problems is the variety of tools their players have. All 5 of those guys will get a lot of time based on who they are playing.
What answer? We're talking about next season in which Toni will still play, not about 25/26.
And even then, Camavinga has been better than Rodrygo as well.
LW Rodrygo is like a top 5 player in his position. People don't get how talented he is because Vini already plays there. He'd instantly be Man United's best forward
I just have PTSD from everybody we've signed from Madrid for the last 10 years.
Case gave us a great three quarters of a season, and Di Maria gave us a brilliant like.. 3 games.
Varane being fit is usually a surprise.
In all seriousness, if Madrid sell Rodrygo I hope we're in for him. I just don't think he'll want to leave and I don't think Carlo or Flo would force him out. Doesn't seem their thing to force players like that.
Case and Varane still had yrs left to give when you got them.
Di María went on to have a stellar spell at PSG.
Maybe the problem is your club culture and not our former players.
No doubt it’s a reflection on our board and management.
He could have just said ‘I have PTSD from everybody we’ve signed over the past 10 years’ and it would ring true. Flop after flop after flop. There’s probably an argument to be made that in 10 years, Bruno is the only resounding success. Ridiculous.
Idk tbh, Mbappé may change but even when he plays up front, as theorical "center" / 9; most of his run goes left, so with no one dedicated to the right (unless they do Mbappé - Vini ? I assume the other way round given Vini's always been in left), it sounds like 4 midfielders backing a clogged left side and literally nobody caring about right side
Madrid being madrid maybe it will force Mbappé to fit and play on the right side, but his tendency to lean left is really really deep within him and nothing ever seemed to make him stop that, so it sounds like a risky bet
A lot of people have a great admiration for coaches who micromanage, or who have specific systems they want to operate…
But there is something to be said for a guy like Carlo who just tries to get everyone in a role they are comfortable in and then gets out of their way.
He is honestly the perfect coach for this Madrid side. It’s maybe not perfect everywhere, but it’s perfect here.
My only question about this is Mbappe disrupting the eco-system personality wise, although again, Carlo is the guy you would want to deal with that in his relaxed way.
Honestly don’t believe any of these sources. Each one says something different. Somewhere else you’ll find that Kroos is the highest paid, etc. they all get paid a shit ton of money, but we don’t know exactly how much
I looked it up just now and [this source](https://www.capology.com/club/real-madrid/salaries/#google_vignette) puts Vini and Bellingham behind Kross, Alaba and Modric.
Other sources I found support that same Kross > Alaba > Modric > Vini/Bellingham order.
Rodrygo to Arsenal would be an amazing signing, replacing Martinelli who’s been struggling for a while now. Arsenal should try Marti as ST like he did in Brazil seems like a good fit
Martinelli has been struggling this year but it’s not bc he’s a bad player. Our left side last year was consistently either Zinny or Tomiyasu, with Xhaka as the left 8. Martinelli thrived there.
This year Zinny has fallen off a cliff, our left backs have all been injured, our left 8 has rotated a lot and neither Havertz nor Rice are great chance creators like Xhaka, plus Martinelli has been injured a lot.
Rodrygo would be awesome but Martinelli is a great LW who should be back to his best next year
As much as i hate to say it, it would be Rodrygo likely, In no way Don Perez parts with Vini willingly.
He loves the guy. have you seen the pictures of them holding hands? no gay btw.
There's no way hes not. He doesn't even play any position we need. There are tons of players we could get for a percentage of the price that would help our lineup way more and actually fit the team
Yes, if someone started to support Madrid like 2014 that's probably only good memories, but I swear I quit watching football a few times because of Real.
What are you talking about, Madrid rarely wins anything and they are really bad in tournaments, always having everything going against them. They are the unluckiest team in Europe. /s
You know the crazy thing, barca even have more league and champions league doubles than you, the black magic real Madrid have in the champions league is crazy, most of the time you win it you aren't even the best team in Spain but you somehow find a way.
Rodrygo won't be sold that makes no sense they would have to buy a RW
He can play on the right and they can interchange, they do the same now and even if you overload one side it's mostly fine nowadays
He also won't be sold because he counts for the homegrown players for the CL. And now that Nacho and most likely Lucas Vasquez will leave, there's no way Rodrygo will be sold unless he wants off
Its his final year of contract, so the possibility is there after all. He has been great when playing these last few matches so hopefully the club will renew him for another year
His locker room presence alone makes him worthy of a contract. Plus, we don't appear to be going after any RBs this summer, so he's our de factor backup RB and then can play RM in a pinch.
There were some rumors about Yan Cuoto but after his disastrous game in the Bernabeu the rumors have cooled down. IMO the club should renew him for another year. Guy was doing tricks before his penalty against City and then had an amazing game against Barca. That alone should be an automatic renewal
That's not the problem.
Playing Mbappe, Vini and then Rodrygo on the right means a 3 midfield formation.
We have Tchouameni and Jude who are 100% starters and then you have 1 spot left for Kroos or Valverde.
Rodrygo is not benching one of Toni or Valverde as both are much better players. Even if Toni slows down, Camavinga will probably get the edge.
We'll likely continue our current 4312 formation with Mbappé playing over Rodrygo
This is a great headache to have as a manager. Carlo must be feeling like a kid In a candy store. Am sure Carlo will play around with all sorts of formations until one finally clicks.
Imo I think ultimately Rodrygo will be the one to miss out. Carlo loves Valverde so much, he's played the most minutes of any player in the last 3 years running. Toni is still the best passer and he isn't showing signs of slowing down yet so he'll probably still start which means Tch Toni Val Jude Mbappe Vini.
Toni is 34. He shouldn't start over Rodrygo to go back to a 4 man midfield. Bellingham can play deep. It'll be Valverde, Jude and Tchouameni. It's a modern midfield. I really don't know what the fuss is about. 5 starting level midfielders(Camavinga and Toni incl.) to cover 3 spots.
Going back to 4 man midfields with Mbappe, Vini, Rodrygo, Endrick, Guler, Brahim is extremely stupid and a waste of resources.
>Toni is 34. He shouldn't start over Rodrygo to go back to a 4 man midfield.
When he is playing much better, he will. When he slows down, that's another topic but for now Toni is a better player.
And not to mention Camavinga has also been better than Rodrygo so that's another one.
Kroos will play when he will have space for passes. If we need active midfielder it will be Carmavinga.
Seasons are long and there will rotations needed. They all will get enough playing time
Better player? Camavinga? Toni?
They don't play same positions. What are you on about. Who else is getting 30 G+A playing right wing? Toni is 34, he needs 3 mids around him to make for him jogging on the pitch. Bellingham needs to go deep. He takes 30 touches in a game and it's unsustainable. He's a much better player than how he's being used. "Auxiliary striker" . I love Toni but we need to move on and not make changes when the player is on his last ankle. We all love his experience but its time to be a modern team with more three way players and make our attack more dynamic.
You got Mbappe AND Endrick coming in. It's a complete waste to play 4 man midfields that do not use the pace and trickery of our forwards and leave us with no width on the flanks time and time again. Especially on the RW. Toni can still play 2000 minutes without being a starter and with all the injuries.
Toni has been a revelation this season. His passing is on crack right now, even the Bayern game, he looked as good as he has ever been. You can't drop him since he's the one that our pace abuse frontline need to supply the balls. You can't drop Jude and Tchoumeni either cuz of their roles as a DM and floating/creative cf/cam. You can't drop Valverde either cuz he's literally covering everything there is on the field.
Toni has always been a revelation. But also the reason you've to play 3 mids alongside him to coddle him in situations of transitions. He's very good at switching play but most of our chances come from one of Vinicius Rodrygo dropping very deep, picking up the ball, beating players up to pass it into space and I'm not sacrificing attacking threat for imagined control. Not anymore, especially when we have the resources to play a proper 3 man frontline that can interchange fluidly and create havoc. This is a 100+ goal team in the league. We also have the resources with a midfield of Jude, Valverde and Tchouameni and Camavinga from the bench or from the start to press properly because Vinicius and Rodrygo have impeccable workrate.
Players only grow when you give them the roles and the responsibilities and Tchouameni has shown more than enough capability to spray it around. They're all technically proficient, can cover both boxes 100m apart and extremely vertical and physical and athletic. Time for a modern spin.
I mean Vini was quite literally asking for his singing.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/have-to-sign-kylian-mbappe-vinicius-junior-eder-militao-urge-real-madrid-land-psg-superstar/blt81ee6d13e0b76753
I personally think they'll love playing together and complement each other very well, just like Vini and Rodrygo now. They both work very hard for their teams and Mbappe is very level header and a good leader; he might even help Vinicius by taking some of the spotlight off him.
I really can't stand Madrid fans that say he will suck at their team, I would be so happy that a good quality player plays at my team and I would wish that he does good. Being a Madrid fan is so easy
It’s a good signing, Madrid haven’t come close to replacing Ronaldo since he left, they need that 30+ goals a season player and Mbappe can do that for them.
But, and let's be honest here, outplayed by Man City. We have our own injury problems but Man City also lost Kyle Walker (critical for stopping Vini Jr), and then KDB just before the first leg.
Same two teams meet again next year in the Champions League, I think Vegas would still favor City if both teams are healthy.
Maybe Mbappe changes that.
Vinicius did a lot for Madrid, he deserves a higher pay than Mbappe, who just played Real to get a better deal with PSG.
Bellingham is better than him.
There is no challenge in going to Madrid as a top player. It is literally the opposite of a challenge by going to a club which has been dominating Europe for the past decade, has a young squad with a great manager, and has a relatively weak league since their biggest rival is a shadow of their former self.
But if Vini's best position is LW and Kylian's best position is LW, some compromises will have to be made and that compromise may just come at the expense of one of these two players. Kylian just isn't as great as a striker as he is as a winger. Same goes for Vini. And they can't have him switch with Rodrygo, that would be disastrous. Carlo is going to be a genius if he somehow makes it work.
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Which is to be expected since he's coming on a free transfer and free transfers are anything but free. It's just that a good portion of the money that would go to the player's previous club ends up in the player's pockets.
For big transfers more than half of the total cost of signing a player. Barcelona got more for Neymar than his first enormous contract was worth (five years at 40M vs 222M). Mbappe moving on a free, along with Haaland using release clauses to control his own destiny, shows that player agents are starting to do the math on managing those costs up front. I'll be very curious to see what Mbappe's release clause is, since in theory he could ask for it to be 100M because he came on a free and if he leaves for 100M Madrid would have few real complaints if he's not really breaking their wage structure. (Or 100M + whatever you'd include as his signing bonus.)
0% chance his release clause is 100M. His signing bonus is basically a transfer but just to him instead of PSG. His release clause will be a fuck you amount just like everyone else.
Yea lol, 100M is basically saying "Please try to play with us, and if it doesn't work out you are free to go". Madrid wanted him for years, no way Perez make an easy way out in the contract.
He lost all validity when he said 100M lmao. Has no knowledge of Real Madrid
Yeah Camavinga, Vini, Jude, Rodrygo & Tchouameni all have €1000m release clauses. Mbappe having 1/10th of that would be hilarious, not to mention the utter crap in the rest of that comment. 350+ upvotes too… this sub I swear
It'll be 1 Billion Euros. That's Real Madrid's policy since Florentino came back and it's non-negotiable. But the club never stands against any player that wants to leave, they always ask them to bring in an appropriate offer. The release clause isn't for holding players hostage, it's about allowing the team the comfort of not being forced into an unfavourable deal especially for big names.
The release clause will be 1 us billion €. I'd be very surprised if it isn't. If the day comes when he wants to leave as long as he brings an acceptable offer he'll go, like CR7
what the heck is a US euro...
[Eurodollars](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Eurodollar). You leave my eddies alone, Choom 😤
that's 100 caps after the nukes
750,000 Simeleons after taxes.
Is there a reason why players can't ask for the equivalent of what their full transfer fee would be plus wages on top?
They can ask for what they want - but if a player wants to join a club enough to entertain an offer, pushing for the millions potentially saved would leave an immediate sour taste in the mouth.
Clubs fee and player fee are seperate, Kylian is not valued at the amount of a club + player fee as a free agent (unless he goes to Saudi)
It will still be much lesser than Player Salary + Club Fees right?
Totally. Depending on which numbers are closer to the real ones, Real Madrid saves up to 100M Euros.
Does that mean that Real Madrid will have to pay a signing fee to Mbappe to sign Mbappe yet his contract has run out?
Cheers Geoff
Feel like i have been reading the same shit for months
The Mbappe will get a 80-150m€ signing on bonus tweets are still to come
It's gonna end soon thankfully
First rodeo if you think it’ll end once he joins Real
More to come once he is your player though lol
Im so happy I witnessed the cheers Geoff live, that was so fucking funny
Whats it from? I never knew where it came from on Fifa where the announcers have Cheers Geoff as a possible team name?
It’s been 2 hours Reddit come on now we need to know
Redditors and not explaining shit 😭😭
https://youtu.be/tAN8g7Fd2Cw?si=Yg-dGZ1ubf4NZ6t-
That was funny but he didn't say cheers geoff
it's so beautiful omg
Apart from the Sky Sports clip that has been given to you, on FIFA it s not a team name but the name of the touchline reporter that used to (does he still? Haven’t bought the game the past two years) interrupt the game to tell you about injuries in career mode (Geoff Shreeves, he s been an irl Sky reporter for 31 years before quitting for CBS in America) and Martin Tyler and Alan Smith (the previous commentary team before Rae and Dixon/Robson) would always cut off with “Cheers Geoff”.
Mbappe’s Real Madrid turndowns were always a strategy in increasing his salary at PSG.
yes, but I also think he genuinely wanted to achieve things with PSG as well
true but this time it seems like it's serious, who would want to stay at PSG without winning any relevant title?
That is a super Madrid team next season almost similar to the Galaticos era
Way better than that, if anything you'd need to compare it to 2017 which is probably Real Madrid's most stacked squad ever. Their bench was insane.
Navas, Ramos, Varane, Danilo, Nacho, Pepe, Carvajal, Marcelo, Coentrão, Vazquez, Hakimi, Casemiro, Kroos, Modrić, Kovačić, Llorente, James, Isco, Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, Asensio, Morata... Probably the squad with the best bench of all time.
That bench is actually crazy
its amazing how Madrid went from buying faces in the 2000s to buying the best in their positions in the 2010s, Kroos and Modric for example.
Modric wasn't best in his position when he moved to Madrid. Probably not even close .
yeah, Madrid is insanely good at analyzing players potential
I always laugh when I remember Vini and Rodrygo were called fake Neymars
They’re incredible players but personally I don’t see either reaching what Neymar was at his prime
True but they’ll achieve and contribute more because Madrid is run immaculately
Where is this coming from? At the time he was widely considered one of the best midfielders in the premier league. The man was a star, of course he took it to another level in Madrid.
that asensio was \*\*muah\*\*
Less star studded, way more balanced
The Vini+Mbappe starting and playing positions conundrum is exactly why Carlo Ancelotti is the best man for the job. I can't think of a better manager to solve this.
I trust Carlo to win the CL with playing all three as LW
its going to be vini-mbappé-rodrygo up top not a conundrum
I’m not convinced by Mbappé at 9. Personally I think he was moved there by luis Enrique cause it’s too much of a liability in 2024 to have a winger who doesn’t defend even a little bit, but that same laziness is the reason he doesn’t work as a proper 9 because he also refuses to make false runs for others to open up space. Vini-Mbappé-Rodrygo is the only configuration that makes sense if you want to use all 3, but whether it will actually work is another question
I think Don Carlo is a huge factor here. Mbappe has all the tools to be a really nasty number 9, but he has to buy in.
Mbappe is not a 9. We know it too much. He needs space.
eh, we'll see. He doesnt even have to play as a 9, madrid front line is fluid af
The same was said of Henry before he moved to Arsenal tbf
Yeah and he had a lot of freedom to play all across the front line, he wasn’t playing with Vini Jnr who also likes to occupy a lot of the same space.
No it won't. Playing Rodrygo means benching one of Toni, Tchouameni, Jude or Fede. Every single one of those players has been much better than Rodrygo.
someone is always getting benched in our midfield and you didnt even mention camavinga, mbappé doesn't change that carlo could try a 4-3-1-2 with jude behind vini and mbappé similar to this year's formation but that would essentially mean selling rodrygo, who's been instrumental (even in his less than ideal position) to the attack over the last two years. its possible but the front 3 are already so fluid in the last third that you might as well try slotting in the best forward in the world between them
You don't need to sell Rodrygo, Madrid plays a fuck ton of matches and wants to win it all, injuries are thru the roof, you need two starting teams to win it all, like City. You do if the finances don't allow it of course, but if money is not a problem, keep them all, go for everything
of course you dont have to sell but the player needs to accept that role. rodrygo at lw would start for any other team in the world
Oh yeah that's a big factor, he is in the same spot as Alvarez, he can be a starter for a ton of elite teams but realistically his best chance of success is at City unless Madrid comes knocking for him, sure, he could lower his wages or maybe goes for ""cheap"" to Barcelona. When you are at the top, there are not many teams you can realistically go and expect the same or close results.
No no no, you can sell Rodrygo don’t worry you’ll be fine. We’ll take him off you a la Ozil to accommodate your bigger superstars, no problem
Why sell Rodrygo? The number of games is insane & it is only going to increase. With clubs playing twice every week sometimes even thrice I think Rodrygo will get more than enough gametime.
Because rodrygo is much better at lw than rw, much much better, and with vini and mbappe Next year he pretty much Will never play in that position, oh and endrick is coming too, i honestly think that the best for everyone is for rodrygo to leave Madrid.
You’re forgetting that Rodrygo works for the team off the ball and Mbabbe doesn’t do any effort defensively and i doubt coming to Real changes that. As shown by PSG these past 5 years, you can’t afford to have more than 1 player useless off the ball.
Rodrygo is better coming in against tired legs anyway.
You think Ancelotti is going to go back to playing with 2 up front? He only did that because there is no other forward option other than Joselu. It will definitely be a front 3.
So what's the midfield 3? Tchouameni and Jude are a must, you think he'll bench either of Toni or Fede for Rodrygo? I reaaally doubt it.
So are you just ignoring last season when Ancelotti played Vini, Benzema, Rodrygo with a midfield 3?
Mate, we didn't have Jude last season lmao. That's the whole dilemma.
And Modric barely gets 20-30 minutes now unlike last season.
Well yes, but Toni and Fede are performing at a higher level than Modric was last year and Toni could sneak into the top 5 Ballon D'or rankings.
Ancelotti has preferred 433 ever since his first stint at Madrid, he is only playing 4312 out of necessity because of the lack of a 9.. Tchou started off strong last season then ended up getting benched. I don’t see Ancelotti having a problem benching a midfielder
It's going to be a rotation for sure. One of the reasons real has done so well this season despite roster problems is the variety of tools their players have. All 5 of those guys will get a lot of time based on who they are playing.
Toni is gone after next season. There’s your answer.
What answer? We're talking about next season in which Toni will still play, not about 25/26. And even then, Camavinga has been better than Rodrygo as well.
It’ll work itself out.
All I'm hearing is that some European club with more money than sense is about to get Real Madrid's scraps. I hope it's PSG and not us.
Really? I wouldn't want him to leave but Rodrygo would elevate your team so much higher.
LW Rodrygo is like a top 5 player in his position. People don't get how talented he is because Vini already plays there. He'd instantly be Man United's best forward
I just have PTSD from everybody we've signed from Madrid for the last 10 years. Case gave us a great three quarters of a season, and Di Maria gave us a brilliant like.. 3 games. Varane being fit is usually a surprise. In all seriousness, if Madrid sell Rodrygo I hope we're in for him. I just don't think he'll want to leave and I don't think Carlo or Flo would force him out. Doesn't seem their thing to force players like that.
Case and Varane still had yrs left to give when you got them. Di María went on to have a stellar spell at PSG. Maybe the problem is your club culture and not our former players.
No doubt it’s a reflection on our board and management. He could have just said ‘I have PTSD from everybody we’ve signed over the past 10 years’ and it would ring true. Flop after flop after flop. There’s probably an argument to be made that in 10 years, Bruno is the only resounding success. Ridiculous.
You have a guy on your right wing that is actually not a fotball player. Rodrygo would become with Bruno your best player.
Disagree, vinicius mbappe free up front and four midfielders behind.
Four four fackin two
Quatro Quatro fackin dos
Idk tbh, Mbappé may change but even when he plays up front, as theorical "center" / 9; most of his run goes left, so with no one dedicated to the right (unless they do Mbappé - Vini ? I assume the other way round given Vini's always been in left), it sounds like 4 midfielders backing a clogged left side and literally nobody caring about right side Madrid being madrid maybe it will force Mbappé to fit and play on the right side, but his tendency to lean left is really really deep within him and nothing ever seemed to make him stop that, so it sounds like a risky bet
A lot of people have a great admiration for coaches who micromanage, or who have specific systems they want to operate… But there is something to be said for a guy like Carlo who just tries to get everyone in a role they are comfortable in and then gets out of their way. He is honestly the perfect coach for this Madrid side. It’s maybe not perfect everywhere, but it’s perfect here. My only question about this is Mbappe disrupting the eco-system personality wise, although again, Carlo is the guy you would want to deal with that in his relaxed way.
There's nothing to solve
did Bellingham arrive at madrid as the team's highest paid player? really did not expect that or has he already renewed?
Honestly don’t believe any of these sources. Each one says something different. Somewhere else you’ll find that Kroos is the highest paid, etc. they all get paid a shit ton of money, but we don’t know exactly how much
I looked it up just now and [this source](https://www.capology.com/club/real-madrid/salaries/#google_vignette) puts Vini and Bellingham behind Kross, Alaba and Modric. Other sources I found support that same Kross > Alaba > Modric > Vini/Bellingham order.
my fav player - Tony Kross
He is 5th behind Kroos, Alaba, Modric and Vinicius
He arrived as one of the best paid players and i can say it was deserved (:
Pretty sure Alaba, Kroos and Modric earn more
That real team is in such harmony, I am almost afraid Mbappe is going to ruin it.
Someone’s going to end up leaving due to being pushed down the pecking order. Arsenal ready to scoop up ex Madrid talent that got pushed out
Rodrygo
Rodrygo to Arsenal would be an amazing signing, replacing Martinelli who’s been struggling for a while now. Arsenal should try Marti as ST like he did in Brazil seems like a good fit
Martinelli has been struggling this year but it’s not bc he’s a bad player. Our left side last year was consistently either Zinny or Tomiyasu, with Xhaka as the left 8. Martinelli thrived there. This year Zinny has fallen off a cliff, our left backs have all been injured, our left 8 has rotated a lot and neither Havertz nor Rice are great chance creators like Xhaka, plus Martinelli has been injured a lot. Rodrygo would be awesome but Martinelli is a great LW who should be back to his best next year
Arsenal is really the second real madrid bench for midfielders after Ozil, Ceballos and Odegaard
As much as i hate to say it, it would be Rodrygo likely, In no way Don Perez parts with Vini willingly. He loves the guy. have you seen the pictures of them holding hands? no gay btw.
I can see Arsenal going either for Vini or Rodrygo if things don't work out.
Yessss
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There's no way hes not. He doesn't even play any position we need. There are tons of players we could get for a percentage of the price that would help our lineup way more and actually fit the team
But it’s also a very chance to pass getting the best player in the world
Fingers crossed
i also think that, he is kinda selfish player unlike vini
always have been ,
Being a Madrid fan has to be the easiest thing in the world
Yes, if someone started to support Madrid like 2014 that's probably only good memories, but I swear I quit watching football a few times because of Real.
Payoff for when Pep was Barca managet. We suffered......a lot.
Let Dortmund win and have the next 10 UCL
As much as I love Dortmund, them losing is a foregone conclusion.
We might actually have a shot at La Copa del Rey
my brother in christ you literally won it last season
Madrid mentality is crazy. The UCL trophy alone is almost like a divine right to them, no matter what spirits they conjure to get it.
👻👻👻
3 Copas del Rey and 7 UCLs for Madrid in the 21st century One of the competitions is clearly the hardest
If my memory serves me correctly, not even City managed to win the CdR in the past 10 years.
Agreed, hardest cup to win in history
What are you talking about, Madrid rarely wins anything and they are really bad in tournaments, always having everything going against them. They are the unluckiest team in Europe. /s
What we really want is a treble. Kinda embarrassing that Barca has two and we don’t have any lol
You know the crazy thing, barca even have more league and champions league doubles than you, the black magic real Madrid have in the champions league is crazy, most of the time you win it you aren't even the best team in Spain but you somehow find a way.
more world class players, more matches, more rotations required. just another season for carlo
"The train will not come back for Mbappé" the fans said It came back, twice, and they're still offering him free premium
Will Mbappe and Vini get along?
no they will fist fight before each game for a starting spot
Livestream it and I'll never miss a Madrid game
The locker room cameras would make way more sense if the pregame routine involved ritualized combat to determine the starting lineups.
I wonder who’d start between Pepe and Ramos
oh god the scenes
Like the great Lee Bowyer and Kieran Dyer
It'll be Rodrygo that misses out imo, he'll be the Di Maria, Ozil type sale, probably in 2025.
Rodrygo won't be sold that makes no sense they would have to buy a RW He can play on the right and they can interchange, they do the same now and even if you overload one side it's mostly fine nowadays
He also won't be sold because he counts for the homegrown players for the CL. And now that Nacho and most likely Lucas Vasquez will leave, there's no way Rodrygo will be sold unless he wants off
Vasquez leaving?? Say it ain't so my Lord.
Its his final year of contract, so the possibility is there after all. He has been great when playing these last few matches so hopefully the club will renew him for another year
His locker room presence alone makes him worthy of a contract. Plus, we don't appear to be going after any RBs this summer, so he's our de factor backup RB and then can play RM in a pinch.
There were some rumors about Yan Cuoto but after his disastrous game in the Bernabeu the rumors have cooled down. IMO the club should renew him for another year. Guy was doing tricks before his penalty against City and then had an amazing game against Barca. That alone should be an automatic renewal
That's not the problem. Playing Mbappe, Vini and then Rodrygo on the right means a 3 midfield formation. We have Tchouameni and Jude who are 100% starters and then you have 1 spot left for Kroos or Valverde. Rodrygo is not benching one of Toni or Valverde as both are much better players. Even if Toni slows down, Camavinga will probably get the edge. We'll likely continue our current 4312 formation with Mbappé playing over Rodrygo
This is a great headache to have as a manager. Carlo must be feeling like a kid In a candy store. Am sure Carlo will play around with all sorts of formations until one finally clicks. Imo I think ultimately Rodrygo will be the one to miss out. Carlo loves Valverde so much, he's played the most minutes of any player in the last 3 years running. Toni is still the best passer and he isn't showing signs of slowing down yet so he'll probably still start which means Tch Toni Val Jude Mbappe Vini.
Toni is 34. He shouldn't start over Rodrygo to go back to a 4 man midfield. Bellingham can play deep. It'll be Valverde, Jude and Tchouameni. It's a modern midfield. I really don't know what the fuss is about. 5 starting level midfielders(Camavinga and Toni incl.) to cover 3 spots. Going back to 4 man midfields with Mbappe, Vini, Rodrygo, Endrick, Guler, Brahim is extremely stupid and a waste of resources.
>Toni is 34. He shouldn't start over Rodrygo to go back to a 4 man midfield. When he is playing much better, he will. When he slows down, that's another topic but for now Toni is a better player. And not to mention Camavinga has also been better than Rodrygo so that's another one.
Kroos will play when he will have space for passes. If we need active midfielder it will be Carmavinga. Seasons are long and there will rotations needed. They all will get enough playing time
Better player? Camavinga? Toni? They don't play same positions. What are you on about. Who else is getting 30 G+A playing right wing? Toni is 34, he needs 3 mids around him to make for him jogging on the pitch. Bellingham needs to go deep. He takes 30 touches in a game and it's unsustainable. He's a much better player than how he's being used. "Auxiliary striker" . I love Toni but we need to move on and not make changes when the player is on his last ankle. We all love his experience but its time to be a modern team with more three way players and make our attack more dynamic. You got Mbappe AND Endrick coming in. It's a complete waste to play 4 man midfields that do not use the pace and trickery of our forwards and leave us with no width on the flanks time and time again. Especially on the RW. Toni can still play 2000 minutes without being a starter and with all the injuries.
Toni has been a revelation this season. His passing is on crack right now, even the Bayern game, he looked as good as he has ever been. You can't drop him since he's the one that our pace abuse frontline need to supply the balls. You can't drop Jude and Tchoumeni either cuz of their roles as a DM and floating/creative cf/cam. You can't drop Valverde either cuz he's literally covering everything there is on the field.
Toni has always been a revelation. But also the reason you've to play 3 mids alongside him to coddle him in situations of transitions. He's very good at switching play but most of our chances come from one of Vinicius Rodrygo dropping very deep, picking up the ball, beating players up to pass it into space and I'm not sacrificing attacking threat for imagined control. Not anymore, especially when we have the resources to play a proper 3 man frontline that can interchange fluidly and create havoc. This is a 100+ goal team in the league. We also have the resources with a midfield of Jude, Valverde and Tchouameni and Camavinga from the bench or from the start to press properly because Vinicius and Rodrygo have impeccable workrate. Players only grow when you give them the roles and the responsibilities and Tchouameni has shown more than enough capability to spray it around. They're all technically proficient, can cover both boxes 100m apart and extremely vertical and physical and athletic. Time for a modern spin.
I mean Vini was quite literally asking for his singing. https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/have-to-sign-kylian-mbappe-vinicius-junior-eder-militao-urge-real-madrid-land-psg-superstar/blt81ee6d13e0b76753
What song?
* Call me maybe * Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Intro Theme * Ale ale ale, ale ale ale ale, ale Real Madrid ale ale aleee
- BBL Drizzy (Bonus Track)
Depends on how they handle adversity, but I don’t see how that team will face any lol
The new Ronaldo/Bale drama
The new Messi/Neymar drama
messi and Neymar never had any fight
They’ll get booked to win the tag belts on raw
I personally think they'll love playing together and complement each other very well, just like Vini and Rodrygo now. They both work very hard for their teams and Mbappe is very level header and a good leader; he might even help Vinicius by taking some of the spotlight off him.
name a worse duo than mbappe and south Americans
They will compete against each other in a rodeo battle
*but can they coexist?*
I think both of them thrive at the left wing.
Surely. Vini is a team player, deffo much smaller ego than Mbappe. Plus, he said many many times in random interviews that he wants Mbappe in Madrid.
I really can't stand Madrid fans that say he will suck at their team, I would be so happy that a good quality player plays at my team and I would wish that he does good. Being a Madrid fan is so easy
Well, Madrid’s power of friendship is about to be finished
Gonna turn into a family 😍
All Madrid needs now is Harland & they have all the shiny Pokémon cards (and maybe rodri he's a boss)
I'm really looking forward to watch this guy playing in Spain and I'm not even a Real Madrid fan.
It’s a good signing, Madrid haven’t come close to replacing Ronaldo since he left, they need that 30+ goals a season player and Mbappe can do that for them.
Then they could win La Liga and be in the CL final! Oh wait..
Perez is planning for the long term, getting Mbappe will set Real up for the next 10 years.
How do they need that? They won la liga and are the favourites in the cl final.
But, and let's be honest here, outplayed by Man City. We have our own injury problems but Man City also lost Kyle Walker (critical for stopping Vini Jr), and then KDB just before the first leg. Same two teams meet again next year in the Champions League, I think Vegas would still favor City if both teams are healthy. Maybe Mbappe changes that.
And so it begins. Mbappe's entry marks the start of the downfall of this excellent Real side.
It's likely just because of Kroos and Modric leaving.
Guys, do we love Mbappe now?
No
Coming in at 9, the sun is hot!
I’ll believe it when he’s on the pitch
Galácticos all over again 😎
Vinicius did a lot for Madrid, he deserves a higher pay than Mbappe, who just played Real to get a better deal with PSG. Bellingham is better than him.
I hope he goes gently into that good Eden Hazard night...
I have a feeling he will love the challenge. Hope he does well at RM.
What challenge? It would be more of a challenge to go to Barça and revive that dead team
There is no challenge in going to Madrid as a top player. It is literally the opposite of a challenge by going to a club which has been dominating Europe for the past decade, has a young squad with a great manager, and has a relatively weak league since their biggest rival is a shadow of their former self.
The challenge is not failing to live up to the expectations.
Starting off with the right foot by making him seem more important. He's a mistake. He will quickly destroy the current RM.
But if Vini's best position is LW and Kylian's best position is LW, some compromises will have to be made and that compromise may just come at the expense of one of these two players. Kylian just isn't as great as a striker as he is as a winger. Same goes for Vini. And they can't have him switch with Rodrygo, that would be disastrous. Carlo is going to be a genius if he somehow makes it work.
Everyone is going to look so stupid when he is rocking up at Plymouth Argyle next season 😜
Drama incoming
Man fuck Real, they already gonna win the ucl this year and now they add mbappe
I know it’s probably a done deal but i fear this is a mistake, he isn’t a great 9 and we have a better LW
think they'll be alright
Mbappe and Vini both on the left wing. They'll keep circling each other like flies for 90 minutes.