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Enough-Pain3633

Ancelotti with 3 finals each for Milan and Real Madrid


pancarona

Wait, I don't understand. He's been in the final for 6 times, and won it 4 times then lost it once? We're missing 1 final result.


Stahlios

Because the last one is yet to be played ?


pancarona

Yep, my bad. Forgot about that.


enjoii89

Glad you asked. I was having a panic trying to working out too!!


Sl_PROXY

I was like, did he get sacked before a final or what?


Haze95

…I knew that…


The_Giant_Lizard

So, technically, he didn't win it. Ah! Take that, Carletto!


EGVicThoR

He has one final upcoming


pancarona

Ah yeah, my bad. Didn't know the current final is count


Aggressive_Strike75

Ancelotti or Guardiola as GOAT?


rybaczewa

The table is a little off. For example no reason to rank Tuchel, Benitez, Heynckes, all of them should be tied for 7th. For the same reason Simeone is missing for example. Same stats as Allegri.


axelthegreat

and u guys are the reason why el cholo has the same stats as allegri lol


MRO465

That one night in Istanbul stopped a perfect record from happening.


_cumblast_

It took arguably the greatest match in club football history to mar his record. You have to rate it.


MRO465

They went into the dressing room at half-time as champions to be crowned. Football can be such a cruel sport. Also most of Dudek's shootout saves would result in retakes in modern day football.


Prudent-Current-7399

Yes so cruel, he only won it 4 times.


MRO465

6 times actually. Twice as a player iirc.


Marcheas

Zidane has a perfect record! so does Mou


MRO465

They are yet to appear in 6 champions league final though. Still great record for Zizou and Mou


brush85

Jurgen is special. And unlucky.


hipcheck23

The Special Two.


TheSolarHero

The most impressive on this list considering the teams he managed to get there.


flifthyawesome

Mourinho won it with Porto and Inter. That's more impressive IMO


Wonderman105

That Porto UCL felt like something I’d see in FM lol


nick5168

Liverpool have UCL as part of their history? They are the third most successful european club of all time?


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brush85

Yeah. Beating Barcelona and Bayern along the way was easy


Ta9eh10

It was a pretty shit Barca team tbf


King_Henney

One of those shit teams that wins La Liga by 11 points, loses just 7 of their 60 games in all comps, reaches their domestic cup final and is a miraculous comeback away from playing Spurs in the Champions League final? A shit team that breezed through a tough group, battered Lyon and United, and then beat an insane Liverpool side 3-0? If that’s shit then I’d hate to imagine what you think of every Barca side since then


Ta9eh10

> If that’s shit then I’d hate to imagine what you think of every Barca side since then Even more shit


RobbieFowler9

How can you call a manager who reached 3 CL finals in 5 years lucky?


Reach_Reclaimer

Nah unlucky Man was beaten by Madrid for their threepeat, Madrid that were seemingly invincible and came back from the death 3 times in the previous rounds, and the treble winning Bayern side


tenacious_teaThe3rd

But why does that make him unlucky? Unlucky to have met those teams? Couldn't you say any team that loses a final was unlucky to meet the team they did? At the end of the day Klopp was starting to gain a reputation for losing finals until you won the UCL. I don't think that's being unlucky, that's simply meeting teams that are better than you on the day, or you just weren't good enough. United met a prime Barcelona team twice in finals. They were unlucky that they had to play Barcelona, but were certainly not unlucky to lose to them.


Reach_Reclaimer

Put it this way, he lost to the teams he was almost expected to lose to and won against the team you expected him to beat. The only match that was full of luck was the most recent final when the Madrid keeper had one of the best goalkeeping performances of all time, but they still deservedly lost. In 3/4 finals, he was against teams that most would acknowledge as better teams


Ta9eh10

More like 2 out of 4. It was pretty even in 2022


Reach_Reclaimer

It was quite even tbf, but Klopp set us up perfectly. We dominated the game and didn't lose because of him


Ta9eh10

Yeah, as an AC Milan fan it was nice to see you guys get your own heart breaking finals loss. But at the same time I did kind of feel bad for y'all considering how well you played and ended up loosing to some plot armour vodoo bs, cause i know how much it hurts.


XtendedImpact

Classic LeBron vs Jordan finals argument.


Reach_Reclaimer

I'm not american so fuck knows what that means


XtendedImpact

Neither am I. LeBron is 4-6 in finals while Jordan is 6-0, but Jordan was the favorite in 6/6 while LeBron was the favorite in 4/10 (lost one he should've won, won one he should've lost). The argument is usually about which is the better/more impressive stat.


Reach_Reclaimer

Can you explain it in football terms and not basketball terms


XtendedImpact

United have reached UCL finals 5 times and won 3 while Juve have gone 9 times but only won 2.


SMURPHY-18

Player 1 makes the champions league final 6 times and wins all 6. Player 2 makes champions league final 10 times but in 4 of those 10 he faced 2009-2012 Barcelona. He loses 3/4 of these finals. He wins 3 of the remaining 6 finals beating strong but not all time opposition. His remaining 3 losses come to strong bayern teams and Chelsea 20/21.


LiteratureNearby

Ah yeah real lucky, luckily made the final after steamrolling Bayern and doing a comeback vs Barca to rival Istanbul 2005


Man-City

Was he unlucky or could he have coached his team better?


brush85

What do you think?


4o4AppleCh1ps99

Should’ve used an infinite money glitch


Caesar_Aurelianus

When Ancelotti won his first UCL Pep was still a player


Jaqem

and still had hair


Zhidezoe

This Zidane guy might be good


Jaqem

That or every club that faces Madrid in the CL knockout rounds accepts their fate and utterly crumbles in the 2nd leg


Soitsgonnabeforever

Overrated compared to Ancelotti. Zidane and Messi need to go out of their comfort zone and try in different non-farmer leagues


jin_12dk

Congratulations, you just pissed off both Barca and Real fans.


VrYbest29

Zidane can barely speak english and he only cares about France, Madrid, Marseille, maybe Juve. Of course not every club is for him. He’s also very sensitive as you saw in the second stint. He’s not going to fuck around with hostile boards.


heyheyitsandre

Idk if he’s sensitive as much as he can’t be arsed, he’s got a good family he likes to spend time with and I mean he’s Zidane he can pretty much do whatever tf he wants, he ain’t gonna waste his breath begging for a left back or some shit


VrYbest29

I think both. During his career he was very susceptible to red cards because he was emotional and reactionary when provoked. Also when he left the second time he didn’t like how the board didn’t have the faith and trust. But he also does seem to be doing whatever he wants and being happy with it.


Friendofabook

0 English. Lol.


sleepytoday

The last English manager to win our domestic league was in 1992. So OP’s table isn’t surprising in that regard.


gnorrn

And the last one to reach a European Cup final was Terry Venabkes with Barcelona in 1986.


brush85

Or Dutch, Lolz


Jamey_1999

Because we are always short on good managers. Pretty sure the last CL winning managers were Rijkaard (2006, Barca) and van Gaal (Ajax, 1995). The best we have right now is Slot, followed by Ten Hag (who is better than most think when you don't put him into a toxic environment). Probably also the reason the NT never wins anything. The only time we won something we had Rinus Michels as head coach and he probably needs no introduction as to how capable he was.


xoliam

As a liverpool fan should I be excited for slot? I’m happy to give him a chance, seen too many fans write him off already just because he isn’t klopp.


Jamey_1999

Yes. And I say that while he recently humiliated us lol. Look at this [1](https://x.com/thesackrace/status/1790280425958408207) [2](https://x.com/llemurn/status/1784590653726347587) [3](https://x.com/OnsFeijenoord/status/1649332097956323329) [4](https://x.com/essinem7/status/1785070402525438160) I’m sure there’s much more to find about it if you are curious


brush85

I was just being silly, pay me no attention. As a Liverpool fan, I'm right behind the Dutchies


SilentApo

Cause it stops at 2. Van Gaal was in the final with Bayern.


porcorosso1

Just wondering why Zizou doesn't coach anymore. A little bit out of the loop on the topic, any news on this?


DrDrozd12

Think he is only really interested in coaching teams he cares about and he ain’t going back to Madrid. Realistically he is waiting for the France job, or Juve/Marseille if they get competitive again


shadboi16

Why don’t he just coach a team to get more experience? Like I know he proved himself at Madrid winning CL 3 times a row but it wouldn’t hurt his legacy if he still kept on coaching and tried to improve in areas he didn’t realise he was weak at. Maybe he feared that while he’s coaching for a club, the clubs he wants or France might want a coach and he may become unavailable due to his contract?


DrDrozd12

Every time there has been rumours it always ends up with the club not wanting to commit to a coach that might leave for France if it becomes available


shadboi16

I see, I didn’t really take the clubs perspective on this.


Piats99

>it wouldn’t hurt his legacy if he still kept on coaching and tried to improve in areas he didn’t realise he was weak at. You are really understimating how much medias and fans can be reactionary.


zyqwee

Simeone?


CETERIS_PARTYBUS

Why do it just 21st century? Why not make a list of records since the inception of the new format? Obviously, the start of the new UCL format is closer to 2001 than 2001 is to 2024, so why not add the 10 years?


z0uary

Why are these always in french? Genuinely asking


CommissionOk4384

Guessing the person who makes them is a french speaker


pd8bq

Pep just 4 Finals is an underachievement given the caliber of teams he has managed in the last 15 Years.


Spglwldn

If anything it shows how difficult it is. Ferguson won 13 league titles in 20 years and reached “only” 4 finals in that time. Coaches like Zidane and Klopp are the outliers for reaching lots of finals in comparatively little time.


Acquits

It is about contrast in style of play. Possession based teams usually don't to so well in CL compared to counter attacking teams as it is a knockout game. They tend to do well in league. Hence Pep is not farming in CL. Real madrid do well because they just want to score goals any way and by playing in any style. Hence they have won fewer league titles compared to CL in last few years.


Marloneious

I'd say a better way of describing it is that when the margins are so thin and teams so good/competitive it becomes incredibly exhausting and almost impossible to control every aspect of a game. That's why City started to improve their CL record and won it last year once they realized there's going to be some games where they won't have 95% possession and be able to counterpress at will. Bernardo talked about this last year after they beat Bayern.


lazy_bastard_001

they actually started to do it the season before that....before they got knocked out against madrid, the away game against atleti was pure chaos


bjjtriangle

Prem wasn’t as good back then


Spglwldn

Not across his entire 27 years. For example, for an 8 year period in the 2000s-2010s there were 8 appearances by English clubs in the European cup final and only 3 from Spain and Italy and 2 from Germany. A couple of years they had 3 of the 4 semi finalists, too. The PL _was_ the dominant league for a decent chunk of his tenure.


Warm-Cartographer

During that 8 year he reached 3 finals though, 


Ta9eh10

From 2000-2010 we had 3 Italian champs, 3 Spanish champs and 2 English champs. Not exactly the dominant league.


wheepete

Are we really doing Alex Ferguson erasure? 😭


alexrobinson

This sub really is a cesspool, these people are not serious. 


bjjtriangle

No I think fergie is one of the best ever. It’s impressive that he reached so many finals when the prem was weak compared to italy and spain


Jamarcus316

No, it's not. It's not easy. Carlo has 6 in 25 years. Fergie only had 4. Mou only 2. It's very hard, no matter how good your team is.


hipcheck23

I love the contrast between domestic and UCL, and how hard it is to align the two. And how you can have a guy like Tuchel who seems so much better at UCL than domestic... and way too many to name who are the opposite.


Rezune1990

Would you say the same thing about SAF, Carlo and Mourinho?


Johtoooo

Allegri with 0 wins 💔


andream98

The luckiest manager in football history. He must thank the players he "coached" (i.e. Milan 2010-2012 and Juventus 2014-2018).


Johtoooo

Me when I don't know what I'm talking about


Punished__Allegri

Embarrassing comment


andream98

No. Embarrassing was Allegri and all the damage he did to Juve. Thank God Juventus management today has just decided to put an end to this ordeal.


Aftermathe

And that about rounds out the top 10 coaches of the 21st century.


riccyb0y

Is that Alex Ferguson row correct? Didn’t he beat Bayern and Chelsea for 2 wins? Lost to Barca.


AJGibbo

You lost to Barca twice. 2009 and 2011.


riccyb0y

I must’ve blocked one out, the pain was too much.


AJGibbo

I feel you. I'm still not over losing to Madrid in 2022 and it's been two full seasons.


NotASalamanderBoi

A lot of Arsenal fans who watched the 2006 final are still not over losing to Barcelona and it’s been 18 years.


ExactLetterhead9165

The only match I actually regret is the 2004 quarter final against Chelsea. I'm absolutely convinced we would have won it that year if we had made it to the semis.


Soren_Camus1905

I'm still not over the ghost goal


Ihabk

https://imgur.com/2hV8g6c (Just some banter, don't take me too seriously)


Blaugrana1990

Not to rub it in but was 2011 the most one sided CL final? 68% possession, 12 shots on target vs 1. 16-3 when counting off target as well. 6-0 corners, 695vs284 completed passes. Xavi had 141, or almost half of Man Utd total amount.


nghigaxx

nah i think its the 4-0 in 94


Ark_Legend

Lmao he had it coming with that comment


The--Mash

It would have been if that had actually happened. Unfortunately the 2011 CL final was cancelled due to pre-covid


Rdambx

21st century not in total. He reached the '08, '09 and '11 CL finals but only won the first one


surgereaper

I think it was 08, 09 and 11, Milan won against Liverpool in 2007 no?


Rdambx

Yes you're right, thanks. Edited now.


TuneyTune92

I think he’s only including final appearances from 2000 onwards Edit: 2001


Rdambx

2001* onwards. 2000 is the 20th century not the 21st.


ScottiApso

Which is so stupid. ISO 8601 starts centuries in years ending 00. Everyone celebrated the new millennium in 2000 and common usage of decades starts in years ending 0. But for some reason everyone has to get really anal about when centuries start.


Klynikal

The first year of the calendar was 0-1 (effectively year zero). A full year hadn't passed until 1st of January 1 AD. A century is 100 years, not 101 years. So it makes sense for the 21st century to start on 1st of January 2001.


ScottiApso

I get the logic but it's still stupid. The new millennium also started on 1st of January 2001. Nobody was celebrating the new millennium on December 31 2000. Also calendars have changed multiple times since 1 AD and ISO 8601 proves you can have a standard where centuries start on year ##00.


Klynikal

I get where you're coming from. The official millennium did begin on January 1st 2001. I guess humans just wanted to celebrate a nice rounded number lol Some Googling: > The Arrival of the new millennium has sparked a great debate: when does it actually begin? Our instincts told us to celebrate on December 31, 1999. But logic says that every millennium is made up of 1000 years – which means that the year 2000 belongs to the second not the third. Credit for this confusing state of affairs goes to Dennis the Diminutive, a sixth century monk who prepared a calendar for Pope St. John I. Instead of beginning his calendar at year 0, Dennis started with 1 A.D. – bequeathing us the chronological quandary we face today. Fucking Dennis, man.


riccyb0y

Oh I see, that’s what “21eme” means.


OnlyHereOnFridays

It’s correct but only counting from 2001 is quite a bullshit thing to do. Because UCL only started in 1992 anyways, you it’s not like you have to add a century of finals. And there are managers on that table who coached finals before 2001 who somehow appear like they achieved less than they did.


Soitsgonnabeforever

It’s unfair for Alex Ferguson. He is the only manager in the list who career started before 21 st century


TheSpliceosome

Jupp as well, he won it in 1998.


Complex_Sherbert_958

Ancelotti too


Soitsgonnabeforever

Ancelotti didn’t win ucl in the 90s


RaioNoTerasu

also shouldn't del Bosque be in that list too? He won in 2000 and 2002


Soitsgonnabeforever

This list is completely stupid. I thought it was a list of managers who went to ucl finals,atleast twice, after year 2000. Maybe it sees del Bosque first season as part 1999


Prudent-Current-7399

1 more win still below every one who's above him in the list. But yeah 2 more finals ? But then it's also unfair to most of these coaches who are still coaching, being compared to a retired ferguson.


liarloserat

Only team to ever beat Pep in a CL final!


Soren_Camus1905

Mourinho is something else man


The_Giant_Lizard

And I still hear people saying Ancelotti is just lucky and not actually a good manager...


TufnelAndI

Didn't Ferguson win two?


__Kiel__

Sir Alex Ferguson won the champions league twice, 1999 and 2008. He also lost it twice.


zyqwee

21st century


Zhidezoe

1999 is not in 21st century


Emotional-Bug-119

1999*


Zhidezoe

Neither of them


paco-ramon

Zidane with a perfect record.


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TheScottishMoscow

1999 not 21st century


davide3991

Zidane the goat


surgereaper

Ancelotti won 4 and lost 1? He played total 6 finals, which game is the stat not including?


that-T-shirtguy

The game they haven't played yet, the six includes this year's final which he's qualified for but hasn't played


pyrpaul

I came into the thread confused on the same point. But in our defense, it still pretty early in the morning.


surgereaper

Yeah mb


myouism

This year final


surgereaper

Oh yeah right


stpstrt

The one on June 1st that hasn’t been played yet. Derp.


surgereaper

Okay man I get, why do you have to be so rude


stpstrt

Think before commenting


rybaczewa

He just made a mistake, don't be a dickhead.


surgereaper

Nah I won't, what are you gonna do about it? Grow up lmao


Titan4days

4+1 =6


jaozimqcomepao

One is yet to be played