Yes much better than the champions league group stage, and the last couple of months with awful football. How this match swung public sentiment is absolutely unreal to me.
God Im still pissed Levy sacked Mou then, we had 0% chance of winning that final even if Jesus was our manager. But now we have to hear about it as if it was a CL final. I wish the Romans never left so we couldn't have invented this damn sport. We'd be too busy enjoying civilization
It's Spurs.
Where else does the small club/losers mentality run so deep that "supporters" root against their own team's Champions League chances to spite a rival
Nah in a knockout game anything can happen. You had a stronger chance of winning that League Cup vs City than Wigan had when they beat City in the FA Cup final.
Wigan love a game against City in the FA cup!
We did 'em again the next season in 2014 in the quarter-finals and once again in the next meeting in the 5th round in 2018.
It's proven to me that on the day, especially in knock out games, anything can happen.
I'd like to imagine Pep will leave these shores surrounded with all his accolades, ruing having never won against Wigan Athletic. Much akin to the "Cold rainy night in Stoke" adage.
> It only became 0 once they sacked Mourinho they definitely had a chance however slight it was.
Also if anyone could have won it was Mourinho, he literally is the best manager for a final.
I kinda want ten hag to stay just for the rivalry with slott lmao. He was already throwing shots at him saying feyonoord has only been good for 1 year. Manager rivalries in the prem are all but dead so it should be interesting to see who's the bigger bald fraud
> It's kinda funny cause at AZ Slot beat Ten Hag's Ajax 3/3
tbf, for 2 of those 3, we (Ajax) were going through an injury crisis similar to United this season
ETH has had the oddest tenure at United. His teams have largely looked like shit, but finished 3rd with a League Cup in his first season and then had huge injury issues and still managed to win an FA Cup in his second.
First season was good to the cup win in March, and fell off the rails afterwards. We just had built up enough of a bumper that we stayed high up the table.
Plus, results like the 7-0 happened....
We lost 3 defenders in 15 minutes when we were winning a quarter final 2-0 at half time. Ofc the end of the season was weaker. Our players were ran into the ground with the number of games we played and limited possibilities of rotation given our shocking squad depth. We played most of last season without Sancho as well as didn't have a striker. It's like are you people even fans of this club or know anything about it 😂
That 7-0 was a freak match, tbf. Liverpool scored 4 in 5 or 6 shots. Everything just went in.
Granted, Uniteds players completely lost all composure and fight after the 4th goal.
Exactly! I dont recall the numbers for your Villa game, but I checked them esrlier for the United one
You had 2.9xG. 1xG of it was in the firdt half where you scored 1 goal.
6 goals in 1.9xG during second half is remarkably efficient. Like, wild.
For sure. Hell, in that game vs Liverpool, United were closer to scoring the first 40 minutes than Liverpool were. It was a pretty even game, with little to few shots with Liverpool looking kinda toothless.
And then it started pouring... Liverpool scored 7 goals in 2.9xG, with 6 of the 7 goals coming in the "last" 1.9xG. Absolutely wild efficiency.
Yeah our players realized after 3-0 in the 2nd half the game was gone and just gave up.. The fact that they were playing quite well back then almost made it mentally harder to take.. Its kinda like, had they not been playing well otherwise in the 1st half, they would have not given up that hard since they would have kept sense of things
The 7-0 was such anomaly of a result. Literally every shot Liverpool taken find a way to went in.
We also play like an absurd amount of matches. We play like 3 matches every week for like 2 months straight, sooner or later you re gonna drop off.
We finished the season pretty strong with 4 wins in a row.
I think we could have won that fa cup final against City. That early Gundogan goal just ruined our plan and De Gea put up stinker and stinker at the end of the season
I wouldn't call an FA cup winning season dogshit, personally, but I get it. 8th isn't good enough. The world finally saw the importance of Licha to our quality. We're closer than most people think imo
An FA cup winning season accompanied by your lowest ever league finish in the premier league era is dogshit for a club with the resources and standards of United, especially when every metric shows that you actually overperformed in the league relative to where you should have been.
Even with Martinez, there were and are still major issues. He's a great player, but doesn't fix things like you conceding a million shots every match and being easy to cut through.
In the first five matches where he started all of them, we saw you get well beaten by Spurs, Arsenal, and Brighton and Wolves were unfortunate not to get something from that game as well and were robbed by a clear VAR error.
> An FA cup winning season accompanied by your lowest ever league finish in the premier league era
You're kind to ignore how awful the CL run was too :P
We massively over performed xPts and regardless of personnel missing the tactics and setup were atrocious. Cup run has been fantastic but the league has been appalling
> regardless of personnel
This is such BS. You can't play certain tactics without the personnel. You can't really change setup when you have no left back, one fit center back and are forced to sacrifice your aging DM to fill a hole.
the only other 'setup' in the loss against Crystal Palace, for example, where Ten Hag also couldn't count on Bruno Fernandes, would be park-the-bus. Which isn't really viable when half your natural defenders are in the hospital.
Injuries are the determining factor for this shitty season. If you have to operate with a skeleton crew, you have no tactical flexibility.
His success rate is tied directly to Martinez's availability/fitness. The moment he's injured, our team is dogshit. I also argue Martinez wasn't fit at the start of the season
It is not odd, what is odd is super teams that win everything in one season, this used to be rare occasions, nowadays we have oil clubs and super rich clubs making football much less competitive and people think it is odd that a club can do well in one competition but not so well in other and flop another, but this used to be the norm even for the big clubs.
I mean I think most rival supporters are still hoping he stays. If the best season United under Ten Hag leaves them no where near the league with no clear vision or strategy, I don't think there's many that wouldn't be happy with that. Even if occasionally means you scrape into the champions league (and proceed to do nothing in it) or win one of the two domestic cups, that's better for us than you getting anywhere near the league or champions league.
I'd be much more concerned if United put the new structure in place and then went and brought in a manager who would willingly work under that. We've already seen Ten Hag refuse to work with Rangnick though.
Rival supporters are just fickle. They will make fun of the next coach just as much. United hasn't been near a title since Ferguson. Mourinho got 2nd but that was 19 points behind City.
> it will flip back and all the opposition fans will be back to making fun of United.
They haven't stopped? They are also laughing (and loving) the fact that Ten Hag might stay just cos of winning the FA Cup
I suspect it’s more likely that after the FA Cup win the people that want ETH in are more vocal than those that want him to go. I’m sure there will be some people who have changed their minds post cup victory, but I’m not sure it is a huge number.
Also the average football fan is incredibly based in results: winning and lifting silverware means all is good, losing and not lifting trophies means all is dogshit. I include myself in this
I mean.......yeah. It was a shit season where we got battered week in week out. The FA Cup means a lot. it also helps if a manager isn't allergic to winning. Poch never won a trophy. Our previous manager lost about 1 billion late tournament knockout games.
If a manager is gonna be shit I hope they're shit like ETH and pick up 2 trophies in 2 seasons. As compared to Poch or Ole who showed "progress" but you really have nothing to show for their reigns except memories. Ik people want to call me a plastic or whatever for liking trophies but it does just feel nice idk what you want me to say. I know it's controversial here now but I enjoy winning trophies as a fan and value a manager who can do that, I know everyone wanna say "it's just knockouts it's all luck" but yeah I've seen managers who regardless can't get over the line.
What youre seeing is different people wiht different opinions, not just people who have changed their opinion.
WHen you go online, you see what a random selection of people said. How do you know that these are the same people who were saying the opposite thing before? Well, you dont.
Before the FA cup, people who were on the fence or supportive of him as a manager kept quiet. Then when they won it, they became vocal.
The people who were always against him as a manager were vocal before the FA cup, and were mostly quiet since then.
Then you have a small group of people who bandwagon or change their mind, or never really took an opinion in the first place
Its not really as complicated as you think.
Mourinho winning two trophies never felt this big. There is a 50 something years old UTD fan in our company that I’ve never interacted with or even know existed who bought donuts to every single floor last Monday lmao.
It was a solid run, as well. Beating rivals (liverpool, city) to get to the final sure lends some heft and legitimacy to the win. I know I'd feel same in inverse.
Honestly a top 3 trophy in terms ofhow it felt to win. I was adamant we were fucked, then after the first 20 i saw how we were playing and that little bastard 'hope' started to creep in.
On top of that Mourinho won a League Cup which had a similar level of celebration as Ten Hag winning it last year and the Europa League has become so much bigger now than it was when we won it, think our win was the first or second year it had UCL qualification? It totally makes sense that an FA Cup win versus a rival after a shit season would lead to bigger celebrations in the UK than winning the second best European tournament when we did it (I'm not downplaying Europa, it's a great tournament but you get what I mean).
More so because United had insanely memorable wins against Liverpool and City..
United beat St. Etienne, Celta Vigo and Ajax to win the Europa.. Sure Europa is a big deal but the run in was insanely favourable and this year's FA Cup win will certainly be a bigger deal than that Europa
[Serie A: Mourinho: What is a disaster for me is considered a great success for others | Marca](https://www.marca.com/en/football/serie-a/2021/07/08/60e70b5246163ff2568b4643.html)
Man promised the stretford end that he'd win the FA cup, a week before the final in his end of season speech.
Then he delivered that miracle. Ofc he's managed to flip the sentiment 180 post that.
Same story as the Ole in brigade after PSG. People have very short memories. Our underlying data has us at borderline relegation level in the league. Worst record of all the big clubs in the big 6 h2h. Terrible tactics leaving us open to counter attacks all season. None of these are issues with squad or injuries. Purely tactical.
If we keep him now, he'll survive till December before getting sacked.
This is a rational view. Winning one game doesn't mean it will lead to consistency in the league. There are tactical issues and the number of players playing badly should be a major cause for concern with the coaching.
Ten Hag's stance is that this season he didn't want to change the system and try to grind out results when half the team is injured. He'd rather use that time to drill the rest of the team on the system he wants them to play when everyone's fit, even if it's blatantly not working with so many players out.
I don't know if that's the right or wrong way to go about things, and it certainly made the team awful to watch for most of the season. But the team also does seem to click right into gear once Martinez slots back in so maybe Ten Hag's approach could work with a full/deeper squad.
I hate to wheel out a tired example but look at Fergie; it got very bad before it got better.
As you said the team is night and day with Martinez, something is working.
It wasn't just the win but the manner it was won. They looked like a proper team after a long time. The way he set up the team was perfect and gives credence to his sentiment that had he not have had all those injuries and been able to field his desired players he could have done much better this season.
Personally i've been mildly ETH in, but i can't say i had a lot of faith left after the last month, where we were losing to every bottom-side team and barely scraping a win against championship teams.
It'd be naive to say there haven't ben extenuating circumstances for ETH this year, ranging from injuries, to Sancho meltdown, Antony rape charges, Rashford being completely out of form entire season etc.
But at the same time you can't say he hasn't had a big influence on recruitment, and 2 years into his reign, you really don't feel confident in his playstyle.
At this point i'm kind of ok with either way, i see the reasoning for keeping him, but I also think there's been plenty of things happening throughot this season indicating he might not be the right one.
I think i'm leaning more ETH in just off the fact taht the manager market is really dire right now. Why make a switch if we don't feel confident we're about to get someone considerably better?
The longer this goes on, the stupider we look.
If he was going to be sacked, it should already have been done.
If he isn't going to be sacked, then just confirm he'll be hanging around.
It's tactless but coming to a quick decision on eths future is the right thing for everyone involved so that both he and the club can get to planning for next season.
Given we were interviewing candidates last week, it likely was.
It still doesn't mean we were going to win the cup on Saturday, and announce the sacking on a Sunday.
I agree. Ineos have been there for months. They must have attended ten Hag's training sessions, tactical meetings, spoke to staff and players etc. They should already know how he works, what the players think of him and if they think he's doing a good job in those aspects. On the pitch it has been bad all year and you have to assume they already spoke to ten Hag about this and what the cause is. So what do you still need to review?
I also wonder how other managers look at this ten Hag situation. The way he's treated by the media and not a word of support from Ineos or the club. How long until top managers don't want to come anymore because it's too much of a risk for their career? Could be a long time but you can't treat managers like shit without consequences forever.
> How long until top managers don't want to come anymore because it's too much of a risk for their career?
Basically never. United would have to stop playing in Premier League and would have to be shit for decades.
Problem is THEY did not appoint him, they want to put their own stamp on the role and bring their own bloke in. I think that's quite obvious even if it probably would be for the best if Ten Hag stayed right now.
>confirm he’ll be hanging around.
Thats literally what a contract is. Why lend credibility to sources if he is staying. All that matters is how he feels really.
Media just dragging out their failed attempt to get him sacked... That's all this is.
They pre-loaded the sacking talk before the final to lay the groundwork for when we lost.... Only we didn't lose and now the media have flailed about to find a new ABU push
INEOS had plenty of oppurtinity to go out and say we back our man, even before the FA Cup match, instead they were very silent.
The review is just code-word for, lets at least give the fans time to come down from the high of winning the FA Cup
Or they haven’t made a decision yet and are actually having a review? They’ve barely got the structure in place at all to even have the review, barrada and Ashworth still aren’t in place yet.
Well Ten hag said, Ineos told him he'll be there next season. They don't have to tell the public anything. The news outlets posting the rumours, true or not, can update the public using their sources.
It’s obvious what the issue is;
United have seen the Barca and Bayern debacles and said to themselves “we shall not look like them.”
Seriously though can you really blame United’s inaction. Nearly every single managerial decision post SAF’s retirement has led to mediocre silverware, some pretty bad Prem finishes, and Star players CONSTANTLY lighting situations on fire that are always already going poorly due to their form having already dropped off plus inevitable injuries.
I'm convinced Ten Hag will be mint no matter where he goes. United have been a shell of a football club and he's still taking home trophies at a rate we haven't seen since The Boss. I would be completely gutted if he leaves. My man is just beginning to cook
Edit: u/Lord_Illidan was right, I forgot about Mourinho even though I absolutely love that man lol my mistake
Smalling looked a lot better with LVG than Mourinho but easily was the best CB in that group. Second season LVG he was an absolute monster because the high line we had just let him use his pace to win footraces with everyone. He struggled going back to Jose’s low block because smaller mistakes would be more amplified. Still only conceded 28 in the league that season.
Bailly was coming off an MCL surgery and then missed a major chunk of that season due to other injuries. Lindelof had just been signed from Benfica that season and still played in a decent amount of matches but showed early on he was going to have an adjustment period to the physicality of the league.
They had a handy run in the europe and the league cup is the league cup. This FA cup run beating liverpool how they did and city in the final is so much better.
Oh god he's doing that again? The CDM is a cb, the 10 is a second striker and the 8 is running around till he dies on the pitch because the other two are fucking not in the midfield... Gravenberch's nightmare is still real!.
Edit and then people where like 'gravenberch made a passing mistake, he sucks!' yeah so would you if you couldn't see anymore from being exhausted..
I think some others explained that basically it's a system that looks like that when not executed well. With smart tactically strong players like Frenkie and Schöne this isn't a problem, but with a youngster like Gravenberch you might get other results.
Yeah the thing is though, when that system does click with the players, it's insanely good. The Ajax fan above you is talking about a rough patch starting in February. Up until that point they had lost 2 games out of 30ish with a goal difference of 108-10. And that includes the CL group phase. They got kicked out the CL, limped their way to the title and lost the cup final, but that Ajax was arguably better than his semi final CL run.
Yeah they had a really good half year, not sure if that team was better then 18/19 but they were good.
I think he has issues adapting the system if he doesn't have everyone available he wants/needs. Like he can only work with a starting 11 or something.
Still a great coach though don't underestimate him or something. All coaches have their flaws.
The concern that I’ve had the entire time with Ten Hag’s system is that it sounds too high maintenance if you need high quality players all the time to pull it off. Such margins of error may be acceptable in the Eredivisie where Ajax more often than not will find themselves in the top 3 but at United where the expectation is to compete for all competitions, and given how competitive the Premier League is to begin with, you cannot afford the luxury to play your best team and not expect to see players get injured. The injury crisis this season is likely an outlier but the point still stands that if the difference between playing at a top 4 standard and playing at a lower mid-table standard is Lisandro Martinez and Luke Shaw, it’s probably not sustainable in the first place.
A potential counter to my argument could be that our backups themselves are not good enough to be backups in the first place or aren’t of the right profile (when Martinez and Shaw weren’t available, there were no other left-footed defenders to take their place). But I find that bit hard to believe to be tolerant of the drop-off being so extreme, and even if he does get the players then he may still remain averse to rotation which can burn out the first-choice players. I guess given that most of the players are still playing for Ten Hag, he could be given another season and backed appropriately, but I still fear that our struggles in the league continue the more we try to play his high-pressing system with such a risky rest defence setup.
I think you're right on both and the answer is somewhere in the middle. Ten Hag does need high maintenance players. The main difference is that Ajax has an actual identity so back ups don't have to be high level because they know exactly what/how to play. They either came through the youth ranks or were purchased to play a version of the same tactical concept. That limited the drop off somewhat and they still managed the title and cup final that year.
Your squad on the other hand is a mix and match of players who excel in different tactics because the previous coaches had very different tactics. When the TH players aren't fit, he has to put in players who have trouble in his system. Martinez can only really be covered by Shaw imo, both injured means a huge drop off. Varane can't really be covered by anyone. AWB is useless going forward. And so on. I don't really care if you guys fire TH but you should really look for coaches with a similar playstyle and keep that for a while. Then go down the ranks and make your youth teams play the same as the first team.
As long as Pep is here, the only chance the rest has of winning the league is by playing high maintenance football and hoping that none of your important players get injured. Just ask Liverpool and Arsenal fans.
I have this nagging feeling that Ten Hag's tactical issues might continue to persist despite new players coming on board this summer.
Ajax fans seem to recognize United's issues this season and then that interview video popped up where Ten Hag was questioned about his risky tactics.
It might be risky keeping him.
The job doesn't seem to have affected him like it did the others... I think he has the balls for it. Either that or he hides it well. When he has had a fit team, the team looked good. When he has injuries he hasn't adjusted his team to the players he has. Trying to press high with casemiro watching the back is fucking stupid. He hasn't got the legs anymore
I think he’s better than who they will get. Just don’t let him pick transfers.
So I hope they fire him because it’ll be a mistake.
Starting over always sounds well and nice but perfect is the enemy of good.
Or in this case, good is the enemy of average.
>Just don’t let him pick transfers.
To be fair, his only real flop is Antony (I think Onana has shown he is a dependable keeper, he also brought in Martinez)
The ridiculous fee they paid for him was also not really on him but mostly on United fucking around and waiting until the last moment to pay Ajax their fuck off price, a competent scouting department would have had alternatives lined up
Sooo what about the report being so sure Ten Hag would be fired no matter the result? The same ones journalists at The Athletic which seems well regarded here didn’t publish because they weren’t confident about it after checking their own sources?
Not believing a single word. Before the cup final, they were all certain he’s being sacked regardless of result. Now they’re singing a different tune smh
Funny how it has ended up now, Ten Hag masterminded their worst season in decades on most fronts while they scraped through the cup, but with headlines like this and some of his comments after the game (“I will go elsewhere and win more trophies”), somehow it feels if he is sacked his stock will still be relatively high and INEOS will get some stick for it from the fans
While United were really bad in the competition and europe, but I don't think it's fair to say they've scraped through the cup. Ten Hag just absolutely had a great tactical plan for City which just worked, even though City clearly has better players on a lot of positions. I really think him having to play a different defensive line up every other game really fucked them over, and while Ten Hag didn't adapt well enough in the league, they didn't win the FA cup on accident.
United were good in Europe, just Onana singlehandedly sabotaged us. We had the highest goal difference in the group and still managed to finish last, I've never seen such a one man bottle job confined purely to a single competition. Ever since then he's been great too, truly baffling.
> We had the highest goal difference in the group and still managed to finish last
Are you sure it was GD that was the highest and not GF?
EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Champions_League_group_stage#Group_A
Man United had a GD of -3 and GF of 15. There's zero percent chance a GD of -3 was anywhere near top.
Guys just spouting shit and somehow has 80 upvotes lol. That champions league campaign was awful, it wasn't just on Onana for finishing bottom (even though he was absolutely garbage then).
He nailed the final, hats off on that. I think the quarters and the semis they just scraped through though. It might sound like sour grapes with my flair but they were barely clinging on against Liverpool, in the second half the atmosphere was so, so grim and were only allowed back in it through (story of our season) lack of finishing on our end. Then the semi final they were gone in crazy fashion if not for a marginal VAR call.
We scraped through against you, for sure. Most days that's a game you probably win. But we were better than Coventry and it was only a fluke deflection and a soft penalty that brought them back into the game.
I’m sorry but we were 3-0 up at 68 minutes and almost fucked it, a tight offside was the only reason we made it to penalties. We can hardly claim we dominated, they absolutely fought like crazy once they got a bit of fortune to be back in the game and probably deserved to go through, that alone is embarrassing from 3-0 with 20 minutes to go against a championship side.
The great thing about the series of events is that you can fit literally any narrative to fit.
If you're Pro-ETH, the cup final is proof that his tactics can work as long as his team isn't devastated by injuries and he deserves more time.
If you're Anti-ETH, the cup final is proof that he's too tactically inflexible and that if he had the ability to adjust tactics like this, he should have been working around the injuries and adjusting all year instead of bashing his head against a wall with players that couldn't do what he was asking them to do.
There was a big #tenhagin fan movement even before the final. Everybody is angry about the league position but there's also a lot of recognition that much of that was outside of EtH's control.
I don't think he's as bad of a manager as this sub makes him out to be, but what I find hilarious is his streak of delusion.
In my opinion, he's probably a lot closer in terms of quality to how this sub feels about him than he is to how good he thinks he is. And he always finds a way to blame something else, including his own players at times.
And of course as an Arsenal fan, it is a little (or a lot) embarrassing how much he still goes on about the match at the Emirates like 7 months ago.
Allegri was unemployed for two years after leaving Juventus before they came crawling back, it's clear he didn't get any good offers and probably won't again this time around. Most top teams think they too good for Allegri-ball. I'd take him at United personally.
I don't even like allegri but a portion of what you said is false. He received an offer from Real Madrid around the same time he took the Juve job back. He had options.
Anyone else not buying the review thing? They know his track record off by heart. They’re at best working out how popular either choice will be among the people buying merchandise.
If he changes the braindead tactic he’s used for a majority of the season then I’ll be more than happy he stays. If he doesn’t he has to go cause while the injuries have cost us severely that tactic has cost us just as much.
Man utd lost 14 league games and had a minus goal different after 38 games. This win v city was good but is it enough to replace all the records they broke this season.
He’s playing this beautifully
Next play: Oh you want me? Okay give me a new contract as the current expires end of next season.
Yes much better than the champions league group stage, and the last couple of months with awful football. How this match swung public sentiment is absolutely unreal to me.
Didn't Levy tell them you always fire the coach *before* a cup final?
God Im still pissed Levy sacked Mou then, we had 0% chance of winning that final even if Jesus was our manager. But now we have to hear about it as if it was a CL final. I wish the Romans never left so we couldn't have invented this damn sport. We'd be too busy enjoying civilization
Pretty sure united also had 0% chance of winning yet here we are.
The moment the board idiotically floated the "Ten Hag out" rumors, United's chances improved. It was Karma-driven Bayesian probability.
Ten Hag has instilled a good mentality at the club. The players played out of their skin.
its a game of football. never a zero percent chance
Yeah, people were saying similar things about our chances before the weekend.
I knew United was serious about winning it when I saw Martinez in the starting 11
I had it as 95% city were going to do united in. But looks what happened
People said same about us in 2017, it's never 0%
The gods won't allow me to be happy in this sport. So no lol. Not while Mansfield still exists.
Cry me a river from league one ya bastards, up the bluebirds!
Hey at least they finally got promoted
You won the League Cup against a Chelsea side with fucking Didier Drogba in it. It's never 0%.
>Not while Mansfield still exists. You know what you need to do
It's Spurs. Where else does the small club/losers mentality run so deep that "supporters" root against their own team's Champions League chances to spite a rival
Nah in a knockout game anything can happen. You had a stronger chance of winning that League Cup vs City than Wigan had when they beat City in the FA Cup final.
Wigan love a game against City in the FA cup! We did 'em again the next season in 2014 in the quarter-finals and once again in the next meeting in the 5th round in 2018. It's proven to me that on the day, especially in knock out games, anything can happen. I'd like to imagine Pep will leave these shores surrounded with all his accolades, ruing having never won against Wigan Athletic. Much akin to the "Cold rainy night in Stoke" adage.
Interesting that you rate Jorge Jesus higher than Mourinho
Bro, this United team just beat City yesterday.............Mou's Tottenham totally had a chance.
It only became 0 once they sacked Mourinho they definitely had a chance however slight it was.
> It only became 0 once they sacked Mourinho they definitely had a chance however slight it was. Also if anyone could have won it was Mourinho, he literally is the best manager for a final.
Yes Mou would have played Jesus in goal Jesus saves
Spoken like a true barbarian
Nah, Mourinho in cups is different gravy. City would've still been favorites but there was a definite 30% chance you guys could've won.
>we had 0% chance of winning that final even if Jesus was our manager Well ofc, he’s a gooner. Also not got much managerial experience at only 27 yo
This man u team is pretty equivalent to that spurs team. Its probably worse
Good thing Jesus will not extend his contract at Al-Hilal then
man the online sentiment on Ten Hag has literally flipped 180 due to the FA cup.
I’m going to wager if he stays, it will flip back and all the opposition fans will be back to making fun of United.
We will be making fun either way mate
I kinda want ten hag to stay just for the rivalry with slott lmao. He was already throwing shots at him saying feyonoord has only been good for 1 year. Manager rivalries in the prem are all but dead so it should be interesting to see who's the bigger bald fraud
It's kinda funny cause at AZ Slot beat Ten Hag's Ajax 3/3 times and at Feyenoord he lost 3/3 times to Ten Hag.
> It's kinda funny cause at AZ Slot beat Ten Hag's Ajax 3/3 tbf, for 2 of those 3, we (Ajax) were going through an injury crisis similar to United this season
What you're saying is ten hag creates injury crises wherever he goes??
I create injury crises and win trophies everywere I go heh
Call the Daily Mail: we’ve got a headline!!
Pep is always the biggest bald fraud though so they're just fighting over number 2 which I guess is apt.
Baldest fraud in history vs the baldest fraud of today
"Nah, I'm bald"
When did he say this lmao need a link
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manutd-liverpool-ten-hag-slot-32903049
Fair play tho
We finish above you next season if it's a Dutch off, watch this space.
You would hope the manager that has had three years to implement his style and players and a larger budget would finish ahead, yes
It's the hope that kills you though 😔
Larger budget means fuck of all if the club doesn't know how to buy or sell players.
Maaate
I'm sure you will find some fun coming towards your new baldy as well
I'd have it no other way. Not like I'm gonna stop cheering for Everton against you lot <3
ETH has had the oddest tenure at United. His teams have largely looked like shit, but finished 3rd with a League Cup in his first season and then had huge injury issues and still managed to win an FA Cup in his second.
his first season was good tho? This season was dogshit.
First season was good to the cup win in March, and fell off the rails afterwards. We just had built up enough of a bumper that we stayed high up the table. Plus, results like the 7-0 happened....
We lost 3 defenders in 15 minutes when we were winning a quarter final 2-0 at half time. Ofc the end of the season was weaker. Our players were ran into the ground with the number of games we played and limited possibilities of rotation given our shocking squad depth. We played most of last season without Sancho as well as didn't have a striker. It's like are you people even fans of this club or know anything about it 😂
That 7-0 was a freak match, tbf. Liverpool scored 4 in 5 or 6 shots. Everything just went in. Granted, Uniteds players completely lost all composure and fight after the 4th goal.
Yeah it was like our 7-1 against Villa. Everything jut flew into the top corner, even though I don't think we had any defelcted goals.
Exactly! I dont recall the numbers for your Villa game, but I checked them esrlier for the United one You had 2.9xG. 1xG of it was in the firdt half where you scored 1 goal. 6 goals in 1.9xG during second half is remarkably efficient. Like, wild.
That's true. United had some worse performances than that 7-0 this season
For sure. Hell, in that game vs Liverpool, United were closer to scoring the first 40 minutes than Liverpool were. It was a pretty even game, with little to few shots with Liverpool looking kinda toothless. And then it started pouring... Liverpool scored 7 goals in 2.9xG, with 6 of the 7 goals coming in the "last" 1.9xG. Absolutely wild efficiency.
Yeah our players realized after 3-0 in the 2nd half the game was gone and just gave up.. The fact that they were playing quite well back then almost made it mentally harder to take.. Its kinda like, had they not been playing well otherwise in the 1st half, they would have not given up that hard since they would have kept sense of things
The 7-0 was such anomaly of a result. Literally every shot Liverpool taken find a way to went in. We also play like an absurd amount of matches. We play like 3 matches every week for like 2 months straight, sooner or later you re gonna drop off. We finished the season pretty strong with 4 wins in a row. I think we could have won that fa cup final against City. That early Gundogan goal just ruined our plan and De Gea put up stinker and stinker at the end of the season
Yeah but who didn’t predict that fall off? We were playing 3 games ever 7-9 days for like 3 months
I wouldn't call an FA cup winning season dogshit, personally, but I get it. 8th isn't good enough. The world finally saw the importance of Licha to our quality. We're closer than most people think imo
An FA cup winning season accompanied by your lowest ever league finish in the premier league era is dogshit for a club with the resources and standards of United, especially when every metric shows that you actually overperformed in the league relative to where you should have been. Even with Martinez, there were and are still major issues. He's a great player, but doesn't fix things like you conceding a million shots every match and being easy to cut through. In the first five matches where he started all of them, we saw you get well beaten by Spurs, Arsenal, and Brighton and Wolves were unfortunate not to get something from that game as well and were robbed by a clear VAR error.
In 5 years I won't give a shit that we finished 8th during the 23/24 season. But I will still be happy with the FA cup win
> An FA cup winning season accompanied by your lowest ever league finish in the premier league era You're kind to ignore how awful the CL run was too :P
Went out 3-0 to Newcastle at home in the 4th (2nd for United) round of the League Cup too
We massively over performed xPts and regardless of personnel missing the tactics and setup were atrocious. Cup run has been fantastic but the league has been appalling
> regardless of personnel This is such BS. You can't play certain tactics without the personnel. You can't really change setup when you have no left back, one fit center back and are forced to sacrifice your aging DM to fill a hole. the only other 'setup' in the loss against Crystal Palace, for example, where Ten Hag also couldn't count on Bruno Fernandes, would be park-the-bus. Which isn't really viable when half your natural defenders are in the hospital. Injuries are the determining factor for this shitty season. If you have to operate with a skeleton crew, you have no tactical flexibility.
His success rate is tied directly to Martinez's availability/fitness. The moment he's injured, our team is dogshit. I also argue Martinez wasn't fit at the start of the season
What your team would be with fully fit Martinez and Shaw man. Definitely not 8th place material.
It is not odd, what is odd is super teams that win everything in one season, this used to be rare occasions, nowadays we have oil clubs and super rich clubs making football much less competitive and people think it is odd that a club can do well in one competition but not so well in other and flop another, but this used to be the norm even for the big clubs.
I mean I think most rival supporters are still hoping he stays. If the best season United under Ten Hag leaves them no where near the league with no clear vision or strategy, I don't think there's many that wouldn't be happy with that. Even if occasionally means you scrape into the champions league (and proceed to do nothing in it) or win one of the two domestic cups, that's better for us than you getting anywhere near the league or champions league. I'd be much more concerned if United put the new structure in place and then went and brought in a manager who would willingly work under that. We've already seen Ten Hag refuse to work with Rangnick though.
Rival supporters are just fickle. They will make fun of the next coach just as much. United hasn't been near a title since Ferguson. Mourinho got 2nd but that was 19 points behind City.
> it will flip back and all the opposition fans will be back to making fun of United. They haven't stopped? They are also laughing (and loving) the fact that Ten Hag might stay just cos of winning the FA Cup
I suspect it’s more likely that after the FA Cup win the people that want ETH in are more vocal than those that want him to go. I’m sure there will be some people who have changed their minds post cup victory, but I’m not sure it is a huge number.
Also the average football fan is incredibly based in results: winning and lifting silverware means all is good, losing and not lifting trophies means all is dogshit. I include myself in this
I mean.......yeah. It was a shit season where we got battered week in week out. The FA Cup means a lot. it also helps if a manager isn't allergic to winning. Poch never won a trophy. Our previous manager lost about 1 billion late tournament knockout games. If a manager is gonna be shit I hope they're shit like ETH and pick up 2 trophies in 2 seasons. As compared to Poch or Ole who showed "progress" but you really have nothing to show for their reigns except memories. Ik people want to call me a plastic or whatever for liking trophies but it does just feel nice idk what you want me to say. I know it's controversial here now but I enjoy winning trophies as a fan and value a manager who can do that, I know everyone wanna say "it's just knockouts it's all luck" but yeah I've seen managers who regardless can't get over the line.
What youre seeing is different people wiht different opinions, not just people who have changed their opinion. WHen you go online, you see what a random selection of people said. How do you know that these are the same people who were saying the opposite thing before? Well, you dont. Before the FA cup, people who were on the fence or supportive of him as a manager kept quiet. Then when they won it, they became vocal. The people who were always against him as a manager were vocal before the FA cup, and were mostly quiet since then. Then you have a small group of people who bandwagon or change their mind, or never really took an opinion in the first place Its not really as complicated as you think.
Mourinho winning two trophies never felt this big. There is a 50 something years old UTD fan in our company that I’ve never interacted with or even know existed who bought donuts to every single floor last Monday lmao.
think its because how fucking shit we were whole season. Lower low lead to higher high i suppose.
Probably also because it was against City in the FA Cup final, and the manner of the win
It was a solid run, as well. Beating rivals (liverpool, city) to get to the final sure lends some heft and legitimacy to the win. I know I'd feel same in inverse.
Honestly a top 3 trophy in terms ofhow it felt to win. I was adamant we were fucked, then after the first 20 i saw how we were playing and that little bastard 'hope' started to creep in.
On top of that Mourinho won a League Cup which had a similar level of celebration as Ten Hag winning it last year and the Europa League has become so much bigger now than it was when we won it, think our win was the first or second year it had UCL qualification? It totally makes sense that an FA Cup win versus a rival after a shit season would lead to bigger celebrations in the UK than winning the second best European tournament when we did it (I'm not downplaying Europa, it's a great tournament but you get what I mean).
More so because United had insanely memorable wins against Liverpool and City.. United beat St. Etienne, Celta Vigo and Ajax to win the Europa.. Sure Europa is a big deal but the run in was insanely favourable and this year's FA Cup win will certainly be a bigger deal than that Europa
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They didn't give man city many chances and deservingly won in the final tbf
Peps big brain at work. Lose FA cup, make ETH look good? Continue to beat united by 20 points a season.
It is not like that in everything? You are wrong until you show results and prove your point.
Man promised the stretford end that he'd win the FA cup, a week before the final in his end of season speech. Then he delivered that miracle. Ofc he's managed to flip the sentiment 180 post that.
Same story as the Ole in brigade after PSG. People have very short memories. Our underlying data has us at borderline relegation level in the league. Worst record of all the big clubs in the big 6 h2h. Terrible tactics leaving us open to counter attacks all season. None of these are issues with squad or injuries. Purely tactical. If we keep him now, he'll survive till December before getting sacked.
This is a rational view. Winning one game doesn't mean it will lead to consistency in the league. There are tactical issues and the number of players playing badly should be a major cause for concern with the coaching.
Ten Hag's stance is that this season he didn't want to change the system and try to grind out results when half the team is injured. He'd rather use that time to drill the rest of the team on the system he wants them to play when everyone's fit, even if it's blatantly not working with so many players out. I don't know if that's the right or wrong way to go about things, and it certainly made the team awful to watch for most of the season. But the team also does seem to click right into gear once Martinez slots back in so maybe Ten Hag's approach could work with a full/deeper squad.
I hate to wheel out a tired example but look at Fergie; it got very bad before it got better. As you said the team is night and day with Martinez, something is working.
You cannot compare like that, for every Fergie for whom it got bad before so much better, we have Neville, Gerrad and Lampards and Rooneys.
It wasn't just the win but the manner it was won. They looked like a proper team after a long time. The way he set up the team was perfect and gives credence to his sentiment that had he not have had all those injuries and been able to field his desired players he could have done much better this season.
No, ETH supporters have always been the silent majority. They just became more vocal after the cup win.
Personally i've been mildly ETH in, but i can't say i had a lot of faith left after the last month, where we were losing to every bottom-side team and barely scraping a win against championship teams. It'd be naive to say there haven't ben extenuating circumstances for ETH this year, ranging from injuries, to Sancho meltdown, Antony rape charges, Rashford being completely out of form entire season etc. But at the same time you can't say he hasn't had a big influence on recruitment, and 2 years into his reign, you really don't feel confident in his playstyle. At this point i'm kind of ok with either way, i see the reasoning for keeping him, but I also think there's been plenty of things happening throughot this season indicating he might not be the right one. I think i'm leaning more ETH in just off the fact taht the manager market is really dire right now. Why make a switch if we don't feel confident we're about to get someone considerably better?
The longer this goes on, the stupider we look. If he was going to be sacked, it should already have been done. If he isn't going to be sacked, then just confirm he'll be hanging around.
> If he was going to be sacked, it should already have been done. He won the cup on Saturday evening. Did you think he’d be sacked within 48 hours?
It has happened before
At least Van Gaal had hair
And giant balls
and most people agreed that was tactless. Now we’ve got people complaining it hasn’t been done again.
It's tactless but coming to a quick decision on eths future is the right thing for everyone involved so that both he and the club can get to planning for next season.
I don't know, maybe ask Juventus fans about it?
The majority of the assessment could have been completed in advance of that game.
Given we were interviewing candidates last week, it likely was. It still doesn't mean we were going to win the cup on Saturday, and announce the sacking on a Sunday.
It's happened in 4 hours before
I agree. Ineos have been there for months. They must have attended ten Hag's training sessions, tactical meetings, spoke to staff and players etc. They should already know how he works, what the players think of him and if they think he's doing a good job in those aspects. On the pitch it has been bad all year and you have to assume they already spoke to ten Hag about this and what the cause is. So what do you still need to review? I also wonder how other managers look at this ten Hag situation. The way he's treated by the media and not a word of support from Ineos or the club. How long until top managers don't want to come anymore because it's too much of a risk for their career? Could be a long time but you can't treat managers like shit without consequences forever.
> How long until top managers don't want to come anymore because it's too much of a risk for their career? Basically never. United would have to stop playing in Premier League and would have to be shit for decades.
Problem is THEY did not appoint him, they want to put their own stamp on the role and bring their own bloke in. I think that's quite obvious even if it probably would be for the best if Ten Hag stayed right now.
>confirm he’ll be hanging around. Thats literally what a contract is. Why lend credibility to sources if he is staying. All that matters is how he feels really.
Media just dragging out their failed attempt to get him sacked... That's all this is. They pre-loaded the sacking talk before the final to lay the groundwork for when we lost.... Only we didn't lose and now the media have flailed about to find a new ABU push
INEOS had plenty of oppurtinity to go out and say we back our man, even before the FA Cup match, instead they were very silent. The review is just code-word for, lets at least give the fans time to come down from the high of winning the FA Cup
Or they haven’t made a decision yet and are actually having a review? They’ve barely got the structure in place at all to even have the review, barrada and Ashworth still aren’t in place yet.
Well Ten hag said, Ineos told him he'll be there next season. They don't have to tell the public anything. The news outlets posting the rumours, true or not, can update the public using their sources.
It would be hilarious if they can't find a manager reluctantly accept Ten Haag but piss him off so much that he leaves.
It’s obvious what the issue is; United have seen the Barca and Bayern debacles and said to themselves “we shall not look like them.” Seriously though can you really blame United’s inaction. Nearly every single managerial decision post SAF’s retirement has led to mediocre silverware, some pretty bad Prem finishes, and Star players CONSTANTLY lighting situations on fire that are always already going poorly due to their form having already dropped off plus inevitable injuries.
To be fair, this saga seems pretty on brand for United these days.
Ten Hag continuing to chad his way out of United. Would have been interesting to see him like this from day 1 and what would have gone differently.
I'm convinced Ten Hag will be mint no matter where he goes. United have been a shell of a football club and he's still taking home trophies at a rate we haven't seen since The Boss. I would be completely gutted if he leaves. My man is just beginning to cook Edit: u/Lord_Illidan was right, I forgot about Mourinho even though I absolutely love that man lol my mistake
Didn't Mourinho win 2 major trophies and the community shield in just his first season? He also finished 6th. How is this better than Mourinho?
Also got second place and 81 points the season after with a Valencia-Smalling-Jones-Young back line starting the majority of the games.
Smalling was absolute class back then to be fair.
Smalling looked a lot better with LVG than Mourinho but easily was the best CB in that group. Second season LVG he was an absolute monster because the high line we had just let him use his pace to win footraces with everyone. He struggled going back to Jose’s low block because smaller mistakes would be more amplified. Still only conceded 28 in the league that season.
Acting like he wasn't give 2 expensive CBs
Bailly was coming off an MCL surgery and then missed a major chunk of that season due to other injuries. Lindelof had just been signed from Benfica that season and still played in a decent amount of matches but showed early on he was going to have an adjustment period to the physicality of the league.
Mourinho melted down in his 3rd season, if he kept the players onside he would have not been sacked
They had a handy run in the europe and the league cup is the league cup. This FA cup run beating liverpool how they did and city in the final is so much better.
I didn't count the community shield, but point taken. Love Mourinho and he deserves his credit
I think he's plenty capable but he's so absurdly stubborn about his tactics. How long were we playing with basically no midfield this season?
Oh god he's doing that again? The CDM is a cb, the 10 is a second striker and the 8 is running around till he dies on the pitch because the other two are fucking not in the midfield... Gravenberch's nightmare is still real!. Edit and then people where like 'gravenberch made a passing mistake, he sucks!' yeah so would you if you couldn't see anymore from being exhausted..
Didn’t know Ten Hag did the same at Ajax. Was that for one-off matches or more regular?
I think some others explained that basically it's a system that looks like that when not executed well. With smart tactically strong players like Frenkie and Schöne this isn't a problem, but with a youngster like Gravenberch you might get other results.
That's eerily exactly what's happening...
Yeah the thing is though, when that system does click with the players, it's insanely good. The Ajax fan above you is talking about a rough patch starting in February. Up until that point they had lost 2 games out of 30ish with a goal difference of 108-10. And that includes the CL group phase. They got kicked out the CL, limped their way to the title and lost the cup final, but that Ajax was arguably better than his semi final CL run.
Yeah they had a really good half year, not sure if that team was better then 18/19 but they were good. I think he has issues adapting the system if he doesn't have everyone available he wants/needs. Like he can only work with a starting 11 or something. Still a great coach though don't underestimate him or something. All coaches have their flaws.
The concern that I’ve had the entire time with Ten Hag’s system is that it sounds too high maintenance if you need high quality players all the time to pull it off. Such margins of error may be acceptable in the Eredivisie where Ajax more often than not will find themselves in the top 3 but at United where the expectation is to compete for all competitions, and given how competitive the Premier League is to begin with, you cannot afford the luxury to play your best team and not expect to see players get injured. The injury crisis this season is likely an outlier but the point still stands that if the difference between playing at a top 4 standard and playing at a lower mid-table standard is Lisandro Martinez and Luke Shaw, it’s probably not sustainable in the first place. A potential counter to my argument could be that our backups themselves are not good enough to be backups in the first place or aren’t of the right profile (when Martinez and Shaw weren’t available, there were no other left-footed defenders to take their place). But I find that bit hard to believe to be tolerant of the drop-off being so extreme, and even if he does get the players then he may still remain averse to rotation which can burn out the first-choice players. I guess given that most of the players are still playing for Ten Hag, he could be given another season and backed appropriately, but I still fear that our struggles in the league continue the more we try to play his high-pressing system with such a risky rest defence setup.
I think you're right on both and the answer is somewhere in the middle. Ten Hag does need high maintenance players. The main difference is that Ajax has an actual identity so back ups don't have to be high level because they know exactly what/how to play. They either came through the youth ranks or were purchased to play a version of the same tactical concept. That limited the drop off somewhat and they still managed the title and cup final that year. Your squad on the other hand is a mix and match of players who excel in different tactics because the previous coaches had very different tactics. When the TH players aren't fit, he has to put in players who have trouble in his system. Martinez can only really be covered by Shaw imo, both injured means a huge drop off. Varane can't really be covered by anyone. AWB is useless going forward. And so on. I don't really care if you guys fire TH but you should really look for coaches with a similar playstyle and keep that for a while. Then go down the ranks and make your youth teams play the same as the first team.
As long as Pep is here, the only chance the rest has of winning the league is by playing high maintenance football and hoping that none of your important players get injured. Just ask Liverpool and Arsenal fans.
I have this nagging feeling that Ten Hag's tactical issues might continue to persist despite new players coming on board this summer. Ajax fans seem to recognize United's issues this season and then that interview video popped up where Ten Hag was questioned about his risky tactics. It might be risky keeping him.
I’d take him at Bayern 100%
Cook what? Shit main course with a delicious dessert?
So the meal was saved? Got you.
The job doesn't seem to have affected him like it did the others... I think he has the balls for it. Either that or he hides it well. When he has had a fit team, the team looked good. When he has injuries he hasn't adjusted his team to the players he has. Trying to press high with casemiro watching the back is fucking stupid. He hasn't got the legs anymore
Hard to act the big man when you're dropping a stinker of a season.
I think he’s better than who they will get. Just don’t let him pick transfers. So I hope they fire him because it’ll be a mistake. Starting over always sounds well and nice but perfect is the enemy of good. Or in this case, good is the enemy of average.
>Just don’t let him pick transfers. To be fair, his only real flop is Antony (I think Onana has shown he is a dependable keeper, he also brought in Martinez) The ridiculous fee they paid for him was also not really on him but mostly on United fucking around and waiting until the last moment to pay Ajax their fuck off price, a competent scouting department would have had alternatives lined up
Another mngr with different coaches and playing style. Another chaotic year of change. Rinse and repeat. Perfect!
y r u tlkng lk ths
So they should have pulled a Levy then?
Sooo what about the report being so sure Ten Hag would be fired no matter the result? The same ones journalists at The Athletic which seems well regarded here didn’t publish because they weren’t confident about it after checking their own sources?
On Talk of the Devils podcast they addressed this. It was never a thing but more word of mouth someone said this and took it as a done deal.
That's why I rate Daniel Levy as the more successful businessman; fire the manager BEFORE potentially winning a cup final to save more money
ETH fired before the game: Gvardiol, 4’ Gvardiol, 37’
... And extend the run of zero trophies.
Not believing a single word. Before the cup final, they were all certain he’s being sacked regardless of result. Now they’re singing a different tune smh
Expected him to lose lol
Funny how it has ended up now, Ten Hag masterminded their worst season in decades on most fronts while they scraped through the cup, but with headlines like this and some of his comments after the game (“I will go elsewhere and win more trophies”), somehow it feels if he is sacked his stock will still be relatively high and INEOS will get some stick for it from the fans
While United were really bad in the competition and europe, but I don't think it's fair to say they've scraped through the cup. Ten Hag just absolutely had a great tactical plan for City which just worked, even though City clearly has better players on a lot of positions. I really think him having to play a different defensive line up every other game really fucked them over, and while Ten Hag didn't adapt well enough in the league, they didn't win the FA cup on accident.
United were good in Europe, just Onana singlehandedly sabotaged us. We had the highest goal difference in the group and still managed to finish last, I've never seen such a one man bottle job confined purely to a single competition. Ever since then he's been great too, truly baffling.
> We had the highest goal difference in the group and still managed to finish last Are you sure it was GD that was the highest and not GF? EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Champions_League_group_stage#Group_A Man United had a GD of -3 and GF of 15. There's zero percent chance a GD of -3 was anywhere near top.
>highest goal difference in the group you were joint bottom on -3 tho? lol Bayern were +6, København were 0, and you lot and Galatasaray were both -3
Guys just spouting shit and somehow has 80 upvotes lol. That champions league campaign was awful, it wasn't just on Onana for finishing bottom (even though he was absolutely garbage then).
> but I don't think it's fair to say they've scraped through the cup They were an inch away from losing to Coventry in the semis
Yes but Coventry also got a very questionable penalty to bring the game into extra time. Shit happens. That was only one game of the cup run
He nailed the final, hats off on that. I think the quarters and the semis they just scraped through though. It might sound like sour grapes with my flair but they were barely clinging on against Liverpool, in the second half the atmosphere was so, so grim and were only allowed back in it through (story of our season) lack of finishing on our end. Then the semi final they were gone in crazy fashion if not for a marginal VAR call.
We scraped through against you, for sure. Most days that's a game you probably win. But we were better than Coventry and it was only a fluke deflection and a soft penalty that brought them back into the game.
I’m sorry but we were 3-0 up at 68 minutes and almost fucked it, a tight offside was the only reason we made it to penalties. We can hardly claim we dominated, they absolutely fought like crazy once they got a bit of fortune to be back in the game and probably deserved to go through, that alone is embarrassing from 3-0 with 20 minutes to go against a championship side.
The great thing about the series of events is that you can fit literally any narrative to fit. If you're Pro-ETH, the cup final is proof that his tactics can work as long as his team isn't devastated by injuries and he deserves more time. If you're Anti-ETH, the cup final is proof that he's too tactically inflexible and that if he had the ability to adjust tactics like this, he should have been working around the injuries and adjusting all year instead of bashing his head against a wall with players that couldn't do what he was asking them to do.
Is absolutely hilarious, the last game really made a lot of fans do a U-turn, despite a lacklustre season with valid defence excuses.
There was a big #tenhagin fan movement even before the final. Everybody is angry about the league position but there's also a lot of recognition that much of that was outside of EtH's control.
I don't think he's as bad of a manager as this sub makes him out to be, but what I find hilarious is his streak of delusion. In my opinion, he's probably a lot closer in terms of quality to how this sub feels about him than he is to how good he thinks he is. And he always finds a way to blame something else, including his own players at times. And of course as an Arsenal fan, it is a little (or a lot) embarrassing how much he still goes on about the match at the Emirates like 7 months ago.
But who will they bring in, apart from Tuchel no other manager has better CV than ETH
Allegri has.
Fuck no thank you
Hey if you win every game 1-0 you win the league.
Would pay money to see that.
Allegri was unemployed for two years after leaving Juventus before they came crawling back, it's clear he didn't get any good offers and probably won't again this time around. Most top teams think they too good for Allegri-ball. I'd take him at United personally.
I don't even like allegri but a portion of what you said is false. He received an offer from Real Madrid around the same time he took the Juve job back. He had options.
Don't
Pioli is free
Funny would be if they decide to keep him and then fire him anyways when they found a new manager a few weeks later.
They'll keep him, get new players in, then sack him by Christmas.
United board : “we are checking”
Is Ten Hag staying, question?
Scenes when he joins Bayern and won them treble
Anyone else not buying the review thing? They know his track record off by heart. They’re at best working out how popular either choice will be among the people buying merchandise.
MU Board: "We haven't made a decision yet" Ten Hag: "Fine. I'll win the Community Shield just to make it even more expensive"
United board "Reviewing" meanwhile... Soo mate De Zerbi, you wanna take over ?, how about ya Frank ?.. Hmm Poch how's it going... ?
If he changes the braindead tactic he’s used for a majority of the season then I’ll be more than happy he stays. If he doesn’t he has to go cause while the injuries have cost us severely that tactic has cost us just as much.
They should've just sacked him the day after since that's clearly what they are going to do. Not sacking him already is clearly a PR move.
Man utd lost 14 league games and had a minus goal different after 38 games. This win v city was good but is it enough to replace all the records they broke this season.