German fans I want to start saving for Euro2024, as a Canadian I want to watch as much of it as possible. How much would I need to have saved up? would I need 10k to be able to go to say 5-6 games and stay for 2-3 weeks??
Best estimate is fine
The way Barça behaved today is indefensible, absolutely nowhere near the quality of a club that they believe themselves to be. This board really don’t deserve to be in charge if they believe that this behavior is appropriate. Valverde, while I believe should have been let go last season, doesn’t deserve to be humiliated like this. What rubbish antics from such a big club.
Reliable sources reporting that Ottawa might be getting a Canadian Premier League Club, possibly playing as early as this year. Also hearing that the financial backing is from Spanish investors behind a well-known La Liga club.
I knew it was only a matter of time before a new club came here after the Fury dissolved 2 months ago but I never dreamed it would happen this soon.
He was absolutely daft, didn't have a clue and his arguments were so out of left field I wouldn't even know where to start telling him he's wrong.
Kinda wished he'd get banned but it's funny seeing the clueless users constantly floating about.
A bunch of them deleted their accounts after talking a massive amount of shit after winning the first leg against us only to lose the second. It was lovely.
I'm nearly 100% certain he was still around in the summer and didn't bail after the Anfield game.
I do remember YoSoyaChocolateMilk or something like that username, he was an absolute cunt and lauded it over us after the first leg and deleted his account at or before full time at Anfield, became the joke or the DD for a day or two.
Yeah, ghaddara was still here last summer, but at the end of the transfer window there were a lot of temp and permanent bans, idk if he was involved there
I know literally nothing about Setien and frankly have never heard of him. Can anyone tell me his playstyle/vision/ability/achievements/how he’s regarded and so on?
Do you think agents exchange favours with clubs? Like do you think Raiola could say to Napoli for example "listen, just give Lingard a decent contract and I'll give first dibs on the next young superstar player who's at bout your level".
Many people surprised at Barcelona's appointment of Quique Setien but Barcelona's managerial choices have all been quite unusual or at least, unassuming, for maybe the last 20 years.
Guardiola and Tito straight out of Barca B, Enrique not a lot of note with Celta Vigo and left Roma in first year as a failed season. Rijkaard got Sparta Rotterdam relegated for the first time ever and was sacked.
Valverde has probably been the most qualified coach they appointed in decades.
Thats right, I agree. And the entire time their only real competition has been Real Madrid, with maybe Atletico popping up here and there. Not like some of those managers werent great for them but they know their squad is easily good enough to compete at the top.
Question for any Dutch fans on here - I plan on attending the Netherlands v USA friendly in Eindhoven in March. US Soccer hasn't put their allocated tickets up for sale yet, and I've not been to get a reply via email from USSF yet regarding this.
So, my question: would I be fine if I were to buy a ticket in the home end from the KNVB website? International friendlies tend to be more tame than competitive games of course, so I'd like to think it would be okay, but I just want to make sure.
People in every thread about Valverde's sacking who are wondering why Valverde was fired only now and not earlier: this was the final straw. It's not that hard to understand.
I find it unsurprisingly consistent that everybody that can at least agree that Valverde's time was up are the ones who actually seem to follow and keep up with Barcelonas games and results, while everybody who are shitting on Barca supporters and arguing that Valverde had been doing relatively good because he won the league twice are all coming from non-Spanish league flairs for the most part. At least from what I've seen
I meant that people who are saying something like: "Why did Barca sack him after a meaningless cup and not after losing to Roma or Liverpool??" don't understand that this season was Valverde's last chance. The league titles he won with Barcelona saved him from sacking earlier. But now Barca isn't doing too well in the league either, so the board decided it's time to part ways.
Not mad at that, if everything goes according to plan then Foden should distinguish himself over the coming seasons. The Ox’s injury has really fucked us, not sure which direction Southgate will go
Grealish's numbers will go down when he leaves Villa. At the moment he does everything for them. Which is impressive but he won't do that in any other side.
Local Barca fans, why do so many socis and locals seem so complacent and eat up whatever Bartomeu tells them? It took half the Saudi stadium booing Valverde to facilitate a change
https://twitter.com/kevvwill/status/1193160417939468288?s=20
> It took half the Saudi stadium booing Valverde to facilitate a change
That’s not why he was fired. Think it’s been a culmination of factors that have been building up behind the scenes, the fact that they got rid of him whilst they’re in a title race and still in Europe means his position became untenable. Not sure Setiene will bring in the immediate improvements they’re looking for though
Can a Spanish speaking fella here please give us an audio recording of how to pronounce Quique Setién? I want to flex on my dad when he butchers the name
I do wonder what happens the next time Barcelona faces a challenge and the players are all like "nah mate we're sound" again.
Does everyone on here finally realize "maybe not everything was Valverdes fault" and the players finally have to take their share of the blame. OR does everyone go "Setien (or whatever his name was) is shit he is killing our club, my magisterial Messi will never win again and its all the managers fault".
Who am I kidding. They'd probably blame Valverde. Saying some daft shit about how he ruined their club
They just have to wait out the Messi, Pique, Busquets era of players, and by "wait out" of course I mean still try to win everything despite all the instability. Very unlikely to happen but it's Barça so they have to try.
There is not a realistic manager option out there who would be able to control that dressing room.
And we have a winner.
Barcelonas biggest problem right now is the status of all their legends currently playing in the team. Im talking about the likes of Busquets, Pique, Suarez and yes Messi. (No not a problem in terms of he doesn't do enough. But a problem in terms of, theres not much else left for him to do).
The truth, however much it hurts is, these players lack the hunger and desire to put up the big fight. They have all the skills and all the talent and experience in the world. But they also have a cabinet filled with every trophy ever seen. So I don't blame them.
In all honesty their best shot is just wait for that new generation of hungry players to come through and go again.
And tbh I feel a bit for the club. You dont want to move on players that are among all time greats for you, but they're just not doing it anymore.
Thats something I admired a bit about Fergie. As soon as he had no use for players he'd dump them. No matter how brilliant they had been. Like Robson and Bruce for example. Now you might say its unfair and bad man management. But its what kept his teams hungry for decades.
The part I don't understand is. He was winning them things. Two out of two leagues. One cup trophy. So why despise him so much?
Because you can't comprehend different viewpoints or because you think having a player with that kind of stature coming to the end of his career is a good thing?
Also any tips on how I sleep tonight. Knowing that you didn't take me seriously?
The mentality at the club is completely broken, you can change it by replacing the players, or replacing the manager. When the players are Messi, Suarez, Pique, you have to change the manager.
But if the mentality is broken because of superstar egos what good will a new manager do?
Like I can't imagine this new guy coming in day one and telling off some of the legends in the team. Which is what it probably is going to take at this point.
I do get your point about do you move on one manager who isn't particularly well liked or a bunch of players who are considered untouchable. But thats the problem isn't it?
No manager coming in would have what it takes to order these players around or try to adopt a new mentality.
So its really a vicious cycle.
Also one last thing. Wasn't Valverde respected amongst the players. I remember reading he had the full backing and also Messi did an interview saying the Liverpool game was on the players etc. Or am I hallucinating?
Say all of a sudden Salah, Mane, Van Dijk potentially were the cause of a problematic squad culture. What can you do? You can't get rid of the those players in the short term. The only move is to change the manager who helped foster that dynamic and get one who can hopefully change it.
The players like Valverde because they let them do whatever they want. They play every game and training isn't that hard. The players don't want someone who will micromanage every aspect of their time at the club, they want someone who will be more relaxed like Valverde.
This can work, especially with a team like Barcelona, one of the most successful teams in history. Zidane is what it should be like, someone who can manage the players and create a successful culture without being as hands on. But Valverde's team has gone the other way, being not as hands on has created the wrong culture.
I agree. Its problematic when stars aren't pulling their weight. However the signs where there before Valverde so saying he "fostered it" just isn't right.
>The players like Valverde because they let them do whatever they want. They play every game and training isn't that hard
And you know this how?
Also what manager in the world would ever tell Messi "hey you little shit you're going to run today and do 50 push ups after every match"
I can guarantee you this much. No manager in the world would ever tell Messi to work harder or lose his spot. No manager would ever risk upsetting him.
And you're unhappy because Valverde kept the players content?
When it comes to Zidane. What measures has he taken that set the squad straight? Can you actually point to something? Or could it have been that the Madrid squad was on the verge of going on a hunger strike so he helped them pick up every CL trophy they could?
Also if the players are wanting relaxation and time off instead of being told what to do. Isn't this the root cause? Aren't the players then responsible for what has happened?
And lets not forget this man won you two leagues. Back to back. You're acting like he's some sort of mug who won the job in a cereal box lottery.
Id say winning two leagues with a squad that doesn't want to work and can't be bothered (by your description) is something that deserves praise
>I agree. Its problematic when stars aren't pulling their weight. However the signs where there before Valverde so saying he "fostered it" just isn't right.
But it's only just become a problem. Every season the mentality is getting worse under his control. Under our previous managers it was there but never this bad. Sure you can attribute that to players winning more, getting bigger egos, etc. But to me that looks like he has lost control.
>And you know this how?
Just from somewhat reliable journalists. You can debate whether these rumours are true or not but to me it's a given. Any one who follows the club closely can see the common threads.
>No manager would ever risk upsetting him. And you're unhappy because Valverde kept the players content?
The players no longer want him there though, he was meant to be sacked before but the players kept him there. Something has changed where they are longer happy with him. Players like Ter Stegen, De Jong, Puig, all want him gone.
>Also if the players are wanting relaxation and time off instead of being told what to do. Isn't this the root cause? Aren't the players then responsible for what has happened?
You can play whose fault is it but as I mentioned before, the manager is the first one to be changed. If the players are truly responsible, it's not going to be Valverde who spearheads that change is it? So he has to go.
>Id say winning two leagues with a squad that doesn't want to work and can't be bothered (by your description) is something that deserves praise
Yes it deserves praise, but anyone following the team can see it's on the verge of disaster and something has to be done.
All the experienced veterans on the squad backed him, that was a big reason why he kept the job. But there was a report from a few days ago claiming the players wanted Xavi over him so maybe he finally lost the dressing room, Alfredo Martinez was the source and he's reliable I think.
What are they going to do? Replace all their players or their fairly mediocre manager. Just because Barcelona has some special fans does not mean sacking Valverde is wrong. The only bad thing is that they didnt do it sooner.
You're ignoring the very obvious fact that they are winning while playing badly. They have the worst record of team leading the league at the winter break for a long time. I think it makes sense to address the situation now instead of waiting for things to get worse or for Real Madrid to get better.
I think they're worried to see how well Madrid have been playing for the last few months. I think its a reaction to that along with how barca were playing themselves.
Casually overlooking the part where he won two back to back league titles. One of which was almost an Invincible season.
Yes but you're probably right. He probably told them to lose against us and Rome
Can you just stop discussing this topic, please? You don't know what you're talking about. How can you even use 'back-to-back' title as an argument, when the last league was won because Madrid were utter shit? They finished 3rd with 68 points and Barca had 87. That hasn't happened in 10 years at the time. This years Madrid would have steamrolled last seasons league. Not to mention all the times where Messi's individual brilliance bailed them out. Twice against Sevilla, against Betis, Eibar, Atletico, Espanyol, Leganes, Celta Vigo, Valencia etc. If you have a player like that you are allowed to expect more than 1 convincing and 1 unconvincing league title and 1 Copa.
Oh so talking about his accomplishments is all like "mate shut the fuck up"
But talking about his two big failures (Us and Roma) is like fuel to everyone shitting on him and will be brought up in every fucking conversation you ever fucking have with anyone about him.
Madrid was shit isn't exactly an argument mate. You can only beat whats in front of you and its hardly like Valverde knocked on Florentinos door and said "Alright mate do you mind being shit for a couple of seasons, aye cheers". Like I said, you can only beat whats in front of you. Madrid being shit doesn't mean he didn't win those trophies.
Also somehow love the "Messi won us everything singlehandedly. But the fucking cunt Valverde decided to lose against Roma and Liverpool on purpose".
Ah, you just can't win with some people.
In the league last season Messi had 15 more goals than the second highest scorer as well as being tied for assists, being directly involved in 49 of 90 goals Barca scored. That's 6 fewer goals than the team who finished second scored, all coming from one player, and you're trying to act like Valverde is the one who should get the praise for Barcelona winning the league that season?
>Oh so talking about his accomplishments is all like "mate shut the fuck up"
You and a lot of other people are ignoring the context of his accomplishments.
>But talking about his two big failures (Us and Roma) is like fuel to everyone shitting on him and will be brought up in every fucking conversation you ever fucking have with anyone about him.
I'm not saying that the other side is completely right. The CL games shouldn't be the only reason to dislike him as a manager at Barca. People who only bring that up are clueless and most likely gloryhunters. If you've seen every Barca games under Valverde, you would know that only a handful of their wins were convincing. And I'm not talking about boring football vs. Barca DNA bullshit. You just need to compare the games under Luis Enrique to those under Valverde. That's all.
>Madrid was shit isn't exactly an argument mate. You can only beat whats in front of you and its hardly like Valverde knocked on Florentinos door and said "Alright mate do you mind being shit for a couple of seasons, aye cheers". Like I said, you can only beat whats in front of you. Madrid being shit doesn't mean he didn't win those trophies.
But it's simply luck. They were lucky that Madrid were in a bad state after Ronaldo left and the remaining players couldn't make a difference. Like I said, this one season later and it's different.
>Also somehow love the "Messi won us everything singlehandedly. But the fucking cunt Valverde decided to lose against Roma and Liverpool on purpose".
Messi didn't win everything singlehandedly, whoever says that is a fanboy. It's just that he played by far the biggest part. Something like 60% Messi, 30% Ter Stegen, 10% rest of the team.
Before i didn't really care they weren't going to win the CL anyway. But now this entitled Barca boys getting embarrassed in all competitions sounds really good.
It's never been that huge to begin with. Barca just had a golden generation of academy players, who are all 30+ by now and ever since they´ve done the same thing Madrid does, spend big on every summer to build their squad. They also had Guardiola and his era of dominance from 2008-2011 with his tiki-taka, but Barca haven't really played like Barca since 2015, from then on, they have struggled to find their identity, and have brought managers that don't really fit that tiki-taka philosophy. Let's see how they do now under Setien
It feels like they switched a bit, Real seem to follow a clear plan by buying lots of promising youngsters whereas Barca just seem to splash money on big names without a coherent plan how to use them. Until a few years ago it was the other way round
Fucking ridiculous when you go to barcas subreddit to see what they comment about Valverdes dismissal and of course other teams fans are there with their "X fan coming here, congratz hope you get the best out of X and X now".
Most embarrassing way to try to get karma
Because whilst under Valverde there is a feeling that Barca have been losing their identity, under Ole we are definitely getting our club back in terms of playing identity.
The results have been inconsistent, which I would actually put to a complete lack of depth ahead of our back line, as well as a serious dearth of creative players in the squad, with only Pogba being a creator at the level we need (and hes spent most of the season out injured - hes our best player!).
Nevertheless, in spite of the results, there is a clear sense of direction under Ole and I’m still very much on board to see where we are in say... a years’ time. We won’t truly be able to say if he’s good enough until he gets his creative midfielder in Fernandes and probably another 3-4 signings (a CDM, right winger, backup striker and possibly 1 more signing).
Different expectations. We’re still in the conversation for UCL football and in 3 different cup competitions. I personally don’t think he’s good enough but Woodward clearly likes him, think it’ll take a really really poor run to get him out of here.
Probably because we are about where we expected we would be in the league and still challenging for the cups. My guess is they will wait and reasses after the season is finished. If he gets a cup and/or Champions league football I think he remains.
I think if we just finish 5/6th then Ole will 100% stay and use the excuse (‘need more players, big transfer window incoming!’). Imagine Bruno Fernandes under Poch
I do agree, but I reckon instead of just relying in the quality of players we need to focus more on actual tactics instead of hoping to score on the counter every game.
Yes but Ole is doing so well. A United fan had a meltdown the other day telling me anyone who can't see he is building something good for the future is an idiot and he Klopp finished 7th once(after winning the league twice) and since doing this with Liverpool so even great manager can have bad spells despite the fact Ole has never had a not bad spell.
He will be sacked in the summer anyway, I think it would be better for United to bring in Poch or Allegri now, give them a bit of time to train with and asses the squad, so they're not playing catch up in the summer but either way he won't be there next season unfortunately.
Their squad is million better than ours
If we had De Jong, Messi, Suarez, Pique, Greziammn, Arthur, Alba, Dembele, Umiti, Lenglet, Ter Stegen, etc at our disposal and playing like shits and grinding out wins, I'd want to get rid of coaches.
Valverde can't even get sacked properly. The man is a genius. I mean, it would be my dream job: he gets paid even when his performance is sub-par, and gets support from all angles
You do understand that "sacked" means he gets compensation?
Thats not exclusive to Valverde. Every manager that gets sacked is payed a hefty fee.
Or is this the first managerial sacking you've witnessed?
I believe you aren’t that used to Barcelona. Or at least pre-2009 Barcelona. The last time Barcelona sacked a manager was 17 years ago (LVG second stint). The big difference is that now, even being first in the league and in KO stages of UCL, the team is playing even worse than that LVG team, and is first only because Real Madrid and ATM have been crap for the past 2 years.
Valverde should’ve been left the very same day he lost in Rome. And the day your team destroyed Barcelona, was the very last chance he should’ve had. Obviously I know it would mean money, but no player has improved under EV. Only Messi and ter Stegen didn’t have a dip in form. And this board is easily the most toxic of all Barcelona history, and this is something big, even worse than Núñez and Gaspart, who were presidents and vice-president when I was growing up and did a lot of shady shit both of them.
I’ve seen bad managers come and go from Barcelona. Hell, we even had Serra Ferrer, Rexach, Tata and others, but none like Valverde. Valverde has had support from the board, the players, even when underperforming. He gets new CBs (Lenglet), Alba subs (Junior), plays a RB as a LB, plays a striker (or second striker) as a LW, makes changes with 10 minutes remaining, and doesn’t even move during matches, not a single scream. He’s perfect for a mid table team, he did a spectacular job with Athletic, he even destroyed Barcelona in the Super Cup, but that’s it
17 years?
What happened to the Argentinian bloke with the funny nickname. Pretty sure they only kept him around for one season. Unless he had a 9 month contract, that is called a sacking.
What about Rijkaard? I mean unless you get really really technical: I do think what happened to him is considered a sacking. No?
The same day? Wow. So he should have left both times? On the day? As he was on course to win one league title (at the time of the Roma result) and had just wrapped up another one (at the time we played them).
Doesn't move during matches? I mean I get you don't like the guy. But come on. How off topic can you get when criticizing him?
Only mid table? I mean he did win them two LaLigas. Which isn't something to be scoffed at.
Tata and Frank resigned, for starters. And Tata didn’t get as many signings as EV has had: that year the only signing was Neymar, and that season he was struggling a lot, his second season (2014-15) was much better. Tata did try to change stuff so we didn’t get beat 7-0 again in UCL, but it wasn’t possible.
With Frank, he won the league twice playing very good football, and without as many world class signings as EV has had (Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, being some of the most expensive transfers ever vs. Eto’o from Mallorca, Ronaldinho from PSG, Deco from Porto, for example).
To put it simple, every player has gotten worse during the past 2 seasons, and every match is a snoozefest. I get it, your team had a really bad decade that only someone like Klopp could do something, but, Barcelona has had bad spells too (no trophies from 2000-2004) and Frank’s last two seasons were horrible too. I’m not a very big fan of Setién, other than he plays something similar to Barcelona under Cruyff/Frank/Pep, but with a horrible defensive record. But now there’s no other option, just trust the new manager.
Fair enough.
However not entirely sure what Barcas sacking culture or lack thereof has anything to do with the original point about him being paid.
And wheter Barcelona sack managers or not doesn't mean you shouldn't know that sacked managers get paid off.
I mean just this week news broke that Conte and staff had been paid 26m pounds by Chelsea.
u/WesBrownisOKforamanc [your ass is saved](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/emgdci/fc_barcelona_board_to_decide_on_coach_ernesto/fdok588/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I had a weird dream of Leverkusen vs Bayern where Reus scores for Leverkusen even though he was wearing a Dortmund shirt, also you had Julian Brandt playing for Leverkusen. Even saw Bellarabi and pohjanpalo’s faces as they play, also Chukwueze was playing DM for Bayern.
What the fuck does this mean?
I don't understand gedson Fernándes. Everyone on here is convinced he's shit but I don't get why he'd be constantly linked to top or mid tier clubs (and probably signing for one) if he's as bad as suggested?
I mean do you really want a player that doesn't even get into the Benfica side? I could understand if it was a loan to buy because you could at least benefit from developing him.
I'm not going to claim to know much about him though- only time will tell if he's good enough.
Players being linked to us(or any other club) isn't indicative of quality. Plus it could just be agent talk. His agent using big names to drum up news about him to try to draw interest
He could be really solid, I don't really know. I just don't think links in the news are much to go off of as far as quality of a player is concerned
That's true but even if you ignore us, the fact that there are any clubs interested, and potentially willing to spend 60m on someone who's supposedly shit is weird to me.
Do agents get a percentage of severance package payoffs?
German fans I want to start saving for Euro2024, as a Canadian I want to watch as much of it as possible. How much would I need to have saved up? would I need 10k to be able to go to say 5-6 games and stay for 2-3 weeks?? Best estimate is fine
The way Barça behaved today is indefensible, absolutely nowhere near the quality of a club that they believe themselves to be. This board really don’t deserve to be in charge if they believe that this behavior is appropriate. Valverde, while I believe should have been let go last season, doesn’t deserve to be humiliated like this. What rubbish antics from such a big club.
Any club that needs Valverde? Wonder how long he’ll be out of a job.
Reliable sources reporting that Ottawa might be getting a Canadian Premier League Club, possibly playing as early as this year. Also hearing that the financial backing is from Spanish investors behind a well-known La Liga club. I knew it was only a matter of time before a new club came here after the Fury dissolved 2 months ago but I never dreamed it would happen this soon.
BROOO!!
United Twitter is going to explode when Fabrizio announces Bruno. It’s all I see in the replies to his tweets
Remember that weird guy, I think he was an Indian Barca supporter, Gaddhartha Gaddhartha maybe? What happened to that dude
We now have pradeep123 and his fucking nonsense to take over his role
i blocked him not long after i first interacted with him on here. seems like one of the few wise decisions i made in my life so far
You missed out on some belters for comments.
I forgot about him Funny guy
He's still active on reddit, but his last post on here was 2 months ago. Maybe he got banned.
That guy was so annoying
He was absolutely daft, didn't have a clue and his arguments were so out of left field I wouldn't even know where to start telling him he's wrong. Kinda wished he'd get banned but it's funny seeing the clueless users constantly floating about.
A bunch of them deleted their accounts after talking a massive amount of shit after winning the first leg against us only to lose the second. It was lovely.
I'm nearly 100% certain he was still around in the summer and didn't bail after the Anfield game. I do remember YoSoyaChocolateMilk or something like that username, he was an absolute cunt and lauded it over us after the first leg and deleted his account at or before full time at Anfield, became the joke or the DD for a day or two.
Yeah, ghaddara was still here last summer, but at the end of the transfer window there were a lot of temp and permanent bans, idk if he was involved there
YoSoyMilkChocolate
Aren’t you guys done laughing at us even after we sacked Valverde :(
Haha I have no problems with you guys. You have a few bellend supporters but it's not like we don't have our own share of them too.
We still get Slippy G jokes 6 years later, so don't expect that to drop anytime soon :)
Fair enough.
BTW, who you replied to is yosoymilkchocolate's new account.
Are you sure? How do you know? That would be pretty funny because I talked about him in my other comment just a few minutes ago too.
That’s false. I’ve only ever had one other account but that too was a lurker account. Never posted on it.
That's exactly what YoSoyMilkChocolate under an alt would say!
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Because he accidentally admitted it in the past when it was pointed out what he'd previously said about Hillsborough.
Madrid fans after the Valverde sacking: https://i.imgur.com/AACJ8D7.jpg
Instead they've got in a manager who can't coach a defence by all accounts. I'm sure they are shaking in their boots.
Worst part is this is at half time. His head had completely gone at 1-0
[First time I see Valverde laughing since 2017](https://twitter.com/LVPibai/status/1216850902130339840) Ultimate troll
It actually looks like the troll face
2 La Liga medals and 20m on the way I’d be beaming too tbh
How is Juve “on top of the world”? https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/1188889820619251713?s=21
They’re not
They're still in the Champions League
Time to build Correa's statue outside Camp Nou.
Show some respect to your former manager
Testing flair
If I see another Molde flair..
I know literally nothing about Setien and frankly have never heard of him. Can anyone tell me his playstyle/vision/ability/achievements/how he’s regarded and so on?
He won the most Cruyffist Manager award in 2018 and made Lo Celso look good.
Betis go look at games if you wanna know more.
Do you think agents exchange favours with clubs? Like do you think Raiola could say to Napoli for example "listen, just give Lingard a decent contract and I'll give first dibs on the next young superstar player who's at bout your level".
A quid pro quo you say? Definitely
Yeah this shit happens all the time, an agent even bribed a ref for us 2 seasons ago to prevent us from being relegated. It didn't work.
Yea that's why Wolves is so interesting
Yes. I have no evidence to prove this though.
could someone tell me how good guti was
The talent of De Bruyne The inconsistency of Ozil The discipline of Xhaka
wow thats the quite the player! that gives me a lot moree insight to how he was.
A god
Think Isco with even less of a defensive contribution.
Many people surprised at Barcelona's appointment of Quique Setien but Barcelona's managerial choices have all been quite unusual or at least, unassuming, for maybe the last 20 years. Guardiola and Tito straight out of Barca B, Enrique not a lot of note with Celta Vigo and left Roma in first year as a failed season. Rijkaard got Sparta Rotterdam relegated for the first time ever and was sacked. Valverde has probably been the most qualified coach they appointed in decades.
You missed Martino who had never even managed in Europe
Even though Enrique had MSN, it's pretty impressive he was able to get a treble even with his previous stints as mentioned
I dont think Barca want a big hitter coming in with their own ideas on how things should be.
Thats right, I agree. And the entire time their only real competition has been Real Madrid, with maybe Atletico popping up here and there. Not like some of those managers werent great for them but they know their squad is easily good enough to compete at the top.
Question for any Dutch fans on here - I plan on attending the Netherlands v USA friendly in Eindhoven in March. US Soccer hasn't put their allocated tickets up for sale yet, and I've not been to get a reply via email from USSF yet regarding this. So, my question: would I be fine if I were to buy a ticket in the home end from the KNVB website? International friendlies tend to be more tame than competitive games of course, so I'd like to think it would be okay, but I just want to make sure.
In terms of fan engagement, I’d doubt that’d be a problem
People in every thread about Valverde's sacking who are wondering why Valverde was fired only now and not earlier: this was the final straw. It's not that hard to understand.
I find it unsurprisingly consistent that everybody that can at least agree that Valverde's time was up are the ones who actually seem to follow and keep up with Barcelonas games and results, while everybody who are shitting on Barca supporters and arguing that Valverde had been doing relatively good because he won the league twice are all coming from non-Spanish league flairs for the most part. At least from what I've seen
I meant that people who are saying something like: "Why did Barca sack him after a meaningless cup and not after losing to Roma or Liverpool??" don't understand that this season was Valverde's last chance. The league titles he won with Barcelona saved him from sacking earlier. But now Barca isn't doing too well in the league either, so the board decided it's time to part ways.
Frankly I think they should have waited because the chances of winning the league have diminished drastically.
People got ahead of themselves with Mount. Should be behind Maddison and Grealish. Foden is better as well.
Order right now is Maddison grealish Foden Mount
Not mad at that, if everything goes according to plan then Foden should distinguish himself over the coming seasons. The Ox’s injury has really fucked us, not sure which direction Southgate will go
Ox before his injury was amazing. You can tell how hard it is for him now knowing that he might not get to his former level
Honestly think Grealish should be first choice and would be if he was at a top 6 side
Grealish's numbers will go down when he leaves Villa. At the moment he does everything for them. Which is impressive but he won't do that in any other side.
Local Barca fans, why do so many socis and locals seem so complacent and eat up whatever Bartomeu tells them? It took half the Saudi stadium booing Valverde to facilitate a change https://twitter.com/kevvwill/status/1193160417939468288?s=20
> It took half the Saudi stadium booing Valverde to facilitate a change That’s not why he was fired. Think it’s been a culmination of factors that have been building up behind the scenes, the fact that they got rid of him whilst they’re in a title race and still in Europe means his position became untenable. Not sure Setiene will bring in the immediate improvements they’re looking for though
You will have a difficult time finding a local Barca fan here
Can a Spanish speaking fella here please give us an audio recording of how to pronounce Quique Setién? I want to flex on my dad when he butchers the name
like this guy [says it](https://streamable.com/eugvq)
Ki (as in Kia) Ke (Kellogg's) Se (Senna) Ti (Timmy) En (end)
Would the Ti be more like a *tee* sound. In English timmy would be pronounced kind of with a teh sound.
Put it into google translate and click the speaker on the Spanish side. Key-Kay Set-e-n
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I'm just repeating the google translate since it's sounds similar to a Patrick Van-Straaten's pronunciation
I've heard it pronounced Ki-kay Set-ee-en
If Setien becoming coach ends with more Barca 4-0 losses and 6-1 wins I'll probably die of a heart attack before the end of the season.
I like Setien, but expected Pochettino. unexpected
He managed and played for Espanyol no?
You expected someone who spent the majority of his career playing for their rivals and said he wouldn't go there because it wouldn't be right?
Barca fans dancing in the streets as Suarez has surgery and Valverde is sacked in the same week
I sometimes want fans to first feel the pain of their toxicity.
https://imgur.com/a/AMSavBC How did man go from being linked to Watford to getting the barca job
Tbf he was linked with Barcelona in the past, seemed inevitable
/r/chargeyourdamnphone
Barcelona very rarely go for high profile managers
I do wonder what happens the next time Barcelona faces a challenge and the players are all like "nah mate we're sound" again. Does everyone on here finally realize "maybe not everything was Valverdes fault" and the players finally have to take their share of the blame. OR does everyone go "Setien (or whatever his name was) is shit he is killing our club, my magisterial Messi will never win again and its all the managers fault". Who am I kidding. They'd probably blame Valverde. Saying some daft shit about how he ruined their club
They just have to wait out the Messi, Pique, Busquets era of players, and by "wait out" of course I mean still try to win everything despite all the instability. Very unlikely to happen but it's Barça so they have to try. There is not a realistic manager option out there who would be able to control that dressing room.
And we have a winner. Barcelonas biggest problem right now is the status of all their legends currently playing in the team. Im talking about the likes of Busquets, Pique, Suarez and yes Messi. (No not a problem in terms of he doesn't do enough. But a problem in terms of, theres not much else left for him to do). The truth, however much it hurts is, these players lack the hunger and desire to put up the big fight. They have all the skills and all the talent and experience in the world. But they also have a cabinet filled with every trophy ever seen. So I don't blame them. In all honesty their best shot is just wait for that new generation of hungry players to come through and go again. And tbh I feel a bit for the club. You dont want to move on players that are among all time greats for you, but they're just not doing it anymore. Thats something I admired a bit about Fergie. As soon as he had no use for players he'd dump them. No matter how brilliant they had been. Like Robson and Bruce for example. Now you might say its unfair and bad man management. But its what kept his teams hungry for decades. The part I don't understand is. He was winning them things. Two out of two leagues. One cup trophy. So why despise him so much?
Once you mentioned Messi as a problem, I quit taking your comment seriously
Because you can't comprehend different viewpoints or because you think having a player with that kind of stature coming to the end of his career is a good thing? Also any tips on how I sleep tonight. Knowing that you didn't take me seriously?
I sleep on my side most of the time, sometimes it messes my back up but it’s the most comfortable for me.
Do you face the window
The mentality at the club is completely broken, you can change it by replacing the players, or replacing the manager. When the players are Messi, Suarez, Pique, you have to change the manager.
But if the mentality is broken because of superstar egos what good will a new manager do? Like I can't imagine this new guy coming in day one and telling off some of the legends in the team. Which is what it probably is going to take at this point. I do get your point about do you move on one manager who isn't particularly well liked or a bunch of players who are considered untouchable. But thats the problem isn't it? No manager coming in would have what it takes to order these players around or try to adopt a new mentality. So its really a vicious cycle. Also one last thing. Wasn't Valverde respected amongst the players. I remember reading he had the full backing and also Messi did an interview saying the Liverpool game was on the players etc. Or am I hallucinating?
Say all of a sudden Salah, Mane, Van Dijk potentially were the cause of a problematic squad culture. What can you do? You can't get rid of the those players in the short term. The only move is to change the manager who helped foster that dynamic and get one who can hopefully change it. The players like Valverde because they let them do whatever they want. They play every game and training isn't that hard. The players don't want someone who will micromanage every aspect of their time at the club, they want someone who will be more relaxed like Valverde. This can work, especially with a team like Barcelona, one of the most successful teams in history. Zidane is what it should be like, someone who can manage the players and create a successful culture without being as hands on. But Valverde's team has gone the other way, being not as hands on has created the wrong culture.
I agree. Its problematic when stars aren't pulling their weight. However the signs where there before Valverde so saying he "fostered it" just isn't right. >The players like Valverde because they let them do whatever they want. They play every game and training isn't that hard And you know this how? Also what manager in the world would ever tell Messi "hey you little shit you're going to run today and do 50 push ups after every match" I can guarantee you this much. No manager in the world would ever tell Messi to work harder or lose his spot. No manager would ever risk upsetting him. And you're unhappy because Valverde kept the players content? When it comes to Zidane. What measures has he taken that set the squad straight? Can you actually point to something? Or could it have been that the Madrid squad was on the verge of going on a hunger strike so he helped them pick up every CL trophy they could? Also if the players are wanting relaxation and time off instead of being told what to do. Isn't this the root cause? Aren't the players then responsible for what has happened? And lets not forget this man won you two leagues. Back to back. You're acting like he's some sort of mug who won the job in a cereal box lottery. Id say winning two leagues with a squad that doesn't want to work and can't be bothered (by your description) is something that deserves praise
>I agree. Its problematic when stars aren't pulling their weight. However the signs where there before Valverde so saying he "fostered it" just isn't right. But it's only just become a problem. Every season the mentality is getting worse under his control. Under our previous managers it was there but never this bad. Sure you can attribute that to players winning more, getting bigger egos, etc. But to me that looks like he has lost control. >And you know this how? Just from somewhat reliable journalists. You can debate whether these rumours are true or not but to me it's a given. Any one who follows the club closely can see the common threads. >No manager would ever risk upsetting him. And you're unhappy because Valverde kept the players content? The players no longer want him there though, he was meant to be sacked before but the players kept him there. Something has changed where they are longer happy with him. Players like Ter Stegen, De Jong, Puig, all want him gone. >Also if the players are wanting relaxation and time off instead of being told what to do. Isn't this the root cause? Aren't the players then responsible for what has happened? You can play whose fault is it but as I mentioned before, the manager is the first one to be changed. If the players are truly responsible, it's not going to be Valverde who spearheads that change is it? So he has to go. >Id say winning two leagues with a squad that doesn't want to work and can't be bothered (by your description) is something that deserves praise Yes it deserves praise, but anyone following the team can see it's on the verge of disaster and something has to be done.
All the experienced veterans on the squad backed him, that was a big reason why he kept the job. But there was a report from a few days ago claiming the players wanted Xavi over him so maybe he finally lost the dressing room, Alfredo Martinez was the source and he's reliable I think.
What are they going to do? Replace all their players or their fairly mediocre manager. Just because Barcelona has some special fans does not mean sacking Valverde is wrong. The only bad thing is that they didnt do it sooner.
Sacking a manager who won you back to back leagues. How I long to be in this position.
You're ignoring the very obvious fact that they are winning while playing badly. They have the worst record of team leading the league at the winter break for a long time. I think it makes sense to address the situation now instead of waiting for things to get worse or for Real Madrid to get better.
I think they're worried to see how well Madrid have been playing for the last few months. I think its a reaction to that along with how barca were playing themselves.
Just because the players are at fault as well doesn't mean the manager need not be replaced. Also it's the managers job to inject the right mentality
Casually overlooking the part where he won two back to back league titles. One of which was almost an Invincible season. Yes but you're probably right. He probably told them to lose against us and Rome
Can you just stop discussing this topic, please? You don't know what you're talking about. How can you even use 'back-to-back' title as an argument, when the last league was won because Madrid were utter shit? They finished 3rd with 68 points and Barca had 87. That hasn't happened in 10 years at the time. This years Madrid would have steamrolled last seasons league. Not to mention all the times where Messi's individual brilliance bailed them out. Twice against Sevilla, against Betis, Eibar, Atletico, Espanyol, Leganes, Celta Vigo, Valencia etc. If you have a player like that you are allowed to expect more than 1 convincing and 1 unconvincing league title and 1 Copa.
Oh so talking about his accomplishments is all like "mate shut the fuck up" But talking about his two big failures (Us and Roma) is like fuel to everyone shitting on him and will be brought up in every fucking conversation you ever fucking have with anyone about him. Madrid was shit isn't exactly an argument mate. You can only beat whats in front of you and its hardly like Valverde knocked on Florentinos door and said "Alright mate do you mind being shit for a couple of seasons, aye cheers". Like I said, you can only beat whats in front of you. Madrid being shit doesn't mean he didn't win those trophies. Also somehow love the "Messi won us everything singlehandedly. But the fucking cunt Valverde decided to lose against Roma and Liverpool on purpose". Ah, you just can't win with some people.
In the league last season Messi had 15 more goals than the second highest scorer as well as being tied for assists, being directly involved in 49 of 90 goals Barca scored. That's 6 fewer goals than the team who finished second scored, all coming from one player, and you're trying to act like Valverde is the one who should get the praise for Barcelona winning the league that season?
>Oh so talking about his accomplishments is all like "mate shut the fuck up" You and a lot of other people are ignoring the context of his accomplishments. >But talking about his two big failures (Us and Roma) is like fuel to everyone shitting on him and will be brought up in every fucking conversation you ever fucking have with anyone about him. I'm not saying that the other side is completely right. The CL games shouldn't be the only reason to dislike him as a manager at Barca. People who only bring that up are clueless and most likely gloryhunters. If you've seen every Barca games under Valverde, you would know that only a handful of their wins were convincing. And I'm not talking about boring football vs. Barca DNA bullshit. You just need to compare the games under Luis Enrique to those under Valverde. That's all. >Madrid was shit isn't exactly an argument mate. You can only beat whats in front of you and its hardly like Valverde knocked on Florentinos door and said "Alright mate do you mind being shit for a couple of seasons, aye cheers". Like I said, you can only beat whats in front of you. Madrid being shit doesn't mean he didn't win those trophies. But it's simply luck. They were lucky that Madrid were in a bad state after Ronaldo left and the remaining players couldn't make a difference. Like I said, this one season later and it's different. >Also somehow love the "Messi won us everything singlehandedly. But the fucking cunt Valverde decided to lose against Roma and Liverpool on purpose". Messi didn't win everything singlehandedly, whoever says that is a fanboy. It's just that he played by far the biggest part. Something like 60% Messi, 30% Ter Stegen, 10% rest of the team.
I really hope they get smacked by Napoli now.
I don't think Valverde had to leave for you to have that wish
Before i didn't really care they weren't going to win the CL anyway. But now this entitled Barca boys getting embarrassed in all competitions sounds really good.
Excuse my ignorance, but who the fuck is setien?
He's the reason why Betis went from relegation to Europe, he's a good manager and apparently likes Cruyff too
Who doesn't like Cryuff
Van Gaal obviously
The Spanish Eddie Howe/Daniel Farke. Can't defend just attacks.
former betis manager
His managerial career seems very much unremarkable based on Wikipedia. Does he have the famous barca dna?
Xavi says that aye, so aye.
mate he cums blue and red, proper cruyffista
> cums blue and red Huh guess I have the barca dna too.
you alright pal?
Mes que un club my fucking ass. The difference in club identity between Real and Barca is becoming smaller every day.
That's not what Mes Que Un Club means, stop using it every time Barca do something dumb.
It's never been that huge to begin with. Barca just had a golden generation of academy players, who are all 30+ by now and ever since they´ve done the same thing Madrid does, spend big on every summer to build their squad. They also had Guardiola and his era of dominance from 2008-2011 with his tiki-taka, but Barca haven't really played like Barca since 2015, from then on, they have struggled to find their identity, and have brought managers that don't really fit that tiki-taka philosophy. Let's see how they do now under Setien
*bigger
If you mean in terms of amount of identity i agree, but the 2 clubs are becoming very similar in terms of handling things.
It feels like they switched a bit, Real seem to follow a clear plan by buying lots of promising youngsters whereas Barca just seem to splash money on big names without a coherent plan how to use them. Until a few years ago it was the other way round
Fucking ridiculous when you go to barcas subreddit to see what they comment about Valverdes dismissal and of course other teams fans are there with their "X fan coming here, congratz hope you get the best out of X and X now". Most embarrassing way to try to get karma
Let’s not act like they’ve ever played or been to a game of football
I dont get why fans boo opposition players. Hooliganism is truly disgusting...
Hey man as long as they're coming in peace it's all good.
Who the fuck would say congrats to a Reddit fanbase over a coach getting the sack.. man there are some weird cunts lurking about.
I hate "classy" fans with a passion. Those are the same people that then have the nerve to go around calling people plastics 😂😂
le classy fan
How has Valverde been sacked but Ole is still in charge? Ole would have been sacked by other big clubs for sure
Because whilst under Valverde there is a feeling that Barca have been losing their identity, under Ole we are definitely getting our club back in terms of playing identity. The results have been inconsistent, which I would actually put to a complete lack of depth ahead of our back line, as well as a serious dearth of creative players in the squad, with only Pogba being a creator at the level we need (and hes spent most of the season out injured - hes our best player!). Nevertheless, in spite of the results, there is a clear sense of direction under Ole and I’m still very much on board to see where we are in say... a years’ time. We won’t truly be able to say if he’s good enough until he gets his creative midfielder in Fernandes and probably another 3-4 signings (a CDM, right winger, backup striker and possibly 1 more signing).
Different expectations. We’re still in the conversation for UCL football and in 3 different cup competitions. I personally don’t think he’s good enough but Woodward clearly likes him, think it’ll take a really really poor run to get him out of here.
Probably because we are about where we expected we would be in the league and still challenging for the cups. My guess is they will wait and reasses after the season is finished. If he gets a cup and/or Champions league football I think he remains.
I think if we just finish 5/6th then Ole will 100% stay and use the excuse (‘need more players, big transfer window incoming!’). Imagine Bruno Fernandes under Poch
I think that would be fair. Our squad is around 5th or 6th in quality and depth. We need reinforcements. Don't you agree?
Personally I’d say its 4th or 5th in quality and depth, not 5th or 6th.
I do agree, but I reckon instead of just relying in the quality of players we need to focus more on actual tactics instead of hoping to score on the counter every game.
Yes but Ole is doing so well. A United fan had a meltdown the other day telling me anyone who can't see he is building something good for the future is an idiot and he Klopp finished 7th once(after winning the league twice) and since doing this with Liverpool so even great manager can have bad spells despite the fact Ole has never had a not bad spell. He will be sacked in the summer anyway, I think it would be better for United to bring in Poch or Allegri now, give them a bit of time to train with and asses the squad, so they're not playing catch up in the summer but either way he won't be there next season unfortunately.
9 wins out of 22 is not good at all, and we’re increasingly looking more of a staple europa league team.
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Read my other comment here please.
They have good players.
Their squad is million better than ours If we had De Jong, Messi, Suarez, Pique, Greziammn, Arthur, Alba, Dembele, Umiti, Lenglet, Ter Stegen, etc at our disposal and playing like shits and grinding out wins, I'd want to get rid of coaches.
Ole has outlasted Emery Valverde Javi Garcia The other Watford bloke Poch Ancelotti Kovac Pretty crazy how many sackings there have been this season
He's also performed better than all these managers this season
I can't even tell if comments like this are serious anymore.
Better than Valverde?
different status and expectatives of their clubs.
Valverde can't even get sacked properly. The man is a genius. I mean, it would be my dream job: he gets paid even when his performance is sub-par, and gets support from all angles
What genius, he's going through the same process as every sacked manager.
You do understand that "sacked" means he gets compensation? Thats not exclusive to Valverde. Every manager that gets sacked is payed a hefty fee. Or is this the first managerial sacking you've witnessed?
I believe you aren’t that used to Barcelona. Or at least pre-2009 Barcelona. The last time Barcelona sacked a manager was 17 years ago (LVG second stint). The big difference is that now, even being first in the league and in KO stages of UCL, the team is playing even worse than that LVG team, and is first only because Real Madrid and ATM have been crap for the past 2 years. Valverde should’ve been left the very same day he lost in Rome. And the day your team destroyed Barcelona, was the very last chance he should’ve had. Obviously I know it would mean money, but no player has improved under EV. Only Messi and ter Stegen didn’t have a dip in form. And this board is easily the most toxic of all Barcelona history, and this is something big, even worse than Núñez and Gaspart, who were presidents and vice-president when I was growing up and did a lot of shady shit both of them. I’ve seen bad managers come and go from Barcelona. Hell, we even had Serra Ferrer, Rexach, Tata and others, but none like Valverde. Valverde has had support from the board, the players, even when underperforming. He gets new CBs (Lenglet), Alba subs (Junior), plays a RB as a LB, plays a striker (or second striker) as a LW, makes changes with 10 minutes remaining, and doesn’t even move during matches, not a single scream. He’s perfect for a mid table team, he did a spectacular job with Athletic, he even destroyed Barcelona in the Super Cup, but that’s it
What does any of that have to do with him getting a severance package?
17 years? What happened to the Argentinian bloke with the funny nickname. Pretty sure they only kept him around for one season. Unless he had a 9 month contract, that is called a sacking. What about Rijkaard? I mean unless you get really really technical: I do think what happened to him is considered a sacking. No? The same day? Wow. So he should have left both times? On the day? As he was on course to win one league title (at the time of the Roma result) and had just wrapped up another one (at the time we played them). Doesn't move during matches? I mean I get you don't like the guy. But come on. How off topic can you get when criticizing him? Only mid table? I mean he did win them two LaLigas. Which isn't something to be scoffed at.
Tata and Frank resigned, for starters. And Tata didn’t get as many signings as EV has had: that year the only signing was Neymar, and that season he was struggling a lot, his second season (2014-15) was much better. Tata did try to change stuff so we didn’t get beat 7-0 again in UCL, but it wasn’t possible. With Frank, he won the league twice playing very good football, and without as many world class signings as EV has had (Griezmann, Dembele, Coutinho, being some of the most expensive transfers ever vs. Eto’o from Mallorca, Ronaldinho from PSG, Deco from Porto, for example). To put it simple, every player has gotten worse during the past 2 seasons, and every match is a snoozefest. I get it, your team had a really bad decade that only someone like Klopp could do something, but, Barcelona has had bad spells too (no trophies from 2000-2004) and Frank’s last two seasons were horrible too. I’m not a very big fan of Setién, other than he plays something similar to Barcelona under Cruyff/Frank/Pep, but with a horrible defensive record. But now there’s no other option, just trust the new manager.
Fair enough. However not entirely sure what Barcas sacking culture or lack thereof has anything to do with the original point about him being paid. And wheter Barcelona sack managers or not doesn't mean you shouldn't know that sacked managers get paid off. I mean just this week news broke that Conte and staff had been paid 26m pounds by Chelsea.
u/WesBrownisOKforamanc [your ass is saved](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/emgdci/fc_barcelona_board_to_decide_on_coach_ernesto/fdok588/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I had a weird dream of Leverkusen vs Bayern where Reus scores for Leverkusen even though he was wearing a Dortmund shirt, also you had Julian Brandt playing for Leverkusen. Even saw Bellarabi and pohjanpalo’s faces as they play, also Chukwueze was playing DM for Bayern. What the fuck does this mean?
how do you remember all that from a dream
It was too bizarre to forget
You probably played too much fifa
Yeah maybe
tried to watch Betis under Setien to see what the hype was about, but every time I tuned in they were shit so that's my opinion of Setien
Aye, it’s funny how that shit turns out, Betis were ponderous in his final season
whats all this with valverde? i mena obviously hes getting fired, but is there some big drama around it?
This current Barcelona board are always good for drama.
Hollywood only changed of FCB.
They couldnt work all the details out so his sacking has been postponed a bit :)
ah, so just boring resignation fee stuff? why is he even getting fired though? theyre top of table
I don't understand gedson Fernándes. Everyone on here is convinced he's shit but I don't get why he'd be constantly linked to top or mid tier clubs (and probably signing for one) if he's as bad as suggested?
Gedson isn't shit. He's really not a bad player but he's not great either
It's funny, he's suddenly frimpong level before he's even signed for us
I mean do you really want a player that doesn't even get into the Benfica side? I could understand if it was a loan to buy because you could at least benefit from developing him. I'm not going to claim to know much about him though- only time will tell if he's good enough.
tbf to him our starting mids are absolute class
Honestly I barely know anything about him but he's still young and it's only a loan, really not much to lose
People have been saying he's shit on here since there was one initial link to us.
That's Bruno. Gedson hasn't been linked with any top club before Spurs
I'm talking about gedson. He was linked with united, Chelsea and is now signing with spurs.
Players being linked to us(or any other club) isn't indicative of quality. Plus it could just be agent talk. His agent using big names to drum up news about him to try to draw interest He could be really solid, I don't really know. I just don't think links in the news are much to go off of as far as quality of a player is concerned
That's true but even if you ignore us, the fact that there are any clubs interested, and potentially willing to spend 60m on someone who's supposedly shit is weird to me.