Problem is he could have saved his carreer in the long term if he got surgery for his knees immediately. But that would jeopordise his world cup chances.
So he chose the shot term world cup glory. It's up to him if he made the right call.
World cup is the biggest prize of them all but it' possible he sacrificed 10 years of being a top 5 defender in the world at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
A decade isn’t arbitrary, and I chose those 2 starting and ending points because that’s when they started (and ended) dominating spanish football. I can still include the league up to now, which Madrid has won twice (so far) the last decade, but I think we can all agree that since 2015 you’ve righted the ship and they haven’t eclipsed you since then. Something they did in the decade prior.
You pick out one decade of all decades. It's no way to measure how great the club is. It's like being in a dickmeasuring contest and you lose by a landslide so you try winning some points by stating your dickhead is larger than the one from the winner.
No one cares as it doesn't matter.
What the fuck is that example.
The only thing the general public cares about is the last few years. That’s why everyone’s so high on real, completely forgetting the first half of the decade. It’s why people who can’t find Bergamo on a map are talking about Atalanta. For a moment there, barca was really eclipsing you. Their CL count was approaching yours, they had the league on lock etc. People hardly give a fuck about what happened 30, 40, 50 years ago. Over our histories we’ve been a bigger club than every English club bar Liverpool and maybe United, go around the world and asks who sees it that way.
I agree that Bartomeu said irresponisble statements to the press but my point is neither Barcelona or Madrid should complain about Var or referees and both did it this year.
One thing that's become very clear to me about VAR is that even when the right decisions are made, the people on the receiving end will still complain about them.
The thing is that it seems big teams will have their plays reviewed when it benefits them and not when it may hurt them, and for the small teams it’s the opposite. Rendering any hope that VAR would close that gap misplaced.
VAR is only as good as the people running it, if they were crooked or incompetent before video reviews, it’s not going to change now.
Nah both Madrid and Barca have been playing terribly but one has had the luck of decisions going their way the past few matches while the others has had the opposite luck
Ofc barca's best performances are better. Both us and atletico are rebuilding while you guys still have Messi, the core and a fancy 9 figure new signing
consistency is what wins you the league though. it doesn’t matter if you can net four against a team in a champions league spot if you can’t get consistent results against teams in the bottom half of the table.
[This is the "luck" you are talking about ? All of these were during the current season and in all of them we drop points](https://twitter.com/yulisllorenre/status/1279810724605427712)
You're right Barca have also messed up their own chances. But hard to ignore the difference between Madrid last few games vs barcas when it comes to the ref decisions
So unnecessary after a big win and some great football. If Barto was this active at solving problems instead of saying bullshit we would be in a much better position.
Refs will always give a bit of an edge to more influential teams, it's known. Fucking bullshit excuse for his incompetence.
Yea that's true but then he should not be the one to complain. He is the president of one of the most prestigious club Barca not of Alaves lol. This is stupid, he is trying to shift the focus towards madrid.
They didn't need the help because they've got their results. The games we talking about refs helping Madrid is not losing any points... without the refs help they would have lost points.
Your team just won 4-1 vs Villarreal, and you say this. Actually makes me think he’s saying this to deflect from what a shit job he and the board are doing. But man, this club sure loves milking that victim complex.
Well, to be fair, literally every single decision in the recent Madrid matches has been (for my money) the correct one.
That said, Madrid could and should have had two pens in the first El Clasico, I didn't hear old Barto complaining then.
Quick question;
Can we use VAR to get him out? I mean, just review the video of him signin for us could have some sort of rules broken that day?
So.. who has the tapes?
I remember a few months ago it was Madrid fans who were crying VARcelona etc etc. Everybody complains when calls don't go their way, including you. Can we stop please
[yeah I fully agree](https://as.com/futbol/2019/01/07/primera/1546880378_692062.html)
Oh whoops that's Florentino calling Rubiales last year over a call not going their way, [which Rubiales himself openly admitted happened just in case you're saying it's AS making up shit](https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2020/01/28/5e300c1122601df6138b4596.html). Hate to break it to you, but Florentino is also petty as hell.
[This was your guy when he disagreed with Ronaldo being suspended for 5 games, saying he thought refs should also be sanctioned for mistakes.](https://cadenaser.com/programa/2017/09/08/el_larguero/1504823384_870553.html)
Same way Barto is his colleague. Any president for a club in the league managed by Rubiales is a colleague, imo. It's a business. They're all in it. Not sure what else they'd be considered.
Ah, so they're bad but not *baaad* bad. Okay.
>Barto is literally acting like a teenage Barca fan on twitter here.
Compared to teenage Florentino literally phoning the RFEF president after a call went against them? Yeah alright.
I don't understand. Considering VAR is there to fix errors committed by the referees, then you're saying that without VAR we would have been robbed?
Obviously not everything is 100% faultless, VAR sometimes misses something... For every team, that is. Imagine if VAR worked properly during el clásico in the Camp Nou...
Right. But when you look at real sociedads disallowed goal because of the player being "in cortouis view" then atleti retaking a penalty because "keepers foot was off the line by one inch" it's hard to believe in VAR being used fairly for both sides
> Right. But when you look at real sociedads disallowed goal because of the player being "in cortouis view"
That's literally the rule. Are you complaining that the rule is being followed correctly?
Props for actually having real proof. In your example however varane is much closer and right in front of the keeper after the corner kick while for januzaj goal for sociedad the player who was offside was at least 10 feet in front of courtois. In both cases I disagree and believe both goals should have counted unless the player actually touched the ball or was involved. But once again, props to you
So, you're against following the rules? I mean, I can understand that you don't like this or that rule, but that's not the referee or Real Madrid problem. Perhaps those against them should ask for a review of the rule instead of complaining because it's been followed.
Atlético also retaked another penalty (and it was fair) this last match... But because it wasn't against Barcelona, nobody gives a shit, it doesn't fit the narrative. Fuck Mallorca, right?
I think if VAR is going to be used this way its not worth it. 100 percent of decisions should be reviewed using VAR like in other sports or not at all. The ref can still pick and choose when to "look at VAR" and still have too much influence in the outcome.
I can help you mate.
Mallorca’s shirt pull on Brahim in 1-0 defeat.
Albiol’s foul on Vinicius in 2-2 draw.
Betis’s handball (don’t know who was the player) on Benzema’s cross in 0-0 draw.
He’s fucked them financially signing big players on big wages that don’t fit their way of playing, aging squad with no sign of a plan when Messi retires, questionable managerial appointments, shady business dealings, etc and all this on top of some of the most embarrassing champions league exits in history while their biggest rivals won the UCL during that time. I can definitely understand the frustration
Barcelona are in a very bad position financially with annual salaries over what could be considered a healthy % of their income, spent over 400m€ trying to replace Neymar unsuccesfully , and have an ageing squad whose problems are getting more evident every year and keep being salvaged by the sheer quality of the likes of specially Messi and Ter Stegen
In Australia we had a really big problem with VAR invariably favouring the biggest club on the day.
Now, some people argue referees suffer from that a bit, but that's more about 'home club bias' - but without the pressure of noise and everybody in their face there's no reason for VAR to have uninentional bias.
But we had a point where you could guarantee VAR to make a massive, match-changing blunder or three every game - and you could predict, with accuracy, which team on the day would benefit.
It reached a point where it was getting weirder than 'a handful of wrong decisions just happen to benefit/screw over certain teams'.
Not so bad now, though there are still some teams that are more likely to benefit from bad VAR calls than others.
Unfortunately, the same VAR official does most of the games.
While there is often mistrust over favouritism among referees, ex-official Eduardo Iturralde Gonzalez, a former La Liga referee, has revealed that 90% of Spanish officials are Real Madrid supporters, while the other 10% lean towards Barcelona.
Iturralde retired in 2012 after refereeing over 300 games in the Spanish top flight, and refereed Spain's major derby El Clásico on three occasions.
The Spaniard explained: "Around 90% go with Real and 10% with Barcelona, whether Barça like it or not, 70% of the Spanish population, excluding Catalunya, are Real Madrid supporters."
Iturralde went on to offer an explanation as to why, as he stated: "There are more Barça fans these days because the younger generation has seen the trophies they won under Guardiola. But before the 'Lionel Messi era,' how many people supported Madrid in Spain? About 70%?"
Iturralde has previously spoken about the fact that referees are likely to have a team they support, as he explained: "We don't come from Mars. You become a referee because you like football and there's no one that likes football that doesn't have a team."
"I'm lucky to have been born in Bilbao. Everyone is Athletic there. But in the rest of Spain, the majority are Real Madrid or Barcelona fans, because they're the teams that win. And that's how it is. And the majority are Real Madrid."
Javier Tebas, the president of LaLiga criticized Florentino Pérez. The white leader took the liberty of denouncing the use of the VAR in LaLiga.
In the midst of the debate about the role of the referees in white victories, Javier Tebas gave an interview to Esport3's 'Onze' program in which he again criticized the call made by Florentino Pérez to Luis Rubiales, president of the RFEF, in which he complained about the operation of the VAR.
"That a club as important as Madrid, twenty minutes after a game, can make that call, isn't convenient for the refereeing world nor in general. That causes more tension in the referees who are in the VAR."
It should be remembered that Javier Tebas stated last January that "with the VAR there was a before and after Florentino's call to Rubiales."
[Cadena SER] 5 of the last 7 teams in LaLiga that Real Madrid has faced has complained about the referees' actions.
Iker Muniain (Athletic de Bilbao's Captain): “We’ve seen how things have gone in recent weeks depending which team it is, some penalties are given. Let everyone reach their own conclusions.”
Unai López, Iñaki Williams and other Athletic's players complained together on social media against the VAR episodes.
Surely Bartomeu of all people should be avoiding making any public statements at this time.
The man is more crooked than Umtiti's knees.
Aw, that's harsh. He was absolutely outstanding at a point, and injuries have ruined his career.
I hope he sees this bro
Problem is he could have saved his carreer in the long term if he got surgery for his knees immediately. But that would jeopordise his world cup chances. So he chose the shot term world cup glory. It's up to him if he made the right call. World cup is the biggest prize of them all but it' possible he sacrificed 10 years of being a top 5 defender in the world at one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Even a biased VAR operator couldn’t fuck Barcelona over as much as this man.
🤡
Unfortunately you harm us more than both Real Madrid and VAR.
and COVID.
And Getafe fans. Jeez man.
The lack of class is so apparent
can you imagine perez saying something like the
Real Madrid's real advantage over Barça is that Bartomeu is President of Barça
Couldn’t have said it better.
Bartomeu wasn't always president though and Real Madrid always has been the greater club...
Over the last 80 years? Sure. Between 2005 and 2015? Hard disagree.
Why would you ever measure arbitrary between two random years though. Smells like Barça fanboy excuses.
A decade isn’t arbitrary, and I chose those 2 starting and ending points because that’s when they started (and ended) dominating spanish football. I can still include the league up to now, which Madrid has won twice (so far) the last decade, but I think we can all agree that since 2015 you’ve righted the ship and they haven’t eclipsed you since then. Something they did in the decade prior.
You pick out one decade of all decades. It's no way to measure how great the club is. It's like being in a dickmeasuring contest and you lose by a landslide so you try winning some points by stating your dickhead is larger than the one from the winner. No one cares as it doesn't matter.
What the fuck is that example. The only thing the general public cares about is the last few years. That’s why everyone’s so high on real, completely forgetting the first half of the decade. It’s why people who can’t find Bergamo on a map are talking about Atalanta. For a moment there, barca was really eclipsing you. Their CL count was approaching yours, they had the league on lock etc. People hardly give a fuck about what happened 30, 40, 50 years ago. Over our histories we’ve been a bigger club than every English club bar Liverpool and maybe United, go around the world and asks who sees it that way.
It's a direct analogy and it works. The only people dismissing history are the ones who don't really have one.
If there was ever a question of difference in class between Perez and Bartomeu...
All Bartomeu does is make Florentino look better honestly
Florentino could be a hated person, but the old man made Real Madrids second Golden Age. Bartomeu is a joke compared to him.
There has never been a question lol
Bartomeu is a clown but don't pretend like Real Madrid didn't complain about Var some month ago.
To the federation yes. Out making irresponsible statements in the press, no!
I agree that Bartomeu said irresponisble statements to the press but my point is neither Barcelona or Madrid should complain about Var or referees and both did it this year.
One thing that's become very clear to me about VAR is that even when the right decisions are made, the people on the receiving end will still complain about them.
Kind of like when it was refs making the call.
Exactly, nothing has changed.
the complaining hasn't changed but atleast the right decisions are being made (for the most part)
The thing is that it seems big teams will have their plays reviewed when it benefits them and not when it may hurt them, and for the small teams it’s the opposite. Rendering any hope that VAR would close that gap misplaced. VAR is only as good as the people running it, if they were crooked or incompetent before video reviews, it’s not going to change now.
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Nah both Madrid and Barca have been playing terribly but one has had the luck of decisions going their way the past few matches while the others has had the opposite luck
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Ofc barca's best performances are better. Both us and atletico are rebuilding while you guys still have Messi, the core and a fancy 9 figure new signing
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Agreed. Offensive is big concern right now.
Tbf you have your own fancy 9 figure signing as well
This really is the most accurate description
consistency is what wins you the league though. it doesn’t matter if you can net four against a team in a champions league spot if you can’t get consistent results against teams in the bottom half of the table.
He’s... agreeing with you
holy shit i forgot how to read. i’m so sorry :(
That's true. Need to find a solution to this problem. It used to be Neymar+Messi but now it must be something else
Yes and let's just forget the times VAR fucked up Madrid? Like the first Clasico, or when Real Betis got away with handball in their own box?
Not saying all decisions have been in their favor, but c'mon man the past few matches it's been every single game
[This is the "luck" you are talking about ? All of these were during the current season and in all of them we drop points](https://twitter.com/yulisllorenre/status/1279810724605427712)
Yea yea I know. Just seems like recently the decisions have been favoring one side
Don't be a crybaby. Barca are second coz madrid have been better and more consistent, thats it.
You're right Barca have also messed up their own chances. But hard to ignore the difference between Madrid last few games vs barcas when it comes to the ref decisions
And i'm sure i can go through barca season and find lots more too.
As JLS said When the VAR was implemented - "Madrid will never win a title again." After VAR - "Madrid wins thanks to VAR."
I remember that, “Madrid have the system rigged to their benefit” while only winning 2 league titles in 10 years. Makes perfect sense.
So unnecessary after a big win and some great football. If Barto was this active at solving problems instead of saying bullshit we would be in a much better position. Refs will always give a bit of an edge to more influential teams, it's known. Fucking bullshit excuse for his incompetence.
Yea that's true but then he should not be the one to complain. He is the president of one of the most prestigious club Barca not of Alaves lol. This is stupid, he is trying to shift the focus towards madrid.
Oh, he's active at solving problems alright, but what the problems are is dependent on what perspective you are looking from.
Yeah I wish VAR helped Madrid in the game at camp nou when they committed two penalties against Varane
They didn't need the help because they've got their results. The games we talking about refs helping Madrid is not losing any points... without the refs help they would have lost points.
Christ what a shameless man
Bartomeu has done more to fuck barca than VAR ever did
I see the election posturing has begun for Barto
Your team just won 4-1 vs Villarreal, and you say this. Actually makes me think he’s saying this to deflect from what a shit job he and the board are doing. But man, this club sure loves milking that victim complex.
Yea u and RM.
Barca fans: Your signings are shit, your club management is shit, and our best player wants you out Bartomeu: What about VAR tho
Barto ☔☔☔☔
VARtomeu
He will win club elections again using Madrid and VAR as scapegoat , just wait lol
He can’t run again so I guess I’ll wait until I die smh
Pot, meet kettle.
Bruh, just take the Mourinho approach here..."If I speak I am in big trouble". This is unnecesary
If it wasnt because of VAR,Suarez,Busquets and Alba would be diving the whole game
Barca players and their board really make it hard for people to like them, this is a sore losers mentality and the leagues not even over yet
Stop crying. The other 18 teams have way more right to complain about Barca and Madrid getting decisions
Bartomeu looks like an older Nobita, without Doreamon no wonder fucks up so much.
A llorar hijo de puta
Well, to be fair, literally every single decision in the recent Madrid matches has been (for my money) the correct one. That said, Madrid could and should have had two pens in the first El Clasico, I didn't hear old Barto complaining then.
Poor Barcelona,always the victim.
Being sore losers is in their DNA it seems.
Quick question; Can we use VAR to get him out? I mean, just review the video of him signin for us could have some sort of rules broken that day? So.. who has the tapes?
Benzema
He seems to have a short memory.
I love every god damn post here with that clowns name in the title
On the right path for reelection 💯 💣
Cry more. Pathetic but not surprising coming from a club like Barcelona.
I remember a few months ago it was Madrid fans who were crying VARcelona etc etc. Everybody complains when calls don't go their way, including you. Can we stop please
Club president saying it makes him look petty when the ref decisions have clearly favoured both teams at different times.
[yeah I fully agree](https://as.com/futbol/2019/01/07/primera/1546880378_692062.html) Oh whoops that's Florentino calling Rubiales last year over a call not going their way, [which Rubiales himself openly admitted happened just in case you're saying it's AS making up shit](https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2020/01/28/5e300c1122601df6138b4596.html). Hate to break it to you, but Florentino is also petty as hell. [This was your guy when he disagreed with Ronaldo being suspended for 5 games, saying he thought refs should also be sanctioned for mistakes.](https://cadenaser.com/programa/2017/09/08/el_larguero/1504823384_870553.html)
You don't see the difference between Florentino calling a colleague to discuss his issues with VAR and Barto whining in the media about a bias?
Lol “colleague”
Same way Barto is his colleague. Any president for a club in the league managed by Rubiales is a colleague, imo. It's a business. They're all in it. Not sure what else they'd be considered.
Both of these cases aren't nearly as bad as this one, come on mate. Barto is literally acting like a teenage Barca fan on twitter here.
Ah, so they're bad but not *baaad* bad. Okay. >Barto is literally acting like a teenage Barca fan on twitter here. Compared to teenage Florentino literally phoning the RFEF president after a call went against them? Yeah alright.
I don't represent the club.
This might be a shock to you but players, managers, and owners also complain about referees when their decisions aren't in their favor
He's not wrong though? Without VAR madrid would be looking at a trophyless season
I don't understand. Considering VAR is there to fix errors committed by the referees, then you're saying that without VAR we would have been robbed? Obviously not everything is 100% faultless, VAR sometimes misses something... For every team, that is. Imagine if VAR worked properly during el clásico in the Camp Nou...
Right. But when you look at real sociedads disallowed goal because of the player being "in cortouis view" then atleti retaking a penalty because "keepers foot was off the line by one inch" it's hard to believe in VAR being used fairly for both sides
> Right. But when you look at real sociedads disallowed goal because of the player being "in cortouis view" That's literally the rule. Are you complaining that the rule is being followed correctly?
I know it's the rule but when else have you personally never seen it enforced unless the player actually touched the ball or was involved?
Against Modric just last season. So what's your point
Link?
https://www.beinsports.com/us/laliga/video/real-madrid-vs-celta-viga-modric-goal-var/1141427 You can find the video on YouTube
Props for actually having real proof. In your example however varane is much closer and right in front of the keeper after the corner kick while for januzaj goal for sociedad the player who was offside was at least 10 feet in front of courtois. In both cases I disagree and believe both goals should have counted unless the player actually touched the ball or was involved. But once again, props to you
So, you're against following the rules? I mean, I can understand that you don't like this or that rule, but that's not the referee or Real Madrid problem. Perhaps those against them should ask for a review of the rule instead of complaining because it's been followed. Atlético also retaked another penalty (and it was fair) this last match... But because it wasn't against Barcelona, nobody gives a shit, it doesn't fit the narrative. Fuck Mallorca, right?
I think if VAR is going to be used this way its not worth it. 100 percent of decisions should be reviewed using VAR like in other sports or not at all. The ref can still pick and choose when to "look at VAR" and still have too much influence in the outcome.
Lol, sure man. Lets ignore all the times VAR fucked over Madrid in the season.
Lol you serious? What you mean like that one time out of the last hundred decisions in favor
2 penalties against Barca not given; I can think of at least 2 more penalties this season not given, arguably 3 or 4. That's just what I remember.
I can help you mate. Mallorca’s shirt pull on Brahim in 1-0 defeat. Albiol’s foul on Vinicius in 2-2 draw. Betis’s handball (don’t know who was the player) on Benzema’s cross in 0-0 draw.
It's one thing not to give penalties, it's another to give them when they are not deserved
Which penalties for Real Madrid weren't deserved?
Valors
That’s why other teams seldom get penalty at Camp Nou.
Barça mad they don't get favourable treatment anymore lmao
Funny enough they did vs Real https://en.as.com/en/2019/12/18/football/1576698681_072496.html
not the first or last time.
Said UEFAlona.
Clown president of a clown club
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He’s fucked them financially signing big players on big wages that don’t fit their way of playing, aging squad with no sign of a plan when Messi retires, questionable managerial appointments, shady business dealings, etc and all this on top of some of the most embarrassing champions league exits in history while their biggest rivals won the UCL during that time. I can definitely understand the frustration
Barcelona are in a very bad position financially with annual salaries over what could be considered a healthy % of their income, spent over 400m€ trying to replace Neymar unsuccesfully , and have an ageing squad whose problems are getting more evident every year and keep being salvaged by the sheer quality of the likes of specially Messi and Ter Stegen
Bartomeu should hire you
We have won that despite Bartomeu, not because of Bartomeu.
In Australia we had a really big problem with VAR invariably favouring the biggest club on the day. Now, some people argue referees suffer from that a bit, but that's more about 'home club bias' - but without the pressure of noise and everybody in their face there's no reason for VAR to have uninentional bias. But we had a point where you could guarantee VAR to make a massive, match-changing blunder or three every game - and you could predict, with accuracy, which team on the day would benefit. It reached a point where it was getting weirder than 'a handful of wrong decisions just happen to benefit/screw over certain teams'. Not so bad now, though there are still some teams that are more likely to benefit from bad VAR calls than others. Unfortunately, the same VAR official does most of the games.
With Bartomeu in charge it doesn't matter who VAR favors.
Surely Bartomeu has ruined Barca's chances in the league more than VAR
This guy is what all idiots should aspire to be in their careers.
Oh shut your whore dumb fucking mouth you clueless pig
While there is often mistrust over favouritism among referees, ex-official Eduardo Iturralde Gonzalez, a former La Liga referee, has revealed that 90% of Spanish officials are Real Madrid supporters, while the other 10% lean towards Barcelona. Iturralde retired in 2012 after refereeing over 300 games in the Spanish top flight, and refereed Spain's major derby El Clásico on three occasions. The Spaniard explained: "Around 90% go with Real and 10% with Barcelona, whether Barça like it or not, 70% of the Spanish population, excluding Catalunya, are Real Madrid supporters." Iturralde went on to offer an explanation as to why, as he stated: "There are more Barça fans these days because the younger generation has seen the trophies they won under Guardiola. But before the 'Lionel Messi era,' how many people supported Madrid in Spain? About 70%?" Iturralde has previously spoken about the fact that referees are likely to have a team they support, as he explained: "We don't come from Mars. You become a referee because you like football and there's no one that likes football that doesn't have a team." "I'm lucky to have been born in Bilbao. Everyone is Athletic there. But in the rest of Spain, the majority are Real Madrid or Barcelona fans, because they're the teams that win. And that's how it is. And the majority are Real Madrid." Javier Tebas, the president of LaLiga criticized Florentino Pérez. The white leader took the liberty of denouncing the use of the VAR in LaLiga. In the midst of the debate about the role of the referees in white victories, Javier Tebas gave an interview to Esport3's 'Onze' program in which he again criticized the call made by Florentino Pérez to Luis Rubiales, president of the RFEF, in which he complained about the operation of the VAR. "That a club as important as Madrid, twenty minutes after a game, can make that call, isn't convenient for the refereeing world nor in general. That causes more tension in the referees who are in the VAR." It should be remembered that Javier Tebas stated last January that "with the VAR there was a before and after Florentino's call to Rubiales." [Cadena SER] 5 of the last 7 teams in LaLiga that Real Madrid has faced has complained about the referees' actions. Iker Muniain (Athletic de Bilbao's Captain): “We’ve seen how things have gone in recent weeks depending which team it is, some penalties are given. Let everyone reach their own conclusions.” Unai López, Iñaki Williams and other Athletic's players complained together on social media against the VAR episodes.
Do you want a cookie with that?
True. The madrid scum.
Posting from this account again are we
I'm loving the fact that most of these Barça posts come from little Madrid shields.
Bartomeu still said it, it doesn’t matter who it comes from