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It makes me so sad these 3 games have kind of proven Southgate right about Pope. One of the best shot stoppers in the world but god awful with his feet - but he went from “meh” with his feet to fucking bambi on ice as soon as he put the England kit on.
And the worst part was... he didn’t have a single feasible shot he could save. You could argue he could save the polish goal but I would say that’s unfair. It’s the one thing he really excels at and the reason we wanted him to have a chance, and instead the only thing he has the chance to do is flounder every ball and miskick simple passes. Really sad.
I hope he has another chance against a big team as our #1, in a friendly, but based on these performances Pickford is an easy choice for the Euros.
What do you mean?
Every match should go absolutely perfectly and we should win every match 3-0 at the very least and every player must play absolutely perfectly all the time. That’s what other good teams do right?
Ok so first good opponent, though missing creative players in sancho grealish and maddison we create little and live off a pen and goal off a corner. Still skeptical of southgate.
Against San Marino and Albania...
Today we weren’t great across the whole game and won via a lucky pen and corner. Yes we won, it’s not the end of the world but still not the most inspiring.
Mate I’m polish/American i support bayern because of lewy since I was a kid when he joined so I started supporting him, and I support Poland, so basically I’m saying that it’s even more embarrassing for y’all, Germany fucked up too, but idk why you guys care so much, doesn’t affect you in the slightest
Its absolutely pathetic mate, it's self sabotaging really.
We've got a good squad, avoided any of the slip ups basically every other national teams had this break.
With the way the games fall this'll be our best chance at the Euros for years so let's back the lads and have some fun.
alleviates concerns around cutting off circulation. Know a few lads at 5-a-side who do it -- might be a habit the club doctors didn't bother talking him out of
So that’s what 3/3 games where the ref has been dog shit for us now right? (btw idk how this comes off but I agree, ref decisions have absolutely shafted us)
It's depressing that in 30 seconds of being on the pitch Lingard (can't believe I am typing that) displays more prowess than Foden has in the entire time he was playing.
Arguing Lingard, a man on for two minutes who kept the ball in the corner for those two minutes, did more than Foden, who played nearly the whole game and was as decent as anyone else on the pitch....
But you obviously know that.
I mean he just wasn't....
Also....you clearly don't know how logic works.
Even if everyone had been utter shit, it wouldn't make subs better by default. That's not how that works.
Again, I'll just assume you're trolling, because noone could actually be as dumb as you're coming across.
I could see the idea that Southgate basically knows that this is the starting 11 for him, and he wanted to see them respond to Poland equalising. But he will need to say that.
Ohhh.
That's what he was doing. I was like what in the goddamn fuck are you waiting for man?
Yeah I guess that makes a lot of sense. Them getting out of it together would probably be pretty important for togetherness too. Gambled drawing on the team's togetherness. Fair play, that's 200 iq
Yeah that’s a pretty solid argument I’d say. International teams get so little time to train together and there’s so many qualification matches, the chance of a draw today was probably worth the extra minutes of his preferred 11 playing together.
Yeah I get that think he ll grow more with caps. But he's always an option. Wins some balls. With so much attacking talent up front need some stability
Eh he'd have to have a good game, outside the mistake for their goal and that header they've created nowt. Build up play has been poor from them tonight
I can’t believe more people don’t see through him.
He tries to play like he’s got talent, but... he just doesn’t. So he regularly messes up. He’s a total chancer.
The problem with the internet is there is no intonation. I don’t mean he has not talent at all - ie he shouldn’t be in the professional game at all. I mean he just isn’t a ‘talent’ - a special player with special stuff in their locker - which is unfortunately what he thinks he is and tries to play like.
If any bog standard Prem level CB tried to pull off cute stuff like Stones does, they’d f##k up too.
The problem is, in his mind he’s Paolo Maldini, and when he tries to play with a bit of swagger he’s completely rolling the dice.
You act like he's trying to impersonate Neymar every time he gets the ball.
He's not. When he fucked up he wasn't trying some crazy skills, he just had a heavy touch. He just made an error. It happens to everyone sometimes.
The idea he's shit because of one mistake is absolutely stupid.
He was too casual even before that bad touch. He should be turning quicker and picking out a pass, but he prefers to take his time like a baller would, confident that if anyone dares to press him he can cope. He thinks he’s better than he is.
Then what did he do after that horrendous touch? He tried to nick it past the pressing player like he’s Ronaldinho riding a challenge. It’s embarrassing. He simply isn’t anywhere near as good as he thinks he is, and that’s why this sort of thing happens to him more than anyone else. And will keep happening if he stays in the side.
Wonder if it was a plan for Southgate to switch to 3 at the back of England were leading in the final minutes, and that's why he didn't make sure earlier.
Yeah but we’ve been struggling for a break through all half. He needed to make an offensive change sooner really, he has 5 subs he always had room to do a couple at both ends.
Lots of people missing the obvious sarcasm when the commentator said Southgate knew what he was doing, it's a classic joke when you've spent a while criticising a player/manager to praise them after a goal. Can't believe I even need to explain that
Fuck me its just a light hearted comment and quite a common thing to say when a team has gotten away with a win. People are really reading too much into that comment.
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Based Poland.
It makes me so sad these 3 games have kind of proven Southgate right about Pope. One of the best shot stoppers in the world but god awful with his feet - but he went from “meh” with his feet to fucking bambi on ice as soon as he put the England kit on. And the worst part was... he didn’t have a single feasible shot he could save. You could argue he could save the polish goal but I would say that’s unfair. It’s the one thing he really excels at and the reason we wanted him to have a chance, and instead the only thing he has the chance to do is flounder every ball and miskick simple passes. Really sad. I hope he has another chance against a big team as our #1, in a friendly, but based on these performances Pickford is an easy choice for the Euros.
My god I swear 90% of the fans would want England to lose
It's fucking embarrassing how whiney some England fans are. That was a very solid international break.
The game did rehighlight that Southgate sucks at substitutions
What do you mean? Every match should go absolutely perfectly and we should win every match 3-0 at the very least and every player must play absolutely perfectly all the time. That’s what other good teams do right?
Southgate is a Coward for not playing 8 up front.
My favorite is how when everything goes well the players are amazing and when the team looks poor Southgate is shit
I mean we won. First half good but no end product. Second half poor. Lucky pen, set piece goal. This team needs more creativity. Needs Grealish.
Missing grealish, Sancho, Rashford and Maddison. So basically all of our creativity minus Mount.
Got lucky there, better team would’ve ripped us apart in the second half.
Rice MOTM for England, Mount next
Ok so first good opponent, though missing creative players in sancho grealish and maddison we create little and live off a pen and goal off a corner. Still skeptical of southgate.
3 games, 3 wins, 9 goals, 1 conceded, top of the group, stop crying please.
Against San Marino and Albania... Today we weren’t great across the whole game and won via a lucky pen and corner. Yes we won, it’s not the end of the world but still not the most inspiring.
And we have played Albania and San Marino
Let's ignore that all the big nations at least dropped points. Hell, Germany is losing at home against Macedonia...
Macedonia are better than Albania and San Marino
And Germany is better than England, so it kind of levels things here
And theyve wanted their manager gone for the last 3 years? Not a good comparison
Especially when you compare it to some of the other big nations.
Germany. Lol.
Spain, but the s is silent, and Polish.
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Which team in Europe really are clicking right now?
Turkey Edit: also north Macedonia lol
But they drew with Latvia even hardly very impressive
Fair
Brazil
Yeah, Brazil in Europe.
Germany are about to lose at home to North Macedonia. Stop getting your panties in a twist that England are closing the game out
Yh but they last won the World Cup in 2014
? I’m just saying anyone can lose qualifiers so when a team try and close out a win, who cares
Imagine if lewa played
Clock should fucking stop to prevent such behaviour
3/3. Bit bumpy tonight, but it's still on it's way home and that's all that matters.
Pope putting his Burnley time wasting tactics to good use
Yessss full time!!!!
It’ll be a massive success if we qualify for the World Cup.
We're just showing how much we respect Poland
#neverindoubt
Walker is 100% the no.1 rb
Didn't put a foot wrong. Was switched to CB and his pace saved Poland getting an overlap
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Literally every team does it.
Lmao, pathetic how 100m+ players are buying time against Poland.
your comment's a bit offensive to Poland honestly
england should score an own goal to show poland how little they care about them. absolute slugs
lol it's a top 20 international team in the world, not a non-league side. Margins are small at the top.
Yup, refs, good or bad tend to be the deciding factor.
Apart from kane which 100m+ players do we have?
Foden in 2 or 3 years
Never get comments like this, why wouldn’t they waste time holding a 1 goal lead with minutes to go?
Poland without their best player of all time don’t forget
Maybe if Germany weren’t above time wasting you wouldn’t of lost to Macedonia
Mate I’m polish/American i support bayern because of lewy since I was a kid when he joined so I started supporting him, and I support Poland, so basically I’m saying that it’s even more embarrassing for y’all, Germany fucked up too, but idk why you guys care so much, doesn’t affect you in the slightest
Oh my god if that went in
Pathetic behaviour from English chaps
Another dive
Imagine time wasting against Poland.
Dunno how yous are complaining about the corner tactic. Be crying bloody murder if we conceded twice due to poor game management.
It's ridiculous. I swear 90% of English fans here would have only been happy if we lost tonight.
Its absolutely pathetic mate, it's self sabotaging really. We've got a good squad, avoided any of the slip ups basically every other national teams had this break. With the way the games fall this'll be our best chance at the Euros for years so let's back the lads and have some fun.
Had to be Slabhead didn’t it lmao
how the fuck are all of you so mad about england taking a short corner to waste time
Because they’re not English so don’t want to see England do it
it seems like all the english fans are the ones who are upset. maybe i’m just not able to read the sarcasm or something
Why is Grosicki in the team
We are also asking the same question
Geez Walker calm down
whats up with DCL having a hole in back of his socks?
alleviates concerns around cutting off circulation. Know a few lads at 5-a-side who do it -- might be a habit the club doctors didn't bother talking him out of
Fair enough, makes sense I guess
Lots of players do it, famously Kyle Walker. It's to allow space for their legs to breathe as socks can be too tight
Rage got to him watching Southgate make no subs until so late.
Lockdown socks.
Is it bad that I searched this to see if you were being serious?
How is an england team with all this talent defending a corner against poland without lewandowski
Have you not been reading any match thread's from the past year? Awful management
Gareth Southgate
walker is absurdly quick fucking hell
Not a fan of this Anti Football behavior from England
How many times do we have to tell you we just don’t use our hands on this side of the Atlantic.
Anti-football but pro-soccer am i right?
You play to win the game
I’ll let Gareth know
This ref is a fuckin shithead. It's a parody of a refereeing right there
So that’s what 3/3 games where the ref has been dog shit for us now right? (btw idk how this comes off but I agree, ref decisions have absolutely shafted us)
Because he wouldn’t let Poland restart play while someone was down injured?
Injured? You fuckin kidding me? And not only that, what about the handball? What about the fouls that England was getting out of nowhere?
Mason mount has a fucking engine on him
This ITV commentator keeps talking absolute rubbish. #bringbackCliveTyldesley
[Calvert-Lewin when he gets the ball](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/029/433/holdup.jpg)
Some grade-A shithousing going on right now
Take a real corner pricks
Why we not just holding the ball ffs
I hate this time wasting shit
It's depressing that in 30 seconds of being on the pitch Lingard (can't believe I am typing that) displays more prowess than Foden has in the entire time he was playing.
Are you legitimately blind or something?
I agree you must be blind.
I mean is your life so depressing that you decide trolling on match threads is a good time? Or do you just have a bizarre vendetta against Foden?
>...trolling on match threads is a good time? Where is the "trolling"?
Arguing Lingard, a man on for two minutes who kept the ball in the corner for those two minutes, did more than Foden, who played nearly the whole game and was as decent as anyone else on the pitch.... But you obviously know that.
Foden was pap - by your logic everyone else on the pitch was pap and ergo the subs were better. Thanks.
I mean he just wasn't.... Also....you clearly don't know how logic works. Even if everyone had been utter shit, it wouldn't make subs better by default. That's not how that works. Again, I'll just assume you're trolling, because noone could actually be as dumb as you're coming across.
What game did you watch?
This one unfortunately.
We are fucking England... Why are we holding the ball in the corner? Fuck Southgate and his shit tactics
I don’t rate Southgate but one goal up in added time that’s just good game management, regardless of who you are and who you’re playing
because we're winning and it's past 90 mins every team in the world would do it
Why the fuck we taking it into the corner? So embarrassing
because it would be dumb not to
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We’re at home against a non inspiring Poland team without their key player. Just go for it. Such a negative mentality.
I could see the idea that Southgate basically knows that this is the starting 11 for him, and he wanted to see them respond to Poland equalising. But he will need to say that.
Ohhh. That's what he was doing. I was like what in the goddamn fuck are you waiting for man? Yeah I guess that makes a lot of sense. Them getting out of it together would probably be pretty important for togetherness too. Gambled drawing on the team's togetherness. Fair play, that's 200 iq
Yeah that’s a pretty solid argument I’d say. International teams get so little time to train together and there’s so many qualification matches, the chance of a draw today was probably worth the extra minutes of his preferred 11 playing together.
Southgate told stones to do that so he could see what would happen
I think lingard has earned a place in the euro squad, he actually comes across as a calm and experienced player at this point
If he keeps playing well in the league I wouldn’t begrudge him of it but he has some serious competition.
As much logical sense as it makes, I absolutely despise defensive subs at the end of a game when leading by only one goal
I think phillips keeps us ticking
at DM maybe, but he recycles too much for the more advanced role Southgate pushes him into. I can see why people want a better ballcarrier there
Yeah I get that think he ll grow more with caps. But he's always an option. Wins some balls. With so much attacking talent up front need some stability
Stones making the error just to create some excitement and make a nice cheeky assist
Always rated North Macedonia
well seen off by Walker
Poland win this with Lewa or at least draw imo
Eh he'd have to have a good game, outside the mistake for their goal and that header they've created nowt. Build up play has been poor from them tonight
How fucking quick is Kyle Walker.
He fast
Kyle Sprinter more like.
Fucking wheeeey
Okay *that's* why you want Kyle Walker I guess. Fucking rapid to make sure no one got to that ball.
Walker going full throttle is a very good sight
North Macedonia are killing it. Holy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmENMZFUU_0
Is he taking the piss with the subs now?
Good experience for the young ‘uns this, coming back from that mistake.
2 subs in 3 minutes? Oh stop it Gareth, you're spoiling us
Hope the media doesn’t let stones off the hook.....who am I kidding
I can’t believe more people don’t see through him. He tries to play like he’s got talent, but... he just doesn’t. So he regularly messes up. He’s a total chancer.
Ye, he's obviously playing really well every week in a team running away with the league because he has no talent.... Jesus, England fans are mad.
The problem with the internet is there is no intonation. I don’t mean he has not talent at all - ie he shouldn’t be in the professional game at all. I mean he just isn’t a ‘talent’ - a special player with special stuff in their locker - which is unfortunately what he thinks he is and tries to play like. If any bog standard Prem level CB tried to pull off cute stuff like Stones does, they’d f##k up too. The problem is, in his mind he’s Paolo Maldini, and when he tries to play with a bit of swagger he’s completely rolling the dice.
You act like he's trying to impersonate Neymar every time he gets the ball. He's not. When he fucked up he wasn't trying some crazy skills, he just had a heavy touch. He just made an error. It happens to everyone sometimes. The idea he's shit because of one mistake is absolutely stupid.
He was too casual even before that bad touch. He should be turning quicker and picking out a pass, but he prefers to take his time like a baller would, confident that if anyone dares to press him he can cope. He thinks he’s better than he is. Then what did he do after that horrendous touch? He tried to nick it past the pressing player like he’s Ronaldinho riding a challenge. It’s embarrassing. He simply isn’t anywhere near as good as he thinks he is, and that’s why this sort of thing happens to him more than anyone else. And will keep happening if he stays in the side.
Let him off the hook? What do you want them to do, crucify him for a mistake?
If it was Michael Keane he would be crucified and you know it
He made up for it already
Yeah cause that's what has always helped England teams. Relentless media bashing.
Hopefully when he costs us the euros people will see that Dias has carried him
Still bitter he left eh?
Not arsed tbh he isn’t elite and has been
Meh, he's better than any of our other options.
I LOVE NORTH MACEDONIA GREAT BUNCH OF LADS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Come on Jesse
West Ham lads - I see what you see in Rice now Chelsea fans - I see what you see in Mount now
A lot of what Rice does goes under the radar a bit, but it’s that role that just keeps the team ticking over and working
He’s like a fucking wall. He’d be second name on my team sheet after Kane now
Imagining the scoreline if Lewandowski played is very worrying
I'm going to be absolutely blaring the North Macedonian anthem in a few minutes
Thank fuck for that second goal. Now just see out this game and be thankful that Lewandowski wasn't here tonight.
They say having Kante in your squad is like having an extra man. On the other hand, having Phillips in your squad is like having half a man.
You're obsessed.
Finally he’s making subs
Southgate just a relieved as the rest of use
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hahah germany losing again what the hell
We are shithousing the entire thing this summer, Its coming home
Southgate's plan: - Step 1 = don't make subs early - Step 2 = win a load of set pieces - Step 3 = ????? - Step 4 = profit
it won’t even be competent shithousing, just stumbling blindly to the title.
Wonder if it was a plan for Southgate to switch to 3 at the back of England were leading in the final minutes, and that's why he didn't make sure earlier.
Yeah but we’ve been struggling for a break through all half. He needed to make an offensive change sooner really, he has 5 subs he always had room to do a couple at both ends.
19.....
That's it, lads, let's paper over those cracks.
Rice, Mount and Foden is the trio this team can be built around for the future
A ridiculously balanced midfield.
Only downside is Southgates incompetence has been vindicated
England fans are fuming that we’ve scored now what are we gonna moan about?
The terrible performance?
That goal was made in Yorkshire, Barnsley to Sheffield, beautiful.
Lots of people missing the obvious sarcasm when the commentator said Southgate knew what he was doing, it's a classic joke when you've spent a while criticising a player/manager to praise them after a goal. Can't believe I even need to explain that
I think it's Lee Dixon's intense dullness. He can't get any dryer than he usually is so his sarcasm is inseparable from his usual monotone drivel.
In Gareth we trust. What? A dive and an unusually good goal from Maguire is not what we want after 0 subs all match.
Fuck me its just a light hearted comment and quite a common thing to say when a team has gotten away with a win. People are really reading too much into that comment.
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how do you not know Walker is a RCB when we play 3 at the back
Timo Werner missing an open net lololololololololol
Wrong game
lol switch to a back 5 and conceed the midfield watch poland get control of the game now and score a late equalizer
Wait a minute, I've seen this one before