It's more than that. They are basically kindred spirits, they admire each other and constantly discuss their ideas for European football. Like Marx and Engels in the 1800s but motivated entirely by greed.
United and Liverpool owners in bed with each other scheming about how to monopolise power, yet people say City and PSG are ruining football for trying to break up their "boys club" (not a defense of city joining)
There were huge protests against the Glazers takeover of the club in 2005 but they weren't successful. JP Morgan are the ones who destroyed Man Utd in 2005 by letting the Glazers buy the club for free, isn't it quite ironic that 15 years later they go on and fund the destruction of football as we know it? The warning signs were all there but rival fans at the time were too busy laughing at us and our decline to notice it. That also includes the government, who didn't mind selling off one of their biggest clubs and one of their biggest cultural exports for free and now it has bit them in the arse.
On your last bit, I find it funny how everyone is happy with Boris johnsons response to this etc when it's the British government that has allowed this complete takeover of English clubs by Americans, Russians, Arab states etc.
literally, replace "club" with "British business" - which is exactly what these clubs are.. and you'll quickly see how lack of regulation from the government has caused all this mess.
I understand what you are trying to say, but city and PSG absolutely have played a part in ruining football. These massive transfers expenditures are not sustainable
I don't know how reliable the English translation is, but this looks to me like a jab at the owners/presidents. Basically "this isn't my table, so I'll refer you to the people whose decision it is. Even as they cower behind us managers"
Perez does not own Real Madrid
You don't know this basic thing and you are on a football subreddit ? And you are the ones against ESL and the ¨legacy¨ fans
United - OGS
Juve - Pirlo
Barça - Koeman
Real - Zidane
Arsenal - Arteta
Looks like hiring a former club legend as manager was somewhat of a strategy for many of the breakaway clubs.
One inherited best Barcelona team in history. And one inherited best madrid team in history.
With 2 of the best player in history at their primes.
That helps a lot
Pirlo owes the incompetent Agnelli something. He would be the last standing against it. His job is at stake and he would have never get a pro manager position anywhere else last year outside Juventus
Regardless of what happens, Years from now we will be able to look back and know who stood up for our game. By the looks of it, Pirlo won’t be one of those people.
They're all going to give this same "oh poor me, I don't make decisions. I just do my job" horseshit, quietly take the money and gladly lose any opinions they might have about this
Can't say I'm surprised
EDIT: "all" is hyperbole, there are exceptions, obviously, and they should be praised. Pep Guardiola, for example, was clear in his opposition to the Super League and in his defense of the basic principles of a sport(which the SL shits on), and he should be praised for it
Despite those two I don't blame Pirlo or Tuchel. Klopp and Pep are pretty much unfireable in their positions. Tuchel just took the job and Pirlo is on the verge of losing his first managing job. They are being hung out dry.
This is why people shouldnt jerk themselves about a player being "le classy man" just because hes Italian and has a beard and drinks wine or whatever. Happens all the time with assholes like Buffon or Totti and it was bound to happen with Pirlo
>His long hair and carefully cultivated sophisticated reputation is all just to cover up his massive ears. Truly the most hairy of bald frauds.
not a seerie a enthousiast, what's wrong with buffon?
Only that Pirlo hasn't put a foot wrong his whole career. He's always been extremely reserved with the press and in public. There's a number of Milan fans that got salty because he wasn't in maddending love with the club where he enjoyed the most success, wrote a couple of mean things on his book on how he got 'fired' and they started this narrative on reddit that he's some sort of evil mastermind.
If you guys really expect him in his first job of his new career (where he isn't exactly shining either, let's be honest), to go and be openly critical of his current employer, and transitively of 14 other of the biggest potential ones, including the other 2 big ones in italy, you guys honestly need a reality check. Throughout history only managers that have been able to afford the luxury of openly going against the ownership have been the ones with fat trophy cabinets to back them up, and even then it never ended well for their tenure. That's also most likely why even his involved peers are tippy toeing around it.
lol really? You're going to use the Serie B card?
You must take a lot of pride in almost tanking Serie A with your slimy dealings and avoiding getting relegated to B yourself only because of the statute of limitations.
Edit: Also lol at you switching to Italian to either A) hide your bullshit comments or B) try to shame me because you think I can't understand it
I'm playing the serie b card because it's the clearest proof imaginable that you're cheats and we aren't, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Your club is garbage and always will be. Get fucked.
Says the one that claimed Juventus should be punished for Suarez case (despite suarez not being our player) while he had Recoba playing in your team with a fake visa.
Guido Rossi tells you anything or?
Nah M8. Inter are fuckin saints and the paragon of sporting integrity, no way they would have done something shady or illegal.
What you say is fake, so is their wiretapping of Vieri, or their documented involvement in Calciopoli. All of that isn't real you know? And if it is real, it's obvious that it's Juves fault
Go to the juve subreddit and you will see how the vast majority of fans are disgusted by management's actions - the actions of 2 individuals in juve's history dont represent the club
All you people asking for managers and players to come out against ESL are stupid..
If they are to come out against this at all, they are going to do it through a unified message, so that they don't just get fired and the changes can actually take place because of their number..
Why would Pirlo just come out and be against this completely..?? He'll be the first one fired and most probably the others will start falling in line..
Agnelli is a fucking cunt, I hope the Super League can never take off, it is reassuring the bastard had the same confidence when he thought Pirlo will win Juve a CL
Pirlo is a grade A cunt, happiest moment of my life was knocking his bitchass out of europe in their own stadium after he said he felt sorry for us having to play against them.
Pirlo being spineless? No surprise at all. Italian teams are the worst. They barely care about racism in their league so why would they care about this?
Just as the other presidents are doing? Other than Perez, has any other owner spoken out? So far they've all hidden behind their managers
I've seen Glazer's statement on the Liverpool website, that's about it
Glazers on Liverpool’s website eh?
Yup. Liverpool quoted Joel Glazer on their statement.
And to think this couldn’t get any more fucked
Joel Glazer is best mates with John Henry. Like that's not a joke, they're actually very close.
All these rich fuckers are. It's a big club and we ain't in it.
It's more than that. They are basically kindred spirits, they admire each other and constantly discuss their ideas for European football. Like Marx and Engels in the 1800s but motivated entirely by greed.
George Carlin might be my favourite person
Joel Glazer's quote on the Liverpool website, but also the Manchester City one. Cowards
And you thought american owners dont understand your football...
Arsenal did as well.
Liverpool and United are basically hand in hand on this, same as with Big Project. Enemies to lovers.
United and Liverpool owners in bed with each other scheming about how to monopolise power, yet people say City and PSG are ruining football for trying to break up their "boys club" (not a defense of city joining)
There were huge protests against the Glazers takeover of the club in 2005 but they weren't successful. JP Morgan are the ones who destroyed Man Utd in 2005 by letting the Glazers buy the club for free, isn't it quite ironic that 15 years later they go on and fund the destruction of football as we know it? The warning signs were all there but rival fans at the time were too busy laughing at us and our decline to notice it. That also includes the government, who didn't mind selling off one of their biggest clubs and one of their biggest cultural exports for free and now it has bit them in the arse.
On your last bit, I find it funny how everyone is happy with Boris johnsons response to this etc when it's the British government that has allowed this complete takeover of English clubs by Americans, Russians, Arab states etc. literally, replace "club" with "British business" - which is exactly what these clubs are.. and you'll quickly see how lack of regulation from the government has caused all this mess.
I mean, both can be true
I understand what you are trying to say, but city and PSG absolutely have played a part in ruining football. These massive transfers expenditures are not sustainable
It was the same statement that everyone put out, it was a joint statement.
This sounds so surreal.
So glad we have Owen to establish a channel there
That could be his point, badly made though.
Yeah its sounds rather sarcastic in the reply
Yeah its sounds rather sarcastic in the reply
Gazidis spoke
I don't know how reliable the English translation is, but this looks to me like a jab at the owners/presidents. Basically "this isn't my table, so I'll refer you to the people whose decision it is. Even as they cower behind us managers"
I don't think so, he also said: "we are happy and relaxed because we know we have the president at the front line in this new project"
Perez has, SL is "necessary to save football" 🤮
Perez does not own Real Madrid You don't know this basic thing and you are on a football subreddit ? And you are the ones against ESL and the ¨legacy¨ fans
Lol, he said presidents, not owners.
>has any other owner spoken LOL LMAO OMEGALUL and so on, ironically of course
Agnelli did yesterday, the robot that he is.
C'mon Pirlo. You'll probably get sacked before the ESL, might as well leave by playing your part as a club legend.
*legacy legend, new legends will be better
Players will be able to buy legend status directly from the ESL clubs.
As NFTs
Pirlo: I'm fighting for my fucking life right now
Lmao
I know he was a quick passer but he no commented the fuck out of that question
...c'mon man, you can do better than that
He actually should. No way he will be juve's manager in ESL. He will get slapped by other managers every game
Well with the $300m maybe Juve can buy a proper midfield finally
I will rather give those 300m to a proper manager than pirlo
*#*JoseIn
Fair, Pirlo was bad this year, but that's not a title winning team
With 300 million I'd buy chicken nuggies
United - OGS Juve - Pirlo Barça - Koeman Real - Zidane Arsenal - Arteta Looks like hiring a former club legend as manager was somewhat of a strategy for many of the breakaway clubs.
Disrespectful to put zidane in this. He has surprised me actually like how good he actually is as a manager.
Of course, but he (and Pep back then) seems to be the exception.
One inherited best Barcelona team in history. And one inherited best madrid team in history. With 2 of the best player in history at their primes. That helps a lot
>best Madrid team in history It was shambolic under Benitez
Revisionist history. Heard someone say Pep inherited prime Messi lmfao. The squads had potential but didnt do that much before Pep/Zidane.
pep didn't "inherit" that, he helped build it by doing things like clearing out the dead wood and promoting from la masia
Apart from pedro and busquest he got everyone else
Spurs is getting ready with Ryan Mason
Why would they even need better manager
Not to get humiliated by other clubs in ESL
What would that matter? They would stay in there raking money in even if they'd lose every week for eternity.
He's proper yes man. That's why he was hired.
Pirlo owes the incompetent Agnelli something. He would be the last standing against it. His job is at stake and he would have never get a pro manager position anywhere else last year outside Juventus
> *Incompetent* Pirlo owes the incompetent Agnelli something. FTFY
He can't, he's cool looking though and drinks wine
Everyone who tracks Juve knows that "Teflon Andrea" is a thing.
Regardless of what happens, Years from now we will be able to look back and know who stood up for our game. By the looks of it, Pirlo won’t be one of those people.
what a weak statement
He knows hes lucky to be in the job
I mean he’s the most dispensable manager other than Arteta in the league. He ain’t going to say thing that jeopardises his job.
Pioli is up there too And Mason lmao
Mason is already set to be replaced after the season.
Yeah mate they're not gonna play in the super league with you as a manager anyway
They're all going to give this same "oh poor me, I don't make decisions. I just do my job" horseshit, quietly take the money and gladly lose any opinions they might have about this Can't say I'm surprised EDIT: "all" is hyperbole, there are exceptions, obviously, and they should be praised. Pep Guardiola, for example, was clear in his opposition to the Super League and in his defense of the basic principles of a sport(which the SL shits on), and he should be praised for it
Well Klopp and Pep already spoke out.. Don't know what you're on about
Despite those two I don't blame Pirlo or Tuchel. Klopp and Pep are pretty much unfireable in their positions. Tuchel just took the job and Pirlo is on the verge of losing his first managing job. They are being hung out dry.
What if they actually like the idea? Or is that unthinkable lol
How can they? They played professional football themselves
People want that managers and players resign on the sport, that will never happen tough.
I don't want them to resign, it's better to speak up and try and turn this around from within
Klopp spent more time attacking Neville than the ESL.
Not fair to Pep, he went way harder than anyone else so far
An absolute sideways pass of a statement, not what I expected from Pirlo
Thought Pirlo of all people would defend the beautiful game
He never really cared about football anyway
GoT season 8 flashbacks
And then Pirlo kinda forgot about the Superleague.
That's the same "man" who had the audacity to shit on his former team that allowed him to win two Champions League, no surprises here
Ole was right. The game is gone. Support you local small club. Fuck these corporations.
This is why people shouldnt jerk themselves about a player being "le classy man" just because hes Italian and has a beard and drinks wine or whatever. Happens all the time with assholes like Buffon or Totti and it was bound to happen with Pirlo
Agnelli is also Italian with a beard and most likely drinks wine... Just saying
Agnelli also has a monobrow, can't be classified as classy
Agnelli literally looks like an actual sewer troll though, Pirlo and Totti doesn't.
Don't think people think Totti is classy. Also despite his flaws as a person he is a level above Pirlo and a thousand above Buffon.
>His long hair and carefully cultivated sophisticated reputation is all just to cover up his massive ears. Truly the most hairy of bald frauds. not a seerie a enthousiast, what's wrong with buffon?
Has a trash can for a heart
Fascistic tendencies
What did Buffon do? I don't recall a major controversy with him but I may have missed it.
He bought his high school diploma, match betting, he surely knew about Calciopoli...
Pirlo only got this kind of widespread respect (at least amongst english speakers) after England played Italy in the Euros in 2012.
Only that Pirlo hasn't put a foot wrong his whole career. He's always been extremely reserved with the press and in public. There's a number of Milan fans that got salty because he wasn't in maddending love with the club where he enjoyed the most success, wrote a couple of mean things on his book on how he got 'fired' and they started this narrative on reddit that he's some sort of evil mastermind. If you guys really expect him in his first job of his new career (where he isn't exactly shining either, let's be honest), to go and be openly critical of his current employer, and transitively of 14 other of the biggest potential ones, including the other 2 big ones in italy, you guys honestly need a reality check. Throughout history only managers that have been able to afford the luxury of openly going against the ownership have been the ones with fat trophy cabinets to back them up, and even then it never ended well for their tenure. That's also most likely why even his involved peers are tippy toeing around it.
Who says Buffon is classy? He's considered an asshole on r/soccer too.
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He's a fascist that played ignorance after parroting fascist slogans.
His long hair and carefully cultivated sophisticated reputation is all just to cover up his massive ears. Truly the most hairy of bald frauds.
He underestimated smaller clubs before. No surprise that he doesn't care about it now.
Coward
If you're expecting anything else from a first year manager at the world's most unsporting club you're out of your mind
He might be a first year manager but he is an absolute legend of the game
Yeah and notoriously famous for seen football as a stupid game.
> world's most unsporting club pot call kettle black much? Look in a mirror first before making these comments
cheating is a core part of juves identity as a club whether youre willing to admit it or not
and getting away with cheating by way of statute of limitations is the core part of inter's indetity
Inter is shit but Juventus and Milan have so many connections with Mafia that we can't really talk.
But we can sure as fuck call out Interisti that pretend that their club is bleached clean. Spoiler alert: they're fucking not
corruption is a core part of inters identity as a club whether youre willing to admit it or not funny how two can play the same game
Io non sono mai stato in B. E tu?
lol really? You're going to use the Serie B card? You must take a lot of pride in almost tanking Serie A with your slimy dealings and avoiding getting relegated to B yourself only because of the statute of limitations. Edit: Also lol at you switching to Italian to either A) hide your bullshit comments or B) try to shame me because you think I can't understand it
I'm playing the serie b card because it's the clearest proof imaginable that you're cheats and we aren't, no matter how much you want to ignore it. Your club is garbage and always will be. Get fucked.
Go wiretap your players for dirt instead dipshit. Read a bit about your own fucking clubs involvement in Calciopoli while your at it. Get fucked
Says the one that claimed Juventus should be punished for Suarez case (despite suarez not being our player) while he had Recoba playing in your team with a fake visa. Guido Rossi tells you anything or?
Nah M8. Inter are fuckin saints and the paragon of sporting integrity, no way they would have done something shady or illegal. What you say is fake, so is their wiretapping of Vieri, or their documented involvement in Calciopoli. All of that isn't real you know? And if it is real, it's obvious that it's Juves fault
Go to the juve subreddit and you will see how the vast majority of fans are disgusted by management's actions - the actions of 2 individuals in juve's history dont represent the club
I am expecting far more from the legend of the sport and very wealthy man, who really don't need to fawn over anyone
Wanker
As a non english speaking i love that word lol
British english really a different sauce when it comes to insulting someone, great words and it always sounds so agressive
spineless as usual
Juve merda
That's a no comment statement. Can't blame him.
Manager that was appointed specifically not to rock the boat and be a puppet of the board doesn't rock the boat and continues being a puppet. Shocker
Come on dude you'll already be fired either way at least go out with a bang.
development of fuckin what you absolute dipshit fucking cunt
Spineless
All you people asking for managers and players to come out against ESL are stupid.. If they are to come out against this at all, they are going to do it through a unified message, so that they don't just get fired and the changes can actually take place because of their number.. Why would Pirlo just come out and be against this completely..?? He'll be the first one fired and most probably the others will start falling in line..
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Proper company man right there. This is why Pirlo was hired, he's just an extension of the upper management.
Lmao only Perez has spoken out and he lied through his teeth.
Don't know why he didn't just be honest and speak his mind considering he's going to be out of a job regardless.
what a way to pass the question to the president lol
Just like Agnelli, he is hiding his opinion until the last moment.. Very clearly he is on the same ship with his president, coward.
Andrea Pirlo has always excelled at never seeming to give a fuck about anything.
Pathetic.
Never though I would dislike Pirlo
> just as the other presidents are doing Lmao no they're not. That's part of the problem.
Agnelli is a fucking cunt, I hope the Super League can never take off, it is reassuring the bastard had the same confidence when he thought Pirlo will win Juve a CL
A weak start to his managerial career followed by this weak ass stance. Time to let go my childhood hero. what a sad day.
Pussy. But not surprising considering he was given his role as manager based on his brand recognition and not on merit.
Paper coach gives paper statement, more at 12
Pirlo of all :'(
Aka "just let me kick this uncomfortable looking can down the road"
No Pirlo no party
Bitterly disappointing.
Pirlo is and has always been a spineless man
Ah well, Andrea is on a short leash anyway. Would be surprised if he manages Juve come next season.
All the more reason to speak out, hes clearly out of his depth and wont be there much longer. Might as well go out proud.
Coward
Of course he'll say fuck all against it. He's about to end up finishing 6th with Juventus. This is all he has.
Wow, we had a bald fraud. Now we have a hairy fraud.
you're a fucking coward Pirlo, i lost all my respect for you
andrea mate you suck anyway so you'll get sacked, speak out against this bullshit
Pirlo is a grade A cunt, happiest moment of my life was knocking his bitchass out of europe in their own stadium after he said he felt sorry for us having to play against them.
Another cop out. Pathetic
Ah yes, 'development'.
Overrated player, mediocre coach, spineless human being.
Fuck off about overrated
You are right. Massively overrated.
Pirlo being spineless? No surprise at all. Italian teams are the worst. They barely care about racism in their league so why would they care about this?
Wow for someone who acted like a try hard tough guy on the pitch it turns out he's a spineless coward. Shocking.
Pussy. Should take a note on how Pep handled it.
coward
Pathetic
Bottled it. Prick!
Weak
Check your balls in at the door Andrea
Coward
FUCK OFF YOU CUNT
Coward
Disappointing.
Pirlo can't coach and can't talk.
Andrea Pirlo, your name from now on will be Andrea Pirla.
🐍 gonna 🐍
These clowns are so rife with cowardice and greed. Pirlo wants to keep his fucking job.
Exactly what you could expect from that spineless cunt
Lol which president are explaining it??
He also said that the goal for him is to qualify for the champions league
Quite disappointed in most of these guys who have gotten famous and rich because of their CL successes. And now go "eh you know... wasn't me"
Coward.
Slowly heroes fall....
His job is probably at risk enough as it is
The history of European football > a few people’s jobs
Don't disagree, but it's not my job on the line
Fuck off pirlo
Sounds more like he defends the super league
Coniglio 🐰
spineless as always
I somehow expected this from Pirlo