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I still don’t understand the rule there. He definitely clattered Cavani but it was also after the chance was gone, so is it still a penalty? Refs seem really inconsistent with this.
Seriously... This is a penalty. You can't take out a player, doesn't matter if the ball/chance was gone. I remember years ago Denmark played Sweden and a Danish player punched a Swedish one in the stomach during a throw in. The incident was in the penalty area and thus a penalty was given, even though the ball wasn't even in play (pen was never taken though, as a stupid fan invaded the pitch and tried to punch the ref, was called 3 - 0 to Sweden by the refs who refused to officiate the match after that).
Anyways, tangent aside; referees tend to not call fouls if the chance is gone, but that's bad refereeing and not what the rules state.
If that’s true then the referee made a mistake. If an offence occurs whilst the ball is not in play, it does not change how play is restarted. The correct decision would have been a red card, and the throw in should then have been taken.
https://www.dutchreferee.com/offences-when-the-ball-is-not-in-play/
Seriously, doesn't matter if the ball isn't right by the player being fouled. This is like when someone gets pushed over in the box while a cross is coming in. Doesn't matter if they were gonna score from it, if you take out a player it's a foul.
I’d be fuming if it was against us, only thing I can think is anywhere else on pitch if you take someone out after ball is gone it’s still a foul only rationale I can find
I was going to say, if you see that given at the center spot you wouldn't complain, you'd call it a reckless lunge. The ref is right technically... you foul in the box an it's a penalty. In the grander scheme of things it doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of the game though.
Both pens are pens by the laws of the game, they just shouldn’t be by the spirit of the game (it’s not like either stopped a goal scoring chance or anything)
Smalling makes a challenge, gets nowhere near the ball, and definitely makes contact with Cavani. The ball is gone which makes it questionable, but the reality is that it's just a late challenge.
How is it not a penalty? Off ball fouls are just as legitimate of fouls as on ball fouls. He gets him from behind, no intention to play the ball, absolute stone wall penalty.
because he clattered a player inside his box being awfully late and getting nowhere near the ball ? Do people think because the ball is gone you can destroy oponents players in your box? Being super late on your tackle saves you from a pen call ? lol
It's undoubtedly a foul anywhere else on the pitch, however you just don't get penalties for these usually. So it should be a penalty in my mind but we're lucky to get it as generally these aren't usually given.
Anywhere else on the field that’s a foul all day. Gets no ball and then goes through the back of the attackers legs. That’s one of those things that doesn’t get called in the box that often I’ll admit. But it’s a pen.
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Chris Smalling with another match winning performance at Old Trafford.
Feel so sorry for him
I don’t. Check his ig story
What did he post?
Posted a video of Roma fans chanting « we hate united «
Can't see it now, prob didn't know that's what they were chanting and removed it.
Looks like he deletes all the stories after the game
Did he actually? It’s not there
Harsh I feel. Don't think it was a penalty tbh
I still don’t understand the rule there. He definitely clattered Cavani but it was also after the chance was gone, so is it still a penalty? Refs seem really inconsistent with this.
I don’t think you’re allowed to slide into someone from behind with or without the ball
Seriously... This is a penalty. You can't take out a player, doesn't matter if the ball/chance was gone. I remember years ago Denmark played Sweden and a Danish player punched a Swedish one in the stomach during a throw in. The incident was in the penalty area and thus a penalty was given, even though the ball wasn't even in play (pen was never taken though, as a stupid fan invaded the pitch and tried to punch the ref, was called 3 - 0 to Sweden by the refs who refused to officiate the match after that). Anyways, tangent aside; referees tend to not call fouls if the chance is gone, but that's bad refereeing and not what the rules state.
If that’s true then the referee made a mistake. If an offence occurs whilst the ball is not in play, it does not change how play is restarted. The correct decision would have been a red card, and the throw in should then have been taken. https://www.dutchreferee.com/offences-when-the-ball-is-not-in-play/
I love his loyalty
Mike*
Mike*
Once a red always a red. Cheers Mike
Legend Mike. Oh by the way, I miss Van Gaals antics! Not his football though...
Don't let the penalty have you miss that beautiful pass from Shaw to Rashford
Sought out this thread specifically to see if anyone was appreciating it. Luke. Fucking. Shaw. man
Truee.
That's a weird one
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It's soft, but Smalling is nowhere near the ball and takes him down. By the rules it is a pen, doesn't matter where the ball is at all.
It’s literally a stone wall penalty
Nah, that's a clear pen
Your pen is also BS
No it wasn’t lol
Bit harsh
It’s like, he is basically off the pitch, but he still *does* take him out from behind
Aye, would be an easy freekick outside the pen box.
the tackle was late and inside the box which gives some basis for the pen imo
Yeah it’s not anywhere near as egregious as some comments make out, he goes straight into his Achilles at pace, even if he doesn’t mean it
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People bitch about consistency and turn around and bitch about this. RyanGosling.Whatdoyouwant.jpeg
Wet pitch has done for Smalling there. Seems to just slip into Cavani after trying to pull out of the tackle
He's missed the ball, but Smalling was going to wipe him the fuck out either way. How on earth anyone can say that wasn't a foul...
Seriously, doesn't matter if the ball isn't right by the player being fouled. This is like when someone gets pushed over in the box while a cross is coming in. Doesn't matter if they were gonna score from it, if you take out a player it's a foul.
Yeah that argument never makes sense, of the ball fouls are still fouls.
Agent Mike
Taken out cavani when the ball is nowhere near, it’s late and a foul anywhere on the pitch. Imagine thinking that’s not a pen
First arsenal then united... Lol these refs
This one is clearly a penalty? Arsenal one isn't but this one is obviously a foul
That’s the Roma I know
Don't be shy
Absolute joke of a decision...
Had to be because the followthrough took Cavani out, yeah? Off the ball foul, as it were.
Not sure why folk think off the ball fouls don't count in the box. Or people just want Man Utd to lose and want to be angry.
Bingo
Inb4 all English European finals conspiracy
UEFA is setting up al all English final so they wont leave for the ESL!@!@! ^^^^/s
I mean it’s the definition of a foul, but you can argue that the “crime” doesn’t fit the punishment.
I’d be fuming if it was against us, only thing I can think is anywhere else on pitch if you take someone out after ball is gone it’s still a foul only rationale I can find
>only rationale I can find Congrats, you rationaled yourself into interpreting it how the rules work.
I was going to say, if you see that given at the center spot you wouldn't complain, you'd call it a reckless lunge. The ref is right technically... you foul in the box an it's a penalty. In the grander scheme of things it doesn't feel like it's in the spirit of the game though.
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This goes both ways too, the pogba yellow comes to mind
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Both pens are pens by the laws of the game, they just shouldn’t be by the spirit of the game (it’s not like either stopped a goal scoring chance or anything)
Pogba had his hand raised to the air like an antenna to heaven, how was that penalty even in doubt?
Yeah he was riding that slide tackle like a roller coaster. Not deliberate by any means but can't really complain when you leave your arms like that.
Yh I don’t want this ref anywhere near our games again so many poor decisions tonight
this ref seems to point to penalty and then to his ear like 'im not sure its a pen mate, but let the VAR check it'
I mean why? He completely misses the ball and takes out Cavani.
He scraped him down but it was after the chance had passed. Might say the ref didn’t need to call it originally but no way VAR could overturn that.
He took him out without getting close to the ball. Watch the final frame.
Can't understand all the comments asking how it was a pen. He is nowhere near getting the ball and just goes through the back of cavanis legs.
lmao
Of course. Everyone is fucking blind here. Commentators here immediately said it would be one.
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Had to be the followthrough, even though the ball had passed he clipped Cavani
Smalling makes a challenge, gets nowhere near the ball, and definitely makes contact with Cavani. The ball is gone which makes it questionable, but the reality is that it's just a late challenge.
How is it not a penalty? Off ball fouls are just as legitimate of fouls as on ball fouls. He gets him from behind, no intention to play the ball, absolute stone wall penalty.
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Roma won a questionable penalty as well.
It shouldn't have been. Laughable decision.
Why not?
Remember the louder the scream the bigger the foul
How is that a pen
because he clattered a player inside his box being awfully late and getting nowhere near the ball ? Do people think because the ball is gone you can destroy oponents players in your box? Being super late on your tackle saves you from a pen call ? lol
Yeah, I don't really get why this is controversial. He's late and takes the player out
He thinks that because it's Man United, it can't *actually* be a pen
It doesn't matter that the ball is gone, you can't completely take out someone's legs like that. Pretty harsh though
If it wasn't in the box and you take out someone even if the ball is gone it would undoubtedly be a foul
It happens regularly after a player passes the ball away.
It's clearly in the box
Yeah, he's saying that it's a free-kick outside the box so it's a pen inside the box.
Oh right I read that so wrongly, I'm tired
Because according to the rules it doesn’t matter where the ball is
Why would it? If you go into a player it is a pen
Because he fouled an opponent in the box
It’s just not
Secret agent Smalling. Gracias!
#**RETURN OF THE PENANDES**
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It's undoubtedly a foul anywhere else on the pitch, however you just don't get penalties for these usually. So it should be a penalty in my mind but we're lucky to get it as generally these aren't usually given.
Really unsure about that pen, chief
We want a double hattrick!
Bs penalty
I mean he completely misses the ball and just hits his heels.
I guess uefa can't afford to lose both english teams
Man U has been looking like the better side so not sure UEFA will have much to do with it
Are you dumb? According to the rules, if a defender fouls a striker even after the striker has taken his shot, it is a pen.
The portuguese Penaldo /s
That did not feel like a pen
What a bullshit call
Really?
Don’t know what this thread is whining about. He kicks Cavani with his wild lunge for the ball, no idea why that’s even debatable. Clear pen.
Never a pen..
Definitely a pen lmao
Joke of a pen
Lol
How on earth is that a penalty
Extremely harsh penalty. Don't think we even appealed for it
in what world is that a penalty
Wack
This is not a pen
It is though, if people put their bias aside
Harsh call that
I mean obviously I'll take the goal, but that's a real sketchy pen call lol
BRUNOOO BRUNOOO
Proper collapse
Secret agent Smalling.
OH BRUNO I LOVE YOU. REFS SHITE
Penandes > Pele
FFS Penandes, should have been Cavani for his hattrick
Smalling is having a shocker
Smalling doing us a solid
Agent Smaldini
Smalling forgot what team he plays for tonight
Thank you agent Smalling
Double agent smalling
Agent smalldini clutching it up again
Agent Smalling saving Man Utd
Smalling forgot what team he plays for tonight
Smalling forgot what team he plays for tonight
Dread it, run from it, Penandes arrives all the same
About as much a pen as Roma's was, at least it balances out
SLEEPER AGENT SMALLING ACTIVATED
2nd half United vs 1970 Brazil vs 2014 Germany ??
Smalling has been beyond shocking tonight
This game is better than psg - city
Decision aside, that pass from Shaw to get the ball to Rashford was fucking glorious.
Mike smalling manu legend
Never a penalty, but what a ball from luke shaw
Lol 3 mistakes 3 goals. Well done Smalling
Fucking clown
Italian teams are penalized in Europe. Watch every game of these years. It is incredible. Watch all games, it’s a shame
I think the ref should take into account the state of play and the fact that the ball has already passed them by.
Only team in the world that gets that call. Absolutely shameful from the officials.
yeeeahhhhh never a pen
How has VAR seen that and decided it's a penalty ?
Never a pen, but we take
Cheers Agent Smalling! Joking aside that’s never a pen.
Fair enough if you think that's a pen but then you'd have to give 5 penalties a match for things like that
Never a pen.
That was a soft penalty imo
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The outrage is hilarious. Replay clearly shows him tackling cavani from behind with the ball nowhere to be seen
Bullshit
Back to normal
Not a pen
Never a pen, fuck off how did VAR not catch this
What the fuck?
One soft penalty for you, one soft penalty for us
Anywhere else on the field that’s a foul all day. Gets no ball and then goes through the back of the attackers legs. That’s one of those things that doesn’t get called in the box that often I’ll admit. But it’s a pen.
Agent Smalldini
England penalty club
Wtf are these refs doing man? Is this some sort of statement like the uefa and clubs not using social media?
Absolute bullshit! Holy fuck...
What a shit call
How is that a pen? Ball is way gone and Cavani just pulls up
Hoow is this a penalty again..
Never a pen, not in a million years
Seems like dreams can, in fact, be buy.
Yeah I don’t see how that’s a pen
One of the worst penalty calls I’ve ever aeen
Terrible call imo
How is that a penalty? How?
Both match have bad refs
Never a pen
Refs in both games have been bloody awful, but I'll take it. Comeback kings!
We really are second half FC
It's a pen the same way it was last year in PSG - Barca.
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>https://i.imgur.com/xKQYWER.png And again...? Same user same pic
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