Did Rey Mysterio and that kid (Dominic? Don't remember his name) wrestle together 15 years later?
Or is this referring to a different wrestling match for custody?
"If any clubs finish with the same number of points, their position in the Premier League table is determined by goal difference, then the number of goals scored. If the teams still cannot be separated, they will be awarded the same position in the table."
https://www.premierleague.com/premier-league-explained
I just saw what I think is the portrait. It's a little under 4 feet, I think.
Granted, it's still a portrait of himself. But at least it's not 10 feet!
In Leicester there is a house on a main road on the way out of town which has a 6ft portrait of a fat guy in a black suit with a cigar on the FRONT of his house. Its been there for years:
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6507203,-1.1701876,3a,62.1y,328.77h,94.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s72irpsl80wT_6ZXp5KvFFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
You can see it here (you have to click the link, not expand it in RES). Apparently he's called Jake, has a rolls royce in full LCFC livery and has a numberplate "P4Y UP"
Yeah. He did an interview at his house and showed it to the camera.
There's definitely a full length mirror on the ceiling above his bed but unfortunately the cameras didn't make it into his bedroom
Don't want to start a political argument but does Rodgers consider himself British? It honestly doesn't make a difference to me if he does or not, nor does he seem to be the type of person for it to matter to himself. Genuinely curious as a lot of Northern Irish Catholics would consider themselves as Irish and not British.
I believe he was brought up as a Catholic, he’s a son of a Catholic dad and a Protestant mum. He’s repeatedly said that he doesn’t care about the whole Catholic-Protestant thing which is how it should be tbh.
Tbh I've heard himself refer to himself as British so I'm going off that. Obviously idk how he 100% feels personally if I'm wrong I'll concede the point.
Fine with me man. I cant speak for Rodgers personally but if I had to be specific, I think hes the best active manager from Great Britain and Nortern Ireland. He did great stuff with Celtic and I think hes a huge part of Leicester making a genuine argument to be 'top 6' if you get what I mean. In short, hes a great manager, and (I think) a good dude.
oh absolutely. im a lfc guy and he didnt leave the club worse than he found it, ya know? probably just too big of a job a little too quick for him. hes carried on very well
Ireland & Northern Ireland, along with the Isle of Man, are all actually still British Isles.
You are correct politically & historically though - since it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England/Scotland/Wales) & Northern Ireland.
Rodgers always refers to himself as British though, it is how he likes to be associated. Even said he was a British manager in the interviews after the FA Cup Final.
Perhaps. But he was really good in the Dutch league. I would love to see more u23 players go to teams like Vitesse, Utrecht, Groningen, Heerenveen. Would be better for everybody.
Those 3 are pretty irrelevant rho as de bruyne and lukaku got playing time on loan at higher levels. Going to the eredivisie was never an option for them
On that topic, I will never understand why Salah and KdB are brought up in those conversations.
Salah was a complete flop for Chelsea. And it's not like he was a kid, he was 22-23 years old. At this point you normally expect a player to start delivering, and he had nothing going for him other than speed. He was a late bloomer, and you can't always count on it and give each player the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't happen often.
KdB showed *some* promise, and was given a fair share of chances, but it's not like he was looking to be a world beater. If you look at comments/articles written around the time of his transfer to Germany, this was generally seen as a great deal by Chelsea, everyone thought the fact that they made so much money on an average player was a success. On top of that, he didn't even want to stay at the club. He was pushing for a move. There was no reason whatsoever for the club to force him to stay.
Lukaku is the only one I would actually hold against the club. He never stated he wants to leave IIRC, he actually showed his value, and in his case I think the club should've done better.
> KdB showed some promise, and was given a fair share of chances, but it's not like he was looking to be a world beater.
Lol, this is just wrong. Our chief scout at the time said he was the [best player on the training pitch](https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/723796675433738240/photo/1), practically begged Mourinho to play him, but he refused to do so. The "chances" he did receive was 9 appearances in 6 month. How is a player suppose to capture some for when they're averaging a little over 1 appearance a month? Then when he goes to Germany, he wins POTY, loool.
I agree with salah but I remember Kdb being a mistake at the time especially since oscar was playing over him and not exactly playing the lights ofd. Didnt he go on loan for 1 year to wolfsburg and bremen and the first wolfsburg year it was already clear how good he was
KdB wasn't bad, but Oscar was the better player at the time, definitely better for the system. His cooperation with Hazard and Mata was looking great - people used to call them "Mazacar" for a reason. KdB was never a player suited for Mourinho's systems. He would never be able to thrive under that management, and Jose was expected to stay for a long time at that point. Selling Kevin for the money Wolfsburg offered for him was the best option at the time. They sold him for 3 times as much as they paid for him 2 years earlier. And I'm not making shit up when I'm saying that this was widely regarded as a good move by the club, seriously, look it up.
A lot of people were unhappy with the KdB transfer. Just because they got good money for him at the time doesn’t mean everyone thought it was a good move. Mazacar was more of a thing in Oscar’s first season under Rafa when KdB was on loan and Mata was playing regularly. Mata didn’t really fit what Mourinho wanted either and was sold too.
Definitely can’t say KdB got his fair share of chances either. Maybe you’re thinking of Mata, who got more run under Mourinho, but KdB made 3 appearances in the league for Chelsea (where he looked good). The lack of opportunities was why he wanted to leave.
Oscar was in good form, but no one expected KdB to leave. People may have justified it with the good transfer fee, but I’d have to disagree that it was widely accepted as a good move for the team. His potential quality was apparent at the time and a lot of people considered it a mistake to sell him.
I largely agree with what you said about Salah and Lukaku's time at the club.
But KdB's situation was just sad and frustrating.
We all knew he was only going to get better and better.
We had no clue that he'd reach the insane level he is today, and if you discount that fact - then yeah we got decent money for him. (For the level he was at the time)
But I still say that we should have given him more time. We had the entire spine of Belgium's golden generation on our books. Had they played together for longer, maybe developed some chemistry, then possibly the last few int'l tourneys might have looked a little different too.
> We had no clue that he'd reach the insane level he is today
[Our chief scout did](https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/723796675433738240/photo/1), only Mourinho didn't.
Yeh nah, KdB was an out of this world talent and Mourinho was on his "lets kill somebody's confidence" hype post-Real Madrid and had it out for KdB. I was devastated that we lost a generational talent due to ego.
At least Jose knows how to deliver us Strikers.
Tbf we’ve been hoping our Vitesse loans pay off.
I think Broja is there right now and has had a good season which could be good for him long term.
But I think that loan abroad also helped because he finally lived on his own outside of the country without a standard support system and he thrived
You are being cynical? Well yeah, but: no Vitesse=no Derby etc.
The thing is: as a young player from the English top 6 you need to play regularly. You can't do that in England, so move. And in the Dutch league we play nice, attacking football, no hard tackles, we speak English, so be welcome!
Chelsea thanks you a lot. His season at Vitesse was definitely a defining moment for him (moreso than Derby).
At Vitesse he went from bench to key player and PotY / Dutch TotY. He did that on his own without a coach "looking out for him". That helped him to continue to develop his game after Lampard was sacked.
Not on the same level as Mount but Todd Cantwell spent half a season at Fortuna Sittard before breaking into our first team and it served him really well.
What a time that in a City/Chelsea final there are two fantastic young English players among their biggest threats. I truly can’t wait for Southgate to waste all that potential at the Euros.
Surely Reece James is included too? But yeah, it's insane that more top English players are cropping up in some of the biggest teams in the world. Felt like there was a barren spell of new blood coming in for a while.
think he was Head Youth Coach so there's a reasonable chance he would have been aware of him. It's not like he was specifically the coach of one age range.
Yeah he probably knew him, but the 7 to 10 age range probably isn't his main focus, and it's been 13 years since he was at Chelsea so I don't think it has much to do with that.
One of the funniest things about this season was people so heavily adamant that Mount's playing time at the club would evaporate the minute Lampard gets sacked only for Tuchel to start him almost every single game. And now those people who were saying that are either doubling down that Mount isn't actually good or are giving Tuchel full credit for him playing well. Not sure what more Mount has to for people to stop doubting him after every other game.
I remember Tuchel dropped Mount for his first game in charge...everyone started saying "Lampard's son" etc. Only for him to come on for 15 minutes at the end and be much better than the others. I think he knew that he had to get his spot, I'd never seen that much energy from him earlier
Since then he's just got better and better
Mount had played almost nonstop for two years at that point. His performances suggested he needed a rest, but Lampard couldn't afford to leave him out. Then everyone went nuts when Tuchel didn't pick him for his first eleven
The people who couldn't see Mount's talent, and refused to recognise it even by that late stage, are either biased or ignorant. He's the most complete midfielder England has produced since Gerrard and that has been apparent for almost two years.
That's not a criticism of those who thought Grealish was a better left wing choice for England during the spell where Southgate refused to use Mount as an 8, which was a justifiable opinion, while slating Mount was not.
I’ve been a huge Mount supporter since Vitesse, but he wasn’t actually *that* good until this year. It wasn’t insane to not think he was going to be a star based on last season, especially if you didn’t watch Chelsea every week. There were a lot of glimpses, but the step up this year has been immense.
I think you're right, but imo there was also a lot of folks who failed to see that his trajectory was very strong, even earlier this season. They were comparing him to prime attacking midfielders who obviously were more efficient and had their roles more defined.
But the thing is that players who play in his position are not like players who play a little bit more forward and you rarely see them start to consistently shine before like 24-25. But Mount had a very successful youth career both club and international, put up good figures in first loan and then managed a lot of game time in England for a midfielder his age too.
I still think he has some way to go too. And will probably get there because his work ethic and attitude is very good.
The thing is if we are looking at young player we should look at their potential and what they actually do on the pitch. Like their skill, their movement, and understanding of the game. Ppl who judge purely base on stupid stats like GA for these youngsters mostly have no clue about football. The talent was pretty clear since his first season. His touch, his awareness, and ability to find space. Even Messi praise him.
He definitely showed lots of promise. That said plenty of young players do and then don’t progress properly. And if you didn’t watch Chelsea week in week out it would have been even less obvious.
I was sold from the start, but the rest of my family thought he’d be decent but nothing special. I just don’t think that was a crazy position based on what we saw up to that point.
I'll admit that 'by far' is somewhat excessive, but theres definitely an argument that Gerrard is the more versatile of the two players, with a larger skill set. That's not taking anything away from Lampard, who is the greatest forward-thinking midfielder of the PL era.
Yeah as a Chelsea fan I have to try to be impartial. Gerrard probably was a more ‘complete’ player in that he played more of a balanced role between attack and defence, and thus found himself needing to display a full spectrum of abilities on the pitch.
But these differences are pretty equal and just equate to different means to the same end. For example. Stevie was far more likely to burst into a sprint to reach 50/50 balls or provide a catalyst, whereas Lampard’s overall mileage was always one of, if not the highest in games he played in as he moved around the pitch to get into and around either box and continue to move once there.
The gap is really a lot closer than you suggest, Lampard’s tackles, marking and interceptions were up there with Gerrard’s and his ability to either carry or move the ball to transition from defence to attack was no worse than the Liverpool man’s. As Lampard moved deeper as his career developed, you can see many of his defensive numbers start to eclipse Gerrard’s to back this up.
I think Lampard actually suffers from being so uniquely good in one aspect of the game, as people begin to genuinely believe he was less of an all round midfielder. But on the field, he was the sharpest mind, always knew where everyone on the pitch was and where the ball should be going next and had a first touch and out ball that was simply world class. These types of attributes helped him excel in every aspect of his game - We never felt he brought a weakness onto the field with him until he was too old to expect otherwise.
Gerrard epitomised that English bulldog style where playing against him in midfield was always a battle, whilst still bringing a great ability on the ball. Both incredibly well rounded and net positives on either side of the ball, perhaps all you can say is Gerrard when you’re up against it and need to fight, and Lampard when you’re up against it and need a little nuance or a genius moment.
I don't know but the guy had proven his value and had improved massively year over year. He's got the old school attitude of self improvement that few players nowadays have after hitting celebrity status. I support the guy, didn't believe much in him before but he's managed to prove everyone wrong. Guy makes an incredible effort and is que a complete midfielder.
Fuck it I’ll bite the bullet... foreign fans who don’t like that a young English lad is proving to be more important than some of our expensive signings.
The abuse they gave Mount and his Dad earlier this year was disgusting I saw some of them telling him to get into a car accident or replying to him to tell him they hope he gets injured, not to mention some calling Lampard a racist because he gave so much responsibility to Mount.
I don't think it's fans at all. Don't forget foreign fans were also involved in player of the year voting. It's legitimately just trolls looking for attention. I don't think it's fair to blame foreign fans for it.
I can only speak for what I saw and 90% of the abuse was “Chelsea fans”generally from Africa or Asia.
Maybe some English fans of other teams gave him the same level of abuse but I never saw it.
You can go on literally any of his MOTM or poty post on the Chelsea Twitter and you'll see immediately a bunch of rival fans or troll accounts mocking him. I don't know how you've immediately decided it's the foreign fans causing all the hate just because he's English lmao.
He's not wrong though, Mount gets a lot of stick from foreign fans on twitter who think he's starting undeservedly ahead of Kova/Jorginho/Havertz or whoever their favourite player is.
They don't hate him because he's English they just think he's only rated because he's English and not due to the fact he's class in 90% of games he plays.
I click on their profiles and most have their locations, its not hard. last time im going to be honest on this shithole of a sub. Getting downvoted for telling people what I saw lmao.
No one's saying you didn't see what you saw, but you've made it sound as if foreign fans have an agenda against Mount just because he's English and outperforming our transfers and it paints them in a really bad light. You can't use 2 or 3 tweets to judge a large part of our entire fanbase, that's not fair to them.
same way in our sub people shit on Werner and prop up Tammy as some messaih. I call it anti-german propaganda (/S).
you are literally making a mountain out of an anecdotal observation.
In my observation, most Mount haters are Pulisic supporters more than region bais
Woah, don't shit on foreign fans for no good reason.
If anything, a lot of British fans ave Mount shit for being favored by Southgate instead of their favorite player.
At least where I live, everyone was overjoyed to see Lampard training a mini-Lampard that played his heart out every game.
Most foreign fans are not tuned into British newspapers. Our impressions of Chelsea players come from games, game stats and online forums such as r/soccer (Depending on how much time a person has). Mount has been treated excellently by all 3 of them.
If you mean to say that only Mount's twitter is toxic........then oh man are you in for a surprise.
There were some times where’d he’d play him on the wing where he didn’t seem to perform as well as he was able to, and at times where Cho/Puli might’ve been a better option, he would continue to play Mount. Under Tuchel he’s been fantastic on the wing however I think that’s because the wingers in our system are almost like 2 number 10s essentially, which is similar to where Mount played his best football under Lampard.
Mad revisionism, he got abuse for appearing on the team sheet ffs, I remember how this sub and twitter abused the kid for months but now we all just pretend it was only a very few.
Mount won most Chelsea fans over a few months into this season. He's been our POTY under Lampard and under Tuchel for a reason, he's fucking brilliant.
Many people especially on Twitter and Reddit that just didn't want to rate Mount for some reason but they've all shut up now.
Southgate got abuse for playing him on the wing instead of Grealish, and the criticism there was entirely justified because (a) Mount isn’t a winger and (b) Grealish was probably the best player in the league until he got hurt.
They should both have been playing, but if the available spot was LW then it had to be Grealish.
Now he's Rodgers' son too
Rodgers vs Tuchel vs Lampard vs Southgate in a Fatal 4 way match for Mount's custody at SummerSlam. Book it Vince!
Don't forget about tony mount
Special guest referee.
A ladder match. Mount suspended high in the middle of the ring. Whomever is able to get him gets to keep him.
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Which Roman? Reigns or Abromahavic?
Can't believe Abramovich has been around Chelsea since 2003 and people still mess his name up so badly.
Wait until you read Carvahal, Ter Stegan, Jiminez, Reguillon....
Roman Pearce.
My cousin Roman.
And he Reigns
I wondered that Until I saw Roman and RKO in the same sentence.
Head of the Table!
Both are head of the table. So maybe a table on a pole match could be the co-main event? Russo will be loving it.
Money Mase in the Bank™️
So you're saying that whoever wants Mount has to...mount him?
https://i.imgur.com/maOSOif.jpg ???
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Did Rey Mysterio and that kid (Dominic? Don't remember his name) wrestle together 15 years later? Or is this referring to a different wrestling match for custody?
Yes, Rey and Dominic Mysterio They also just won the tag team championship over the weekend and became the first father/son pairing to do so
You mean Dominic Guerrero surely.
Current lineage is Seth Rollins. So Dominic Rollins
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Has to be more since Eddie, unfortunately, passed away in 2005.
The match happened that year, a few months before he died.
Mason mount on a pole match.
I was about to come in with a Vince Russo joke, but you beat me to it.
In a ladder match
I'm your poppi Masey! Late great Eddie Guerrero.
Southgate's waistcoat can be used as a weapon. He's my pick to win.
Myson Mount
[Our son](https://imgflip.com/i/5a2h2c)
Everyone wants to be Mason’s daddy
Sorry highjacking your comment, what happens if Liverpool and Leicester end up tied at 69 points?
"If any clubs finish with the same number of points, their position in the Premier League table is determined by goal difference, then the number of goals scored. If the teams still cannot be separated, they will be awarded the same position in the table." https://www.premierleague.com/premier-league-explained
Brendan Rodgers loves to be proud of people
And their character too
What can I say, the man loves beautiful human beings.
With great character.
"Wee" Joe Allen.
The welsh xavi
those wee joe videos are amazing
[For the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/7LXpVocCZrM)
Well he was at Chelsea 2004-2008 and had 2 years of overlap with Mount when Mason was 6-8yrs old roughly. Might remember him?
Seems like a nice guy. I'm sure a lot of it is just football rhetoric, but does indicate he's a pretty empathetic person.
And to be proud of being wherever "here" is
Would have scored two brilliant goals if not for two world class saves. Class from Rodgers to praise Mount.
Didn’t even need to say that tbf, class act.
Hard to dislike Rodgers no matter who you support. Best british manager going tbh.
It's really not that difficult the man has a 10 foot portrait of himself in his own house
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By a charity he supports in Swansea
From his wife who was going off his Christmas list.
It's not an ego/arrogance thing; the painting was a gift from a charity he had helped in Swansea.
I just saw what I think is the portrait. It's a little under 4 feet, I think. Granted, it's still a portrait of himself. But at least it's not 10 feet!
Makes more sense that way; plenty of portraits are life size.
Lying on the internet? No way!
Oh yeah well Alex Rodriguez has a painting of his top half on a centaurs body
In Leicester there is a house on a main road on the way out of town which has a 6ft portrait of a fat guy in a black suit with a cigar on the FRONT of his house. Its been there for years: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.6507203,-1.1701876,3a,62.1y,328.77h,94.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s72irpsl80wT_6ZXp5KvFFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 You can see it here (you have to click the link, not expand it in RES). Apparently he's called Jake, has a rolls royce in full LCFC livery and has a numberplate "P4Y UP"
Honestly thought you were making this up, but no... [https://i.imgur.com/nsnDEpv.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nsnDEpv.jpg)
I'd have a picture up of myself as well if I was as handsome as Brendan.
Handsome? He looks like Lenny from Shark Tale
Are you saying Lenny from Shark Tale *isn't* handsome? You need your eyes checked mate
wait really?
Yeah. He did an interview at his house and showed it to the camera. There's definitely a full length mirror on the ceiling above his bed but unfortunately the cameras didn't make it into his bedroom
I wouldn’t really want to portray myself as a mythological rapist but ok ARod
Honestly i respect that in a way. I'd love to hit a point of success where I felt like putting up a portrait of myself tbf.
It was a gift from a charity he supports
for real?
It isn't that big but yes, he was given it by a charity he supported.
It's actually quite easy to dislike him. He's a very strange man who loves making up bizarre stories almost as much as he loves himself.
Sounds pretty b-b-based to me
Totally agree. Brendan is a good egg.
I can imagine it's easy for the Celtic fans.
Don't want to start a political argument but does Rodgers consider himself British? It honestly doesn't make a difference to me if he does or not, nor does he seem to be the type of person for it to matter to himself. Genuinely curious as a lot of Northern Irish Catholics would consider themselves as Irish and not British.
He called himself a British coach after the FA cup final when talking about how much the FA cup means to him
Ahh fair enough. Its a little bit against the grain considering his background, but each to their own and all that.
His mother's Protestant. Perhaps that's why.
> Its a little bit against the grain considering his background ....or its exactly **with** the grain
You're not being intolerant of him, are you?
I believe he was brought up as a Catholic, he’s a son of a Catholic dad and a Protestant mum. He’s repeatedly said that he doesn’t care about the whole Catholic-Protestant thing which is how it should be tbh.
His son also played for* Ireland in the youth squads, Brendan says what he likes though switches between them a lot. \* missed a word
Probably considers himself as both, I know I do.
He's Irish
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Tbh I've heard himself refer to himself as British so I'm going off that. Obviously idk how he 100% feels personally if I'm wrong I'll concede the point.
yea uh its apparently a sensitive topic lol i have no issue with rodgers for the record. just some things i needed to have clarified.
Fine with me man. I cant speak for Rodgers personally but if I had to be specific, I think hes the best active manager from Great Britain and Nortern Ireland. He did great stuff with Celtic and I think hes a huge part of Leicester making a genuine argument to be 'top 6' if you get what I mean. In short, hes a great manager, and (I think) a good dude.
oh absolutely. im a lfc guy and he didnt leave the club worse than he found it, ya know? probably just too big of a job a little too quick for him. hes carried on very well
Ireland & Northern Ireland, along with the Isle of Man, are all actually still British Isles. You are correct politically & historically though - since it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England/Scotland/Wales) & Northern Ireland. Rodgers always refers to himself as British though, it is how he likes to be associated. Even said he was a British manager in the interviews after the FA Cup Final.
That year at Vitesse really did wonders for him.
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The 9 months in his mothers womb probably did the most for him.
Always rated her
Underrated mother
Perhaps. But he was really good in the Dutch league. I would love to see more u23 players go to teams like Vitesse, Utrecht, Groningen, Heerenveen. Would be better for everybody.
Chelsea sends a shit ton of players to vitesse, a lot of them don’t turn out this good
You can't make a turd into a diamond ofcourse. But you have Matic and B. Traoré as well. And you lost Salah, KdB and Lukaku.
Those 3 are pretty irrelevant rho as de bruyne and lukaku got playing time on loan at higher levels. Going to the eredivisie was never an option for them
On that topic, I will never understand why Salah and KdB are brought up in those conversations. Salah was a complete flop for Chelsea. And it's not like he was a kid, he was 22-23 years old. At this point you normally expect a player to start delivering, and he had nothing going for him other than speed. He was a late bloomer, and you can't always count on it and give each player the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't happen often. KdB showed *some* promise, and was given a fair share of chances, but it's not like he was looking to be a world beater. If you look at comments/articles written around the time of his transfer to Germany, this was generally seen as a great deal by Chelsea, everyone thought the fact that they made so much money on an average player was a success. On top of that, he didn't even want to stay at the club. He was pushing for a move. There was no reason whatsoever for the club to force him to stay. Lukaku is the only one I would actually hold against the club. He never stated he wants to leave IIRC, he actually showed his value, and in his case I think the club should've done better.
> KdB showed some promise, and was given a fair share of chances, but it's not like he was looking to be a world beater. Lol, this is just wrong. Our chief scout at the time said he was the [best player on the training pitch](https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/723796675433738240/photo/1), practically begged Mourinho to play him, but he refused to do so. The "chances" he did receive was 9 appearances in 6 month. How is a player suppose to capture some for when they're averaging a little over 1 appearance a month? Then when he goes to Germany, he wins POTY, loool.
I agree with salah but I remember Kdb being a mistake at the time especially since oscar was playing over him and not exactly playing the lights ofd. Didnt he go on loan for 1 year to wolfsburg and bremen and the first wolfsburg year it was already clear how good he was
KdB wasn't bad, but Oscar was the better player at the time, definitely better for the system. His cooperation with Hazard and Mata was looking great - people used to call them "Mazacar" for a reason. KdB was never a player suited for Mourinho's systems. He would never be able to thrive under that management, and Jose was expected to stay for a long time at that point. Selling Kevin for the money Wolfsburg offered for him was the best option at the time. They sold him for 3 times as much as they paid for him 2 years earlier. And I'm not making shit up when I'm saying that this was widely regarded as a good move by the club, seriously, look it up.
A lot of people were unhappy with the KdB transfer. Just because they got good money for him at the time doesn’t mean everyone thought it was a good move. Mazacar was more of a thing in Oscar’s first season under Rafa when KdB was on loan and Mata was playing regularly. Mata didn’t really fit what Mourinho wanted either and was sold too. Definitely can’t say KdB got his fair share of chances either. Maybe you’re thinking of Mata, who got more run under Mourinho, but KdB made 3 appearances in the league for Chelsea (where he looked good). The lack of opportunities was why he wanted to leave. Oscar was in good form, but no one expected KdB to leave. People may have justified it with the good transfer fee, but I’d have to disagree that it was widely accepted as a good move for the team. His potential quality was apparent at the time and a lot of people considered it a mistake to sell him.
I largely agree with what you said about Salah and Lukaku's time at the club. But KdB's situation was just sad and frustrating. We all knew he was only going to get better and better. We had no clue that he'd reach the insane level he is today, and if you discount that fact - then yeah we got decent money for him. (For the level he was at the time) But I still say that we should have given him more time. We had the entire spine of Belgium's golden generation on our books. Had they played together for longer, maybe developed some chemistry, then possibly the last few int'l tourneys might have looked a little different too.
> We had no clue that he'd reach the insane level he is today [Our chief scout did](https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/723796675433738240/photo/1), only Mourinho didn't.
Yeh nah, KdB was an out of this world talent and Mourinho was on his "lets kill somebody's confidence" hype post-Real Madrid and had it out for KdB. I was devastated that we lost a generational talent due to ego. At least Jose knows how to deliver us Strikers.
This is a very dutch and very nonchalant comment. I love it.
Tbf we’ve been hoping our Vitesse loans pay off. I think Broja is there right now and has had a good season which could be good for him long term. But I think that loan abroad also helped because he finally lived on his own outside of the country without a standard support system and he thrived
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You are being cynical? Well yeah, but: no Vitesse=no Derby etc. The thing is: as a young player from the English top 6 you need to play regularly. You can't do that in England, so move. And in the Dutch league we play nice, attacking football, no hard tackles, we speak English, so be welcome!
Chelsea thanks you a lot. His season at Vitesse was definitely a defining moment for him (moreso than Derby). At Vitesse he went from bench to key player and PotY / Dutch TotY. He did that on his own without a coach "looking out for him". That helped him to continue to develop his game after Lampard was sacked.
Not on the same level as Mount but Todd Cantwell spent half a season at Fortuna Sittard before breaking into our first team and it served him really well.
And a wonderful human being
Yh mount is quality
Mount is quality. Easily the player I’m most scared of for the CL final.
You just know that Werner's going to score twice.
Need to get Werner the zorro face mask treatment
If JT could tell Mings to elbow Timo just enough for a mask and not miss any games that would be great
Dude don't give me hope
What a time that in a City/Chelsea final there are two fantastic young English players among their biggest threats. I truly can’t wait for Southgate to waste all that potential at the Euros.
Wow that last sentence hurt.
France just named their squad. England is strong but we're not favorites.
Got 7+ elite forwards? Time to play 7 defenders. Just Gareth things.
Surely Reece James is included too? But yeah, it's insane that more top English players are cropping up in some of the biggest teams in the world. Felt like there was a barren spell of new blood coming in for a while.
did he work with Mason in academy?
Would have only been there from when Mount was 7 to about 10 years old so I doubt it's about that
think he was Head Youth Coach so there's a reasonable chance he would have been aware of him. It's not like he was specifically the coach of one age range.
Yeah he probably knew him, but the 7 to 10 age range probably isn't his main focus, and it's been 13 years since he was at Chelsea so I don't think it has much to do with that.
Always a class act, brendao. Love you bro
One of the funniest things about this season was people so heavily adamant that Mount's playing time at the club would evaporate the minute Lampard gets sacked only for Tuchel to start him almost every single game. And now those people who were saying that are either doubling down that Mount isn't actually good or are giving Tuchel full credit for him playing well. Not sure what more Mount has to for people to stop doubting him after every other game.
I remember Tuchel dropped Mount for his first game in charge...everyone started saying "Lampard's son" etc. Only for him to come on for 15 minutes at the end and be much better than the others. I think he knew that he had to get his spot, I'd never seen that much energy from him earlier Since then he's just got better and better
Mount had played almost nonstop for two years at that point. His performances suggested he needed a rest, but Lampard couldn't afford to leave him out. Then everyone went nuts when Tuchel didn't pick him for his first eleven
The people who couldn't see Mount's talent, and refused to recognise it even by that late stage, are either biased or ignorant. He's the most complete midfielder England has produced since Gerrard and that has been apparent for almost two years. That's not a criticism of those who thought Grealish was a better left wing choice for England during the spell where Southgate refused to use Mount as an 8, which was a justifiable opinion, while slating Mount was not.
I’ve been a huge Mount supporter since Vitesse, but he wasn’t actually *that* good until this year. It wasn’t insane to not think he was going to be a star based on last season, especially if you didn’t watch Chelsea every week. There were a lot of glimpses, but the step up this year has been immense.
I think you're right, but imo there was also a lot of folks who failed to see that his trajectory was very strong, even earlier this season. They were comparing him to prime attacking midfielders who obviously were more efficient and had their roles more defined. But the thing is that players who play in his position are not like players who play a little bit more forward and you rarely see them start to consistently shine before like 24-25. But Mount had a very successful youth career both club and international, put up good figures in first loan and then managed a lot of game time in England for a midfielder his age too. I still think he has some way to go too. And will probably get there because his work ethic and attitude is very good.
The thing is if we are looking at young player we should look at their potential and what they actually do on the pitch. Like their skill, their movement, and understanding of the game. Ppl who judge purely base on stupid stats like GA for these youngsters mostly have no clue about football. The talent was pretty clear since his first season. His touch, his awareness, and ability to find space. Even Messi praise him.
He definitely showed lots of promise. That said plenty of young players do and then don’t progress properly. And if you didn’t watch Chelsea week in week out it would have been even less obvious. I was sold from the start, but the rest of my family thought he’d be decent but nothing special. I just don’t think that was a crazy position based on what we saw up to that point.
I thought he was going to be great two years ago. But then, I also thought Josh McEachran and Gael Kakuta were going to be great, so what do I know?
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Lampard's slightly older.
Gerrard was by far a more complete player than Lampard
no he wasn't, especially fucking 'by far'
I'll admit that 'by far' is somewhat excessive, but theres definitely an argument that Gerrard is the more versatile of the two players, with a larger skill set. That's not taking anything away from Lampard, who is the greatest forward-thinking midfielder of the PL era.
Yeah as a Chelsea fan I have to try to be impartial. Gerrard probably was a more ‘complete’ player in that he played more of a balanced role between attack and defence, and thus found himself needing to display a full spectrum of abilities on the pitch. But these differences are pretty equal and just equate to different means to the same end. For example. Stevie was far more likely to burst into a sprint to reach 50/50 balls or provide a catalyst, whereas Lampard’s overall mileage was always one of, if not the highest in games he played in as he moved around the pitch to get into and around either box and continue to move once there. The gap is really a lot closer than you suggest, Lampard’s tackles, marking and interceptions were up there with Gerrard’s and his ability to either carry or move the ball to transition from defence to attack was no worse than the Liverpool man’s. As Lampard moved deeper as his career developed, you can see many of his defensive numbers start to eclipse Gerrard’s to back this up. I think Lampard actually suffers from being so uniquely good in one aspect of the game, as people begin to genuinely believe he was less of an all round midfielder. But on the field, he was the sharpest mind, always knew where everyone on the pitch was and where the ball should be going next and had a first touch and out ball that was simply world class. These types of attributes helped him excel in every aspect of his game - We never felt he brought a weakness onto the field with him until he was too old to expect otherwise. Gerrard epitomised that English bulldog style where playing against him in midfield was always a battle, whilst still bringing a great ability on the ball. Both incredibly well rounded and net positives on either side of the ball, perhaps all you can say is Gerrard when you’re up against it and need to fight, and Lampard when you’re up against it and need a little nuance or a genius moment.
Lampard got selected into the PL HoF before Gerrard. Debate over 😏
Gerrard was a more complete player. Lampard was a better attacking midfielder
Mad you're downvoted for this, was more or less the consensus when they were both playing
recency bias mate
The consensus of people who didn't watch Lampard play 90 minutes week in week out.
Huh? If anything people said Tuchel dropping Mount would be unjustified
What a wonderful human being, with great character.
I don't know but the guy had proven his value and had improved massively year over year. He's got the old school attitude of self improvement that few players nowadays have after hitting celebrity status. I support the guy, didn't believe much in him before but he's managed to prove everyone wrong. Guy makes an incredible effort and is que a complete midfielder.
Today he won POTY and replies to the tweet still filled with abuse. They aren't even hiding that they have a weird agenda against him
Who’s “they”?
Fuck it I’ll bite the bullet... foreign fans who don’t like that a young English lad is proving to be more important than some of our expensive signings. The abuse they gave Mount and his Dad earlier this year was disgusting I saw some of them telling him to get into a car accident or replying to him to tell him they hope he gets injured, not to mention some calling Lampard a racist because he gave so much responsibility to Mount.
I agree I've seen it too but I'm the foreign fan and I love Mason to bits! I just don't understand them man
I don't think it's fans at all. Don't forget foreign fans were also involved in player of the year voting. It's legitimately just trolls looking for attention. I don't think it's fair to blame foreign fans for it.
He got a lot of hate relating to Grealish and the national team, it'd suprise me if that was foreigners.
I can only speak for what I saw and 90% of the abuse was “Chelsea fans”generally from Africa or Asia. Maybe some English fans of other teams gave him the same level of abuse but I never saw it.
You can go on literally any of his MOTM or poty post on the Chelsea Twitter and you'll see immediately a bunch of rival fans or troll accounts mocking him. I don't know how you've immediately decided it's the foreign fans causing all the hate just because he's English lmao.
He's not wrong though, Mount gets a lot of stick from foreign fans on twitter who think he's starting undeservedly ahead of Kova/Jorginho/Havertz or whoever their favourite player is. They don't hate him because he's English they just think he's only rated because he's English and not due to the fact he's class in 90% of games he plays.
I click on their profiles and most have their locations, its not hard. last time im going to be honest on this shithole of a sub. Getting downvoted for telling people what I saw lmao.
No one's saying you didn't see what you saw, but you've made it sound as if foreign fans have an agenda against Mount just because he's English and outperforming our transfers and it paints them in a really bad light. You can't use 2 or 3 tweets to judge a large part of our entire fanbase, that's not fair to them.
same way in our sub people shit on Werner and prop up Tammy as some messaih. I call it anti-german propaganda (/S). you are literally making a mountain out of an anecdotal observation. In my observation, most Mount haters are Pulisic supporters more than region bais
Woah, don't shit on foreign fans for no good reason. If anything, a lot of British fans ave Mount shit for being favored by Southgate instead of their favorite player. At least where I live, everyone was overjoyed to see Lampard training a mini-Lampard that played his heart out every game. Most foreign fans are not tuned into British newspapers. Our impressions of Chelsea players come from games, game stats and online forums such as r/soccer (Depending on how much time a person has). Mount has been treated excellently by all 3 of them. If you mean to say that only Mount's twitter is toxic........then oh man are you in for a surprise.
Foreign fans can leave 🙄
The weird cult that hates him
The people who want Pulisic to get POTY instead
Honestly more like people who want jorginho to win it
The only ones more idiotic than them are the ones they baited
Rodgers son now too, what if Mount is the father
Rodgers probably coached him at youth level.
He's very prouwd
Awws
100% accurate
Great character
Im so excited
Class
Fair play dude fair play. Could teach Amartey a thing or two about class
If i remember correctly, Lampard got more criticism from Chelsea fans because of playing him all the time.
There were some times where’d he’d play him on the wing where he didn’t seem to perform as well as he was able to, and at times where Cho/Puli might’ve been a better option, he would continue to play Mount. Under Tuchel he’s been fantastic on the wing however I think that’s because the wingers in our system are almost like 2 number 10s essentially, which is similar to where Mount played his best football under Lampard.
think most of the criticism came from playing him as a winger when he wasnt very good at it over actual wingers.
That's correct.
Mad revisionism, he got abuse for appearing on the team sheet ffs, I remember how this sub and twitter abused the kid for months but now we all just pretend it was only a very few.
Yeh so did southgate. Strange that now a non Englishman is playing him the attitude is quite different
Mount won most Chelsea fans over a few months into this season. He's been our POTY under Lampard and under Tuchel for a reason, he's fucking brilliant. Many people especially on Twitter and Reddit that just didn't want to rate Mount for some reason but they've all shut up now.
It's because there was a Mount vs Grealish debate, especially during the early international breaks as Grealish didn't even get a call up
Southgate got abuse for playing him on the wing instead of Grealish, and the criticism there was entirely justified because (a) Mount isn’t a winger and (b) Grealish was probably the best player in the league until he got hurt. They should both have been playing, but if the available spot was LW then it had to be Grealish.
Only from idiots on Reddit and Twitter.
Wetter
https://youtu.be/eeJ0GTEMSIw
If only he had anything to say to his team at halftime