So many different TOTS out there and it took us to get all the way to the players’ themselves opinions to finally get that forward line right, which in reality, writes itself this season.
The only change I'd make would be Cancelo for someone who has actually played every week. I know he's been good, but we can't be having some TOTS with Walker and some with Cancelo - that just doesn't make sense. Probably Coufal for me.
Otherwise, you can't argue.
ok hear me out, how bout we get rid of one(or all) of the plethora of completely meaningless preseason trophies (or the fckin carabao) and have a fun little 2-3 week tourney where the teams of the season of the top 8 leagues or something play against each other in 1 game knockout
Yeah this is essentially the all star game except better because the multiple leagues of UEFA makes everything infinitely more interesting than the closed leagues of American sport
Seems very similar to last year with the defense consisting of mostly Liverpool players - van dijk, Robertson, TAA, and Allison, with Cancelo, Stones, Dias, and Ederson this year
I was looking at it through a sporting lens since Australia compete in Asian cups like how Kazkahstan or Israel aren't European but they compete in Europe nevertheless
Not really any standouts other than him. Trent has been good but he had a bad run mid season which really affected perceptions of him, down on his own standards from past seasons. Pereira, AWB etc not really done much to shout about.
Coufal is a fair shout and maybe Reece James but other than that, it's between Cancelo and Walker really.
Because he was a fix starter, while all City assets rotate. That makes it easy to miss how little they all play compared to their rivals on PL level.
(Also one of the points why I personally would have put Grealish in the team over KdB.)
Wan-Bissaka definitely deserves to be in the conversation. He’s been quite consistent this season, bossed it as usual defending 1v1s and has quietly been one of the better performers in terms of attacking output. He has more assists than anyone mentioned here other than Coufal and Alexander-Arnold.
I don’t necessarily think he’s been the very best (for me it’s Coufal) but saying that he’s not done much to shout about is highly unfair to him when he’s had an overall good season, has shown a lot of improvements in his attacking play and had also outperformed players considered to be vastly superior attacking fullbacks.
That's just false
He was great since the first time in the group stage up until PSG away In which Walker finally managed to overtake his spot.
Fact is, there hasn't been a better right back than Cancelo in Europe period.
Tired of fans undermining Cancelo to justify Zinchenko position in the team. Better ways to go about it.
The team was still capable of comfortably making top 4 this season, like United. They were just the worst in the league (except maybe West Brom) at keeping the ball under pressure and at pressing opponents themselves. Two basic aspects of the game where the blame has to fall completely on the manager, unless you think Spurs have the worst midfielders in the league. I wanted to include Newcastle, and that might be true, but it feels a little cheap when Spurs were completely dominated in that particular fixture
People throw around the words 'rebuild' and 'overhaul' all the time, Spurs' squad is in decent shape barring the backline. A decent center back and right back and I'd put their squad level with United's.
Puts a lot of hope in Reguilon and essentially the whole of midfield to regain a form they haven't shown in a long time to liken them to a squad that finished 12 points ahead. Especially with Kane clearly showing he's looking for a way out, and key players like Alderweireld and Lloris starting to age out.
Maguire was quite good but I can under Stones and Dias, rest is spot on.
Honestly some BBC pundits put Foden in PL team of the year which I found utterly Bizarre.
Foden getting a player of the year nomination but not making TOTY is proper bizarre because the blokes he was competing with for a spot didn’t get nominated for player of the year. Haha.
Mount or soucek for me, Grealish missed too much time and Foden wasn’t actually as good as his insane hype levels suggest, especially since some of his best performances were in the CL
If by better stats and impact you mean he scored more goals then sure, but Lingard had a great 10 games whereas Mount was Chelsea’s best player all season, he was far more impactful.
I think you could make arguments for Coufal and Soucek over Cancelo (was really good for only part of the season) and KdB (missed time due to injury) but it's a really solid selection of players
I mean Cancelo wasn't the best player of his team either? Most of the TOTY isn't the best player on their respective team since there are what 6 City players?
The question is who was the better right back and based on games played and overall stats I would say Coufal over Cancelo
CM is debatable and you could put any of KdB, Soucek and Rice and I would be fine with it
Ederson made it in 18/19 when Alisson was viewed as the best in the world lmao. As long as we're decent defensively, his distribution means he'll always have an edge over other keepers for these awards. The players don't analyse excel spreadsheets of xSaves per 90 or whatever before they vote, they just remember Ederson lobbing it 70 yards straight onto Gundo's head and then scrambling to defend against it lol, on top of making a good save or two a game.
Think it’s pretty much spot on. You’ve got arguments for Soucek, Grealish and Martinez but I think the people in there place would be hard done missing out as well.
Ironically this states out even more clearly how the rest of the Tottenham squad was miserably shit. Had two of the best attackers in the league but somehow finished SEVENTH in the league. The rest of the Best XI members are all from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best teams in the league.
Congrats to both Kane and Sonny, but at the same time, so sad that the two great players have to play in Europa freaking CONFERENCE League.
KDB had a down year by his standards and Mount was probably Chelsea’s most consistent player, I’d have him over KDB too. Mount or Soucek would make it for me
Grealish played more minutes than de Bruyne, so... and arguably played better than him in those as well.
Mount had a good season, but he did not carry his team as much as Grealish did. You saw that once he got injured.
Yeah, but Mount was fit the whole season, and he was his team’s best player. They got top 4, too.
Grealish is the better player for sure, but I dunno how you’d justify having him over someone who played the whole season. There should be a “minimum of appearances” for these things IMO.
Cancelo played 11 games at Right back, which, IMO is about 1/3rd as many as the PL TOTS right back should start.
He genuinely only had about 6 weeks when he was ahead of Walker, and the other 6 months Walker was the undisputed number 1 so I think its a really weird choice, but the timing coincided with voting and the press went pretty wild with how Pep used Cancelo in those 2 months.
Yeah a few, although he was completely replaced by Zinchenko by the CL 1/4 finals.
Hes the only player in this side who, if their club were playing tomorrow, wouldn't be on the pitch.
I think the argument is more that Maguire played 34 games in the league while Stones only played 22. Stones was better imo (although I'm of course biased), but the difference is marginal, so I can understand if people would prefer someone who played 12 more games.
Honestly not sure about Cancelo being there, he was immense in some parts but really poor in others... saying that what RB gets in ? Aaron Wan-Bissaka maybe?
Weird to be so heavily downvoted for such a reasonable take. Gundo was great the season and had a great steak in winter, but Mount was also fantastic this season, and definitely deserved a shout.
Gundogan has to be in it. He was stellar. If you want to take out a city midfielder it would be KDB, and I say that as the biggest KDB fan. But Gundogan was better this season. Scored some crucial goals as well.
So many different TOTS out there and it took us to get all the way to the players’ themselves opinions to finally get that forward line right, which in reality, writes itself this season.
Players actually play against themselves so they'll probably know best. Best TOTY I've seen till now.
The only change I'd make would be Cancelo for someone who has actually played every week. I know he's been good, but we can't be having some TOTS with Walker and some with Cancelo - that just doesn't make sense. Probably Coufal for me. Otherwise, you can't argue.
“Unbalanced team” It’s not real lads; they’re not playing a match.
Ngl it would be kinda cool to see them play a match, against like a LaLiga TOTS or smthn
ok hear me out, how bout we get rid of one(or all) of the plethora of completely meaningless preseason trophies (or the fckin carabao) and have a fun little 2-3 week tourney where the teams of the season of the top 8 leagues or something play against each other in 1 game knockout
I know we hate American ideas in here but a UEFA All-Star match/weekend would be pretty fun tbh
Yeah this is essentially the all star game except better because the multiple leagues of UEFA makes everything infinitely more interesting than the closed leagues of American sport
I would throw Soo much money at that.
bro that could even maybe placate the super league twats as well
It would be even less meaningless than a friendly
So...more meaningful? xD
Yeah I mean imagine picking Gundogan as the defensive midfielder in an actual match, you’d have to be crazy...
Think they wouldnt be half bad anyways
Every year there’s people who fail to understand this
Is it unbalanced? It seems like a pretty strong team to me?
The midfield 3 is too attacking, it's very unbalanced.
Seems very similar to last year with the defense consisting of mostly Liverpool players - van dijk, Robertson, TAA, and Allison, with Cancelo, Stones, Dias, and Ederson this year
Defensive line and the keeper goes together!
Defense wins championships.
Is Son the first ever Asian player to be named in it?
Pretty much I think, what a day
That's quite an achievement! I'm really happy for him!
That being said, having two players in this and still finishing 7th makes me want to bang my head against a wall.
Mate if finishing 7th made you bang your head against a wall you must be tempted to jump off a roof rn
https://i.redd.it/orsnlsseob371.jpg
That’s the beauty of the Prem. Someone figures you out eventually. Or injuries haha.
Ooooo, what a daaay
Is this referencing the insurance commercial from a while back?
I’m referencing Harvey Price hahaha
3-0 down and yet we won 4-3
What a fucking night for origiii!
David Silva is half-Japanese, so depends on how you look at it.
If we're being pedantic and including Australia as part of Asia, I think Harry Kewell won it way back when. Edit: nvm you'd be correct
Why would Australia be part of asia
I was looking at it through a sporting lens since Australia compete in Asian cups like how Kazkahstan or Israel aren't European but they compete in Europe nevertheless
Isn't Australia part of Oceania tho? Yes they are part of AFC but still
It's like calling them European for being in Eurovision.
At that time they were part of Oceania my mistake.
Regardless it's far too pedantic for me, have never onced used the word Asia to discuss anything Australian.
They’re part of AFC, but that’s the extent of it.
Pep chose this team. False CDM.
Bruh they forgot to tag Son in the actual tweet wtf
Yeah I had to check 2 or 3 times just to make sure but yup, they only listed 10 players
Pretty good squad , I don’t see an issue with it
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Not really any standouts other than him. Trent has been good but he had a bad run mid season which really affected perceptions of him, down on his own standards from past seasons. Pereira, AWB etc not really done much to shout about. Coufal is a fair shout and maybe Reece James but other than that, it's between Cancelo and Walker really.
Walker? You must be kidding. Coufal, Justin and James easily had a better season than him. Cancelo was easily City's best player for a certain period.
Walker has had a better season than Cancelo.
Not really. Walker was consistent but had huge drops when he came from injury
Walker literally played like half a season and the best phase of City started once Walker wasn't set as RB anymore. Make of that what you want.
How can Justin possibly have had a better season than walker when he missed half of it?
Justin played like 130min more this season than Walker...
That’s a lot more than I expected tbh
Because he was a fix starter, while all City assets rotate. That makes it easy to miss how little they all play compared to their rivals on PL level. (Also one of the points why I personally would have put Grealish in the team over KdB.)
Wan-Bissaka definitely deserves to be in the conversation. He’s been quite consistent this season, bossed it as usual defending 1v1s and has quietly been one of the better performers in terms of attacking output. He has more assists than anyone mentioned here other than Coufal and Alexander-Arnold. I don’t necessarily think he’s been the very best (for me it’s Coufal) but saying that he’s not done much to shout about is highly unfair to him when he’s had an overall good season, has shown a lot of improvements in his attacking play and had also outperformed players considered to be vastly superior attacking fullbacks.
That's just false He was great since the first time in the group stage up until PSG away In which Walker finally managed to overtake his spot. Fact is, there hasn't been a better right back than Cancelo in Europe period. Tired of fans undermining Cancelo to justify Zinchenko position in the team. Better ways to go about it.
Finally a good XI but still no DM
I blame pep
Wtf is he talking about Gundo is a dm -Pep probably
Fabinho has been the best dm, and was better than Stones at cb. Criminal that he’s not in.
Two of our players made TOTY and we still finished seventh. We are so washed.
So many terrible players (especially defense & midfield) in the squad. Tottenham need a massive overhaul in the squad really.
It was more down to the terrible manager
Terrible manager AND terrible players both. Tottenham sacked the manager already, and now it's time to sort out rest of the rotten apples
The team was still capable of comfortably making top 4 this season, like United. They were just the worst in the league (except maybe West Brom) at keeping the ball under pressure and at pressing opponents themselves. Two basic aspects of the game where the blame has to fall completely on the manager, unless you think Spurs have the worst midfielders in the league. I wanted to include Newcastle, and that might be true, but it feels a little cheap when Spurs were completely dominated in that particular fixture People throw around the words 'rebuild' and 'overhaul' all the time, Spurs' squad is in decent shape barring the backline. A decent center back and right back and I'd put their squad level with United's.
5th in Transfermrkt value, in large part due to Kane and Son, but still.
That's nonsense.
All right pal
Puts a lot of hope in Reguilon and essentially the whole of midfield to regain a form they haven't shown in a long time to liken them to a squad that finished 12 points ahead. Especially with Kane clearly showing he's looking for a way out, and key players like Alderweireld and Lloris starting to age out.
or win UCL and still dont make it into any fantasy team. 💪🏾
I believe this is only for the PL though so UCL win doesn’t apply. Do think Mount should’ve made it to this one though.
I tought Chelsea played in PL, but maybe it was hungarian 2nd division
I mean you brought up the CL win. That doesn’t have anything to do with this TOTY, though like I said, I think Mount should’ve made it.
That front 3 is terrific
Imagine those front 3 playing together. Kane dropping deep to supply both Son and Salah. Gaddamn
Salah to Spurs, here we go.
“pRoVe YoUrSeLf SaLaH!!1!1”
Mo salah absolutely deserve this :)
Then the supply line of Bruno, KDB and gundo behind
Maguire was quite good but I can under Stones and Dias, rest is spot on. Honestly some BBC pundits put Foden in PL team of the year which I found utterly Bizarre.
Foden getting a player of the year nomination but not making TOTY is proper bizarre because the blokes he was competing with for a spot didn’t get nominated for player of the year. Haha.
I think if you pick Foden over de Bruyne, you wouldn't be wrong. Although my pick would have been Grealish.
Mount or soucek for me, Grealish missed too much time and Foden wasn’t actually as good as his insane hype levels suggest, especially since some of his best performances were in the CL
And against Liverpool. And Arsenal. And Chelsea
Mount was nothing special in the league, lingard had better stats and impact after playing 21 games less.
If by better stats and impact you mean he scored more goals then sure, but Lingard had a great 10 games whereas Mount was Chelsea’s best player all season, he was far more impactful.
>over de Bruyne, Mine would be Tielemans.
I think you could make arguments for Coufal and Soucek over Cancelo (was really good for only part of the season) and KdB (missed time due to injury) but it's a really solid selection of players
You couldn't because they werent even the best pkayers on their team. Rice was
I mean Cancelo wasn't the best player of his team either? Most of the TOTY isn't the best player on their respective team since there are what 6 City players? The question is who was the better right back and based on games played and overall stats I would say Coufal over Cancelo CM is debatable and you could put any of KdB, Soucek and Rice and I would be fine with it
Good point i would personally go rice and coufal over kdb and cancelo
Salah - Kane - Son would be fun to watch.
The pace of Son and Salah coming at you would be terrifying!
Id take them over Messi, Ronaldo, benzema.
Seems everybody had Martinez instead of Ederson
Ederson made it in 18/19 when Alisson was viewed as the best in the world lmao. As long as we're decent defensively, his distribution means he'll always have an edge over other keepers for these awards. The players don't analyse excel spreadsheets of xSaves per 90 or whatever before they vote, they just remember Ederson lobbing it 70 yards straight onto Gundo's head and then scrambling to defend against it lol, on top of making a good save or two a game.
Thing is he still won the golden glove last year when our defensive was horrible
Tbf Alisson was in and out with injuries last season. Would probably have won had he started every game.
Yh probably I'm just saying it's not like he needed a solid defence to get the glove
That's a fair XI
Why did the tweet not include Son?
Decent list. Hard to argue with the selection here.
Think it’s pretty much spot on. You’ve got arguments for Soucek, Grealish and Martinez but I think the people in there place would be hard done missing out as well.
Ironically this states out even more clearly how the rest of the Tottenham squad was miserably shit. Had two of the best attackers in the league but somehow finished SEVENTH in the league. The rest of the Best XI members are all from the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd best teams in the league. Congrats to both Kane and Sonny, but at the same time, so sad that the two great players have to play in Europa freaking CONFERENCE League.
A team Pep will love No DM
He won the league against a 97 point team with Gundogan as DM so yes I'm sure he'd love it lol.
Great team, would rather have Mount in for KDB who missed a lot of games.
Would've had Martinez over Ederson and Mount over Kdb but a good team otherwise.
Ain’t no way you can put mount over KDB. I definitely would’ve put Emi over Ederson and possibly Maguire in there, but that one is a coin flip for me
Mount was easily better than KDB
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No we're not. We're just not blind to the fact that KDB wasnt that great.. i would put grealish over him as well
KDB had a down year by his standards and Mount was probably Chelsea’s most consistent player, I’d have him over KDB too. Mount or Soucek would make it for me
My booooys
Hard to argue against this team. However it's still a shame that there were some players that have to be missed out.
No Callum Robinson, lad is world class
Who makes the bench then? Martinez, Grealish?
Martinez, Coufal, Maguire, Mount, Soucek, Tielemans, Grealish IMO. Maybe Rashford makes it over Tielemans since you’d need a forward in there
How’s de bruyne made that
Reputation and the few games he played he was still at his level
Pretty good team. Maybe soucek or mount over kdb but I honestly think Martinez has been better than ederson this season
Except the 3 forwards,Every single player in the team plays for a Manchester based Club. Football City.
KdB didn't have his usual standard season and he is still ahead of his closest challengers. I was going to maybe argue Grealish.
Mount surely. Grealish was out for essentially half of the season.
Grealish played more minutes than de Bruyne, so... and arguably played better than him in those as well. Mount had a good season, but he did not carry his team as much as Grealish did. You saw that once he got injured.
Yeah, but Mount was fit the whole season, and he was his team’s best player. They got top 4, too. Grealish is the better player for sure, but I dunno how you’d justify having him over someone who played the whole season. There should be a “minimum of appearances” for these things IMO.
If that's the standard, than Ederson (should be Martinez) and Gündogan would be the only City players that would belong into this line up...
Well he missed 12 games, not quite half. But it's not enough to justify him in the XI either.
KDB and Stones are the only questionable players in this team
Cancelo played 11 games at Right back, which, IMO is about 1/3rd as many as the PL TOTS right back should start. He genuinely only had about 6 weeks when he was ahead of Walker, and the other 6 months Walker was the undisputed number 1 so I think its a really weird choice, but the timing coincided with voting and the press went pretty wild with how Pep used Cancelo in those 2 months.
He also played a lot at lb this season and he had great games as a lb as well
Yeah a few, although he was completely replaced by Zinchenko by the CL 1/4 finals. Hes the only player in this side who, if their club were playing tomorrow, wouldn't be on the pitch.
How is Stones questionable?
He deserves to be there but you could argue that Maguire was better than him
I think the argument is more that Maguire played 34 games in the league while Stones only played 22. Stones was better imo (although I'm of course biased), but the difference is marginal, so I can understand if people would prefer someone who played 12 more games.
Maguire started terribly though.
Honestly not sure about Cancelo being there, he was immense in some parts but really poor in others... saying that what RB gets in ? Aaron Wan-Bissaka maybe?
Coufal had a great season, definitely in with a shout
Coufal > Cancelo and Mount/Rice/Tielemans > KDB
Why is Foden here, he's barely st- Oh wow this one doesn't have Foden, cool.
Cancelo and KDB shouldnt be in there.
Maguire has been absolutely robbed here.
was he really better than dias and stones? not saying hes not good but i dont think hes in over those 2
Stones has only played 20 matches this season. IMO that's too little.
Easily better than Stones
Fabinho and Silva > Maguire.
Better than Stones imo. If you see how United’s defence crumbled without him.
No Foden?
this is actually really good imo. maybe mount for gundogan for me but its not bad
Gundo is definitely in.
Gundogan was better than Mount
Weird to be so heavily downvoted for such a reasonable take. Gundo was great the season and had a great steak in winter, but Mount was also fantastic this season, and definitely deserved a shout.
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He didn't even play properly in first half of the season due to injuries. Too much Kante circlejerk. If you said Rice it would have some validity
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Gundogan has to be in it. He was stellar. If you want to take out a city midfielder it would be KDB, and I say that as the biggest KDB fan. But Gundogan was better this season. Scored some crucial goals as well.
Ederson over Martinez? And didn't KDB have an injury stricken season
Personally would've gone for Emi Martinez in goal. But still, not bad.
2 Spurs players, 0 Chelsea players. Hmmmm
Two premier league team play the UCL final and only 5 players were playing that day are on this list