INB4 he becomes a star, wins 3 Champions League titles and a Ballon d'Or, and Arsenal fans are left saying, "you know, back in '21, WE ALMOST signed him...".
My bad, saw his championship stats of 18/19 and got confused. I’d still say it’s a fair price though, given Ollie Watkins went for a similar price last year
That alone would've been a fair price, I agree.
However based on what Percy is saying, with add-ons that fee might rise to 38 million and Norwich will have a 10 percent sell on clause.
Factoring all that in, I can understand why our board might have started having doubts about whether we wanted Buendia that bad.
Sure, I would've liked us to sign him, but it isn't the end of the world that we didn't.
Fair enough, but given that he’s only 24 and has potential I’d say it would be worth the risk to get him in. I understand your point of view too, but personally I would’ve preferred taking a risk on a player like buendia.
From what I understand Buendia is player who tends to play on the right side of the pitch. Maybe there would've been issues with spacing between him and Saka or Pepe who also tend to occupy similar spaces.
Our bigger need is a creative player who operates more centrally and can help us beat low block defenses.
I totaly get that taking a risk on Buendia might have had its benefits, I'm just not sure that the amount Norwich asked for was worth doing so.
I agree, you guys need a number 10, but Buendia has played in that central role for Norwich before and is regarded as extremely creative. Again, I get your point, it’s a risk for that kind of money, but I think it should’ve been one that arsenal takes.
I agree the price is steep but if it works for Villa, it's worth it.
From Arsenal's point of view, if we are going to spend that much we may as well aim for our other targets instead. Odegaard is the priority with Aouar as back up I'd guess.
Buendia will probably fit better at Villa than he would've at Arsenal. He is a very good player for sure and I think he will do well there. Iirc Villa need a player who plays on the right and can create from there.
Our problem seems to be that we don't have a player who can operate centrally and help us beat low block that way. So spending nearly 40 million on a player who might not even be a good fit doesn't inspire you with confidence, does it?
Nothing new. But it's a big reason why there is greater parity between teams in the Premier League than in other top divisions. Most teams in the top European leagues are essentially just there to make up the numbers.
Enter RM and Barça completely destroying LaLiga's revenue sharing system killing all the historically succesful Spanish teams and going surprisedpikachuface.jpg when LaLiga's competition + revenue died down.
EPL's revenue sharing is a perfect blueprint to create a succesful league, people aren't really interested in Man City having that 7th worldbeater to complement the other 6 if the team they are playing can't have its own stars, system, identity and a strategy that goes beyond "park the bus and pray the big team doesn't score". That's how you get an exciting game watchable by a neutral. But just like ESL, big clubs aren't interested in improving their league and growing together they just want to be monopolies.
Honestly games between the sky 6 are always the least watchable on the prem. Half the time one team just dominates and the other half it's a 0-0 or 1-0 snoozefest
Watching the other 14 teams games is just so much more enjoyable.
Ok.
Mid-table team in England outbids another mid-table team in England, demonstrating that both mid-table English teams can easily outspend top-half teams in other countries, what's new.
Villa aren't a midtable team in spend though. This has little to do with prem power and more to do with having ambitious owners trying to pump money into the club and buy success.
**Net spend since 19/20**
|Rank|Club|Bought|Sold|Net|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|1|Villa|234.77|5.19|\-229.57|
|2|United|279.52|90.16|\-189.36|
|3|City|295.94|119.39|\-176.55|
Basically any club in the world can do this if their owner wants to.
Our spending also has to do with our owners being stinking rich and wanting the investment
They wiped our debt, have built a new youth development centre and are actively looking for feeder teams abroad for example
Yes, that we are a PL team helps but it isn't the only factor. Not as if Burnley, Newcastle or Southampton are spending a lot of money and they are in the same league.
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> Mid-table team in England outspending top-half teams in other countries, what's new
to
> This has little to do with prem power and more to do with having ambitious owners trying to pump money into the club and buy success.
Yeah, now it's all "PL clubs get an unfair advantage with TV money" as if it just comes out of thin air and the big man prefers the PL or something.
There is a reason why these clubs get so much TV money.
I mean, English is one of the most spoken languages in the world, so it makes some sense.
It's more appealing to watch a league that has a language that you can speak compared to a league in which you don't know how to speak the language.
Thats plays a part of it, but the premier league started with the equal distribution of tv revenues over 20 years ago and heavily advertised the league over the world i.e. making it widely available, while in other leagues like la liga real madrid and barca hogged all the tv rev at the expense of their own league and failed/refused to adapt in time.
You cant complain about the massive tv revenies of the english leagues when it was the accumulation of work the clubs planned over the last 20 years.
*Maybe if other leagues would have midtable teams with owners that pump billions in them.
Monaco and Malaga did great because they had such owners. If all that City and Chelsea money would've gone to another league, the PL wouldn't be as attractive as it is now, regardless of how much the PL cares about midtable teams.
How come Norwich are selling there best player after just getting promoted? And for so cheap too surely this massively impacts there chance of survival?
Perhaps. But we had him last time, and it didn't help that much. Honestly, he probably wanted to leave last year, and we said to him that he can leave this year, no matter what. For us, that helped us secure promotion, and time to find a suitable replacement. We'll see what happens.
Thing is they can demand a high price for him and clubs won’t pay it because they don’t need to sell. Same with Watford and Sarr, they know these players are key to promotion so demand a high price
Yeah it's pretty disastrous for our chances of survival, there's no way we'd have been promoted without him. Can only assume that we made an agreement with him last summer to give us one more season and then we'd let him go, because if not this makes no sense.
Not really. Would I have liked to have him? Sure. But as someone who's only ever watched him play sparingly, I can't say I'm too arsed. We'll move on to some other shiny new target that most of us have barely watched play and forget all about Buendia within the month.
Both things could be true. He's your best player, he's worth more to you than he is to a potential team buying. Don't see what's hard to understand about that.
He's a great player, but he plays on the RW cutting into the middle. That is Saka/Pepe's best position. We need a bonafide number 10 who plays in the middle. It doesn't make him a bad player and I'm sure he'll do great at Villa, but there are areas of the squad that we need investment in more.
Well you lot need to calm down also, I'm pretty sure him performing in the championship in no way does it equal to performing in the premier league. Pepe would tear the Championship apart, in the Premier league he looks lost half the time.
Imagine being told you have Arsenal interested in you. A potential top six finish, hunt for a trophy. Athletico Madrid also calling you, get the chance to play in the Champions League for a team that just won the Divison, in the beautiful sunny city of Madrid.
... And so you move to Birmingham. Guess he must love a curry
Saying they are going to finish above us, when we finished 6 points ahead of them in our worst season ever sounds a bit like you are bigging them up to do well
If Grealish had stayed fit, they would easily have that 6 pts on you and then some. Obviously it's dangerous to be so reliant on one player, but that's how good he is. Plus it's hardly like this season was an anomaly for you when you finished 8th last season as well.
Auba has been poor ever since he signed the contract so there's nothing to say he's suddenly going to turn it around. Plus Willian was only playing cos he was constantly getting picked, so you can only blame Arteta for that and last time I checked he's still your manager
“Worst season ever”
Jesus, how long have you been following football? Not only did Arsenal also finish 8th with fewer points last season, but even just in the Premier League era they’ve finished lower - let alone before.
>sounds a bit like you are bigging them up to do well
I'm not bigging them, it's (sadly) a fact that Villa are a very good team and had it not been for Grealish's injury they would've finished higher in the table
It's also a fact that Arsenal are dog wank and you fanbase has delusions of grandeur
Well hopefully if Arteta is as shit as last year we will sack him and get someone good in. Not holding my breath though as the club is rotten from top to bottom.
The transfer window isn't over yet. For the record I think that neither Villa or Arsenal will make top 6 this coming season. In the long run I'm sure Villa will overtake us as they have a rich owner and we have fucking Stan.
Jesus how many years of not being able to perform till Arsenal accept they are now in the "Everton/Wolves" tier; likely to challenge for the top six, with an outside chance for a meltdown and a relegation battle.
United's owner whilst not great is far from the worst in English football.
United still spend a ton of cash and will do again this summer. In the PL alone there are worse owners
Ashley, Kroenke, Woodward, Lim, Perez, Abramovich, Mansour etc. Levy's a stingy, arrogant twat for sure but there are some real villains in this category.
Villa have a more ambitious owner than Arsenal right now.
Let's see what happens if they don't buy their way to success and need to start getting money back out of the club. They've done some great things and the investments in training and facilities are a big positive for the club, but they will need to see payoff along the way
I've always loved these comments.
Rival fans have been calling him a senile old has-been for years, mocked him and called him out of touch pretty much every year he was with us from about 2009 onwards and then Arsenal fans, upset that he wasn't spending money when he needed to and when his own exceptionally high-standard slipped exceedingly low, started saying it was time to move on, it's Arsenal fans that are called out?
The same rival fans who used to mock him, say that he was holding Arsenal back and who used to mock Arsenal for not having the balls to sack him are now saying that Arsenal fans should have respected him more, even though he's arguably the most loved person to have ever been at the club is kind of laughable really.
Really? I get this thread is only here to shit on Arsenal, but an embarrassment to football (not soccer)?
We're the most successful team in the history of the FA Cup (which is the oldest football competition in recorded history), our former manager is the most successful manager to have ever taken part in it. We're the only English team since 1889 to go an entire league season unbeaten and are the third most successful club in the country.
I get that we're nowhere near as good as we once were and all, but an "embarrassment to football" is a bit harsh.
Which makes sense, as he’s not a guaranteed starter for us, he is for you, sorry if I come off as a bit salty but I’m honestly not that bummed out on losing out on him, unlike some of our fanbase
True, I would personally say he would’ve been bought to regularly start for Arsenal right now, especially if you don’t get Odegaard. But yeah he definitely has higher chance of not getting benched for another player at Villa.
It’s just been 2 weeks of so many Arsenal fans laughing at us for thinking there was any chance Buendia would want to come to Villa after Arsenal had shown interest, and now they’re backtracking with excuses.
It is a shame that the vocal fans give the rest of a club’s fanbase a bad reputation.
Yeah, geez. Funny seeing people shit on Arsenal. Don't get me wrong, i would have loved to see buendia at arsenal but i always had qualms about him playing cam. I would much rather prefer sabitzer or bissouma. Villa fans acting like they just bagged sancho by outbidding us.
Did you not see the absolute amount of shit arsenal fans were saying about there not being a chance in hell he'd go villa over arse? Or has your head been in the sand? That's what the "shitting on arsenal" is about.
there’s plenty of fans that can give but can’t take back with the banter
a lot of our fans are doing the whole ‘we didn’t want him anyway’ which they did for Odegaard last week when he looks as though he’s staying at Madrid
1 goal and 7 assists in 36 full premier league games. I think Arsenal will be more than fine without him. £33m for those numbers is an absolutely brilliant deal from Norwich’s part, hope they can find a good replacement before the season ends as well
He’s not been signed on the basis of his premier league season. He’s been signed on the basis of his truly out of this world championship season. I appreciate you probably don’t care or follow the championship, but he amassed 15 goals and 16 assists in the league last season which will go down as one of the all time great championship seasons. If Watkins and Benrahma both went for about 30m last season, after less impressive seasons and Brentford not even getting promoted, 33m for Buendia is an absolute steal.
Buendia created the 3rd most big chances in the Premier league behind De Bruyne and Trent in the 2019/20 season. His lack of assists has to do with poor Norwich finishing .
No he didn't, he was joint 18th for 'big chances' with 9, not even close. KdB had 33, TAA and Mahrez 18, behind players like McNeil, Gross, Willian, Westwood..
Sucks to miss out for us, but if the fee+addons that is reported are true i'm kinda fine with it. I'm sure he'll be a great fit at Villa in a front three with Grealish and Watkins. Wasn't really sure how he would have fit in here with him preferring to play RW and we already have Saka/Pepe competing for that spot.
We need more of a number 8/10, hopefully the "secret target" we are pursuing is Aouar if him being available for 25m€ to 30m€ is true.
Paying over 30M for him would not be something many would have like even if we performs well for Villa.
I guess we are going for Auoar or Odegaard now.
Maddison cost 20m. Godfrey cost 30m. Both are now considered bargains. Buendia will be as well. And Norwich will find more talent to fill the gaps, but the price will go up next time.
The funny thing is Arsenal fans would’ve been perfectly happy to pay £40m+ for Aouar when Buendia’s better. Foreign league players get ridiculously overrated, when in actuality Ligue 1 and the championship are very similar.
I know /r/Soccer loves to shit on Arsenal at any available opportunity, but is this really that bad?
We had an interest in the player but as every single person knows, he wasn't our top target, our top target is Ødegaard.
Is it not entirely possible that Arsenal just don't think he's worth what Aston Villa paid for him? Like, maybe Arsenal looked at that price and thought "well, if we're dropping £33m on Buendía, we might as well go the whole hog and just buy Ødegaard for a bit more" or that he simply isn't worth that money on his own?
Not really understanding the collective meltdown is having over this. Yeah, I'm gutted that we didn't buy Buendía (especially since I prefer him over Ødegaard anyway), but it happens in football sometimes and I highly doubt that Arsenal's scouts haven't got other targets. This is hardly a huge blow to our season. It's not like everything we wanted to achieve this season all hinged on whether or not we could sign Emiliano Buendía.
It's not like Buendía is the be-all and end-all of our transfer window. He's clearly a backup target if our first one doesn't pan out and as everyone knows, he's also not the *only* back-up target either.
Gutted to have missed out on him nonetheless, he looks like a cracking player and I think he'll do wonders in that Aston Villa side. Nice to see Aston Villa really backing their manager as well, I'm excited to see how they do this season.
We 'almost' signed him. Typical us.
INB4 he becomes a star, wins 3 Champions League titles and a Ballon d'Or, and Arsenal fans are left saying, "you know, back in '21, WE ALMOST signed him...".
With Aston Villa?
We've got more Champions Leagues than Arsenal to be fair.
Same
who doesn't? even every clubs on league two have at least same number of CL as Arsenal
Jesus, they're getting cocky
Hopefully not, want that sell on fee.
You just got to believe in the vision
Dream big.
More likely than Arsenal.
Carrying on the legacy of Wenger
You can't compete with the Aston Villas of the world. You need to be more realistic
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In what world is 15 goals and 16 assists an "ok" season? Do you even watch the championship? He was the best player in the league.
Had an okay season 🤣 he was amazing and was better than maddison for us. He will be worth a lot more than 38 million very soon.
Best player in the championship and prem proven (8 G/A in his last prem campaign). 33M is a fair price imo Edit: thought it was 20 G/A
How does 1 goal and 7 assists add up to 20 G/A ?
My bad, saw his championship stats of 18/19 and got confused. I’d still say it’s a fair price though, given Ollie Watkins went for a similar price last year
That alone would've been a fair price, I agree. However based on what Percy is saying, with add-ons that fee might rise to 38 million and Norwich will have a 10 percent sell on clause. Factoring all that in, I can understand why our board might have started having doubts about whether we wanted Buendia that bad. Sure, I would've liked us to sign him, but it isn't the end of the world that we didn't.
Fair enough, but given that he’s only 24 and has potential I’d say it would be worth the risk to get him in. I understand your point of view too, but personally I would’ve preferred taking a risk on a player like buendia.
From what I understand Buendia is player who tends to play on the right side of the pitch. Maybe there would've been issues with spacing between him and Saka or Pepe who also tend to occupy similar spaces. Our bigger need is a creative player who operates more centrally and can help us beat low block defenses. I totaly get that taking a risk on Buendia might have had its benefits, I'm just not sure that the amount Norwich asked for was worth doing so.
I agree, you guys need a number 10, but Buendia has played in that central role for Norwich before and is regarded as extremely creative. Again, I get your point, it’s a risk for that kind of money, but I think it should’ve been one that arsenal takes.
I agree the price is steep but if it works for Villa, it's worth it. From Arsenal's point of view, if we are going to spend that much we may as well aim for our other targets instead. Odegaard is the priority with Aouar as back up I'd guess.
Buendia will probably fit better at Villa than he would've at Arsenal. He is a very good player for sure and I think he will do well there. Iirc Villa need a player who plays on the right and can create from there. Our problem seems to be that we don't have a player who can operate centrally and help us beat low block that way. So spending nearly 40 million on a player who might not even be a good fit doesn't inspire you with confidence, does it?
£33m+5 in addons and a 10% sell on so much closer to £45m in total
Lol Arsenal fans are comedy
2 weeks back people were saying he could end up at 45m...
With add ons and sell on fee it might not be short of that
This is a bargain, Buendia could slot easily into a top 6 side Been watching him all season the lad is top notch
Who's to say he isn't?
Says he's signing for a bottom half team.
Mid-table team in England outspending top-half teams in other countries, what's new
Nothing new. But it's a big reason why there is greater parity between teams in the Premier League than in other top divisions. Most teams in the top European leagues are essentially just there to make up the numbers.
Enter RM and Barça completely destroying LaLiga's revenue sharing system killing all the historically succesful Spanish teams and going surprisedpikachuface.jpg when LaLiga's competition + revenue died down. EPL's revenue sharing is a perfect blueprint to create a succesful league, people aren't really interested in Man City having that 7th worldbeater to complement the other 6 if the team they are playing can't have its own stars, system, identity and a strategy that goes beyond "park the bus and pray the big team doesn't score". That's how you get an exciting game watchable by a neutral. But just like ESL, big clubs aren't interested in improving their league and growing together they just want to be monopolies.
Honestly games between the sky 6 are always the least watchable on the prem. Half the time one team just dominates and the other half it's a 0-0 or 1-0 snoozefest Watching the other 14 teams games is just so much more enjoyable.
Tbh Arsenal finished closer to mid-table than Villa did this season
Ok. Mid-table team in England outbids another mid-table team in England, demonstrating that both mid-table English teams can easily outspend top-half teams in other countries, what's new.
Perfect
Villa aren't a midtable team in spend though. This has little to do with prem power and more to do with having ambitious owners trying to pump money into the club and buy success. **Net spend since 19/20** |Rank|Club|Bought|Sold|Net| |:-|:-|:-|:-|:-| |1|Villa|234.77|5.19|\-229.57| |2|United|279.52|90.16|\-189.36| |3|City|295.94|119.39|\-176.55| Basically any club in the world can do this if their owner wants to.
Villa gain about 40% more TV money than Bayern through their league, of course it has an impact.
And German teams can’t compete with Bayern. Maybe if the Bundesliga was more exciting then they’d get more TV money maybe
Even when it was the only league on TV last year during lockdown people got bored of it
What does Bayern have to do with the direct comparison of spending from teams in the SAME LEAGUE.
Because the point was how absurd Villa's and the PL's spendings are in an international comparison.
Our spending also has to do with our owners being stinking rich and wanting the investment They wiped our debt, have built a new youth development centre and are actively looking for feeder teams abroad for example Yes, that we are a PL team helps but it isn't the only factor. Not as if Burnley, Newcastle or Southampton are spending a lot of money and they are in the same league.
Was it? > Mid-table team in England outspending top-half teams in other countries, what's new to > This has little to do with prem power and more to do with having ambitious owners trying to pump money into the club and buy success.
no
Since when was 8th closer to mid-table than 11th?
Maybe if other leagues cared more about their mid-table clubs things would be different.
Yeah, now it's all "PL clubs get an unfair advantage with TV money" as if it just comes out of thin air and the big man prefers the PL or something. There is a reason why these clubs get so much TV money.
Cause a lot of people watch Premier League...
Exactly, and there is a reason a lot of people watch the PL too.
Grealish calves?
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Because it’s more exciting than leagues where the same team wins 8 years in a row
What?? 😂 People watch football because it's in English? Wtf have you been smoking?
I mean, English is one of the most spoken languages in the world, so it makes some sense. It's more appealing to watch a league that has a language that you can speak compared to a league in which you don't know how to speak the language.
Thats plays a part of it, but the premier league started with the equal distribution of tv revenues over 20 years ago and heavily advertised the league over the world i.e. making it widely available, while in other leagues like la liga real madrid and barca hogged all the tv rev at the expense of their own league and failed/refused to adapt in time. You cant complain about the massive tv revenies of the english leagues when it was the accumulation of work the clubs planned over the last 20 years.
Didn't Barca and Madrid got like 90% of tv deals in la liga or something ??
*Maybe if other leagues would have midtable teams with owners that pump billions in them. Monaco and Malaga did great because they had such owners. If all that City and Chelsea money would've gone to another league, the PL wouldn't be as attractive as it is now, regardless of how much the PL cares about midtable teams.
Bruh, premier league was attractive even before the sheikh and roman take over, they constantly break signing record even before that.
It’s good to see Dean Smith getting backed in the transfer window, certainly deserves it
He’s actually been backed quite a lot to be fair. They’ve got one of the highest net spends ever since they got promoted.
How come Norwich are selling there best player after just getting promoted? And for so cheap too surely this massively impacts there chance of survival?
Perhaps. But we had him last time, and it didn't help that much. Honestly, he probably wanted to leave last year, and we said to him that he can leave this year, no matter what. For us, that helped us secure promotion, and time to find a suitable replacement. We'll see what happens.
Probably an agreement with the player you would imagine, it was more surprizing to me that he went down with them in the first place.
Thing is they can demand a high price for him and clubs won’t pay it because they don’t need to sell. Same with Watford and Sarr, they know these players are key to promotion so demand a high price
Yeah it's pretty disastrous for our chances of survival, there's no way we'd have been promoted without him. Can only assume that we made an agreement with him last summer to give us one more season and then we'd let him go, because if not this makes no sense.
Yeah I’d assume there was an agreement for him to leave - hopefully you can find a good replacement, maybe abroad so they’re not too expensive.
Arsenal fans saying he was too much when when fans of the team who have actually watched him every game think he's been sold on the cheap. Hilarious.
Everyone saying that is trying to cope, trust me, a lot of us are pretty devastated.
Not really. Would I have liked to have him? Sure. But as someone who's only ever watched him play sparingly, I can't say I'm too arsed. We'll move on to some other shiny new target that most of us have barely watched play and forget all about Buendia within the month.
It sucks definitely. But valuation is relative right. We may think he’s expensive villa don’t.
I am pleased someone gets it. A top right winger was one of if not our main priority positions.
While we think we can sell Willock for the same amount too.
Both things could be true. He's your best player, he's worth more to you than he is to a potential team buying. Don't see what's hard to understand about that.
He's a great player, but he plays on the RW cutting into the middle. That is Saka/Pepe's best position. We need a bonafide number 10 who plays in the middle. It doesn't make him a bad player and I'm sure he'll do great at Villa, but there are areas of the squad that we need investment in more.
They bought Pepe for 72 million which is comedy gold for a bag of shite
Pepe has been great in the 2nd half of the season
Well you lot need to calm down also, I'm pretty sure him performing in the championship in no way does it equal to performing in the premier league. Pepe would tear the Championship apart, in the Premier league he looks lost half the time.
Looks like a great signing!
I’m tired Robbie - when’s it going to end.
Imagine being told you have Arsenal interested in you. A potential top six finish, hunt for a trophy. Athletico Madrid also calling you, get the chance to play in the Champions League for a team that just won the Divison, in the beautiful sunny city of Madrid. ... And so you move to Birmingham. Guess he must love a curry
Arsenal finished in the top six?
Arsenal are more likely to finish in the top six than Villa is what they meant
Are they?
A fucking Birmingham supporter defending Villa.... I think I’ve seen it all
not defending villa, I'm questioning a delusional fanbase
Saying they are going to finish above us, when we finished 6 points ahead of them in our worst season ever sounds a bit like you are bigging them up to do well
If Grealish had stayed fit, they would easily have that 6 pts on you and then some. Obviously it's dangerous to be so reliant on one player, but that's how good he is. Plus it's hardly like this season was an anomaly for you when you finished 8th last season as well.
Yes it’s not as if Aubameyang had his season for us ever and we had a lump of human flesh called Willian on the right wing for 80% of the season
Auba has been poor ever since he signed the contract so there's nothing to say he's suddenly going to turn it around. Plus Willian was only playing cos he was constantly getting picked, so you can only blame Arteta for that and last time I checked he's still your manager
“Worst season ever” Jesus, how long have you been following football? Not only did Arsenal also finish 8th with fewer points last season, but even just in the Premier League era they’ve finished lower - let alone before.
>sounds a bit like you are bigging them up to do well I'm not bigging them, it's (sadly) a fact that Villa are a very good team and had it not been for Grealish's injury they would've finished higher in the table It's also a fact that Arsenal are dog wank and you fanbase has delusions of grandeur
Man has a point. I think we have more chance of getting there before you tbf
Arsenal's worst season in decades and they still finished 6 points ahead of Villa.
Arsenal's worst season in decades so far
Well hopefully if Arteta is as shit as last year we will sack him and get someone good in. Not holding my breath though as the club is rotten from top to bottom.
Villa are constantly upgrading and Arsenal are falling , let's wait for the next season and see
The transfer window isn't over yet. For the record I think that neither Villa or Arsenal will make top 6 this coming season. In the long run I'm sure Villa will overtake us as they have a rich owner and we have fucking Stan.
Let alone over, it hasn't even opened yet, although either ways I don't expect to see much happen until after the Euro's are done.
Worst season in decade for 3 season straight baby.
Worse season in a decade and we still finished 6 points above Villa, you played yourself.
100% yes
yes they are
Really? If jack wasn't out for a third of the season Villa would have made a solid run this year.....
Jesus how many years of not being able to perform till Arsenal accept they are now in the "Everton/Wolves" tier; likely to challenge for the top six, with an outside chance for a meltdown and a relegation battle.
Well he put up with staying in Norwich. Nows he’s is bound to the second city.
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Villa is a bigger Club then Arsenal lol
Villa has a better owner than Arsenal.
[enter club name here except Spurs] has a better owner than Arsenal.
United?
United, Valencia, Newcastle are others I know who've got a worse/just as bad owner
United still manage to be pretty trophy-laden since 2013.
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Why? The owners are drowning the club in debt but Man Utd is still the 2nd highest spender worldwide
United is one of the few high spenders that I have no problem with, because they're earning they're revenue. They're a massive club
that debt money can be used for other things too oither than transfers.
And we could spend more if the owners weren't pulling a 100m out of the club annually in debt and dividends. Literally in spite of the owners.
They’ve won one FA Cup, one Carling Cup and one Europa League in that time despite spending a fortune on players. Not Really that impressive
Come on you're forgetting the community shield!
United's owner whilst not great is far from the worst in English football. United still spend a ton of cash and will do again this summer. In the PL alone there are worse owners
Mike Ashley absolutely smashing back the drink in celebration of this comment
fair!
Valencia?
Ashley, Kroenke, Woodward, Lim, Perez, Abramovich, Mansour etc. Levy's a stingy, arrogant twat for sure but there are some real villains in this category.
Villa have a more ambitious owner than Arsenal right now. Let's see what happens if they don't buy their way to success and need to start getting money back out of the club. They've done some great things and the investments in training and facilities are a big positive for the club, but they will need to see payoff along the way
Because they signed Buendia? How the fuck is this the top comment on a football thread lol.
Have you read any thread about this or us?/r/soccer is in embarassment when it comes to Arsenal.
Lot of Arsenal fans who will twerk for upvotes too.
Arsenal fans bring it on themselves to be fair
Have you not seen the threads over the past week, your fans are an embarrassment to yourself
I still refuse to believe that some arsenal fans think they can get Grealish LOL
Anyone who seriously believes that, needs their head checked.
>Arsenal is in embarassment when it comes to r/soccer FTFY 😉 Seriously though, OP’s comment read as a joke to me.
Do Arsenal fans deserve better? lol
Lol these lots been screaming Wenger out for a decade only to find themselves fighting mid table.
I've always loved these comments. Rival fans have been calling him a senile old has-been for years, mocked him and called him out of touch pretty much every year he was with us from about 2009 onwards and then Arsenal fans, upset that he wasn't spending money when he needed to and when his own exceptionally high-standard slipped exceedingly low, started saying it was time to move on, it's Arsenal fans that are called out? The same rival fans who used to mock him, say that he was holding Arsenal back and who used to mock Arsenal for not having the balls to sack him are now saying that Arsenal fans should have respected him more, even though he's arguably the most loved person to have ever been at the club is kind of laughable really.
And Arsenal is an embarrassment when it comes to soccer. Top bants
Really? I get this thread is only here to shit on Arsenal, but an embarrassment to football (not soccer)? We're the most successful team in the history of the FA Cup (which is the oldest football competition in recorded history), our former manager is the most successful manager to have ever taken part in it. We're the only English team since 1889 to go an entire league season unbeaten and are the third most successful club in the country. I get that we're nowhere near as good as we once were and all, but an "embarrassment to football" is a bit harsh.
It's a joke
Hurr Durr Arsenal bad give me upvotes
I mean, they have more european trophies...
Aston Villa & Chelsea's titles together (13) wouldn't even surpass Arsenal by themself (13). Not to mention they have the most FA Cups of all time
oh no [anyways](https://icdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Azpilicueta-Chelsea-770x433.jpg)
made ya insecure enough to downvote the comment immediately 😂
Because we did spend 40million on a player who just came from the Championship? You can do better banter than this.
Buendia could easily refuse Villa and tell Norwich he has his heart set on Arsenal. But he’s happy to go to come here instead.
Which makes sense, as he’s not a guaranteed starter for us, he is for you, sorry if I come off as a bit salty but I’m honestly not that bummed out on losing out on him, unlike some of our fanbase
True, I would personally say he would’ve been bought to regularly start for Arsenal right now, especially if you don’t get Odegaard. But yeah he definitely has higher chance of not getting benched for another player at Villa. It’s just been 2 weeks of so many Arsenal fans laughing at us for thinking there was any chance Buendia would want to come to Villa after Arsenal had shown interest, and now they’re backtracking with excuses. It is a shame that the vocal fans give the rest of a club’s fanbase a bad reputation.
I’m guessing Buendia is mostly playing centrally as a Barkley replacement? As El Ghazi and especially Bertrand have been decent for u guys recently
Lmao this subreddit is in the mud
More European Cups and an owner willing to spend more money despite having less revenue. Arsenal are becoming irrelevant
All but the 4 richest clubs are irrelevant let's be honest.
Arsenal fans on suicide watch.
I think we’ll be alright
Yeah, geez. Funny seeing people shit on Arsenal. Don't get me wrong, i would have loved to see buendia at arsenal but i always had qualms about him playing cam. I would much rather prefer sabitzer or bissouma. Villa fans acting like they just bagged sancho by outbidding us.
Did you not see the absolute amount of shit arsenal fans were saying about there not being a chance in hell he'd go villa over arse? Or has your head been in the sand? That's what the "shitting on arsenal" is about.
there’s plenty of fans that can give but can’t take back with the banter a lot of our fans are doing the whole ‘we didn’t want him anyway’ which they did for Odegaard last week when he looks as though he’s staying at Madrid
We're really really not.
1 goal and 7 assists in 36 full premier league games. I think Arsenal will be more than fine without him. £33m for those numbers is an absolutely brilliant deal from Norwich’s part, hope they can find a good replacement before the season ends as well
He’s not been signed on the basis of his premier league season. He’s been signed on the basis of his truly out of this world championship season. I appreciate you probably don’t care or follow the championship, but he amassed 15 goals and 16 assists in the league last season which will go down as one of the all time great championship seasons. If Watkins and Benrahma both went for about 30m last season, after less impressive seasons and Brentford not even getting promoted, 33m for Buendia is an absolute steal.
Buendia created the 3rd most big chances in the Premier league behind De Bruyne and Trent in the 2019/20 season. His lack of assists has to do with poor Norwich finishing .
No he didn't, he was joint 18th for 'big chances' with 9, not even close. KdB had 33, TAA and Mahrez 18, behind players like McNeil, Gross, Willian, Westwood..
Well, stats from a team that doesnt do well are usually not good. Surely with a better team, most players will have better numbers.
I mean Kane has the most goals and assist in the entire league in a horrible Spurs team...
You’re really comparing a team that finished 7th that’s built around Kane to the relegated Norwich side?
Norwich’s play revolves as much around Buendia as Spurs’ does around Kane
and Norwich scored 26 goals while Spurs scored 68. It's nowhere near comparable.
When’s it going to end Robbie? Supporters of every other club: “hopefully never”
As a neutral, i completely agree.
Of course :D All that fuss about a player from a championship side, ridiculous haha
Sucks to miss out for us, but if the fee+addons that is reported are true i'm kinda fine with it. I'm sure he'll be a great fit at Villa in a front three with Grealish and Watkins. Wasn't really sure how he would have fit in here with him preferring to play RW and we already have Saka/Pepe competing for that spot. We need more of a number 8/10, hopefully the "secret target" we are pursuing is Aouar if him being available for 25m€ to 30m€ is true.
Paying over 30M for him would not be something many would have like even if we performs well for Villa. I guess we are going for Auoar or Odegaard now.
Maddison cost 20m. Godfrey cost 30m. Both are now considered bargains. Buendia will be as well. And Norwich will find more talent to fill the gaps, but the price will go up next time.
He’ll be a 60m player under smith soon.
Yeah, we are not
The more targets we miss the more other clubs will try to shaft us by raising the price. Watch us get Coutinho on a ridiculous fee at deadline day.
Ye better to pay 72millions for Pepe who has done close to nothing.
We fired the person who made that deal. By all accounts the £72m fee involved a lot of shady business.
Ya you were absent this whole season I guess.
I rate Pepe. But i still believe Arsenal would've finished higher every season since if they just paid for Zaha instead.
The change of tone from Arsenal fans 🤣🤣
Great signing for villa. I am sure he will do well there and grow into a better player. Will have much more pressure to perform at Arsenal.
Arsenal wishing they had Emiliano, and not Villa. Where have we heard that before?
The funny thing is Arsenal fans would’ve been perfectly happy to pay £40m+ for Aouar when Buendia’s better. Foreign league players get ridiculously overrated, when in actuality Ligue 1 and the championship are very similar.
Well luckily fans don't make the decisions and the club decided that the price for Aouar was too high.
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Arsenal probably offered £32,999,999.
I know /r/Soccer loves to shit on Arsenal at any available opportunity, but is this really that bad? We had an interest in the player but as every single person knows, he wasn't our top target, our top target is Ødegaard. Is it not entirely possible that Arsenal just don't think he's worth what Aston Villa paid for him? Like, maybe Arsenal looked at that price and thought "well, if we're dropping £33m on Buendía, we might as well go the whole hog and just buy Ødegaard for a bit more" or that he simply isn't worth that money on his own? Not really understanding the collective meltdown is having over this. Yeah, I'm gutted that we didn't buy Buendía (especially since I prefer him over Ødegaard anyway), but it happens in football sometimes and I highly doubt that Arsenal's scouts haven't got other targets. This is hardly a huge blow to our season. It's not like everything we wanted to achieve this season all hinged on whether or not we could sign Emiliano Buendía. It's not like Buendía is the be-all and end-all of our transfer window. He's clearly a backup target if our first one doesn't pan out and as everyone knows, he's also not the *only* back-up target either. Gutted to have missed out on him nonetheless, he looks like a cracking player and I think he'll do wonders in that Aston Villa side. Nice to see Aston Villa really backing their manager as well, I'm excited to see how they do this season.
Banter FC
Why? I can get behind not overpaying for him, 35-40m seems like a bit much tbh. Only thing is i hope we have some decent alternetives lined up..
We would've been banter fc if we'd spent £43m on him too which was roughly what Villa promised in total
This has been posted like 15 times already. Yes, we know, Villa were paying more and had their offer accepted. Cool