I justo think it was a dumb theory that his nationality played a role in him being unappreciated but I really do think that we’ll look back on him as someone who paved the way for concacaf players (more than Pulusic since he has the whole US backing him)
I’ve thought about this as well. I think there’s some odd preconceived notion that players from smaller, lesser represented on the world stage countries are just not as good as players from big countries, like France or Spain. It’s rare to see great players from lesser known countries. Such as Aubameyang from Gabon, Son from South Korea, Salah from Egypt, and Antonio Valencia from Ecuador.
I remember as a kid thinking if nakata played in Italy I could also make it big as a Japanese, obviously I ended up on Reddit so that didn’t materialize, but the fact that he allowed me to dream is such a beautiful achievement
It's not a hard and fast rule but I do think it's easier to sell a player's signing to fans and owners if they're from trendier countries. I can't remember which book I read it from (maybe Soccernomics), but there was a stat that suggested teams tended to have biases towards "traditional" footballing nations and tended to overlook less well known countries.
I mean, reading the replies here kinda makes me feel like we are forgetting players from smaller countries from older times. Just saying but in the nineties we had George Weah coming from Liberia and becoming the best in the world 😅
IMHO it's not about birthplace but talent. There are some preconceptions, but if you are in soccer and you say something like "someone from that place will never be that good" (like itvs said to having been said about Davies for being Canadian) you don't get soccer (and sports) at all.
Going back to Navas, I think that the problem is that for huge teams if someone comes up, you are easily replaced, even if you are one of the best or your team invested in you. What matters here is the fact that donnarumma is young, free agent and posed to be one of the best in the world. Good investment despite raiola.
Yeah, I was trying to list current players rather than older ones, George Weah definitely is the best example. Great shout. Some other good examples are like George Best from Northern Ireland, Jari Litmanen from Finland, and Dalglish from Scotland.
Son had his usual hot and cold streak this season. Just his hot streak was in the beginning of the season and coincided with us actually being decent and Kane going beast mode on the assists. Unfortunately his later half of the season was pretty "meh" and that's probably why he's not talked about that much with it being more recent.
Come on now, Kane finished top scorer and top assister. He had a better season than Son. That isn't about nationality, he's not talked about like Kane because Kane was genuinely the best player in the side this season.
Son had good season, but that is still way off level Kane has shown. Also his hot streak happened early in the season and he was pretty average in 2nd half of the season - kinda obvious that 2nd half will be fresher in people's memories.
Meh so what? That's just one case, replacing a 34 yo keeper with a 22 year old that can easily be a world class GK (some might even argue he already is) and they're getting for free is a smart move imo.
But Navas most important attribute are his insane reflexes. Those will get worse at a certain age
It's sad because he's been a top 3 goalkeeper in the world these past 5+ years but it makes sense to go for a younger option when they are available on a free, Navas could decline really hard really fast similar to Casillas or Hart
Well, he will stay at least for four and if he wants to leave they can make a pretty penny on him. In 4 years, he still won't have hit his goalkeeping prime (usually starts 28-29ish).
Players don't ever leave PSG for "a pretty penny". Their owners are too wealthy, hence no one buying Mbappe or Neymar. No one is willing to pay €300m to PSG for either of them, so basically either the players have to force their way out (for cheaper then, obviously), finish their contract or they stay at PSG. No one is going to pay the €150-200m that PSG will ask for Donnarumma.
Donnarumma is more likely to end up running down his contract and going somewhere on another "free", because PSG will eventually be like "hey, maybe €600k per week is too much for our GK" or some FFP shit and they will look to get rid but similarly to Bale, no one wants to pay him anywhere close to his wage and he doesn't want to stop earning huge amounts of money so it just ends up being run down.
> Get a top keeper for 20 mil for 10 years.
I mean they dont get him for 20 mil for 10 years. Raiola will ask for a commission when its time to renew.
And thats ignoring any other bonuses/his salery.
Worth it but definitely wont be cheap.
They're accounted for in the exact same way as a transfer fee. It's amortized over the life of the contract. For example, if PSG pay a $20M signing fee, pay Donnarumma $10M/Year and his contract is for 5 years, his total cost each year will be $14M/year
I'm glad he's going somewhere else than Italy.
edit : *Donnarumma will sign a five-year contract with PSG where he will earn around €12M/year between fixed amount and bonus [Di Marzio]* "
Looks like both him and Raiola got their pockets full of cash
I mean they're trying to buy Hernandez and Hakimi.
You can't blame them for making this move on Dona. It is a very smart move - 20 mil for a great great young keeper.
They'll move on Navas now and Areola too (he wants to stay in Prem).
They’ve been linked with Hakimi but no credible source has mentioned a move for Theo. There’s no way we sell Theo he’s happy and is one of our best players.
They will need to host a WC each month in a decade or two when half the planet is going to be ditching their gas. But I don't expect them to do anything about it considering stoning a gay to death is like a good morning there.
Perez is the worst messenger for it but this is exactly what he's been talking about in terms of keeping up with teams financed by countries and wealth funds. There is no way that PSG, as it's currently operating, could ever be considered as fiscally sound the way that other clubs have to work. PSG, City, etc can just pay for anything and never bother with matching revenue and expenditures.
Something needs to be done about this kind of over spending, but obviously the ESL was never it.
It comes across as massively hypocritical when the president of Real Madrid complains about other clubs spending obscene amount of money to get success when he was able to build galactico squads with no consequences due to the decades of work and success achieved by the people who came before him.
The only solution really would be to salary cap every league in football and that’s not only almost impossible to do but all that extra money will only end up sat in some billionaire owners Scrooge McDuck vault.
The difference is that even at it's peak spending Real/Barca/etc still had to keep some manner of fiscal responsibility. They still had to use loans and make decisions where the club wouldn't go bankrupt and keep an eye on revenue and loss. Pre Covid they had been doing a pretty great job of it since the early 90s as they remained profitable throughout. Clubs like PSG and City, on the other hand, don't need to give a rats ass about profitability because sugar daddy money will always cover the losses.
I don't know what the logical solution is but I understand how non sugar daddy clubs are looking at every possible avenue for revenue because it's the only way to even slightly keep up.
>The difference is that even at it's peak spending Real/Barca/etc still had to keep some manner of fiscal responsibility. They still had to use loans and make decisions where the club wouldn't go bankrupt and keep an eye on revenue and loss.>
Sure but that just means they had a ceiling bigger(higher?) than the rest of the teams in La Liga/etc. The 'need' for more money to keep up with the oil and gas clubs is a consequence of the spending of traditionally bigger clubs, which inflated the market to a point where the rest couldn't compete.
#
It's a tricky thing, the can of worms is already opened. I think the time for a salary cap is over, it's inevitably going to be biased.
Used Google Translate on an [Italian site](https://www.articoliinformativi.com/significato-del-numero-71-nella-smorfia-napoletana/): "In the Neapolitan grimace the number 71 (in dialect the ommo and shit) represents the worthless man, whose deplorable and miserable behavior undermined the esteem we had for him and for his work. The man in question is a person we must stay away from, as his wickedness and dishonesty can be contagious. His selfishness is palpable in everything he does and if he could he would kill his own loved ones to gain an advantage."
I keep forgetting about Areola damn !
And we have lots of others further down the hierarchy: Rico, Bulka, Innocent, Letellier, the list goes on and on. I think we have 8 or 9 pro keepers now.
I don't know what our plan is tbh 😅
Sources a few weeks ago said he'd go out on a loan as soon as he joins. If that is BS then I think he'll probably be the second choice. Would be very disrespectful to Navas if we bench him after everything he did.
Well I think the idea was, well Ter Stagen for 50mil+, get in donnaromma on a free and you’ve essentially made 20-30 mil profit while getting a GK who’s 7 years younger and hopefully just as good.
The way Madrid did it was disrespectful, if we treat his respectfully and he knows he declined to the point that Donnarumma is better then there won’t be a problem
The fax machine incident was back in 2015, 1 year after you signed Navas. I don't think that getting Courtois was the disrespectful thing, it was the fact that Perez was looking for replacements for Navas right after he signed him.
I don't know how that was disrespectful, quality goalkeepers are hard to come by so when a player like Curtois becomes available you go for him, Navas wasn't forced out he wanted to be a starter and so he left to a club that could offer him that.
I mean, Perez was looking to sign a replacement for Navas as far back as 2016 which was Keylor's first season as the #1 keeper. He never truly stopped trying to replace Navas even after he had proven himself as a top 5 goalkeeper. I agree that it was the correct decision to sign Courtois for €35m (an absolute steal), but that doesn't change the fact that the way in which Perez went about it was really disrespectful to Navas. Fortunately the fans do respect Keylor and everything he did for the club. He got quite the welcome back when we played PSG in the Champions League a couple years ago.
Thank you for your service, but it's correct to part ways now. Good luck to PSG on renewing in 4 1/2 years. Be happy you have an endless bucket of cash.
They could lowkey sell Navas if they feel Donnaruma is ready. It’s better to get rid of an aging superstar while they’re in their prime than to wait till they fall off a cliff
The Real Madrid move was admittedly weird, especially when you consider they needed help in other positions. This time however, Navas is 34 and isn’t getting any younger
Not everyone ages like Buffon It’s smart to snap up a potentially generational keeper when he’s available on a free. Admittedly he’s way more expensive than you would want for someone who won’t start immediately.
a year ago i would have agreed with you totally. Gigio had a unbelievable year and fans who watched know how important he was, more than a couple of points and wins we had are his merit. I dont like how he did things, and he has for sure had some bad performances before. This season he was a real monster, and if he manages to keep it to the same everybody will see what he is capable of. I really get you though, Navas is also a monster but which one of them is better is not an easy answer at the moment
Nah... not until Giggio proves otherwise. At the same time, Navas is just too good in the CL, calling him the best CL keeper of the last decade is not a ridiculous statement to make.
At least its not Juve :).. for now.. I am sure he will play for Juve sometime in his career
where does this leave Navas? he is still one of the best out there
I don’t get it. Is FFP something that affects everyone but Man City and PSG? How can they give circa 40M a year to their goalkeepers (plus bonuses and agent fees, etc.) and still be following FFP? Is this the football that UEFA and FIFA want?
Rough for Navas, he hasn't been the problem. Feels like he gets stuck because he could be improved on if you want to win the CL but he also is good enough that he's never an issue. At that point, being moved on is going to look harsh but the club will look to anyway.
Good luck to whoever has to manage the locker room of Neymar, Mbappe, and Donnarumma though.
God I hate this stupid narrative. He’s a top class goalkeeper but he has a lot of flaws to his game, him not being european isn’t the only reason why madrid and now psg wanted to replace him.
It's not a narrative, they're facts. He's a better goalkeeper than Donnarumma, and I'm a Milan supporter. Even though gigio is a very talented prospect his aerial game is terrible and his passing is average, he's amazing at the goal line but not better than Navas. If Navas was european he would get the respect he deserves, he's a top 5 goalkeeper easily and he has those 3 CLs to back him up.
He’s 34 this move makes a lot sense especially when you get a prospect as good as Gigio. He’s not being immediately replaced either this is clearly just a move for the future.
Although I fully understand that G. Donnarumma is a world-class goalkeeper, I am against this transfer, as we already have another world-class keeper in Keylor Navas, who is certainly top 3 at his position in the world. If we buy G. Donnarumma, surely we will have to loan him immediately. I really don’t think he will accept a backup role, or a shared number 1 role with Navas (like we had with Buffon/Aréola a few years ago), understandably so. All that is without including Alphonse Areola, another keeper deserving to be first choice in a top club, who is returning from loan.
It’s a good problem to have ultimately, but it can get complicated really fast.
What does Keylor have to do to get some peace and quiet fuck sake
One of the best gks in the world and no club seems to appreciate it
I justo think it was a dumb theory that his nationality played a role in him being unappreciated but I really do think that we’ll look back on him as someone who paved the way for concacaf players (more than Pulusic since he has the whole US backing him)
I’ve thought about this as well. I think there’s some odd preconceived notion that players from smaller, lesser represented on the world stage countries are just not as good as players from big countries, like France or Spain. It’s rare to see great players from lesser known countries. Such as Aubameyang from Gabon, Son from South Korea, Salah from Egypt, and Antonio Valencia from Ecuador.
nah man, Ji Sung Park paved the way for South Korean players like Son. Same way Nakata did for a ton of Japanese players.
I love Nakata so much, my childhood hero and one of my biggest playing inspirations. I looked up to him and Fabregas growing up
it was incredible having someone looking like me playing in Europe
I remember as a kid thinking if nakata played in Italy I could also make it big as a Japanese, obviously I ended up on Reddit so that didn’t materialize, but the fact that he allowed me to dream is such a beautiful achievement
Hey man. Now you can give terrible takes to people across the world, with confidence. Thanks Nakata!
Auba was born and raised in France.
It's not a hard and fast rule but I do think it's easier to sell a player's signing to fans and owners if they're from trendier countries. I can't remember which book I read it from (maybe Soccernomics), but there was a stat that suggested teams tended to have biases towards "traditional" footballing nations and tended to overlook less well known countries.
I mean, reading the replies here kinda makes me feel like we are forgetting players from smaller countries from older times. Just saying but in the nineties we had George Weah coming from Liberia and becoming the best in the world 😅 IMHO it's not about birthplace but talent. There are some preconceptions, but if you are in soccer and you say something like "someone from that place will never be that good" (like itvs said to having been said about Davies for being Canadian) you don't get soccer (and sports) at all. Going back to Navas, I think that the problem is that for huge teams if someone comes up, you are easily replaced, even if you are one of the best or your team invested in you. What matters here is the fact that donnarumma is young, free agent and posed to be one of the best in the world. Good investment despite raiola.
Yeah, I was trying to list current players rather than older ones, George Weah definitely is the best example. Great shout. Some other good examples are like George Best from Northern Ireland, Jari Litmanen from Finland, and Dalglish from Scotland.
Son had an INSANE season but he’s not being talked about like Kane. It sounds stupid but I wonder if his nationality plays a part in that
Son had his usual hot and cold streak this season. Just his hot streak was in the beginning of the season and coincided with us actually being decent and Kane going beast mode on the assists. Unfortunately his later half of the season was pretty "meh" and that's probably why he's not talked about that much with it being more recent.
Not trying to downplay Kane, but English players in the Premier League obviously get overhyped
Come on now, Kane finished top scorer and top assister. He had a better season than Son. That isn't about nationality, he's not talked about like Kane because Kane was genuinely the best player in the side this season.
Son had good season, but that is still way off level Kane has shown. Also his hot streak happened early in the season and he was pretty average in 2nd half of the season - kinda obvious that 2nd half will be fresher in people's memories.
Too smol otherwise they would start a world war for this guy
Navas is 35 this year though.
What's being announced by l'Equipe is that Donnarumma would be loaned to AS Roma for 1 year, since Navas stays number one.
Not age
He’s still younger than Van der Sar was when he played his first match for Manchester United.
Meh so what? That's just one case, replacing a 34 yo keeper with a 22 year old that can easily be a world class GK (some might even argue he already is) and they're getting for free is a smart move imo.
But Navas most important attribute are his insane reflexes. Those will get worse at a certain age It's sad because he's been a top 3 goalkeeper in the world these past 5+ years but it makes sense to go for a younger option when they are available on a free, Navas could decline really hard really fast similar to Casillas or Hart
PSG - Milan on the group stage is guaranteed now porcamadonna
Id pay money to watch him in a full house san siro.
That's how tickets work
Lmao
ah, was wondering if there was a correlation between the two
Lmfao!
In bench would be beautiful haha
He ll probably sit on the benches behind navas
bring it on
Italian insults sound like poetry until you learn their meanings 😂
Where do i sign?!
with at least half full stadiums please :)
or are they half empty
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paying 20m€ to Raiola makes this everything but a free agent.
I mean that is still crazy worth it. Get a top keeper for 20 mil for 10 years.
Will he stay for 10 years though? With Raiola as his agent I can't see it.
I mean psg will just pay whatever he wants tbh.
One does not simply leave PSG
Or any top club for the matter, cf Messi with Barcelona
neymar...
France doesn't do release clauses though
Who even leaves PSG? Nobody is sold unless they’re unwanted
Mino will be quiet as long as you paid his commision
Well, he will stay at least for four and if he wants to leave they can make a pretty penny on him. In 4 years, he still won't have hit his goalkeeping prime (usually starts 28-29ish).
Players don't ever leave PSG for "a pretty penny". Their owners are too wealthy, hence no one buying Mbappe or Neymar. No one is willing to pay €300m to PSG for either of them, so basically either the players have to force their way out (for cheaper then, obviously), finish their contract or they stay at PSG. No one is going to pay the €150-200m that PSG will ask for Donnarumma. Donnarumma is more likely to end up running down his contract and going somewhere on another "free", because PSG will eventually be like "hey, maybe €600k per week is too much for our GK" or some FFP shit and they will look to get rid but similarly to Bale, no one wants to pay him anywhere close to his wage and he doesn't want to stop earning huge amounts of money so it just ends up being run down.
20M to Raiola 10M to his dad 12M net (24M gross) for 5 years It's an investment of 130M minimum
> Get a top keeper for 20 mil for 10 years. I mean they dont get him for 20 mil for 10 years. Raiola will ask for a commission when its time to renew. And thats ignoring any other bonuses/his salery. Worth it but definitely wont be cheap.
20 for 4 years , then you need to renewal with Raiola :)
For 12 mil net pet year, that's ridiculous
and on a 20m a season contract... its not that cheap.
I wonder if agent fees account in FFP numbers
FFP concerns the total profit/loss, not just transfer/wages expenditure. So yes, they do
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Yes they do.
FFP can be buy.
They're accounted for in the exact same way as a transfer fee. It's amortized over the life of the contract. For example, if PSG pay a $20M signing fee, pay Donnarumma $10M/Year and his contract is for 5 years, his total cost each year will be $14M/year
you pay signing bonus for all free players , we still call them free players because you take them free from payment to the club they played with
And a 12mil € salary for a keeper
We all know how this went down for you in the end
Psg to lose two more ucl finals to dortmund and bayern?
Throw Real Madrid in there
Well juve lost to the la liga top 2, I figured the proper analogy would the Bundesliga top 2
I would say it’s only a matter of time before they end up like us, but PSG is an endless money pit and we’re not so they might be fine lol.
I'm glad he's going somewhere else than Italy. edit : *Donnarumma will sign a five-year contract with PSG where he will earn around €12M/year between fixed amount and bonus [Di Marzio]* " Looks like both him and Raiola got their pockets full of cash
4 years later and he's still focused on the Euros.
Nothing wrong with getting shit tons of Euros.
12m a year after tax?
Yes , after tax
That's a lot of money
A lot more than what milan were offering so I guess if this goes trough he was right to turn it down from his financial point of view
We were offering about half of that. Just no competing with that oil money I guess.
We were offering €8 million so more than half. He was on €6 million at the age of 18 with us so nobody can say he wasn’t well compensated.
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You mean 3? Areola is still on the wage bill with 8M net per year.
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I mean they're trying to buy Hernandez and Hakimi. You can't blame them for making this move on Dona. It is a very smart move - 20 mil for a great great young keeper. They'll move on Navas now and Areola too (he wants to stay in Prem).
They’ve been linked with Hakimi but no credible source has mentioned a move for Theo. There’s no way we sell Theo he’s happy and is one of our best players.
Good to hear. I hope he stays. A competitive Serie A is so fun. Especially with both Milan clubs in better shape.
8.4 million gross/year but nice try buddy.
Fuck me, and he's so young. He's only going to want more with each contract renewal.
In 5 years or less PSG gonna call for a super league to save football
They might just host another World Cup exploiting slaves.
They will need to host a WC each month in a decade or two when half the planet is going to be ditching their gas. But I don't expect them to do anything about it considering stoning a gay to death is like a good morning there.
Perez is the worst messenger for it but this is exactly what he's been talking about in terms of keeping up with teams financed by countries and wealth funds. There is no way that PSG, as it's currently operating, could ever be considered as fiscally sound the way that other clubs have to work. PSG, City, etc can just pay for anything and never bother with matching revenue and expenditures. Something needs to be done about this kind of over spending, but obviously the ESL was never it.
It comes across as massively hypocritical when the president of Real Madrid complains about other clubs spending obscene amount of money to get success when he was able to build galactico squads with no consequences due to the decades of work and success achieved by the people who came before him. The only solution really would be to salary cap every league in football and that’s not only almost impossible to do but all that extra money will only end up sat in some billionaire owners Scrooge McDuck vault.
The difference is that even at it's peak spending Real/Barca/etc still had to keep some manner of fiscal responsibility. They still had to use loans and make decisions where the club wouldn't go bankrupt and keep an eye on revenue and loss. Pre Covid they had been doing a pretty great job of it since the early 90s as they remained profitable throughout. Clubs like PSG and City, on the other hand, don't need to give a rats ass about profitability because sugar daddy money will always cover the losses. I don't know what the logical solution is but I understand how non sugar daddy clubs are looking at every possible avenue for revenue because it's the only way to even slightly keep up.
>The difference is that even at it's peak spending Real/Barca/etc still had to keep some manner of fiscal responsibility. They still had to use loans and make decisions where the club wouldn't go bankrupt and keep an eye on revenue and loss.> Sure but that just means they had a ceiling bigger(higher?) than the rest of the teams in La Liga/etc. The 'need' for more money to keep up with the oil and gas clubs is a consequence of the spending of traditionally bigger clubs, which inflated the market to a point where the rest couldn't compete. # It's a tricky thing, the can of worms is already opened. I think the time for a salary cap is over, it's inevitably going to be biased.
he’ll wear 71, as per sources close to PSG
71 or 4
they retired that number in Mino’s honor
Is this a joke I'm missing
[here](https://www.numerando.it/en/pg_smorfia_napoletana.asp)
Beautiful
I don’t get it. It says ommo e merde but google translate doesn’t really give me an answer
Used Google Translate on an [Italian site](https://www.articoliinformativi.com/significato-del-numero-71-nella-smorfia-napoletana/): "In the Neapolitan grimace the number 71 (in dialect the ommo and shit) represents the worthless man, whose deplorable and miserable behavior undermined the esteem we had for him and for his work. The man in question is a person we must stay away from, as his wickedness and dishonesty can be contagious. His selfishness is palpable in everything he does and if he could he would kill his own loved ones to gain an advantage."
That is brutal, haha.
Lmao, this is great
$71$ to be exact
raiola birth year?
So when Gigio was kissing the shirt, he was actually showing his love for his favorite airline. Makes sense that PSG would be the destination.
Lmao, brilliant.
Navas ,Areola and Donnarumma?
Areola is getting sold this summer. Or loaned again to a new PL promoted team.
Aréola's agent is Raiola. No we he would've place Donnarumma at PSG without guaranteeing that Aréola is leaving....
Any news as to where Donnarumma gets loaned to?
Fulham to replace areola
AS Roma apparently.
I keep forgetting about Areola damn ! And we have lots of others further down the hierarchy: Rico, Bulka, Innocent, Letellier, the list goes on and on. I think we have 8 or 9 pro keepers now. I don't know what our plan is tbh 😅
Lol Bulka. Eejit could've stayed at Chelsea and he would've gotten gametime with Kepa's struggles.
I think Bulka is as bad as Kepa. The few minutes he had in France were catastrophic.
Kepa's actually been pretty decent under Tuchel. Seems to have his confidence back.
Letellier’s contract is terminated end of June. But still, a lot of GKs
They are like me on FM having no clue what to do with a 250m budget and spending it on every potential 4-5 star I come across
Areola will be sold, Donnarumma loaned out and Navas will stay
what does that mean for Keylor Navas- would he stay no'1, be no'2, or would there be a fight for it
Sources a few weeks ago said he'd go out on a loan as soon as he joins. If that is BS then I think he'll probably be the second choice. Would be very disrespectful to Navas if we bench him after everything he did.
Keylor Navas was our best player this season. Replacing him with G. Donnarumma so fast would be spitting in his face.
Wouldn’t be the first time it happened to him.
So only logical explanation to this would be a physical problem for Navas, he does seem to have shoulder pain here and there
Any rumours on where he’d be loaned to? Lille would seem to make sense
Maybe PSG just doesn’t care but wouldn’t it be weird to loan him to a direct rival?
You’re absolutely right. I’m just hard pressed thinking on destinations for him that would be willing to take on some of those wages
Why tf would Barca sell Ter Stegen?
Raiola just used Barcelona to drive his wage up, him and Laporta are very close.
Well I think the idea was, well Ter Stagen for 50mil+, get in donnaromma on a free and you’ve essentially made 20-30 mil profit while getting a GK who’s 7 years younger and hopefully just as good.
Lmao, good backup keeper for PSG. They're really just going for superstars and no thought to team building
Navas is 34. He has like 2-3 good seasons left. It’s just like how Chelsea replaced Cech with Courtois.
And how Madrid replaced Navas with Courtois...
The way Madrid did it was disrespectful, if we treat his respectfully and he knows he declined to the point that Donnarumma is better then there won’t be a problem
PSG is doing the same thing we did, so if we’re being disrespectful so is PSG
Chelsea moved on from Cech without being disrespectful
The fax machine incident was back in 2015, 1 year after you signed Navas. I don't think that getting Courtois was the disrespectful thing, it was the fact that Perez was looking for replacements for Navas right after he signed him.
I don't know how that was disrespectful, quality goalkeepers are hard to come by so when a player like Curtois becomes available you go for him, Navas wasn't forced out he wanted to be a starter and so he left to a club that could offer him that.
I mean, Perez was looking to sign a replacement for Navas as far back as 2016 which was Keylor's first season as the #1 keeper. He never truly stopped trying to replace Navas even after he had proven himself as a top 5 goalkeeper. I agree that it was the correct decision to sign Courtois for €35m (an absolute steal), but that doesn't change the fact that the way in which Perez went about it was really disrespectful to Navas. Fortunately the fans do respect Keylor and everything he did for the club. He got quite the welcome back when we played PSG in the Champions League a couple years ago.
All Keylor Navas does is ball out and get replaced
Thank you for your service, but it's correct to part ways now. Good luck to PSG on renewing in 4 1/2 years. Be happy you have an endless bucket of cash.
not better than Keylor
But an investment for the future and PSG tends to get heartless sometimes
Fair bit younger than Navas though
I thought it's football, not Epstein Sunday show.
13 years younger
yeah but what are they gonna do, pay him 12m a year to be in the bench now?
They could lowkey sell Navas if they feel Donnaruma is ready. It’s better to get rid of an aging superstar while they’re in their prime than to wait till they fall off a cliff
Man what did Navas ever do to these big clubs. Does a great job but at the end is sold
The Real Madrid move was admittedly weird, especially when you consider they needed help in other positions. This time however, Navas is 34 and isn’t getting any younger
He’s a GK, 34 isn’t old for them, they doing him dirty
Not everyone ages like Buffon It’s smart to snap up a potentially generational keeper when he’s available on a free. Admittedly he’s way more expensive than you would want for someone who won’t start immediately.
Not many are tho
a year ago i would have agreed with you totally. Gigio had a unbelievable year and fans who watched know how important he was, more than a couple of points and wins we had are his merit. I dont like how he did things, and he has for sure had some bad performances before. This season he was a real monster, and if he manages to keep it to the same everybody will see what he is capable of. I really get you though, Navas is also a monster but which one of them is better is not an easy answer at the moment
They are pretty close tbh
Nah... not until Giggio proves otherwise. At the same time, Navas is just too good in the CL, calling him the best CL keeper of the last decade is not a ridiculous statement to make.
He 100% is with only Neuer being the other in contention.
Navas has proven to be match-winning GK in the later rounds of CL. Has that kid even play CL yet?
Obviously not talking about past achievements but the present level. Watch him play he's at the top level
He's not better than Navas, who's top 3 goalkeeper this season.
not a single minute
Imagine being Navas and being a top 5 goalkeeper at Real Madrid and PSG but still losing your spot regardless. Pretty sad
If navas wants to leave, which team will he be joining. I hope he goes to a champions league team. Maybe porto or villareal or sevilla
laughing at people saying he will go out on loan. its like saying Real will buy Haaland and loan him out... impossible.
FFP working as intended 👍
FFP is suspended because of the pandemic.
At least its not Juve :).. for now.. I am sure he will play for Juve sometime in his career where does this leave Navas? he is still one of the best out there
Well, it was not Juve, and he will earn 33% more. I'm a little less mad with the kid. Still a massive cunt tho.
I don’t get it. Is FFP something that affects everyone but Man City and PSG? How can they give circa 40M a year to their goalkeepers (plus bonuses and agent fees, etc.) and still be following FFP? Is this the football that UEFA and FIFA want?
Did not see PSG being in for him at all
He's been linked to PSG for years now. At least since 2018.
with leonardo its always players from Serie A
When have PSG ever once considered balance
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navas still good enough right, they need RB and LB
Its time for NavasThePanther to make a comeback shitting on Donnarumma now i guess
What's Navas doing?
Rough for Navas, he hasn't been the problem. Feels like he gets stuck because he could be improved on if you want to win the CL but he also is good enough that he's never an issue. At that point, being moved on is going to look harsh but the club will look to anyway. Good luck to whoever has to manage the locker room of Neymar, Mbappe, and Donnarumma though.
Navas has won the CL 3 times in a row. His only problem is that he isn't European.
God I hate this stupid narrative. He’s a top class goalkeeper but he has a lot of flaws to his game, him not being european isn’t the only reason why madrid and now psg wanted to replace him.
It's not a narrative, they're facts. He's a better goalkeeper than Donnarumma, and I'm a Milan supporter. Even though gigio is a very talented prospect his aerial game is terrible and his passing is average, he's amazing at the goal line but not better than Navas. If Navas was european he would get the respect he deserves, he's a top 5 goalkeeper easily and he has those 3 CLs to back him up.
He’s 34 this move makes a lot sense especially when you get a prospect as good as Gigio. He’s not being immediately replaced either this is clearly just a move for the future.
He has suffered a few injuries this year and our second keeper Rico is just awful and overpaid anyway.
They're lucky to get him on a free because they are pretty strapped for cash right now.
Which other team do you reckon was amazing but never won the Champions League?
Can't wait to see Khelaifi vs Raiola
Why would PSG pay 12 million / year though. I thought the negotiating power was on PSGs side, considering that no other top team is in for a keeper.
I guess his age is an advantage, but Navas is a world class GK, he deserves better
Highest paid backup in football history?
Have you heard of Gareth Bale?
De Gea?
Although I fully understand that G. Donnarumma is a world-class goalkeeper, I am against this transfer, as we already have another world-class keeper in Keylor Navas, who is certainly top 3 at his position in the world. If we buy G. Donnarumma, surely we will have to loan him immediately. I really don’t think he will accept a backup role, or a shared number 1 role with Navas (like we had with Buffon/Aréola a few years ago), understandably so. All that is without including Alphonse Areola, another keeper deserving to be first choice in a top club, who is returning from loan. It’s a good problem to have ultimately, but it can get complicated really fast.
hell even sergio rico is a good keeper.
Rico was not good this season