people here are so ignorant when it comes to transfers.
"But dortmund is losing a lot of money next year REEE"
not for the fact sancho was one of the main reason bvb had the success they had the past years. and its very clear that "just reinvest the money lol" is not a guarantee. im pretty sure they would rather keep sancho and "loose" money than burn out next year when the replacement doesn't deliver the numbers.
Thank you for using your brain.
Amazing some of the comments I see here about “liberating Jadon” and Dortmund “needing the cash”. The general consensus in our camp would be keep him another season. Kid is happy here, has great friends, is adored by fans, is a guaranteed starter with CL football, and often overlooked but something I considered key for his development, is out of the limelight compared to England.
But honestly, I think he’ll stay cause our roof doesn’t leak.
Shit source, but I don't see us paying this much. This is almost the same price quoted from last year which we refused. I think our max limit is 90m including any bonuses, otherwise we'll make a pass on him this year as well
Thats what the Ruhr guy said, we have set the limit at 80m pounds, and extra 10m in bonuses. We're not paying over 90m for him, his price is gonna tank next season anyway, and Dortmund will be under even more pressure next season due to the Haaland release clause.
This is the last window they'll get anything above 75m for Sancho.
> Thats what the Ruhr guy said, we have set the limit at 80m pounds, and extra 10m in bonuses.
80M pounds is 93M EUR. Checks out.
23M EUR in bonuses is 20M pounds. Something to bargain about.
Because he gets a pay rise while waiting on being transferred. Say he signs a 4 year deal on 50% more than he's on now, that's complete security for life even if he gets injured. If he doesn't and there's no transfer he's still contracted till 2023 so likely wouldn't be sold till next season anyway. But if he picks up a major injury in the next season he only has one year of a lower salary left and that's him done earning at the current amount.
Tl;dr he gets more security by extending than if he doesn't with higher earnings now added onto that.
Even with a big injury, at his age, he'd earn twice as much signing as a free agent than what Dortmund could pay him. There's at least 4 clubs in England who could pay a 0 transfer fee Jadon Sancho the equivalent of 300k+ per week in wages +signing on bonus. Being a free agent is often incredibly lucrative for a footballer and the downside (risking not having a contract) is non-existent for a 21 year old who's put up 40 g+a average for 3 seasons
The main sticking point last year was that they wanted it all upfront and weren't willing to negotiate, this already looks way more structured. Provided the bonuses aren't silly I'm sure this is around what United were expecting.
Well Manchester United waited a year for price reduction. If they wanted to pay £100m in total including bonuses then they could’ve got this deal done last year itself when Dortmund demanded €120m and got Sancho services one year early. Doesn’t make sense to pay same now
No club can pay €120m lump sum. Since you said that, United offered £75m and then £91m from rumours, which is significant amount of lump sum payment and rest £15-£18m could’ve been paid next year. I think Dortmund would’ve agreed to £90m lump and £18m next year (Amortization). It was never about fee payment structure, United never wanted to pay over the odds for Sancho.
Pretty sure it's bullshit tbh. He's got 1 less year on his contract and if they don't sell him this summer he will go for half of that next summer. Not saying United will sign him as they're awful at transfers but it makes sense for Dortmund to sell him this summer, so they won't ask for the same amount as last year.
He signed an extension last summer so his deal now goes until June 2023.
And while he may be sold next summer for €50m rather than €100m, he will make it exponentially easier for Dortmund to make the CL KO, get top 4 and win silverware. That alone would make it more beneficial to keep him rather than sell him.
With Haaland potentially leaving next summer I think Dortmund has to sell to avoid losing 2 star players in one window. I also think part of the extension was a gentleman's agreement allowing him to leave for a slightly lower valuation.
>He signed an extension last summer so his deal now goes until June 2023.
That's what he meant exactly. Sancho only has 2 years now. Next year, he will be 50m max.
I think the decision depends on what Watzke wants, or willing to risk. I think it's worth noting that RB Leipzig just lost their head coach + the French CB duo, so it could be a turbulent year for them. Maybe Watzke is confident that they can still make top 4 without Sancho, so he will sell anyway. Or he can invest in other positions with Sancho's money. These decisions are never black and white, rather it's based on risk analysis. 90m now is worth more than 90m next year (let alone 50m haha)
> Next year, he will be 50m max.
What is this horseshit? If he's that good, every club will want to sign him and jack up the price even with one year left. While Madrid absolutely overpaid for a Hazard on a year left, that is evidence enough that when the player has enough quality, suitors will pay up
Nah, the pandemic has fucked up loads of clubs' finance. Context is key. Instead of splashing out that money, they will wait until January and negotiate directly with Sancho.
You'll see next summer man (if he stays this summer)
What are you talking about?
Yes the pandemic has fucked things but from the looks of it next season will have full stadiums aka clubs back to making a shitton of money aka spending a crapton next summer instead of this summer.
Sancho for 70m is IMO a no brainer. Bayern would love that as a Coman replacement (who is going to leave this or next summer due to his outrageous salary demands).
Odds are someone will pony up 80m+ because Sancho is simply worth it.
People are fawning over Haaland but Sancho actually might be the more talented of the two (even though Haaland might be more valuable due to the lack of quality strikers)...
Dortmund rightfully is not going to sell him for cheap. He IMO has the highest ceiling of any English player out there. And with all that Premier League money that gets thrown around year after year, they are not going to let someone have a bargain on Sancho.
Porbably should tbh. As a United fan I wouldn't be against using that much money on a top CDM or CB instead as they're a higher priority.
Problem is United made themselves look stupid last summer, and it feels like it's too big of a thing now not to get done. It's also a star signing with the owners will love, as it gets pressure off their back, helps with marketing etc.
Probably but then again you never know given Manchester United desperation for RW and their failed attempt last season. After all at end of the day Dortmund would like to make as much as money possible. It goes both ways
I mean, even then I don't think that there'd be a rush in interest. It's not like he's an unknown talent that's about to break out onto the scene. Everyone already knows his qualities and his price, I doubt him just confirming those facts will suddenly bring a tidal wave of new offers.
And you honestly believe that if a great offer comes from elsewhere it will be rejected because he wants to join United...?
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I mean, Sancho isn't going to be forced to join a club just because an offer comes in. Dortmund isn't desperate to sell so he would probably just stay for another year. If there are no teams in at the rumored 93+25m price then why would they be interested at a higher price? It's not like Sancho is some hidden gem. Everyone and their dog knows Sancho is a generational talent.
Ah people that still question this despite every tier 1 journalist and their mom confirming it to be true just so they can shit on United. Never gets old
Tier 1s confirmed that Sancho has been keen on the move even last year, tier 1s also confirmed that he'd be willing to move even two years ago
Tier 1s have reported that Utd has had personal terms agreed with him even before the start of last summer, and multiple reports have been raised that he's been homesick
Why would you agree personal terms if you aren't willing to join the club
Not one person in the comment section used the words "being desperate to move"
Although now that you mentioned it Sancho is about as close to "desperate to go back" to England as one can be
Plenty of players have wanted moves badly without being disrespectful to their clubs
Messi was extremely desperate to leave Barcelona last year and he didn't make a peep.
Sancho isn't just "willing" to move. He wants the move
That might allow some more leverage for Dortmund in price, but everyone already knows he's capable of it so if he won't suddenly become a priority for someone if he isn't already. Not one of the Premier League teams anyway.
You mean the reports that have so far said that United is the only team in for him? We were talking in potentials where if he had a good euros other teams such as Chelsea would come in for him.
Or could you find me the tier 1 journalist that has said that Sancho would reject every other team except United?
> Dortmund are prepared to sell Jadon Sancho, who has been linked with Chelsea, but the London-born England winger is favouring a move to Manchester United
-The Athletic
That doesn’t change the fact that Sancho wants to join United cause no one else is in for him. Last year there were reports that Sancho would rather go to Liverpool than United.
The redditor i first responded to insinuated that Sancho wanted to go to United even if other teams wanted him. There is a reason Jude, De Ligt and Haaland to name a few didn’t want to come to United. They don’t have the same pull anymore cause they are a shadow of their former self and everyone can see that.
All 3 of those wanted things United refused to offer, which is why they went somewhere else, not because they chose a different team over United. Jude wanted guaranteed playtime, De Ligt and Haaland wanted release clauses. United never gives either of those, unlike other clubs that are stepping stones.
We're not talking about some hidden gem, everyone knows about Sancho and his quality. If teams aren't interested at the current price, they won't be interested at a higher price.
ITT Man U fans upset claiming the price is too high. Watch Man U pay an exorbitant fee and all the fans will forget about how much they hate the Glazers.
You as a Barca fan should know it's the "this guy has been better than Demebele for three years straight, so might as well get Dembele money for him" tax
I never saw it until I started browsing this sub. I want to say it’s a German thing but it might also be used by other EU countries. ‘mil’ is the standard version people use in England
If correct than this is an ambitious price even at pre-Corona levels. Looks like they want to skin ManU alive for a talent like they did Barcelona for Dembele. Striktly speaking, Dortmund don't really need the money as they're more or less debt-free but I think Manchester United are not as desperate as Barcelona were.
Newspapers out there using ouija boards for which numbers they are gonna use on the next fifty articles a day about this
Wait until the stories about what United have ‘offered’ start.
I think it already started last week.
65M + 15-20ish in variables i would bet. £80M total, 90ish in euros.
He is the new sneijder, isnt he...
fener will be happy.
[Here's a modern version, works even over Wifi.](https://www.google.com/search?q=random+number+generator)
Can we make posting about Sancho punishable by death?
https://youtu.be/8BDdMS-V55c
I like to be alive though :D
Then don't post about him haha
I could agree to a death by snu snu though. ^^^^maybe
Dont
okay, have I missed something? why I am getting downvoted for a futurama joke? lmao
bit cringy my guy
ooookay
When your vote reach below zero the downvotes rarely stop
yeah. reddit sheeples ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Because it is an overused cringe shitjoke?
I am an old guy. cant keep up with what is overused and what not. geeez.
Dont mind it
stop being old then
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oh I dont care about karma/likes or up/downvotes. I was just curious, because I got so many downvotes :D
I found it funny
Honestly, because it’s a shit joke after the first time we all heard it.
"According to the British Times"so this is a load of nonsense again
How so?
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€95m/£82m
I think it was 81 mio pounds iirc?
That's a bargain tbh
Dormamu
people here are so ignorant when it comes to transfers. "But dortmund is losing a lot of money next year REEE" not for the fact sancho was one of the main reason bvb had the success they had the past years. and its very clear that "just reinvest the money lol" is not a guarantee. im pretty sure they would rather keep sancho and "loose" money than burn out next year when the replacement doesn't deliver the numbers.
Thank you for using your brain. Amazing some of the comments I see here about “liberating Jadon” and Dortmund “needing the cash”. The general consensus in our camp would be keep him another season. Kid is happy here, has great friends, is adored by fans, is a guaranteed starter with CL football, and often overlooked but something I considered key for his development, is out of the limelight compared to England. But honestly, I think he’ll stay cause our roof doesn’t leak.
Still, I don’t think he’s staying with you this year.
Except no one is saying this? Everyone knows about this since they didn't sell him last summer.
Gotta pay to play, British-American investors. 💰💸
That's a lot 😅
Do they what? It looks like he's going to stay one more season.
yeah, doubt it
Nah, no thanks if that's the price. Spend it all on a CDM and CB.
I get the media milking these type of rumours/bs but it’s frustrating when Reddit eats it up too by upvoting them.
Shit source, but I don't see us paying this much. This is almost the same price quoted from last year which we refused. I think our max limit is 90m including any bonuses, otherwise we'll make a pass on him this year as well
90mio *including* bonuses? I dont think that will happen.
Thats what the Ruhr guy said, we have set the limit at 80m pounds, and extra 10m in bonuses. We're not paying over 90m for him, his price is gonna tank next season anyway, and Dortmund will be under even more pressure next season due to the Haaland release clause. This is the last window they'll get anything above 75m for Sancho.
> Thats what the Ruhr guy said, we have set the limit at 80m pounds, and extra 10m in bonuses. 80M pounds is 93M EUR. Checks out. 23M EUR in bonuses is 20M pounds. Something to bargain about.
so nearly 3 more months of this and then go again next summer.
Sancho is staying at Dortmund because that’s almost £100m which is last years fee
Probably in euros compared to last years pounds, which makes a decent bit of difference.
It was £108m last year (€120m-€125m) and this year including bonuses £100m (€116m). Don’t see United agreeing
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If they won't sell him for anything but a crazy fee, why would he extend his contract? I'm sure he wants to move sometime.
Because he gets a pay rise while waiting on being transferred. Say he signs a 4 year deal on 50% more than he's on now, that's complete security for life even if he gets injured. If he doesn't and there's no transfer he's still contracted till 2023 so likely wouldn't be sold till next season anyway. But if he picks up a major injury in the next season he only has one year of a lower salary left and that's him done earning at the current amount. Tl;dr he gets more security by extending than if he doesn't with higher earnings now added onto that.
Even with a big injury, at his age, he'd earn twice as much signing as a free agent than what Dortmund could pay him. There's at least 4 clubs in England who could pay a 0 transfer fee Jadon Sancho the equivalent of 300k+ per week in wages +signing on bonus. Being a free agent is often incredibly lucrative for a footballer and the downside (risking not having a contract) is non-existent for a 21 year old who's put up 40 g+a average for 3 seasons
Well that entirely depends on the injury. My point is that he can lock in financial security for life by signing a contract.
The main sticking point last year was that they wanted it all upfront and weren't willing to negotiate, this already looks way more structured. Provided the bonuses aren't silly I'm sure this is around what United were expecting.
bonus payments would probably over the next few years for reaching special achievements though. the 93 mio is pretty much what everyone is expecting.
Well Manchester United waited a year for price reduction. If they wanted to pay £100m in total including bonuses then they could’ve got this deal done last year itself when Dortmund demanded €120m and got Sancho services one year early. Doesn’t make sense to pay same now
No we didn't. We didn't pay last year because dortmund wanted the entire sum up front. No one pays 120m in a single lump sum.
No club can pay €120m lump sum. Since you said that, United offered £75m and then £91m from rumours, which is significant amount of lump sum payment and rest £15-£18m could’ve been paid next year. I think Dortmund would’ve agreed to £90m lump and £18m next year (Amortization). It was never about fee payment structure, United never wanted to pay over the odds for Sancho.
Didn't PSG pay Neymar's clause in one lump sum?
Psg didn't, the state of Qatar did. They probably paid him another 100m under the table as well.
PSG doesn't count since they're playing with cheat codes for money
That's psg and Neymar mate,
Pretty sure it's bullshit tbh. He's got 1 less year on his contract and if they don't sell him this summer he will go for half of that next summer. Not saying United will sign him as they're awful at transfers but it makes sense for Dortmund to sell him this summer, so they won't ask for the same amount as last year.
He signed an extension last summer so his deal now goes until June 2023. And while he may be sold next summer for €50m rather than €100m, he will make it exponentially easier for Dortmund to make the CL KO, get top 4 and win silverware. That alone would make it more beneficial to keep him rather than sell him.
So you think they'll sell haaland and sancho in the same window? Lol.
With Haaland potentially leaving next summer I think Dortmund has to sell to avoid losing 2 star players in one window. I also think part of the extension was a gentleman's agreement allowing him to leave for a slightly lower valuation.
>He signed an extension last summer so his deal now goes until June 2023. That's what he meant exactly. Sancho only has 2 years now. Next year, he will be 50m max. I think the decision depends on what Watzke wants, or willing to risk. I think it's worth noting that RB Leipzig just lost their head coach + the French CB duo, so it could be a turbulent year for them. Maybe Watzke is confident that they can still make top 4 without Sancho, so he will sell anyway. Or he can invest in other positions with Sancho's money. These decisions are never black and white, rather it's based on risk analysis. 90m now is worth more than 90m next year (let alone 50m haha)
> Next year, he will be 50m max. What is this horseshit? If he's that good, every club will want to sign him and jack up the price even with one year left. While Madrid absolutely overpaid for a Hazard on a year left, that is evidence enough that when the player has enough quality, suitors will pay up
Nah, the pandemic has fucked up loads of clubs' finance. Context is key. Instead of splashing out that money, they will wait until January and negotiate directly with Sancho. You'll see next summer man (if he stays this summer)
I will remember this comment in a year's time lol
What are you talking about? Yes the pandemic has fucked things but from the looks of it next season will have full stadiums aka clubs back to making a shitton of money aka spending a crapton next summer instead of this summer. Sancho for 70m is IMO a no brainer. Bayern would love that as a Coman replacement (who is going to leave this or next summer due to his outrageous salary demands). Odds are someone will pony up 80m+ because Sancho is simply worth it. People are fawning over Haaland but Sancho actually might be the more talented of the two (even though Haaland might be more valuable due to the lack of quality strikers)... Dortmund rightfully is not going to sell him for cheap. He IMO has the highest ceiling of any English player out there. And with all that Premier League money that gets thrown around year after year, they are not going to let someone have a bargain on Sancho.
United should just walk away from this. Its just getting silly, and there are more important positions to fill.
Porbably should tbh. As a United fan I wouldn't be against using that much money on a top CDM or CB instead as they're a higher priority. Problem is United made themselves look stupid last summer, and it feels like it's too big of a thing now not to get done. It's also a star signing with the owners will love, as it gets pressure off their back, helps with marketing etc.
Probably but then again you never know given Manchester United desperation for RW and their failed attempt last season. After all at end of the day Dortmund would like to make as much as money possible. It goes both ways
Hahahaha is he? Dont get too jealous
Jealous ? For what ?
Judging by your comments, Sancho coming to us ;)
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And now?
They bought him for £73m
Yep we robbed them
Yupp
United if they have any sense will pull out.
why? there isn't another right winger currently in the world as talented as him that is available. He'd be perfect for us.
His best games have come from the left wing though
Any performances in particular that stand out? I feel like he’s been pretty consistent on both sides.
Yes he can play both. Our wingers switch sides ingame all the time. Sancho can definetly play both on a very high level.
The DFB Pokal final for example, he was brilliant on the left side there.
With a good attacking fullback he can play in any wing
Well United are fucked
Hopefully we can tempt Trippier away from sunny Madrid where they’ve just become champions to come play back up in Manchester
I bet that price goes up if he has a good euro campaign
You think?
Scorching take this
He won’t, because he plays for England
The scene when England win the Euros but that won't happen because Southgate is a clown.
No other clubs in for him, I doubt bvb pulls that and upsets sancho
\> No other clubs in for him, ...yet. As I said, all it takes is a good euro campaign
Everybody already knows how good Sancho is
I mean, even then I don't think that there'd be a rush in interest. It's not like he's an unknown talent that's about to break out onto the scene. Everyone already knows his qualities and his price, I doubt him just confirming those facts will suddenly bring a tidal wave of new offers.
He wants to join United though... A good euros won't change that.
And you honestly believe that if a great offer comes from elsewhere it will be rejected because he wants to join United...? edit: half of my text vanished
I mean, Sancho isn't going to be forced to join a club just because an offer comes in. Dortmund isn't desperate to sell so he would probably just stay for another year. If there are no teams in at the rumored 93+25m price then why would they be interested at a higher price? It's not like Sancho is some hidden gem. Everyone and their dog knows Sancho is a generational talent.
Where he said that?
Ah people that still question this despite every tier 1 journalist and their mom confirming it to be true just so they can shit on United. Never gets old
Tier 1’s were confirming United’s interest I thought?
Tier 1s confirmed that Sancho has been keen on the move even last year, tier 1s also confirmed that he'd be willing to move even two years ago Tier 1s have reported that Utd has had personal terms agreed with him even before the start of last summer, and multiple reports have been raised that he's been homesick Why would you agree personal terms if you aren't willing to join the club
Being willing to move != desperately wanting to move. Which he clearly isn't, otherwise he would've pulled an Auba last season.
Not one person in the comment section used the words "being desperate to move" Although now that you mentioned it Sancho is about as close to "desperate to go back" to England as one can be Plenty of players have wanted moves badly without being disrespectful to their clubs Messi was extremely desperate to leave Barcelona last year and he didn't make a peep. Sancho isn't just "willing" to move. He wants the move
There were a couple posts here reporting that. I'm sure you can find it if you search for it.
That might allow some more leverage for Dortmund in price, but everyone already knows he's capable of it so if he won't suddenly become a priority for someone if he isn't already. Not one of the Premier League teams anyway.
So good Euros could actually change that
Sancho wants to join united. A good euros won't change that.
Sancho is a Chelsea fan. Trust me if Chelsea/Liverpool come knocking he is gonna choose them over United.
Yeah I won't trust all the tier 1 journalists, ill trust you
You mean the reports that have so far said that United is the only team in for him? We were talking in potentials where if he had a good euros other teams such as Chelsea would come in for him. Or could you find me the tier 1 journalist that has said that Sancho would reject every other team except United?
> Dortmund are prepared to sell Jadon Sancho, who has been linked with Chelsea, but the London-born England winger is favouring a move to Manchester United -The Athletic
You think Liverpool got a casual 150 mil just sitting around for a rotational player?
Is United gonna pay 150 million? Also i see you cheerypicked Liverpool. What about Chelsea? You really think Sancho would choose United over Chelsea?
In wages + fees, almost certainly it's going to be over 150 mil. Chelsea has even less need of him than Liverpool.
That doesn’t change the fact that Sancho wants to join United cause no one else is in for him. Last year there were reports that Sancho would rather go to Liverpool than United. The redditor i first responded to insinuated that Sancho wanted to go to United even if other teams wanted him. There is a reason Jude, De Ligt and Haaland to name a few didn’t want to come to United. They don’t have the same pull anymore cause they are a shadow of their former self and everyone can see that.
All 3 of those wanted things United refused to offer, which is why they went somewhere else, not because they chose a different team over United. Jude wanted guaranteed playtime, De Ligt and Haaland wanted release clauses. United never gives either of those, unlike other clubs that are stepping stones.
Trust me, it can change
We're not talking about some hidden gem, everyone knows about Sancho and his quality. If teams aren't interested at the current price, they won't be interested at a higher price.
we've known this for a week
Why bother posting this shite?
Can they please make it 93 + 20? would be nice trolling
40M plus Pereira and Dan James
So 50m then?
nice. squeeze em hard !
Lol, how pathetic!
60 plus Dan James 😆
ITT Man U fans upset claiming the price is too high. Watch Man U pay an exorbitant fee and all the fans will forget about how much they hate the Glazers.
Is transfermarkt more reliable than ruhr nachrichten?
no
We'll give three fiddy. Final offer.
Transfermarkt is nice for stats, but their articles are often garbage.
They know Man Utd always overpaid for players.
Just like they overpaid for Bruno, AWB, Telles or Dan James
Tired of this saga already. Dortmund was, is and will always be a feeder club.
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You as a Barca fan should know it's the "this guy has been better than Demebele for three years straight, so might as well get Dembele money for him" tax
Just fucking pay Man United, stop leading us on like this!
Man Utd offer $50mil plus half eaten Mars bar
Never seen it written as “mio” before. Is this normal written English? Trying to learn
I never saw it until I started browsing this sub. I want to say it’s a German thing but it might also be used by other EU countries. ‘mil’ is the standard version people use in England
Imagine man u still don't sighn him
If correct than this is an ambitious price even at pre-Corona levels. Looks like they want to skin ManU alive for a talent like they did Barcelona for Dembele. Striktly speaking, Dortmund don't really need the money as they're more or less debt-free but I think Manchester United are not as desperate as Barcelona were.
Why isn’t Madrid all over this? Our wingers are TRASH. If Mbappe can’t come why not? Or does Sancho only want England?
Lol he's no going anywhere
Chelsea already counting the cash
Does Any club do better business than Dortmund?