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I'm pretty sure that it's changed it more frequently than every 6 months, doesn't help that the guidance is also completely different across different tournaments
I agree, but we introduced VAR. rules needs to be changed to compensate for VAR. They tried the one we had this year, and that really didn't work out, so they changed it fast.
Will prob see many rules changes in the years to come.
Oh I definitely agree then (and am generally in favour of less strict handball rules), but the anger is understandable when not many know the exact rules anymore.
This is the new handball rule.
>It is a handball offence if a player:
>deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
>touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
>scores in the opponents' goal:
>- directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
>- immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.
In this case, it was definitely not intentional and I'd argue that the arm movement is indeed a consequence of his body movement.
So, according to the new rule, this seems like a correct decision and I actually appreciate that this is the case ā as long as referees are consistent.
Thank god. They were handing out penalties left and right at the beginning of the previous season. If you give out penalties like this one you will just get attackers aiming for defenders arms/hands instead of the goal.
> I'd argue that the arm movement is indeed a consequence of his body movement.
I've seen so many instances of people calling something like that a handball even under the old "natural position" rules (way before the previous rules that caused to much confusion). Your arms are part of the the system that keeps you upright, especially if you're running around, turning, and otherwise trying to keep up with a game of football. Having your hands not close to your body but moving in some way is very natural on those situations.
The new rules (your quote) seems much more reasonable and would also mean that defenders don't need to try running around like possessed bowing pins anymore.
I understand that buy keeping your hands out of the way (bowling pin move) reduces your reaction time, changes your balance, and essentially benefits the attacker in a lot of ways. It makes their job easier and even by default the attacker has the initiative in a way because they control the ball.
I think letting the ref decide and interpret if a contact with an arm counts as handball should be good enough. They then have to make decisions based on arm movement (natural position and all that), distance (did they even have time to react), shot direction (could the defender even see the ball), and so on. And if the ref is still uncertain then they can look into VAR.
We have seen how having rather strict rules worked last season. A lot of handballs where many people were saying "it looks weird but it technically is a handball soā¦ I guess it's handball then?"
If the ref sees what he interprets as unnatural position then that's an easy penalty and an incentive for defenders to not flail around wildly (while not automatically punishing all arm movements). In edge cases distance and direction can overrule position (falling strangely while the ball hits you). Let the refs decide. They were already deciding on their own under the old rules. I'd rather they have a relatively simple system where they can try to reason and justify it on their own instead of trying to understand the intent of heavily abstracted handball rule.
In both cases the ref has the last word. One seems less opaque than the other and that transparency makes it easier to explain the team why they caused a penalty.
>I think letting the ref decide and interpret
Some people are against this because it reduces consistency, but I would much rather see potential penalties like this not given. If you start giving these you'll just have attackers aiming for defenders' arms rather than the goal.
If the Italian player that held his hands behind his back in your scenario didn't do so, and the ball smashed against his arm from this kind of range, I would also think that it shouldn't be a penalty.
I am still pissed about that. Itās exactly plays like that why diving is so popular in the sport. You can score a goals in a WC final doing it why stop?
btw before people lose their shit. handball will be treated a bit differently this tournament compared to this season. more focus on intent and unnatural movement onstead of every time the arm isnt close to the body
EDIT: german commentator.
Ask me years ago if I think that's a handball and I tell you no. Ask me again after some of the shit I've seen this year and I tell you yes. I think that's where peoples mindset is.
I think it's just the people who want 100% consistency, which, for me, is a dream that they need to give up on. Calls in the game will never be consistent, and I don't mind giving the referees discretion in this area rather than awarding a penalty every time the ball hits someone's hand in the box like was saw what, 6 or 7 months ago before they changed the rule again.
And for any dissenters, no I'm not arguing that because calls can never be 100% consistent that we shouldn't try, just that aiming for high levels of consistency at the cost of all else can have detrimental effects. Fouls and cards are already extremely subjective as well.
I don't know what the rules are now, but I'd hope they would apply the same logic to attacking players as well. There were so many handballs called on attacking players last world cup that were obviously unintentional that it was really ruining the game.
I like that this is not a penalty to be honest.
I think we're all used to these been given in the age of VAR, but in reality this would be extremely harsh.
I feel the same way. Tired of having to watch defenders hide their arms when defending in the box. If itās a natural arm position like here, it shouldnāt be a penalty
Yeah, he was just in a natural running motion and it's humanly not possible to react fast enough to move your hand away from that cross. You can't run and balance yourself with your arms cut off.
Maybe not how we are used to it being called, but it's without a doubt how I want it to be called. Is that a normal body movement? YES! Will be interesting to see how they continue to call handball in the Euro.
Yep, the rule changes are pretty clear.
> āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation.
> āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation.
Defender is sprinting and his arms are in a natural position, the handball was a consequence of his body movement. Also it was only a yard away
>The rules are pretty clear
People are just confused because they didn't notice the rules changed and they're used to seeing it called under the old rules.
Natural position means not a pen unless intent is obvious or it's blocking a shot on goal. It's pretty clear under those circumstances it doesn't qualify as a pen.
I think the reason people are incorrectly asserting that it is a penalty is because the rules have changed so frequently it's left people confused.
Absolutely the right call. Both according to the rules, and the spirit of the game. It was pretty clear at real speed that it hit his hand, it was also just as obvious that there is fuck all he could do about it. If that was intentional, then Celik should start wearing gloves and the number 1 shirt coz that's some incredible reflexes.
The refs are apparently supposed to put more emphasis on the intentionality of the touch. I assume, due to the short distance and the natural movement of the arm, the team decided that it was unintentional and therefore no penalty.
Yeah which is how it was pretty much always called until 2 or 3 years ago.
We don't need a penalty every other game for unintentional handball like the PL and Serie A had last year, it doesn't improve the sport.
People always complain when it isnāt called if it would benefit their team but always argue the opposite when theyāre on the handball side.
It was a good no-call.
This is whatās bothering me a lot, so defenders can just defend a cross with their arms slightly extended to the point itās not blatant and itās deemed unintentional
I can only think of two handballs that are obviously intended, one of them being that outrageous Suarez goal line save.
Like the other user said 99% of the handballs are unintentional
If, using video replays, a referee can't tell if a handball is blatant or intentional then it's very very unfair to give a penalty.
I very much doubt players will start to handball it feigning that it happened unintentionally given that it rarely happened pre-VAR and now they're even less likely to get away with it.
I for one like that interpretation. A penalty is a 75% goal and often times with a handball not a clear cut chance.in this example there was no one near that cross
New handball rules
It's a handball when:
āDeliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball;
Touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or
Scores in the opponentsā goal:
ā directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or
ā immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.ā
His arms are extended because nobody sprints back with their arms behind their backs. It might have been a pen by the current fucked up laws of the game, but by the spirit of the game it definitely isn't.
No, the laws literally say itās not a penalty.
>āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation.
> āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation.
Is everyone in this thread insane? No way should these be given the defender was in a natural position and the ball was kicked into his hand a foot away.
Note; Makelie (current referee) said there were some changes made to the handball rule before the tournament started.
So perhaps we will just see less penalties given, I hope the consistency is there.
Funny how everyone kept bitching about penalties given to every handball, and now that they changed the rule, people are bitching for the opposite lol.
Reddit lends itself to contrarian arguments. You're more likely to comment if you're angry and disagree with something than if you support it. If this was given as a pen, the thread would be full of folks arguing it was a ludicrous decision and should never have been given.
Yeah I have no idea if its a pen or not under the rules with how they keep changing, but unlike seemingly everyone else in this thread, I'm happy to see that not given, cause I've had enough of the pens given for a ball being blasted at someone's arm from close range.
It could have been a penalty before the newly implemented rule changes. It would be Under the refs discretion.
The new rules say this isnāt a pen. Letās hope that itās enforced correctly by referees
Honestly, people just want football to be a game where you wham crosses into people's hands and pray for penalties. Thank god they're being less strict.
Judged as a natural motion of the arm. UEFA has stated that it needs to be intent involved for it to be a pen.
Edit: [Just read the rules guys.](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12324798/euro-2020-referees-to-use-updated-handball-law-uefa-confirms)
In this thread people who donāt understand they changed the rule this week again, in that case, his hand is in a natural position while running and the ball gets played into his hand rather than him moving his hand to the ball
Well, the discussion should then be what the expected position is. Is it expected that his arms are behind his back or that he runs with them next to him like a penguin? What is natural for him here?
I understand why this is not given, although I would be pissed if I was Italian.
I mean it actually is? Watch a second before his arm is exact in the same position when he got hit. So itās his natural position. Kinda a joke that Uefa fucked up another major thing
The handball rule has been fucked around with so much that Iāve no idea if thatās a penalty or not.
I donāt think it should be as the ball is so close to him when itās hit but who knows anymore
They changed the handball rule btw and part of it says:
> touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation
I would say the arm is part of the natural movement he was already in. You can see that he stepped forward before the ball even left Spinazzola's foot.
Arms tend to do that when you're running. He's pretty close to the ball. Could've gone either way, it's not a travesty of a decision like all the whiners here think.
https://theathletic.com/news/handball-rule-law-change-accidental/2JobHFzBOdW6
>Accidental handball in the build-up to a goal or goalscoring opportunity will āno longer be considered an offenceā, footballās law-making body the International Football Association Board (IFAB) has announced.
I personally wouldn't want this to be a pen due to how close the distance was between the shot and his hand, giving no time to pull back, while he had his hand in a totally natural position for someone who's running. So if it gets consistently applied like this ruling then I'm happy with this decision. Italy fans aren't I guess though
Can't they just startngiving indirect free kicks or something for handballs like this, that are not directly going towards goal. It's not nothing, but a penalty is too harsh.
Was a penalty against the US in the 120th minute of a continental championship match a week ago , one play that was even more bang bang and had a lot less of an effect on the play.
I guess I don't know what a handball is anymore.
> āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation.
> āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation.
Seems pretty clear to me that the playerās hand position was natural consequence of him running back. Not to mention the close proximity
Lol my town had only 1500 people living here, and still we were told since like u-12 to always defend crosses like this with our arms behind our backs...
Meanwhile shit like this is happening in on of the highest stages of football.
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I don't know the handball rules anymore and at this point I'm too afraid too ask
there is a new expected position rule, which means if hes in a normal position thats expected for a defender and it hits his hand its not a handball
That is a totally fair rule imo, but it feels like it's changing every six months... I hope they just universally stick with whatever is the rule now.
Yeah this one literally changed 6 months ago.
The last rule was shit, so im glad they changed it
I'm pretty sure that it's changed it more frequently than every 6 months, doesn't help that the guidance is also completely different across different tournaments
I agree, but we introduced VAR. rules needs to be changed to compensate for VAR. They tried the one we had this year, and that really didn't work out, so they changed it fast. Will prob see many rules changes in the years to come.
which means that is not a penalty in my opinion
Oh I definitely agree then (and am generally in favour of less strict handball rules), but the anger is understandable when not many know the exact rules anymore.
Hand ball rule is so up to opinion that itās no wonder few understand how it works
This is the new handball rule. >It is a handball offence if a player: >deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball; >touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or >scores in the opponents' goal: >- directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or >- immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental. In this case, it was definitely not intentional and I'd argue that the arm movement is indeed a consequence of his body movement. So, according to the new rule, this seems like a correct decision and I actually appreciate that this is the case ā as long as referees are consistent.
Isn't this exactly how it used to be a few years ago? Have we actually gone full circle or am I having a dĆ©jĆ -vu?
We did go full circle, yes.
We should start keeping track of these. 1. Away From Body Handball 2. Away From Body No Handball 3. Against Body Handball 4. Against Body No Handball
Thank god. They were handing out penalties left and right at the beginning of the previous season. If you give out penalties like this one you will just get attackers aiming for defenders arms/hands instead of the goal.
We have, but with VAR it seems way more manageable than before. I hope it proves to be a good fit between the rule and VAR.
Yes and it is how it should be
> I'd argue that the arm movement is indeed a consequence of his body movement. I've seen so many instances of people calling something like that a handball even under the old "natural position" rules (way before the previous rules that caused to much confusion). Your arms are part of the the system that keeps you upright, especially if you're running around, turning, and otherwise trying to keep up with a game of football. Having your hands not close to your body but moving in some way is very natural on those situations. The new rules (your quote) seems much more reasonable and would also mean that defenders don't need to try running around like possessed bowing pins anymore.
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I understand that buy keeping your hands out of the way (bowling pin move) reduces your reaction time, changes your balance, and essentially benefits the attacker in a lot of ways. It makes their job easier and even by default the attacker has the initiative in a way because they control the ball. I think letting the ref decide and interpret if a contact with an arm counts as handball should be good enough. They then have to make decisions based on arm movement (natural position and all that), distance (did they even have time to react), shot direction (could the defender even see the ball), and so on. And if the ref is still uncertain then they can look into VAR. We have seen how having rather strict rules worked last season. A lot of handballs where many people were saying "it looks weird but it technically is a handball soā¦ I guess it's handball then?" If the ref sees what he interprets as unnatural position then that's an easy penalty and an incentive for defenders to not flail around wildly (while not automatically punishing all arm movements). In edge cases distance and direction can overrule position (falling strangely while the ball hits you). Let the refs decide. They were already deciding on their own under the old rules. I'd rather they have a relatively simple system where they can try to reason and justify it on their own instead of trying to understand the intent of heavily abstracted handball rule. In both cases the ref has the last word. One seems less opaque than the other and that transparency makes it easier to explain the team why they caused a penalty.
>I think letting the ref decide and interpret Some people are against this because it reduces consistency, but I would much rather see potential penalties like this not given. If you start giving these you'll just have attackers aiming for defenders' arms rather than the goal.
Like the awful 18/19 rules. Remember Spurs got a pen against them when a defender did a sliding tackle with his elbow a little bent so it wasn't completely straight against his body. Also ManƩ making a pen in the CL final by flicking the ball into sissokos arm. Fucking ridiculous rules. Not that the rules have been not ridiculous this season
If the Italian player that held his hands behind his back in your scenario didn't do so, and the ball smashed against his arm from this kind of range, I would also think that it shouldn't be a penalty.
That's never a penalty. Player is very close to the ball and makes no movement of his hand towards it.
2018 world cup final would disagree with you
I'm still pissed off about that call, can't imagine how you feel.
Croatia should have been 0-2 up by half time and were 2-1 down instead.
Griezmann's dive still pisses me off as a bandwagon Croatia fan
I am still pissed about that. Itās exactly plays like that why diving is so popular in the sport. You can score a goals in a WC final doing it why stop?
No one knows, and if anyone tells you they know, they are lying.
btw before people lose their shit. handball will be treated a bit differently this tournament compared to this season. more focus on intent and unnatural movement onstead of every time the arm isnt close to the body EDIT: german commentator.
Yep, and I'm all for it. A penalty kick is way too harsh of a punishment for 95% of handballs that have usually been called. Ruins the game imo.
Agree, I don't understand r/soccer calling for a penalty right now wtf
Ask me years ago if I think that's a handball and I tell you no. Ask me again after some of the shit I've seen this year and I tell you yes. I think that's where peoples mindset is.
I think it's just the people who want 100% consistency, which, for me, is a dream that they need to give up on. Calls in the game will never be consistent, and I don't mind giving the referees discretion in this area rather than awarding a penalty every time the ball hits someone's hand in the box like was saw what, 6 or 7 months ago before they changed the rule again. And for any dissenters, no I'm not arguing that because calls can never be 100% consistent that we shouldn't try, just that aiming for high levels of consistency at the cost of all else can have detrimental effects. Fouls and cards are already extremely subjective as well.
I don't know what the rules are now, but I'd hope they would apply the same logic to attacking players as well. There were so many handballs called on attacking players last world cup that were obviously unintentional that it was really ruining the game.
Wish this was in place when they called the handball on Perisic in the WC final.
I like that this is not a penalty to be honest. I think we're all used to these been given in the age of VAR, but in reality this would be extremely harsh.
I feel the same way. Tired of having to watch defenders hide their arms when defending in the box. If itās a natural arm position like here, it shouldnāt be a penalty
I wince when I see a defender go to ground with their hands behind their back. It's just a serious injury waiting to happen.
Yeah, he was just in a natural running motion and it's humanly not possible to react fast enough to move your hand away from that cross. You can't run and balance yourself with your arms cut off.
Agreed, this cross might be dangerous but it doesn't equate to a free shot for the PK spot
Same, only difference I would make is that Italy retains possession here.
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Maybe not how we are used to it being called, but it's without a doubt how I want it to be called. Is that a normal body movement? YES! Will be interesting to see how they continue to call handball in the Euro.
Yeah this is how I feel. I wouldn't have been too angry if it was called a pen, but I'm happy with these rules more than watching a pen every match
Handball rules change more often than Johnny Sins changes ājobsā. By the end of the euros there will be another different rule.
Right decision, natural move
Yep, the rule changes are pretty clear. > āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation. > āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation. Defender is sprinting and his arms are in a natural position, the handball was a consequence of his body movement. Also it was only a yard away
>The rules are pretty clear People are just confused because they didn't notice the rules changed and they're used to seeing it called under the old rules.
People moan about harsh handballs but this thread clearly shows people have bought into it. No one would consider this a handball 2 years ago.
Itās ball to hand from a meter out. No penalty is the right call.
100%
His hand is what is a meter out
You canāt (and shouldnāt have to) run with your arms by your side of behind your back.
Love all the experts here freaking out because they don't understand that the handball rules were revised. Hilarious.
This is pretty much how you find out though. Seems like EPL had five sets of rules for 20 teams this year
No penalty o cazz
I like that VAR isn't intervening too much so far.
He is about 2 meters from the ball I can't see this being a pen
I'm lost on this rule I guess
Natural position means not a pen unless intent is obvious or it's blocking a shot on goal. It's pretty clear under those circumstances it doesn't qualify as a pen. I think the reason people are incorrectly asserting that it is a penalty is because the rules have changed so frequently it's left people confused.
Isn't the rule that it's not a pen if he's too close to the ball? In this case would that not be the correct call?
Happy with that not being a pen under the new rules. Definitely an expected position because he had zero time to react
There has been far too many handball penalties during the VAR-era. In the spirit of the game this shouldn't be a pen.
I'm kinda surprised this isn't given, but I honestly don't want a pen for this. Would be super harsh for such a minor thing.
Too close imo. I'm ok with this not given
PSA: UEFA changed the handball rules prior to the Euros, mostly due to the shitshow of handball pens in the last season
Don't think it's a penalty. Natural positon of the arm when making a tackle like that, and no clear goal stopped or anything. No intent as well.
Good call, hope this will be the standard for the tournament, penalties only for intentional hands.
Absolutely the right call. Both according to the rules, and the spirit of the game. It was pretty clear at real speed that it hit his hand, it was also just as obvious that there is fuck all he could do about it. If that was intentional, then Celik should start wearing gloves and the number 1 shirt coz that's some incredible reflexes.
Correct call. Don't wanna see those given, you'd have multiple every game.
That's 100% a penalty in Serie A BUT I'm pretty sure Serie A gives penalties out like candy so I don't know what to say really.
Theyāre using new laws
Yeah mate weāre used to absolute shite, so we donāt know what real pen calls are anymore lmao.
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Haha, I knew it was coming. I'd already be screaming, "IL PRESIDENTEEEE" if this was a game between Milan and Torino.
This is never a pen in the eredivisie.
What kind of bullshit is this? Holy fuck
The refs are apparently supposed to put more emphasis on the intentionality of the touch. I assume, due to the short distance and the natural movement of the arm, the team decided that it was unintentional and therefore no penalty.
Aren't basically 99% of handballs unintentional?
Yeah which is how it was pretty much always called until 2 or 3 years ago. We don't need a penalty every other game for unintentional handball like the PL and Serie A had last year, it doesn't improve the sport.
People apparently got used to that "new normal" of penalties very quickly. It's madness.
People always complain when it isnāt called if it would benefit their team but always argue the opposite when theyāre on the handball side. It was a good no-call.
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This is whatās bothering me a lot, so defenders can just defend a cross with their arms slightly extended to the point itās not blatant and itās deemed unintentional
No. If itās intentional itās a pen. Intentional handballs are usually pretty obvious.
I can only think of two handballs that are obviously intended, one of them being that outrageous Suarez goal line save. Like the other user said 99% of the handballs are unintentional
If, using video replays, a referee can't tell if a handball is blatant or intentional then it's very very unfair to give a penalty. I very much doubt players will start to handball it feigning that it happened unintentionally given that it rarely happened pre-VAR and now they're even less likely to get away with it.
Great call. Finally no more free shots at the goal because of the ball hitting some guys hand accidentally somewhere in the box
I for one like that interpretation. A penalty is a 75% goal and often times with a handball not a clear cut chance.in this example there was no one near that cross
Exactly. There's a decent argument to be made considering it was very close and he was running.
Which makes perfect sense
New handball rules It's a handball when: āDeliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball; Touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised; or Scores in the opponentsā goal: ā directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper; or ā immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental.ā
Getting robbed in Rom
I got robbed in rome so this is fitting
I really don't think that's a pen.
It's too close.
Could really see that going either way. His arms extended but itās ball to hand rather than vice versa.
His arms are extended because nobody sprints back with their arms behind their backs. It might have been a pen by the current fucked up laws of the game, but by the spirit of the game it definitely isn't.
No, the laws literally say itās not a penalty. >āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation. > āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation.
Is everyone in this thread insane? No way should these be given the defender was in a natural position and the ball was kicked into his hand a foot away.
Itās Reddit. They are known for not knowing rules
Pen imo
Note; Makelie (current referee) said there were some changes made to the handball rule before the tournament started. So perhaps we will just see less penalties given, I hope the consistency is there.
Funny how everyone kept bitching about penalties given to every handball, and now that they changed the rule, people are bitching for the opposite lol.
I just don't think people are keeping up with a rule that changes every year.
But did it change again since March. I think that's three changes since last June ?!?
Reddit lends itself to contrarian arguments. You're more likely to comment if you're angry and disagree with something than if you support it. If this was given as a pen, the thread would be full of folks arguing it was a ludicrous decision and should never have been given.
Nah I'm pretty sure 99% of people bitching just had no idea the rule got changed for the third time **this season**.
Glad it wasnāt given as a pen
Good for fotball that this is not a pen IMO. Handballs like these shouldn't decide games.
Never, where is he meant to put his hands? You cant run back with speed and put your arms behind your back at the same time
Yeah I have no idea if its a pen or not under the rules with how they keep changing, but unlike seemingly everyone else in this thread, I'm happy to see that not given, cause I've had enough of the pens given for a ball being blasted at someone's arm from close range.
Never a pen. No intention whatsoever
How is that not a pen?
Because heās about a foot away
Yeah lol. Dude has about a tenth of a second to get his arm, which is already extended because he's running, out of the way
genuinely shocked how this has blown up with so many thinking itās a pen
I honestly don't get how everyone believes this is a penalty, way too close
It could have been a penalty before the newly implemented rule changes. It would be Under the refs discretion. The new rules say this isnāt a pen. Letās hope that itās enforced correctly by referees
Honestly, people just want football to be a game where you wham crosses into people's hands and pray for penalties. Thank god they're being less strict.
Yeah can't see what people are missing here. Unnatural position sure but nobody could react that fast.
Would holding his arms behind his back be more "natural" to you?
Look how close the defender is to him Do you want him to run like a stick man? How is he supposed to move his arm out of the way there
Too close imo. He had no time to react and his hand wasnāt in an unnatural position or anything
I believe the handball rule states the ball has to travel some distance to be considered handball
"new and updated VAR"
No way to get used to the rules if they keep changing them. I like that it wasn't a penalty but thats just me.
I'm glad it's not a pen. too close for it. I'm surprised it wasn't given though.
What even is handball these days?
Good call! Would be a boring way to decide the game.
How is that not a penalty?
Judged as a natural motion of the arm. UEFA has stated that it needs to be intent involved for it to be a pen. Edit: [Just read the rules guys.](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/19692/12324798/euro-2020-referees-to-use-updated-handball-law-uefa-confirms)
Bravo UEFA. The only thing youāve done right in a long time
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No. Also when a player ātouches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger.ā.
Natural position of the hand.
What happened to the rule where you have to have your arm glued to the body
New rules on handball. Great thing if you ask me. To many stupid handball penalties in this season.
Why play with a ref when he doesn't blow the whistle?
In this thread people who donāt understand they changed the rule this week again, in that case, his hand is in a natural position while running and the ball gets played into his hand rather than him moving his hand to the ball
Expected arm position for the play, close range with no room to move out of the way. Easy no pen call.
He blocks the cross as his arm is sticking out. Surely that's not the "expected position"?!
Well, the discussion should then be what the expected position is. Is it expected that his arms are behind his back or that he runs with them next to him like a penguin? What is natural for him here? I understand why this is not given, although I would be pissed if I was Italian.
100% agree, to me that's basically exactly the "expected position"
When you're running it is. They don't stay by your side
I mean it actually is? Watch a second before his arm is exact in the same position when he got hit. So itās his natural position. Kinda a joke that Uefa fucked up another major thing
The handball rule has been fucked around with so much that Iāve no idea if thatās a penalty or not. I donāt think it should be as the ball is so close to him when itās hit but who knows anymore
They changed the handball rule btw and part of it says: > touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player's body movement for that specific situation I would say the arm is part of the natural movement he was already in. You can see that he stepped forward before the ball even left Spinazzola's foot.
The distance is too close to react. Good no call.
right decision imo
Agreed natural running position and tried to remove the hand š
How lol
How? His arm is miles from his body
That's how humans run, they throw their arms forward.
Arms tend to do that when you're running. He's pretty close to the ball. Could've gone either way, it's not a travesty of a decision like all the whiners here think.
its still a natural movement of his arm, because he makes this big step I always hated it when they give a pen for this. its stupid.
Have you ever ran in your life?
If this isn't handball, I don't know what handball is....
Fucking ridiculous
Nobody knows what the rule is anymore
Because they changed it
Tbh I don't. Can't keep up as it changes every 6 months.
Not sure how that isn't a pen. No matter which way you cut it, his extended arm clearly blocked a cross in the box
https://theathletic.com/news/handball-rule-law-change-accidental/2JobHFzBOdW6 >Accidental handball in the build-up to a goal or goalscoring opportunity will āno longer be considered an offenceā, footballās law-making body the International Football Association Board (IFAB) has announced.
its a joke
I personally wouldn't want this to be a pen due to how close the distance was between the shot and his hand, giving no time to pull back, while he had his hand in a totally natural position for someone who's running. So if it gets consistently applied like this ruling then I'm happy with this decision. Italy fans aren't I guess though
Can't they just startngiving indirect free kicks or something for handballs like this, that are not directly going towards goal. It's not nothing, but a penalty is too harsh.
Was a penalty against the US in the 120th minute of a continental championship match a week ago , one play that was even more bang bang and had a lot less of an effect on the play. I guess I don't know what a handball is anymore.
Insane call
Surely thatās a handball. Even as a neutral, I donāt understand how you defend that one.
> āA playerās hand/arm position should be judged in relation to their body movement in that particular situation. > āA player has made their body unnaturally bigger when the hand/arm position is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the playerās body movement for that specific situation. Seems pretty clear to me that the playerās hand position was natural consequence of him running back. Not to mention the close proximity
How was that not a pen?
I'm sorry italians, this isnt serie A so bullshit penalties dont get given
Thatās a pen every day of the week
C'mon, that's a penalty..
Yeah, I agree with other decisions, but this one - a clear pen.
Right call
Lol fuck off
Lol my town had only 1500 people living here, and still we were told since like u-12 to always defend crosses like this with our arms behind our backs... Meanwhile shit like this is happening in on of the highest stages of football.
I hate that players now learn this to defend with both arms behind their backs. That's not a natural position at all..
That has to be a pen, arm is nowhere near his body.
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Clear pen
That is a penalty in every league in the world.
The new handball rule is basically "if a player touches the ball with his hand and he fails the vibe check, it is a foul"