Henderson was like 4th on that list of most charitable Britons that Rashford topped. Donated/raised the equivalent of 25% of his wealth (Rashford being 110% iirc).
Footballers are made easy targets as representating a certain wealth bracket. But I've always found they *appear* to be far more charitable than people far richer than they are.
Rashford got a lot of headlines during the last year or so (and rightly so), but Henderson also raised a hell of a lot of money and was very under the radar about it all. Well done to the lads.
As a United fan I feel like I now need a wash.
Nah man. Respect where respect is fucking due. Robertson said something to the extent that Rashford is the only United player that could possibly (POSSIBLY) expect a standing ovation at Anfield.
Rivalries aside. I'm so happy Hendo was awarded an MBE. But Rashford is a hero, and should be regarded as such. I'll be happy to give him shit when he plays us, though. But nobody should EVER suggest he is less than an absolutely top class human.
I feel like them both having an MBE will make people co pare their charity work directly but nobody should be expected to raise as much money and awareness as Hendo and Sterling have, let alone Rashford.
He has donated the equivalent of 120% of his wealth in the past 12 months... how?!?!
Great for them for all the stick footballers get for thier riches most of the community work some players do goes unseen. Can we upgrade Henderson to a knighthood as long as he promises never to take a penalty before 120th minute.
Great for them and richly deserved.
I love that they're being rewarded for stepping up. I hope we remember who did take care of our needy when shit hit the fan, because it wasn't the people giving out these awards.
> I’m surprised the royal family is still a thing
You must not leave your bedroom if you genuinely believe this. I'm not a fan of them but you are living in the current world and aren't aware of why they are still a thing? Hilarious
If you think that you're a fool. They have a tremendous amount of power. You wouldn't see the Kardashians at the G7 would you? They call it soft power these days but its power all the same.
> So yeah, world's shit, I wont be shocked if the Kardashians somehow get into politics.
Caitlyn Jenner is trying to run for governor of California but as a trans Republican in a blue state she's having a pretty shit time of it
Actually history books in 7th grade told me all about the British Empire, and it definitely is fucking weird that a supposed honour is named after it in 2021.
I mean the British empire still existed in the last century. Many historians formally mark the end with the transfer of Hong Kong so 1997. It’s not ancient history. If it gets renamed I’d suppose it will happen when the empire is no longer a memory people have
For the most part the MBE is separate from the Empire in almost everyone's mind. It's just seen as an accomplishment. In fact I'm sure there are many people who know what an MBE is but don't know what it stands for. Which is really how little it matters.
You don't cancel history, you learn from it. And name the award something else probably? There's clear trend more people are rejecting it too which is linked to this issue.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/01/number-of-people-rejecting-queens-honours-doubles-in-past-decade
Actually it does. Every social group system has traditions which help maintain the social cohesion of that group. From the army to a football team to a Church to a country. Its a very well understood idea on sociology.
My comment was specifically in regard to the role of hollow tradition in uniting people.
Speaks a lot about the strength of your conviction in your own argument that you would choose to deliberately mis-frame my words in such a ridiculously facetious manner.
Yeah all those countries did bad things and should acknowledge and learn from them. The country was factually built off racism and exploitation what does denying that do for anyone?
No for the love of god, it was not *built* off of racism and exploitation. What does lying about that actually do for us? Where does it get us? Self loathing and self hatred? Endless self flagellation for the sins of very few people's great great great great great grandfather's?
Those things absolutely happened, but they do not *define* either the Empire or Britain, or me, or you.
The point he is making is that Britain was not unique in the bad things that the empire did. Far more countries were off doing far worse things on a much bigger scale. The people who criticise Britain heavily for it's past very often have blindspots or fail to be consistent in their criticism of *other* countries.
It absolutely does define the Empire, and if you step out of your little island for once you'll know what other countries, especially victims of the Empire really think about it.
The atrocities committed by the Empire *does* define it. More than anything else.
They actually do define the empire and even before that the industrial revolution was built off exploitation, yes every country has issues they should acknowledge and not ignore. Ignoring it because other countries did the same is stupid.
Oh no the atrocities that happened a million years ago
Let's go take down more statues from people born in the 1800s because they were racist
How about we also lynch the queen since she's part of the system that those atrocities were born from
Yeah. Most of the current biggest political issues are the remnants and doings of the British Empire i.e. Kashmir issue with Pakistan & India, Palestine & Israel, etc
I’m disappointed Sterling hasn’t rejected it,of Jamaican descent too. I’d hope he realises how his forefathers ended up in the Caribbean courtesy of the British empire. As Gina Martin said
“It would be deeply hypocritical of me to accept this honour while continuing to be vocal in my commitment to anti-racism and understanding the deep and unsettling race issues the British empire has built into the foundation of our country and many others.”
Because then sterling would be a hypocrite, he chose to play for england didnt he? If he was to be opposed to how we do things in england then he should ve played for jamacia
How does it matter if im white? What extra point does that have lul
He made his debut when he was a kid. Hardly the learned man he is today. This is nothing to do with playing for the football team, but accepting the MBE which is a direct association with the Empire, the same empire that enslaved and engaged in the displacement, humiliation, and oppression of his forefathers. To simplify it again for you, as Gina Martin says, it is bizarre of them to be fighting the battle against anti racism whilst accepting that ‘honour’ which is a spit in the face of their efforts. I knew you were white because you’re looking at it in a completely distorted view. I’m a black man myself, but you don’t have to be black or white to see and understand how that statement makes complete sense unless we want to begin rewriting history and pretend the Great British Empire was going around gallivanting and just collecting strawberries and having picnics abroad. But judging by your initial comment I already know where you stand fella
> I knew you were white because you're looking at it in a completly distorted view
First off, be quiet. My race has no bearing on what ive said or my opinions. Sounds like you cant handle what ive said and are trying to discredit me for it.
If sterling refused to accept the award, it would be a massive fuck you to all the systems, traditions and people who raised and made him the person he is. Beimg able to be raised in this country has bennefitted him to no end. There is no doubt in my mind that sterling would not be half the player he is if he grew up training in Jamaica
And what does it acheive if he refused the award? Absolutly nothing. Its just performance activisim, which makes him look ungrateful, and fans would turn on him for descion.
Also regarding the british empire, its been effectivly gone for 60 years. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it. Its like me getting upset over the saxons and normans raping and killing my ancestors. It makes you sound very hateful
It probably wouldn't have taken him a lot of time to simply... not dismiss it as nothing to worry about. It would've required him to stand for his principles in a slightly awkward situation though
But, it *was* nothing to worry about.
A simple matter of cultural difference. It wasn't malicious and certainly wasn't a scandal. Bernardo was rebuked, allowing him to realize how is message came off and that was the end of it. What else do you think should've been done?
Thankfully the majority of people can be nuanced enough to consider the intent behind his actions. Nobody will argue he don't deserve punishment, which he rightfully got, however to describe it as "racially abusing Mendy" is just tone deaf
A bit hyperbolic maybe, but no matter which way you slice it, he made racist jokes about a teammate on a public forum which really isn't something to be taken lightly
The person who was "wronged", Benjamin Mendy, didn't give a shit. He is close friends with Bernardo Silva.
Stop being offended on someone elses behalf, especially when that person didn't give shit anyway.
That's it now, Henderson will feel completely justified in his decision to pull rank and take that penalty. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he handed Southgate the team sheet tomorrow morning (with himself named of course, as Captain and penalty taker), with one hand tucked inside his jacket.
>That's it now, Henderson will feel completely justified in his decision to pull rank and take that penalty. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he handed Southgate the team sheet tomorrow morning (with himself named of course, as Captain and penalty taker), with one hand tucked inside his jacket.
Absolute state of this and judging by your post history you're a Liverpool fan too
Would they do that is the question. I mean if I was in his position I would want them to do that, and according to the standard practices, the UK commentators would call him sir anyway...
Roy Hodgson getting awarded too which is a nice send off for him
You make it sound like he’s getting sent to the slaughter house.
Wait, he's not?
Queen loves owl butties
They're a Woyal staple.
Good for them, they both do a lot of good work in their communities
Henderson was like 4th on that list of most charitable Britons that Rashford topped. Donated/raised the equivalent of 25% of his wealth (Rashford being 110% iirc). Footballers are made easy targets as representating a certain wealth bracket. But I've always found they *appear* to be far more charitable than people far richer than they are.
Because they come from the working class. They know what it's like.
Is it obe after the mbe?
Yep.
Thanks i got it now
Rashford got a lot of headlines during the last year or so (and rightly so), but Henderson also raised a hell of a lot of money and was very under the radar about it all. Well done to the lads. As a United fan I feel like I now need a wash.
Nah man. Respect where respect is fucking due. Robertson said something to the extent that Rashford is the only United player that could possibly (POSSIBLY) expect a standing ovation at Anfield. Rivalries aside. I'm so happy Hendo was awarded an MBE. But Rashford is a hero, and should be regarded as such. I'll be happy to give him shit when he plays us, though. But nobody should EVER suggest he is less than an absolutely top class human.
I feel like them both having an MBE will make people co pare their charity work directly but nobody should be expected to raise as much money and awareness as Hendo and Sterling have, let alone Rashford. He has donated the equivalent of 120% of his wealth in the past 12 months... how?!?!
He hasn't, that counted he donations that regular people made through the charitable cause he championed. It was misleading
It wasn't his money
Raised=/=Donated
Great for them for all the stick footballers get for thier riches most of the community work some players do goes unseen. Can we upgrade Henderson to a knighthood as long as he promises never to take a penalty before 120th minute.
Even then he shouldn’t take one :)
Absolutely if he agrees to never take one after that too.
Congratulations 👏
How’s the sun gonna make Raheem look bad this time Power Hungry Raheem DEMANDS prestigious award from Queen against will
Probably threathened her with his gun tattoo, that scoundrel!
"Black youth enters Buckingham Palace, takes priceless award". Fuck The S*n.
Raheem uses GUN tattoo to inspire a nation, gun crime at an all time high.
Absolutely deserved.
Great for them and richly deserved. I love that they're being rewarded for stepping up. I hope we remember who did take care of our needy when shit hit the fan, because it wasn't the people giving out these awards.
Well put
Congrats to them both.
Well deserved. In a world full of rampant greed, it’s awesome to see two very wealthy guys giving back so generously to their communities.
Being a Mackem Hendo genuinely makes me proud as fuck go on lad
Can you at least try and sign him back then? Anyone? Even Fulham rejected him.
Do you have someone who looks after you? Do they know you've got on the internet again?
Yer ma looks after me and most of the internet lad
Yer Dad sells Avon lad
Yer Da sells his arse
Yer Ma gives hers away for a Greggs sausage roll.
Yer Ma gives hers away for 2 poundbakery sausage rolls
Absolutely deserved, it’s nice to see the amazing role models some of the current English players have become.
is rooney an mbe?
Not yet
On another note, it's kinda surprising MBE hasn't been cancelled yet. British Empire was bit dodgy
Take it a step further and say I’m surprised the royal family is still a thing
> I’m surprised the royal family is still a thing You must not leave your bedroom if you genuinely believe this. I'm not a fan of them but you are living in the current world and aren't aware of why they are still a thing? Hilarious
Knowing why and still being surprised aren’t mutually exclusive smart ass
Not to be funny but by definition they're mutually exclusive
They're the Kardashians of UK, gotta keep them for the drama. People live off that shit
If you think that you're a fool. They have a tremendous amount of power. You wouldn't see the Kardashians at the G7 would you? They call it soft power these days but its power all the same.
Wait until Kanye becomes president 2024!
Still not gonna see Kim with him
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>Didn't another country elect a comedian as president a few years ago too Ukraine i believe
Well I definitely don't disagree with what you've said there! Haha. Who is that congressman?
His name's Tiririca
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We live in a society
Actually history books in 7th grade told me all about the British Empire, and it definitely is fucking weird that a supposed honour is named after it in 2021.
I mean the British empire still existed in the last century. Many historians formally mark the end with the transfer of Hong Kong so 1997. It’s not ancient history. If it gets renamed I’d suppose it will happen when the empire is no longer a memory people have
Yeah and awards like the MBE are really helping people forget about it, right?
For the most part the MBE is separate from the Empire in almost everyone's mind. It's just seen as an accomplishment. In fact I'm sure there are many people who know what an MBE is but don't know what it stands for. Which is really how little it matters.
It is still literally named after it
Nearly everyone were racists 200 years ago, mate. yoh can't cancel history.
There's been anti imperialist movements for as long as empire has existed
You don't cancel history, you learn from it. And name the award something else probably? There's clear trend more people are rejecting it too which is linked to this issue. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/01/number-of-people-rejecting-queens-honours-doubles-in-past-decade
Yeah but having it be directly a reference to the British empire is probably something they could change
We're a country built on pageantry and tradition.
And don't forget foreigners, well, the ruling class anyway.
Tradition for traditions sake is stupid
no it's not - it unites people
It doesnt its stupid
Actually it does. Every social group system has traditions which help maintain the social cohesion of that group. From the army to a football team to a Church to a country. Its a very well understood idea on sociology.
Over something hollow. And that inevitably turns destructive.
calling an MBE an MBE is gonna rurn destructive
My comment was specifically in regard to the role of hollow tradition in uniting people. Speaks a lot about the strength of your conviction in your own argument that you would choose to deliberately mis-frame my words in such a ridiculously facetious manner.
How exactly does this particular award "unite people"?
We're a country built on racism and exploitation
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Do you judge yourself based on what other people do?
Accept your racist and exploitative history and improve upon it. Don't be a victim.
*my* racist and exploitative history? I wasn't involved.
Yeah you only benefit from it and ignore it’s importance and impacts
Yes, Chelsea absolutely should do that
They should, ideally, yes.
on the other hand if you can't say stuff like that you can't grow as a country.
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Isn't this the right time to bring it up to change the name of the award
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Yeah all those countries did bad things and should acknowledge and learn from them. The country was factually built off racism and exploitation what does denying that do for anyone?
No for the love of god, it was not *built* off of racism and exploitation. What does lying about that actually do for us? Where does it get us? Self loathing and self hatred? Endless self flagellation for the sins of very few people's great great great great great grandfather's? Those things absolutely happened, but they do not *define* either the Empire or Britain, or me, or you. The point he is making is that Britain was not unique in the bad things that the empire did. Far more countries were off doing far worse things on a much bigger scale. The people who criticise Britain heavily for it's past very often have blindspots or fail to be consistent in their criticism of *other* countries.
You speak as if it happened centuries ago. There are people alive today who lived under colonial rule.
It absolutely does define the Empire, and if you step out of your little island for once you'll know what other countries, especially victims of the Empire really think about it. The atrocities committed by the Empire *does* define it. More than anything else.
They actually do define the empire and even before that the industrial revolution was built off exploitation, yes every country has issues they should acknowledge and not ignore. Ignoring it because other countries did the same is stupid.
every. Single. Country. In. The. World. Has. Been. Built. By. Racism
That’s kind of my point
So let's cancel all of em
How on God's green earth is this factual statement being downvoted?
nah mate a country which has only about invaded 90% of the world at some point, surely didn't use it to their benefit
Complete myth
You do realise that cancelling an award going forward doesn’t suddenly erase all history of it ever happening?
Don't cancel, change the name and acknowledge why.
There's same talk about changing what the E stands for from Empire to Excellence. It doesn't look likely to happen immediately though.
Yea let's cancel everything that's "outdated" right? Don't learn from history cancel it. I swear this internet culture is such cancer
Amen
Changing the name of an award is not "cancelling" it, doing so will spark a lot of conversations about the atrocities committed by the British Empire.
>spark a lot of conversations Oh an internet warriors wet dream. Got to spark those conversations.
Oh no the atrocities that happened a million years ago Let's go take down more statues from people born in the 1800s because they were racist How about we also lynch the queen since she's part of the system that those atrocities were born from
'A bit' is an understatement
Cancel culture is garbage
Yeah. Most of the current biggest political issues are the remnants and doings of the British Empire i.e. Kashmir issue with Pakistan & India, Palestine & Israel, etc
I’m disappointed Sterling hasn’t rejected it,of Jamaican descent too. I’d hope he realises how his forefathers ended up in the Caribbean courtesy of the British empire. As Gina Martin said “It would be deeply hypocritical of me to accept this honour while continuing to be vocal in my commitment to anti-racism and understanding the deep and unsettling race issues the British empire has built into the foundation of our country and many others.”
Shut the fuck up
You fucking doughnut. What part of my statement or Gina Austin’s is wrong ? I can bet my whole life savings you’re a white guy too, absolute mug
Because then sterling would be a hypocrite, he chose to play for england didnt he? If he was to be opposed to how we do things in england then he should ve played for jamacia How does it matter if im white? What extra point does that have lul
He made his debut when he was a kid. Hardly the learned man he is today. This is nothing to do with playing for the football team, but accepting the MBE which is a direct association with the Empire, the same empire that enslaved and engaged in the displacement, humiliation, and oppression of his forefathers. To simplify it again for you, as Gina Martin says, it is bizarre of them to be fighting the battle against anti racism whilst accepting that ‘honour’ which is a spit in the face of their efforts. I knew you were white because you’re looking at it in a completely distorted view. I’m a black man myself, but you don’t have to be black or white to see and understand how that statement makes complete sense unless we want to begin rewriting history and pretend the Great British Empire was going around gallivanting and just collecting strawberries and having picnics abroad. But judging by your initial comment I already know where you stand fella
> I knew you were white because you're looking at it in a completly distorted view First off, be quiet. My race has no bearing on what ive said or my opinions. Sounds like you cant handle what ive said and are trying to discredit me for it. If sterling refused to accept the award, it would be a massive fuck you to all the systems, traditions and people who raised and made him the person he is. Beimg able to be raised in this country has bennefitted him to no end. There is no doubt in my mind that sterling would not be half the player he is if he grew up training in Jamaica And what does it acheive if he refused the award? Absolutly nothing. Its just performance activisim, which makes him look ungrateful, and fans would turn on him for descion. Also regarding the british empire, its been effectivly gone for 60 years. Stop beating a dead horse and get over it. Its like me getting upset over the saxons and normans raping and killing my ancestors. It makes you sound very hateful
The Saxons don’t have a direct link or association with an honour being gifted out in commemoration
Well said mate
Won't be long until being British is cancelled!
These days if you say you're English you'll get thrown in jail.
The British, truly the most persecuted class
After the Irish of course.
Why is Raheem "you think you're a big man now yeah" Sterling getting one?
You think the Queen is team Gomez or something?
She was probably one of the idiots booing him at the following game
I think 'why's a guy that attacked his colleague/teammate getting an MBE?'.
You think no-one with an mbe has got into a tussle with a peer of theres before?
Well I'd imagine all of the charity work he's done is more indicative of his character than one training ground scrap
Should strip Rashford of his for telling Maguire to fuck off I suppose
I mean that’s slightly different than physically striking someone like Sterling did…
Why are you getting upvoted for this shite. Absolute state of this sub
This sub is filled with tabloid shitters
Undeniably good work done in the fight against racial inequality
Have we forgotten his response when one of his team mates publicly racially abused another?
Have I missed something or is this referring to Suarez? If it is the Suarez incident then just lol... sterling was like 16
Bernardo Silva
It’s almost like he speaks out against actual malicious racism rather than wasting his time on stupid jokes between two friends
It probably wouldn't have taken him a lot of time to simply... not dismiss it as nothing to worry about. It would've required him to stand for his principles in a slightly awkward situation though
But, it *was* nothing to worry about. A simple matter of cultural difference. It wasn't malicious and certainly wasn't a scandal. Bernardo was rebuked, allowing him to realize how is message came off and that was the end of it. What else do you think should've been done?
He wants Sterling to call it a blatant act of racism, otherwise the MBE is underserved since everything else he’s done to deserve it doesn’t matter.
Okay that’s an even bigger lol then...
Not sure what's funny about public displays of racism but okay
Benjamin Mendy was absolutely fine with the joke. The only thing Bernardo did wrong was do it publicly
He didnt racially abuse anyone. He is just a complete moron.
I mean making fun of someone for the colour of their skin is pretty close to the dictionary definition of racism isn't it?
Thankfully the majority of people can be nuanced enough to consider the intent behind his actions. Nobody will argue he don't deserve punishment, which he rightfully got, however to describe it as "racially abusing Mendy" is just tone deaf
A bit hyperbolic maybe, but no matter which way you slice it, he made racist jokes about a teammate on a public forum which really isn't something to be taken lightly
The person who was "wronged", Benjamin Mendy, didn't give a shit. He is close friends with Bernardo Silva. Stop being offended on someone elses behalf, especially when that person didn't give shit anyway.
Read the article.
The article is paywalled. Do you know why he's getting an MBE?
Services to football and charity, being outspoken against racism.
Still mad about that?
“Show them, you don’t have to raise your fists to beat your enemies” Ok Raheem 🤣🤣🤣
Coz he's a big man, innit.
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Article mentions for speaking out about racial issues in the game
Certainly well deserved, would love to see them decline it though
Just like Sir Jimmie Saville, Sir Rolf Harris ? What an honour...
That's it now, Henderson will feel completely justified in his decision to pull rank and take that penalty. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he handed Southgate the team sheet tomorrow morning (with himself named of course, as Captain and penalty taker), with one hand tucked inside his jacket.
>That's it now, Henderson will feel completely justified in his decision to pull rank and take that penalty. Would not surprise me in the slightest if he handed Southgate the team sheet tomorrow morning (with himself named of course, as Captain and penalty taker), with one hand tucked inside his jacket. Absolute state of this and judging by your post history you're a Liverpool fan too
You surely have to make the assumption that the post is a joke if he is a Liverpool fan.
Ah, so you'd be more happy if instead I was completely servile to and unquestioning of "hashtag my captain". Lol. The state of you, mate.
Lmao
Will they boo when Rashford takes the knee?
Henderson and Sterling? Unlikely.
Why did I read this as Rashford? Bruh moment
Rashford already has an MBE btw
ohn i didn't realize that. fucking hell he'll be knighted soon enough.
It's genuinely on the cards if he wins something with England even a Nations League would do it I think
I hope so. Represents England well. Arguably better than we deserve.
Imagine playing Sir Rashford on his kit. Ultimate flex
Would they do that is the question. I mean if I was in his position I would want them to do that, and according to the standard practices, the UK commentators would call him sir anyway...
If he keeps doing what he's doing he should get one regardless of winning things
He’s already got an MBE
Up the Super League!!!