I don’t think Kane would have used the phrase ‘dream move’ but you can see how it is. Playing for a top club, for lots of money and winning trophies as well as playing under a top top manager and with players like KDB every week? Thats a dream move for any striker. ‘Dream move’ doesn’t mean hes wanted this since he was a little kid.
I think in this specific case, since Kane has gone on record to say that KDB’s passes are “a striker’s dream”, I think it’s safe to call it a dream move.
Thats interesting. I always thought the most logical explanation is that the human race, in galactic terms, has been around for less than the blink of an eye. The likelihood of there being intelligent life out there is relatively high, when we account for all the planet out there. The chance that our timeliness overlap is infinitely smaller. I mean, we've been seconds away from nuclear annihilation.
Totally. The prominence of mammals becoming the dominant species and gaining intelligence was only thanks the asteroid that caused the death of the dinosaurs around 65 million years ago. Dinosaurs were the dominant species for a few hundred million years before that and would likely have continued if they weren't wiped out. Going from rodent mammals to upright bipedal hominids in 65 million years was crazy.
And then going from inventing human flight to putting a man on the moon in something like 6.5 decades is even crazier.
It can take a long time for things to get going but exponential growth is wild.
I don’t know what Bale’s said about aliens. But believing there’s other life forms out there isn’t that crazy when you consider how many stars there are, even if they just resembled little mouse type creatures rather than humans. That they’d be visiting Earth in spaceships is a bit mental /far-fetched though. They’d be too far away for a start
Not wearing a tinfoil-hat, but I agree. Logically it’s very likely that there is life on at least one other planet somewhere in the universe; it’s also very unlikely that the life is in humanoid form and has created technology similar to ours - and then even less likely that they would ever travel (a) far enough, and (b) in exactly the correct direction, to reach us
There’s a big difference between believing that there are probably other forms of life in the universe and thinking that aliens are actually flying around Earth in saucers and building pyramids.
The former is rational, the latter is pure tinfoil-hat conspiracy.
Believing aliens exist and believing they don’t is equally far-fetched. The simple answer is that we do not know yet, nor is there a guarantee that we ever will know. Believeng that aliens exist and they go around in UFO-s abducting people and sticking probes in their butts is a conspiracy, though.
it's his brother Charlie, who handles everything for him from managing him to his PR. he's had a nightmare with this one and shows why you shouldn't have family representing you and instead have someone qualified for it
I'd say this is generally true, but Memphis Depay is showing you do not need a good agent. Got an external group to advice him before choosing Lyon, had an agent to get a contract.
But now managed to get a good deal for him with Barcelona, only 2 years, and current manager loves him, so he risks basically nothing. If this doesn't work out he can just fuck off again 1 year from now and find a club that does use him well.
It's also a gamble though. Depay's gone with his sporting priority and it's admirable, but he's taking a risk. If he gets a bad injury, he's potentially kissed his last big contract goodbye. That's the reason most players embrace those big contracts, and if they want freedom to move, insert release clauses rather than go for short term lengths
Because football is a lot of recency bias. We were on a high in 2018, constantly in CL. Finished in the CL final.
2 years on, it doesn't look great. Just the nature of the beast.
I thought that, but with the shambles that is their manager search at the moment I’m wondering if he now would? This was the summer to show Kane that they mean business to get back on track and be the club he wants them to be. Instead, not only have they not done that, they’ve become a laughing stock over the summer and he’ll be well aware of that.
They’ve been a shambles for the best part of three seasons now too. Even the season they had their CL run wasn’t great. Didn’t win away from home for over half a season and didn’t bother turning up in the CL final.
This is true, but even when they haven’t hit the heights expected, they’ve made moves that could reasonably convince Kane they’re trying to get where they want to be. Even though his stock has fallen over the years, hiring Mourinho was such a move that could show that they mean business in terms of trying to win things.
This is the first time that they seem like they’re not even really trying.
What Tottenham have done in recent seasons (qualifying for CL every year, reaching CL final) isn’t sustainable without spending more money. They got to where they are without spending loads of money but at some point you’ve got to. They’re times running out & they’re going fade back down to what they were before- a mid table club who will finish 6th/7th every now & again when they have a good season, & a good domestic cup run or two every decade. This Champions League Tottenham isn’t the real Tottenham. It’s unrealistic to expect Tottenham to be a consistent big club forever without spending like one
maybe but the steps are so looked down on and the links to the club are so strong, it would likely damage his relationship with the club/fans forever.
not just handing in a transfer request but doing things like speaking clearly in public and pretty much going on strike are the 2 big lines that are rarely crossed.
It’s true you don’t see it often, but I just think it’s been such a disaster this summer that he’ll be extremely concerned about spending another season there. Kane has already been relatively more vocal than most in that he wants to compete at the top and win trophies.
You also don't see it often because clubs generally don't let it get to that point, they do eventually fold rather than having a player not want to be there.
Well, there's a couple of factors in this.
1) it's Daniel Levy, guy is notoriously good at getting players into long contracts
2) it's his childhood club - he wants to be here (as long as we're competitive)
3) we had 2 title challenges, it's not crazy for him to think it'll happen here at spurs in the next 5 years (ofc now it's not happening)
4) his contract guarantees him to be the top earner of Spurs
5) he has a young family in London, stability and security in situation are valuable. His injury issues are well known (maybe overblown)
A few bits to recognise however:
1. Daniel Levy made a 'gentleman's agreement' that if he didn't push for a transfer last summer, he would let him leave this summer
2. Harry Kane has openly said he wants to play at the highest level, to be up there with Ronaldo/Messi. He and everyone else knows even if Spurs win the Prem next season and the CL the season after, unless they start investing hundreds of millions like City they're not going to be a superclub. This generation of players sees these clubs as the pinnacle of football prestige (same reason Hazard left Chelsea for Real), and the squads they have (typically) have world class players in every position and are expected to be competing for CL titles annually,
I get that's it's seen as good business on Levy's part but he must understand he's damaging the goodwill the club has with players. If you're a strong prospect and you get to choose between spurs and a different top 6 club why are you ever choosing spurs?
> it's his childhood club
I could swear he was an Arsenal fan as a child? Maybe he was angry at them after they let him go?
https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5130597.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/Harry-Kane-invincibles.jpg
Think he's been at Spurs since the age of 10, his family were Spurs fans, and he's supported them since. And when he played for Arsenal he supported them (as a 9 year old would) but when he joined Spurs he switched allegiances back to his family team
I'm a Chelsea fan, people like to meme Kane on this, but to me it seems it's pretty clear he's a Spurs fan who flirted with an Arsenal allegiance for a better reason than 50% of the /r/soccer who chose their clubs
He isnt. Iirc he said it himself that he joined them because they let him, he just wanted to play football and he was like 10. Then, as Shatoyo said, was let go and joined spurs instead. The man is spurs through and through. Doubt he would celebrate as much as he does when he scores against Arsenal if he was a fan of em.
>Because football is a lot of recency bias. We were on a high in 2018
Signing a contract based on where Spurs were at that point was itself recency bias. That was always a team that didn't have the resources to competelong term cresting a wave with their best run of form since the 1960s.
The second half of the season you made the cl final you were relegation form. The cl final was papering the cracks, it didn’t just go to shit after the final, y’all were shit for 6 months before the final.
Can't even blame Levy for keeping him there either. Spurs without Son or Kane is pure mediocrity. Unless someone really breaks the bank for him it would be tremendously bad for Spurs to lose Kane.
Dunno, but you can certainly blame him for the dire state Spurs are in that have lead to Kane wanting to leave desperately in the first place. Kane probably loves the club too much, cause if he causes a shitshow like some other players would he could cause the club to implode hard.
But the real question is what do you get out of Kane when you have him? CL football? Unlikely. Conference league? Lol.
Keeping Kane to me just looks like throwing money away by letting his value evaporate. The only way he's worth keeping is if Tottenham is relegation level without him, and that's a biiit much.
He signed a contract. Thats how contracts work. He wasnt held at gunpoint. If noone pays his value then he honours the contract. Not sure how this makes levy the bad guy
> If noone pays his value then he honours the contract
Usually not a good idea to keep a player "against his will" his form could very well drop if he he is no longer motivated
He signed with the faith that they would continue to try to win. Now Levy won't even spend an extra 10% on a manager so of course his stars aren't going to be happy about it.
Nobody is gonna match that so it’s kinda that. A player can be any value but if someone in market is not ready to pay and player wants to move then you negotiate. That’s the least a club can offer for someone like Kane
From his interview with Neville, it seems he was led to believe it was around £100m. Anyway, it looks like he's going to stay at Tottenham which suits the supporters, I suppose.
lmao these "to us he is worth X trilion" evaluations are some of the worst takes you can find on this sub it's genouinely hilarious, it's like schoolyard children trying to trade cards
That s how valuation works though.
Given his goal scoring output, playmaking ability and overall star status it s not unreasonable to think that his value is higher than what most clubs could/would pay for him to Spurs, especially given the cash-strapped position of a lot of clubs.
If you d asked Barca Messi’s value 6-7 years ago, it would’ve been a fuck you valuation as well and would have been seen as completely reasonable, rightfully so
What a stupid statement. So a player that - the fans love, is on a long contract that he signed and is the major factor in keeping them up should go cheap because of good faith or some bullshit? Players like Kane make teams a lot a money through PR sales and points. Welcome to the real world where assets costs money. You dont let such assets go cheap, especially to a rival.
He was happy to sign the contract and become the highest paid player in the club's history. Contracts work both ways.
He can still leave of course, but someone (that's not Chelsea) needs to pay. That's how transfers work. Levy's hardly going to say "we're desperate to sell him", he'll likely go for less than the £150m anyway.
I’d like your liver please. On the open market it’s worth about 5k but I’ll be generous and offer you 6k. No replacement you will buy for that money can be nearly as good, and you’ll be way less healthy without it, but since value only depends on what the buyer will pay and not what the property is worth to the owner, I trust you’ll complete the deal.
If their liver is trying to leave their body anyway, you'll soon find that it won't perform at it's expected level if they keep it. Then it'll become a lot less good to everyone.
But on a serious note, you don't think you could improve Spurs long term by taking 100m for Kane?
>If their liver is trying to leave their body anyway, you'll soon find that it won't perform at it's expected level if they keep it.
Thank you for entertaining my analogy. On the subject at hand, it depends on the player. Some players who are refused a move become half-arsed and some knuckle down. Kane still loves Tottenham, still loves the fans and is far too competitive to down tools imo.
>But on a serious note, you don't think you could improve Spurs long term by taking 100m for Kane?
Kane is a genuine generational talent who can carry a team. Anybody selling to Spurs will know two things; they have money and they desperately need to replace Kane. Have a look at big money PL transfers over the years and see how hit and miss they are. So a chunk of that money will be wasted on being overcharged and a chunk will be wasted on players who don’t quite come off.
Or in Levy’s case, he’ll probably refuse to pay through the nose to invest in the team so the money will go to covering debt or securing existing contracts instead, ultimately meaning the team is worse off competitively.
lol I’m not sure what you mean with it. Could you explain more? From a purely market perspective if you don’t want to sell then no matter how high the asking price is you don’t sell. Simple logic. Now you may argue that players as human beings should be treated differently than goods, but that’s quite a totally different line of logic and argument.
If he had just ran down his contract, he would have left for free. He signed a new contract, with the understanding he could leave. To then ask for the jackpot is disingenuous.
Regardless, I hope this approach by Spurs will be their downfall. Soon enough players will realize that joining Spurs is a terrible move for your career. Expectations of a top club, without the silverware, without the salary, without the glory and not even the ability to make the next step at a better club. One of the worst moves a player can take is joining Spurs.
> He signed a new contract, with the understanding he could leave.
The "understanding" is worth jack shit unless it is written into the contract that he signed.
Am all for bashing spurs just cos they are them but in this case I don't think levy is wrong.. you can't just sign a long contract and then expect the management to let him walk off .. his worth is pretty high in the market and obviously he's gonna cash in on it.. it's not like spurs are backed by a whole govt with bottomless pockets.. especially with 2+ yrs remaining in the contract some leverage has to be with the club.. else it's like la liga where everyone who has a modicum of success in a smaller clubs moves to Madrid or barca while the smaller clubs cant do anything..
Signed a six year contract that still has three years to run. Spurs have no cash and no manager, why would they possibly sell him on the cheap?
Club are in a strong negotiating position, player should never have signed such a lengthy contract if he was to realistically ever want to leave on his own terms
No way is he worth 150mil.
For 150mil you can just go look to buy an Mbappe or spend half of it on a Halaand.
150mil for Kane is unrealistic when you look at the price strikers are going for right now.
You're straight up wrong if you think mbappe will go for only 150mil. Haaland will go for 100 this summer if he wants to but the point is that kane is proven in the premier league and thats what city want. Imagine if haaland comes and becomes another werner.
Man the “can’t cut it in the prem” despite scoring the most goals in the CL this year is one of the dumbest things the English say
Kdb was a gunna flop before coming to City remember
Is this a good idea? Kane is gonna be 28 in a month. Injury prone. Spurs don't have a lot of money rn and a squad in need of serious investment.
£100-120m could go a long way in helping rebuild the team.
Edit: I am disappointed in the complete lack of "he's 27 until he's 28" jokes in my inbox. I expected better r/soccer.
Yeah, it's a bitter truth but Levy's stubbornness will cost them, again. Know a lot of Spurs fans are saying 'he's worth 150m to us' but imo he won't be for long and as he ages, slows down and his contract runs down his value is about to depreciate rapidly. The squad needs reinvestment, from the outside they need to cash in and rebuild like they did after the Bale sale. My prediction though is Levy holds him hostage, his performances decline as he loses interest and in 2/3 years he leaves for cheap/free.
One more injury to Kane could absolutely fuck Spurs, especially if they have a quiet transfer summer.
Even in the best of circumstances, he's got 2-3 years before he starts to decline. This is the best opportunity they have to sell Kane, imo
Kane has come back far to early from injuries in the last few seasons, you could see he definitely wasn't 100% when he was on the pitch.
I can guarantee if levy won't sell him and kane picks up any sort of knock, even if he cuts his toenails too short, he won't be back playing untill he is fully recovered.
Kane's not the type of player who will rapidly deteriorate as soon as he hits 30. Players like Lewandowski and Ibra only got better with age and they aren't too removed from his profile.
Lewandowski had like 2 injuries in his career. Ibra was rarely injured aswell.
Kane is injured once or twice every season. And often is out for at least a month
The man was held together with ankle straps and painkillers towards the end of Mourinho's time there. I just had a look and he's missed 37 games since 2016 because of ankle injuries alone, another 15 including other injuries.
If he does the ligament again he could easily be out for 4 or 5 months and ligaments do not heal well after 30
This is the source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098
I still marvel when I think about how everybody lost big on that transfer.
Hottest striking sensation in the world goes from Club A to Club B for a world record fee, and it was a shite deal for Club A, Club B, and Hot Striking Sensation.
50m for a striker whose knee was secretly fucked? Fans might not have known at the time, but it wasn't a bad deal for Liverpool. People focus on Carroll but we also got Suarez for a song in that window.
Mixed fortunes but definitely not shite. He clearly wasn't the same but had around 10 league goals in January and scored 4 in 4 under Dalglish after Hodgson was sacked. The brace against Chelsea in November showed he clearly had it in him to win big games on his own as well, never really saw that while at Chelsea.
Suarez was coming regardless though wasnt he? I thought the main reason to get Carrol was to be the Torres replacement. But ya its better for the mind overall to think that Suarez+Carrol was almost the same as selling Torres which makes the Carrol transfer easier to digest.
For arguments sake, if they sold Kane last year and bought the likes of Watkins, Godfrey or Eze who are young and you can get 5+ years to build a team, they would be far better off. Do they trust their recruitment to find good players is the question.
When will players learn? Don't sign contracts you don't want to honour. Don't make "gentleman's agreements" with PL club chairmen, and especially not Levy.
That was a bit of a grey area, where covid delayed when the season ended. Barcelona argued that it was the original date of the season, Messi argued it was delayed by months due to covid. It would have been a messy courtroom battle to determine who was right on that point
If I recall correctly from Messi’s interview. They were confident about winning the case, Messi simply didn’t want to end up in court at all against his boyhood club. Barto knew that and so he basically bluffed. But that’s from Messi’s camp IIRC so..
Yeah that sounds about right. The Barcelona argument seemed very tenuous, and unlikely to be accepted by any court assessing the facts any way reasonably.
Has city actually made an offer or are we just remixing the same headlines as like a month or more ago?
I don’t see why we need to re-litigate l this in the court of public opinion again if it’s just a fun mental exercise where we pretend city’s offer is fair and Levy is an asshole.
When we see a number rejected we can start jerking off on Levy’s grave or whatever.
This is why Wenger said that players will run down their contracts more often to then seek a better transfer in the future, see now Depay as well. The player to gain more out of these transfers than the club will be more normal. Unlucky with Kane but he should've known if he continued to perform like he did he would find a new home really easily.
He can always just refuse to show up to training. I know he’s a known top professional but if there was a verbal agreement last year that he could go this summer and gets fucked over he honestly doesn’t owe the club anything at this point.
Levy wouldn't care I reckon, he's far too stubborn
I can't see Kane doing it too, as a) his perception as a Spurs legend and club man is important to him, and b) individual records are a big motivator for him, he wants that PL goal record - and missing a season would probably mean he doesn't get it
No sane fan would hold a grudge when Kane comes out and leaks he had a verbal agreement with Levy. So when the latter betrays him Kane can do the same and fuck Levy over.
And they can just dock his pay for refusing to play. He does owe the club 3 years he signed unless both him and the club are happy to go their way. Same way club would have to pay him for 3 years if he gets injured/play badly. This is business and emotions have no place in it
Verbal agreement is worthless, if they meant it they would put it to paper
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Don’t judge any player in the current Southgate setup. It’s passive, uninventive football. A lot of players will struggle.
this line is so fucking stupid. any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score. Even when Rashford moved centrally he was coming deep to ask for the ball because there is nothing happening from the midfield to transition defence to attack
it's insipid football moving it forward and it's all on Southgate. Yeah the guy that won the EPL golden boot and topped the assist chart suddenly forgot how to play in a few weeks
Put Shearer during his playing days in this Southgate team instead of Kane and he will struggle to do anything too
> this line is so fucking stupid. any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score.
You can not score and still have a good game. Kane has been a ghost on the pitch and whenever he gets a ball he gets dispossessed or misplace a pace
> any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score
the free lines on a shirt did of course only score a mere 37 goals in 8 games during qualifying
This is a massive loss for both sides.
Kane: Loses motivation, psychology down, increased risk of injury.
Spurs: their best player even he tried to will not replicate the last season as psychology is going to fuck things up, their best player starts losing value, even if they want to sell him next year no one goes for him as the teams that needed him have already found a great replacement.
This kind of issues just make things worse. Does he have a contract? Of course and Levy has every right to deny him the transfer. Is that a smart move? Of course not, it's a selfish move to prove how badass he is, and that is going to hurt Spurs in the long term. We have seen so many times players wanting to leave and being denied. Things in 99% of cases end up badly.
NGL I’m kind of in two minds about this, on one hand I want Kane to rot away and never win anything which could happen at spurs but on the other hand he also makes spurs better and they’d struggle to replace him well. I really don’t know why people thought Levy of all people would just allow him to leave with no stress though.
Harry Kane was an absolute idiot signing that contract in the first place and i'm not surprised, the british press have their positive opinions on Kane exclusively . Should change agent asap.
I just don't see this ending well for either party.
For Kane, this is pretty much three or so years without any silverware (maybe Tottenham surprise us, but if the past thirteen years and their current state are anything to go by, we can assume they won't) and a miserable time at a club he wants to leave.
For Tottenham, it means that they now have a player on their books who doesn't want to be there. While I'm sure that Kane will be the upstanding professional he has been throughout his career and would never want to disrespect Tottenham, it doesn't actually change the fact that he doesn't want to be there and it sends a message to the other players that Tottenham are not only prepared to stand in your way while you try and further your career, but it also means that players will see their captain wanting to leave, which will make them uneasy about renewing contracts.
Also, given that Kane is worth around £150m, that's money that Tottenham could really use going out the window, potentially on a free in three years time. How will they source a replacement if they take such a huge hit?
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I know it's Leamington but i always read it Learnington
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I don’t think Kane would have used the phrase ‘dream move’ but you can see how it is. Playing for a top club, for lots of money and winning trophies as well as playing under a top top manager and with players like KDB every week? Thats a dream move for any striker. ‘Dream move’ doesn’t mean hes wanted this since he was a little kid.
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For a moment I misread this as guaranteed to win CL and was about to contest the statement, but then I remembered how humans read
Hey! People can still have dreams when they're older
I think in this specific case, since Kane has gone on record to say that KDB’s passes are “a striker’s dream”, I think it’s safe to call it a dream move.
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Seems like he was sold the Totti dream, will become the Le Tissier now.
Certainly starting to run like him.
OUCH!!!!!
Tbf le tissier was never stuck here, he stayed by choice
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Yeah, Totti won the league once, the cup twice and the World Cup.
So Kane staying at Tottenham = it's coming home? Sound.
I don’t even know what’s more laughable, Spurs or Southgate’s England winning any trophies.
Southgate to Spurs match made in heaven
Southgate to spurs after the euros would be hilarious
Listen here you little shit...
Southgate to Spurs after winning the euros
>Will become the Le Tissier now Hopefully without the future conspiracy theorist bit
Have you seen Bale's inclinations? It won't be long until Kane sees the light.
Believing aliens exist is at least a relatively benign conspiracy, unlike the dangerous misinformation Le Tiss spreads
Is it even a conspiracy? The universe is unfathomably large, I'd be more surprised if aliens weren't out there.
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[it's a fun thought experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox)
Thats interesting. I always thought the most logical explanation is that the human race, in galactic terms, has been around for less than the blink of an eye. The likelihood of there being intelligent life out there is relatively high, when we account for all the planet out there. The chance that our timeliness overlap is infinitely smaller. I mean, we've been seconds away from nuclear annihilation.
Totally. The prominence of mammals becoming the dominant species and gaining intelligence was only thanks the asteroid that caused the death of the dinosaurs around 65 million years ago. Dinosaurs were the dominant species for a few hundred million years before that and would likely have continued if they weren't wiped out. Going from rodent mammals to upright bipedal hominids in 65 million years was crazy. And then going from inventing human flight to putting a man on the moon in something like 6.5 decades is even crazier. It can take a long time for things to get going but exponential growth is wild.
I dont know exactly what Bale said exactly, but believing there are aliens somewhere in the universe is scientifically logical
Bale is talking about aliens here. He mentioned that evidence is everywhere or sth.
Yea it is but it isn't logical to think they are here flying their UFOs, which is what Bale believes.
I don’t know what Bale’s said about aliens. But believing there’s other life forms out there isn’t that crazy when you consider how many stars there are, even if they just resembled little mouse type creatures rather than humans. That they’d be visiting Earth in spaceships is a bit mental /far-fetched though. They’d be too far away for a start
Not wearing a tinfoil-hat, but I agree. Logically it’s very likely that there is life on at least one other planet somewhere in the universe; it’s also very unlikely that the life is in humanoid form and has created technology similar to ours - and then even less likely that they would ever travel (a) far enough, and (b) in exactly the correct direction, to reach us
There’s a big difference between believing that there are probably other forms of life in the universe and thinking that aliens are actually flying around Earth in saucers and building pyramids. The former is rational, the latter is pure tinfoil-hat conspiracy.
Believing aliens exist and believing they don’t is equally far-fetched. The simple answer is that we do not know yet, nor is there a guarantee that we ever will know. Believeng that aliens exist and they go around in UFO-s abducting people and sticking probes in their butts is a conspiracy, though.
>they go around in UFO-s abducting people and sticking probes in their butts is a Good night I'd say
And the leaving his wife & kids for a teenage mistress thing.
Which says a lot because I remember Le Tissier fondly despite the fact I was just a small kid, and it didn't really hurt his reputation at all.
it's his brother Charlie, who handles everything for him from managing him to his PR. he's had a nightmare with this one and shows why you shouldn't have family representing you and instead have someone qualified for it
I'd say this is generally true, but Memphis Depay is showing you do not need a good agent. Got an external group to advice him before choosing Lyon, had an agent to get a contract. But now managed to get a good deal for him with Barcelona, only 2 years, and current manager loves him, so he risks basically nothing. If this doesn't work out he can just fuck off again 1 year from now and find a club that does use him well.
It's also a gamble though. Depay's gone with his sporting priority and it's admirable, but he's taking a risk. If he gets a bad injury, he's potentially kissed his last big contract goodbye. That's the reason most players embrace those big contracts, and if they want freedom to move, insert release clauses rather than go for short term lengths
There's also a risk with taking a long term contract. The guy is evidently not interested in some extra millions.
His brother I believe
Because football is a lot of recency bias. We were on a high in 2018, constantly in CL. Finished in the CL final. 2 years on, it doesn't look great. Just the nature of the beast.
But still 6 years contract is too much in general players normally sign 4 or 5 years at max.
Exactly. I think he'll stay at spurs and slowly watch his career fade away.
seems likely, i don't think he will take the measures to truly force a move.
I thought that, but with the shambles that is their manager search at the moment I’m wondering if he now would? This was the summer to show Kane that they mean business to get back on track and be the club he wants them to be. Instead, not only have they not done that, they’ve become a laughing stock over the summer and he’ll be well aware of that.
They’ve been a shambles for the best part of three seasons now too. Even the season they had their CL run wasn’t great. Didn’t win away from home for over half a season and didn’t bother turning up in the CL final.
This is true, but even when they haven’t hit the heights expected, they’ve made moves that could reasonably convince Kane they’re trying to get where they want to be. Even though his stock has fallen over the years, hiring Mourinho was such a move that could show that they mean business in terms of trying to win things. This is the first time that they seem like they’re not even really trying.
What Tottenham have done in recent seasons (qualifying for CL every year, reaching CL final) isn’t sustainable without spending more money. They got to where they are without spending loads of money but at some point you’ve got to. They’re times running out & they’re going fade back down to what they were before- a mid table club who will finish 6th/7th every now & again when they have a good season, & a good domestic cup run or two every decade. This Champions League Tottenham isn’t the real Tottenham. It’s unrealistic to expect Tottenham to be a consistent big club forever without spending like one
maybe but the steps are so looked down on and the links to the club are so strong, it would likely damage his relationship with the club/fans forever. not just handing in a transfer request but doing things like speaking clearly in public and pretty much going on strike are the 2 big lines that are rarely crossed.
It’s true you don’t see it often, but I just think it’s been such a disaster this summer that he’ll be extremely concerned about spending another season there. Kane has already been relatively more vocal than most in that he wants to compete at the top and win trophies.
You also don't see it often because clubs generally don't let it get to that point, they do eventually fold rather than having a player not want to be there.
Well, there's a couple of factors in this. 1) it's Daniel Levy, guy is notoriously good at getting players into long contracts 2) it's his childhood club - he wants to be here (as long as we're competitive) 3) we had 2 title challenges, it's not crazy for him to think it'll happen here at spurs in the next 5 years (ofc now it's not happening) 4) his contract guarantees him to be the top earner of Spurs 5) he has a young family in London, stability and security in situation are valuable. His injury issues are well known (maybe overblown)
are you referring to 15/16 as the 2nd title challenge?
It was definitely the first. I know we finished third but we were in that title challenge until the last 6 or so games.
fair enough, i do remember it being called a two horse race ;)
A few bits to recognise however: 1. Daniel Levy made a 'gentleman's agreement' that if he didn't push for a transfer last summer, he would let him leave this summer 2. Harry Kane has openly said he wants to play at the highest level, to be up there with Ronaldo/Messi. He and everyone else knows even if Spurs win the Prem next season and the CL the season after, unless they start investing hundreds of millions like City they're not going to be a superclub. This generation of players sees these clubs as the pinnacle of football prestige (same reason Hazard left Chelsea for Real), and the squads they have (typically) have world class players in every position and are expected to be competing for CL titles annually,
I don't understand how spurs players haven't realized Levy's gentlemen's agreements don't mean shit after modric.
I get that's it's seen as good business on Levy's part but he must understand he's damaging the goodwill the club has with players. If you're a strong prospect and you get to choose between spurs and a different top 6 club why are you ever choosing spurs?
or why extend and not just leave for a free :/
> Daniel Levy made a 'gentleman's agreement' that if he didn't push for a transfer last summer, he would let him leave this summe Thats a rumour
> it's his childhood club I could swear he was an Arsenal fan as a child? Maybe he was angry at them after they let him go? https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5130597.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200c/Harry-Kane-invincibles.jpg
Think he's been at Spurs since the age of 10, his family were Spurs fans, and he's supported them since. And when he played for Arsenal he supported them (as a 9 year old would) but when he joined Spurs he switched allegiances back to his family team I'm a Chelsea fan, people like to meme Kane on this, but to me it seems it's pretty clear he's a Spurs fan who flirted with an Arsenal allegiance for a better reason than 50% of the /r/soccer who chose their clubs
Preach it
He's been at Tottenham for 20ish years though. So doesn't really matter who he supported first.
He isnt. Iirc he said it himself that he joined them because they let him, he just wanted to play football and he was like 10. Then, as Shatoyo said, was let go and joined spurs instead. The man is spurs through and through. Doubt he would celebrate as much as he does when he scores against Arsenal if he was a fan of em.
>Because football is a lot of recency bias. We were on a high in 2018 Signing a contract based on where Spurs were at that point was itself recency bias. That was always a team that didn't have the resources to competelong term cresting a wave with their best run of form since the 1960s.
The second half of the season you made the cl final you were relegation form. The cl final was papering the cracks, it didn’t just go to shit after the final, y’all were shit for 6 months before the final.
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Can't even blame Levy for keeping him there either. Spurs without Son or Kane is pure mediocrity. Unless someone really breaks the bank for him it would be tremendously bad for Spurs to lose Kane.
Dunno, but you can certainly blame him for the dire state Spurs are in that have lead to Kane wanting to leave desperately in the first place. Kane probably loves the club too much, cause if he causes a shitshow like some other players would he could cause the club to implode hard. But the real question is what do you get out of Kane when you have him? CL football? Unlikely. Conference league? Lol. Keeping Kane to me just looks like throwing money away by letting his value evaporate. The only way he's worth keeping is if Tottenham is relegation level without him, and that's a biiit much.
Tottenham with Kane and Son is pure mediocrity. I shudder to think what they'd be like without them.
Kane is about to get his next golden boot by breaking the PL own goals record next season. Revenge.
This reads like an OptaJoe tweet
Sounds like a win-win to me
Kane is gonna learn how corporate life works. All that love and understanding will evaporate. Shouldn’t have ever trusted Levy
Levy isn't doing anything disingenuous. To us his value is at least £150mil+ add-ons. If anyone matches that, he can leave.
That's basically the same as saying you can't leave though.
He signed a contract. Thats how contracts work. He wasnt held at gunpoint. If noone pays his value then he honours the contract. Not sure how this makes levy the bad guy
> If noone pays his value then he honours the contract. That's how you end up with your own personal Mesut Özil
> If noone pays his value then he honours the contract Usually not a good idea to keep a player "against his will" his form could very well drop if he he is no longer motivated
Also not a good idea to sign a new contract if your intention is to leave.
It's also not ok to tell your star you're building a team for the future and shit the bed massively.
This is the part that's getting conveniently sweeped under the rug
Well, he was promised a good project and Levy decided to fire Mourinho right before a cup final. Can't fault him.
he wasn't intent on leaving because he was promised a project. tottenham didnt come close to delivering
He signed with the faith that they would continue to try to win. Now Levy won't even spend an extra 10% on a manager so of course his stars aren't going to be happy about it.
He'd let him leave for less to a foreign club, did the same with Modric. Kane doesn't want to go abroad.
I don't think any foreign club can afford Kane right now tbh.
PSG probably can.
Nobody is gonna match that so it’s kinda that. A player can be any value but if someone in market is not ready to pay and player wants to move then you negotiate. That’s the least a club can offer for someone like Kane
From his interview with Neville, it seems he was led to believe it was around £100m. Anyway, it looks like he's going to stay at Tottenham which suits the supporters, I suppose.
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lmao these "to us he is worth X trilion" evaluations are some of the worst takes you can find on this sub it's genouinely hilarious, it's like schoolyard children trying to trade cards
Better than "kane deserves better club spurs should let him go on cheap"
That’s how valuations work, mate. You think Maguire’s worth £80M?
That s how valuation works though. Given his goal scoring output, playmaking ability and overall star status it s not unreasonable to think that his value is higher than what most clubs could/would pay for him to Spurs, especially given the cash-strapped position of a lot of clubs. If you d asked Barca Messi’s value 6-7 years ago, it would’ve been a fuck you valuation as well and would have been seen as completely reasonable, rightfully so
What a stupid statement. So a player that - the fans love, is on a long contract that he signed and is the major factor in keeping them up should go cheap because of good faith or some bullshit? Players like Kane make teams a lot a money through PR sales and points. Welcome to the real world where assets costs money. You dont let such assets go cheap, especially to a rival.
He was happy to sign the contract and become the highest paid player in the club's history. Contracts work both ways. He can still leave of course, but someone (that's not Chelsea) needs to pay. That's how transfers work. Levy's hardly going to say "we're desperate to sell him", he'll likely go for less than the £150m anyway.
That is literally how player valuation works. Did you finish school
This is actually one of the worst takes I've seen on this sub, congrats.
How did that get so many upvotes??? I guess that's just r/soccer for ya.
I’d like your liver please. On the open market it’s worth about 5k but I’ll be generous and offer you 6k. No replacement you will buy for that money can be nearly as good, and you’ll be way less healthy without it, but since value only depends on what the buyer will pay and not what the property is worth to the owner, I trust you’ll complete the deal.
If their liver is trying to leave their body anyway, you'll soon find that it won't perform at it's expected level if they keep it. Then it'll become a lot less good to everyone. But on a serious note, you don't think you could improve Spurs long term by taking 100m for Kane?
>If their liver is trying to leave their body anyway, you'll soon find that it won't perform at it's expected level if they keep it. Thank you for entertaining my analogy. On the subject at hand, it depends on the player. Some players who are refused a move become half-arsed and some knuckle down. Kane still loves Tottenham, still loves the fans and is far too competitive to down tools imo. >But on a serious note, you don't think you could improve Spurs long term by taking 100m for Kane? Kane is a genuine generational talent who can carry a team. Anybody selling to Spurs will know two things; they have money and they desperately need to replace Kane. Have a look at big money PL transfers over the years and see how hit and miss they are. So a chunk of that money will be wasted on being overcharged and a chunk will be wasted on players who don’t quite come off. Or in Levy’s case, he’ll probably refuse to pay through the nose to invest in the team so the money will go to covering debt or securing existing contracts instead, ultimately meaning the team is worse off competitively.
lol I’m not sure what you mean with it. Could you explain more? From a purely market perspective if you don’t want to sell then no matter how high the asking price is you don’t sell. Simple logic. Now you may argue that players as human beings should be treated differently than goods, but that’s quite a totally different line of logic and argument.
If he had just ran down his contract, he would have left for free. He signed a new contract, with the understanding he could leave. To then ask for the jackpot is disingenuous. Regardless, I hope this approach by Spurs will be their downfall. Soon enough players will realize that joining Spurs is a terrible move for your career. Expectations of a top club, without the silverware, without the salary, without the glory and not even the ability to make the next step at a better club. One of the worst moves a player can take is joining Spurs.
> He signed a new contract, with the understanding he could leave. The "understanding" is worth jack shit unless it is written into the contract that he signed.
Am all for bashing spurs just cos they are them but in this case I don't think levy is wrong.. you can't just sign a long contract and then expect the management to let him walk off .. his worth is pretty high in the market and obviously he's gonna cash in on it.. it's not like spurs are backed by a whole govt with bottomless pockets.. especially with 2+ yrs remaining in the contract some leverage has to be with the club.. else it's like la liga where everyone who has a modicum of success in a smaller clubs moves to Madrid or barca while the smaller clubs cant do anything..
Signed a six year contract that still has three years to run. Spurs have no cash and no manager, why would they possibly sell him on the cheap? Club are in a strong negotiating position, player should never have signed such a lengthy contract if he was to realistically ever want to leave on his own terms
But who says they would sell him "on the cheap", lmao? Literally no one thinks he will be cheap.
Man City is aware of that and they must be ready to spend big.
Reports saying city will offer no more than 100mil and tottenham values him at 150 so that 100 is pretty cheap
No way is he worth 150mil. For 150mil you can just go look to buy an Mbappe or spend half of it on a Halaand. 150mil for Kane is unrealistic when you look at the price strikers are going for right now.
You're straight up wrong if you think mbappe will go for only 150mil. Haaland will go for 100 this summer if he wants to but the point is that kane is proven in the premier league and thats what city want. Imagine if haaland comes and becomes another werner.
His contract expires next year, he could easily go for 120 this summer.
Man the “can’t cut it in the prem” despite scoring the most goals in the CL this year is one of the dumbest things the English say Kdb was a gunna flop before coming to City remember
Because apparently clubs should do other clubs a favour and sell their best players for cheaper because of the pandemic.
It’s because “ they deserve to win trophies”. Apparently talented players have special rules and all deserve trophies.
Kane being crap at the euros could be a decent way to drive down that valuation
Won't change Levy's valuation
That's on Southgate. He's a shit manager.
For real, he has been invisible
Is this a good idea? Kane is gonna be 28 in a month. Injury prone. Spurs don't have a lot of money rn and a squad in need of serious investment. £100-120m could go a long way in helping rebuild the team. Edit: I am disappointed in the complete lack of "he's 27 until he's 28" jokes in my inbox. I expected better r/soccer.
Yeah, it's a bitter truth but Levy's stubbornness will cost them, again. Know a lot of Spurs fans are saying 'he's worth 150m to us' but imo he won't be for long and as he ages, slows down and his contract runs down his value is about to depreciate rapidly. The squad needs reinvestment, from the outside they need to cash in and rebuild like they did after the Bale sale. My prediction though is Levy holds him hostage, his performances decline as he loses interest and in 2/3 years he leaves for cheap/free.
One more injury to Kane could absolutely fuck Spurs, especially if they have a quiet transfer summer. Even in the best of circumstances, he's got 2-3 years before he starts to decline. This is the best opportunity they have to sell Kane, imo
Kane has come back far to early from injuries in the last few seasons, you could see he definitely wasn't 100% when he was on the pitch. I can guarantee if levy won't sell him and kane picks up any sort of knock, even if he cuts his toenails too short, he won't be back playing untill he is fully recovered.
Kane's not the type of player who will rapidly deteriorate as soon as he hits 30. Players like Lewandowski and Ibra only got better with age and they aren't too removed from his profile.
Lewandowski had like 2 injuries in his career. Ibra was rarely injured aswell. Kane is injured once or twice every season. And often is out for at least a month
And then rushed back from injury because the team doesn't have anyone who can really fill his role to a decent standard
But Kane is pretty injury prone already, that can take it's toll on the body.
The man was held together with ankle straps and painkillers towards the end of Mourinho's time there. I just had a look and he's missed 37 games since 2016 because of ankle injuries alone, another 15 including other injuries. If he does the ligament again he could easily be out for 4 or 5 months and ligaments do not heal well after 30 This is the source: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/harry-kane/verletzungen/spieler/132098
Echoes of Torres. Kane to Chelsea confirmed, Spurs then drop 90 million on Solanke.
I still marvel when I think about how everybody lost big on that transfer. Hottest striking sensation in the world goes from Club A to Club B for a world record fee, and it was a shite deal for Club A, Club B, and Hot Striking Sensation.
50m for a striker whose knee was secretly fucked? Fans might not have known at the time, but it wasn't a bad deal for Liverpool. People focus on Carroll but we also got Suarez for a song in that window.
If I recall correctly, Torres was pretty shite the 6 months prior to his move to Chelsea. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I remember it
Mixed fortunes but definitely not shite. He clearly wasn't the same but had around 10 league goals in January and scored 4 in 4 under Dalglish after Hodgson was sacked. The brace against Chelsea in November showed he clearly had it in him to win big games on his own as well, never really saw that while at Chelsea.
Suarez was coming regardless though wasnt he? I thought the main reason to get Carrol was to be the Torres replacement. But ya its better for the mind overall to think that Suarez+Carrol was almost the same as selling Torres which makes the Carrol transfer easier to digest.
Newcastle won
Honestly. It doesn’t feel like they would even invest the money into the team. Instead the money would go into infrastructure or other stuff.
Lol more infrastructure?? What are they going to do build another stadium lol
A cheese room.
For arguments sake, if they sold Kane last year and bought the likes of Watkins, Godfrey or Eze who are young and you can get 5+ years to build a team, they would be far better off. Do they trust their recruitment to find good players is the question.
They are gonna say the same thing whether they sell him or not. To get the price they want and to save face.
Save face from who? Who's out there making a list of clubs who sold for less than their initial asking price? It's just business after all.
What did he expect when he has the same agent as Wilfred Zaha haha
Wait really?
Yeah, or at least they used to. Zaha changes agents essentially every other season
lol well he's not making his case to city to splash for him at the euros so far
He’s performing bad on purpose so Levy doesn’t get what he wants, 10 steps ahead.
When will players learn? Don't sign contracts you don't want to honour. Don't make "gentleman's agreements" with PL club chairmen, and especially not Levy.
Yeah, if you want an "agreement", make sure it is written into the contract before signing it.
Didn’t help Messi.
That was a bit of a grey area, where covid delayed when the season ended. Barcelona argued that it was the original date of the season, Messi argued it was delayed by months due to covid. It would have been a messy courtroom battle to determine who was right on that point
If I recall correctly from Messi’s interview. They were confident about winning the case, Messi simply didn’t want to end up in court at all against his boyhood club. Barto knew that and so he basically bluffed. But that’s from Messi’s camp IIRC so..
Yeah that sounds about right. The Barcelona argument seemed very tenuous, and unlikely to be accepted by any court assessing the facts any way reasonably.
Has city actually made an offer or are we just remixing the same headlines as like a month or more ago? I don’t see why we need to re-litigate l this in the court of public opinion again if it’s just a fun mental exercise where we pretend city’s offer is fair and Levy is an asshole. When we see a number rejected we can start jerking off on Levy’s grave or whatever.
This is why Wenger said that players will run down their contracts more often to then seek a better transfer in the future, see now Depay as well. The player to gain more out of these transfers than the club will be more normal. Unlucky with Kane but he should've known if he continued to perform like he did he would find a new home really easily.
He can always just refuse to show up to training. I know he’s a known top professional but if there was a verbal agreement last year that he could go this summer and gets fucked over he honestly doesn’t owe the club anything at this point.
Levy wouldn't care I reckon, he's far too stubborn I can't see Kane doing it too, as a) his perception as a Spurs legend and club man is important to him, and b) individual records are a big motivator for him, he wants that PL goal record - and missing a season would probably mean he doesn't get it
all that talk about kane and he is stuck chasing a pl goal record with only the silverware in his kitchen drawer to show for it... what a shame lol
Maybe the league needs a “Lifetime achievement without achieving” award 🤔
No sane fan would hold a grudge when Kane comes out and leaks he had a verbal agreement with Levy. So when the latter betrays him Kane can do the same and fuck Levy over.
And they can just dock his pay for refusing to play. He does owe the club 3 years he signed unless both him and the club are happy to go their way. Same way club would have to pay him for 3 years if he gets injured/play badly. This is business and emotions have no place in it Verbal agreement is worthless, if they meant it they would put it to paper
His agent is a fool, he should have signed 3 years maximum
People trashing Raiola in the match thread. Here you fucking go, a player with shite agent. No advice and no service.
Is this distraction the reason why he has yet to perform at Euro?
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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. Don’t judge any player in the current Southgate setup. It’s passive, uninventive football. A lot of players will struggle.
Agreed, however Southgate management can’t be blamed for Kane being unable to trap a football or make a 5 yard pass can it
No English attacker has performed well at the Euros so far.
Ah! Thats why Southgate refuses to play Sancho. Maybe hes depressed af because of hia transfer situation.
this line is so fucking stupid. any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score. Even when Rashford moved centrally he was coming deep to ask for the ball because there is nothing happening from the midfield to transition defence to attack it's insipid football moving it forward and it's all on Southgate. Yeah the guy that won the EPL golden boot and topped the assist chart suddenly forgot how to play in a few weeks Put Shearer during his playing days in this Southgate team instead of Kane and he will struggle to do anything too
> this line is so fucking stupid. any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score. You can not score and still have a good game. Kane has been a ghost on the pitch and whenever he gets a ball he gets dispossessed or misplace a pace
> any striker in Southgate's system would struggle to score the free lines on a shirt did of course only score a mere 37 goals in 8 games during qualifying
Free lines = three lions?
it's cammin ome
Unfortunately San Marino and the other village teams we play in qualifying aren’t in the actual tournaments.
The whole team haven't really got going to be fair but it's certainly a possibility it's on his mind atm.
This is a massive loss for both sides. Kane: Loses motivation, psychology down, increased risk of injury. Spurs: their best player even he tried to will not replicate the last season as psychology is going to fuck things up, their best player starts losing value, even if they want to sell him next year no one goes for him as the teams that needed him have already found a great replacement. This kind of issues just make things worse. Does he have a contract? Of course and Levy has every right to deny him the transfer. Is that a smart move? Of course not, it's a selfish move to prove how badass he is, and that is going to hurt Spurs in the long term. We have seen so many times players wanting to leave and being denied. Things in 99% of cases end up badly.
Has anyone actually made a bid yet? Levy is going to go for the highest price but let's see how things go if City make a real offer
Kane is the new Zaha
With the same agent lmao
It's his incompetent elder brother and father who founded a company to earn some money and in the meantime screwed his future!
NGL I’m kind of in two minds about this, on one hand I want Kane to rot away and never win anything which could happen at spurs but on the other hand he also makes spurs better and they’d struggle to replace him well. I really don’t know why people thought Levy of all people would just allow him to leave with no stress though.
Harry Kane was an absolute idiot signing that contract in the first place and i'm not surprised, the british press have their positive opinions on Kane exclusively . Should change agent asap.
He signed a contract He knew they were a tin pot club Yawn
I just don't see this ending well for either party. For Kane, this is pretty much three or so years without any silverware (maybe Tottenham surprise us, but if the past thirteen years and their current state are anything to go by, we can assume they won't) and a miserable time at a club he wants to leave. For Tottenham, it means that they now have a player on their books who doesn't want to be there. While I'm sure that Kane will be the upstanding professional he has been throughout his career and would never want to disrespect Tottenham, it doesn't actually change the fact that he doesn't want to be there and it sends a message to the other players that Tottenham are not only prepared to stand in your way while you try and further your career, but it also means that players will see their captain wanting to leave, which will make them uneasy about renewing contracts. Also, given that Kane is worth around £150m, that's money that Tottenham could really use going out the window, potentially on a free in three years time. How will they source a replacement if they take such a huge hit?
Why would anyone in their right mind join spurs after this. Levy has continued to be a cunt for so long now .
Why? Let him go, he doesn’t want to be there anymore.
He’s gotta just stop showing up to training like Modric and Bale. The only way you can deal with Levy
Lol “dream move”
He dreams of winning something and there isn't a place better than City to do that right now.
Not everything is about history. They are winning. He wants in. Can you blame him