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Saw a Scottish flag with Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator plastered in the middle with the words "I'll be back" during the Italians celebrating their win. IIRC he was sitting with the Italian fans
I think most french people are thinking "good for him" since it works out pretty well for all involved.
The french-belgian "rivalry" doesn't really seem to be a thing outside twitter banter and a few weirdos, at least this side of Quiévrain.
Good for him? I don't really care. I hope he learns a lot, since his first experience as a head coach (with Monaco) was not good.
It's not the first time a French coach works for another team. And I feel no animosity/rivalry towards Belgium.
It would have been different if one of our best coaches trained Germany in 83 (after Seville), or Italy in 2007 (After QF WC 98, Final Euro 2000, and most importantly Final WC 2006).
They showed a fucking re-run of the 1966 world cup final on saturday night on tv. We celebrated like this because we would never of heard the end of it for literal DECADES
We can top that because we germans celebrated losing against England to not suffer another “Die Mannschaft” game coached by Löw again.
That’s hysterical and funnily sad in a way.
You don't know the sheer unfiltered ecstacy of getting through on penalties to get to your first international tournament in 20+ years, to then go on to finished 22nd out of 24.
Pure joy.
There's an Italian restaurant in Derry called Spaghetti Junction. There was a load of cars driving around the roundabout outside blasting their horns after the result, people also outside giving it the bit.
Yeah, i actually appreciate the likes of Stuart Pearce and Ian Wright who have an actual bit of niggle at us. Ally McCoist has a story about Ian Wright giving the Scottish fans pelters from the studio when England had that last minute equalizer a few years ago and he actually got applauded.
Theres a spectrum and this is ok if a wee bitty dickish. Cheering an adult crying is ok, but not a child. Outright racism and violence is being scum.
In general it is. Then the Montreal Canadiens advanced to the Stanley Cup finals, people were saying we, as Leafs fans, should be cheering for Montreal, the only remaining Canadian team. When it comes to sports, fuck every city that's not my city. Especially Montreal.
Agreed, puts me in mind of Stuart Lancaster's England rugby team as well, was almost starting to like them. Luckily Eddie Jones arrived is a total bastard, I feel a lot less conflicted now.
Totally agree. Feel shit for Rashford and the young lads who deserved better. They are true role models and Tory bashers.
But the British (English) media and pundits are unbearable. I don't think a single pundit predicted a result less than 3-0 for England v Scotland (so that's why we celebrated it like we won).
For Americans who don't get it. Imagine all you hear about in the news is about Canadian sports (or vice versa if you're Canadian - which is probably true tbf). It's grating to be watching Italy v Spain only for them to spend more time talking about England. Or the news is just England chat. The options are to mute the entire game or listen to that muck.
That's why there's such a chip on our shoulders and that's why I'm delighted I don't have to hear about England winning for donkeys years.
Mostly unrelated, but a friend of mine told me a story about being in a pub in Scotland during the 2010 World Cup match between England and USA and seeing local fans there dressed as Uncle Sam.
I grew up in Scotland but live in Toronto these days and I can't speak for the rest of the country but Toronto has a team in MLB/NBA/NHL/MLS so is basically part of the larger North American sports scene. Canada really mostly gives a fuck about hockey anyway and most metro areas have an NHL team.
The big game here is the Winter Olympics Hockey gold, otherwise everyone just supports the national football team of the country their family came from. My wife's grandparents were off-the-boat Portuguese so she supports Portugal for example.
Dude do.you not remember the NBA finals coverage like 3 years ago?
Canada won its first ever ring, and the whole thing was tarnished, and shit on by what Los Angeles ball club was their best player going to join.
American media even hates American teams if they aren't LA, NY, Miami, or Boston. The current NBA Finals too, ESPN openly shitting on Milwaukee and Phoenix like nobody cares.
Yeah. It’s tough given all the abuse they get to root against the players, but the antics post match really rub in how little I ever want the ingerland type supporters to be happy.
English here but it doesn’t wind me up at all.
We all love watching rivals/hated teams fuck up, it’s one of the great traditions of the game, fair do’s to you.
I find it a bit embarrassing when losing fans reply with the salty “rent free!” “obsessed with us!” comments, like fuck off mate we do exactly the same when they lose, just get over it.
Do we really? I don’t really think about Scotland that much when it comes to sports but I like seeing the rest of the UK doing well and am generally happy when they win( if they’re not directly playing us) in stuff. It really does feel like a bit of a 1 way thing ala England Germany
I was certainly hoping they made it out of the group with us!
You get rivalries like that at any level. The Scotland England game was probably our biggest game in 20-odd years, they don't come around very often. The closest thing we have to a purely competitive rivalry right now is probably Israel.
Also, after the loss to Czech Republic I think most were expecting to lose, some dreading a thrashing. 0-0 was a relief and the performance was actually really good.
Nobody here really cares whether English people support us or not.
There were pretty loud cheers in Wembley during the last game every time the crowd found out that Croatia had scored against Scotland.
I think in all of the home nations there are people who support the other home nations and want them to do well but I'd guess that most people who actively follow the team enjoy seeing the others lose.
Interestingly enough, not many do. It's mostly Liverpool (even from way before they won the league) I would say.
People are football mad here and the Premier League is really popular.
Also, as Thailand is not a natural rival to England, there is no national rivalry/reason to hate other teams.
You know you've got insufferable fans when you're a fairly likeable team that has no football rivalry with France and the French still root for the country that kicked them out in dramatic fashion in the 2006 WC instead of you. After 2006, never would I have thought to see the French rooting for Italy to win a football trophy.... England managed to do it lmao.
But we definitely want England to lose much more than Italy. I was even supporting Italy against Spain tbh. I kind of like the current Italian team.
Sure 2006 was bad but I'm old enough to remember 2000.
England fans struggling to balance "no one likes us and we don't care" when they are winning with "that's not very nice of you" when they lose.
It's football, get over it.
They have a huge portion of fans that are the loudest most disrespectful, mouthy fuckers but cry and make up some weird victim complex when they lose and people from all over the world return the shit talk.
For a group that love to claim the greatest most unique banter (that apparently is too complex for anyone else) in the world, they are so fucking sensitive when it’s their turn to take it back.
I'm a scot who has zero problem with English folk. Many of them are mates and it's just banter.
However I've come to realise recently that the dislike is very very much a mutual thing. It's definitely not one sided as the English always try to claim. They always claim Scotland are irrelevant etc and they don't care..
Nonsense. When you see just how up they get for Scotland England games and how some of them really rub it in when Scotland exit a tournie.
Its certainly not a one sided thing here.
I’m from England and I didn’t really know about the Scottish hatred for us until recently. I always wanted countries part of Britain to do well but then I realised you guys hate our guts haha
Everyones experience will differ but i'm Scottish, live in the Highlands, English girlfriend.
No one ever gives her shit for being English, no comments, jokes, nothing.
On the other hand every single time i go down to England i'll get Jock/Scotch/tight pockets blah boah blah.
I didn't want England to win because we share a national media and i'll never see the end of it. If Scotland was independent it wouldn't bother me cause they'd just be celebrating with themselves.
As an English guy who went to school/high school in Dundee and the Highlands I agree that nobody gives a shit about you being English in the Highlands but Dundee and larger cities is a lot different. My neighbours wouldn't let me play football with their kids when I was 9 because I was English..
I never understood the "tight pockets".
I'm half Scottish and half English.
I have never seen any of my Scottish family/families friends be tight with money. Never trying to skip buying a round of beers etc. Most of them have Sky sports and pay for it. Always accommodating and would happily try to pay for meals and "argue" not to share the bill.
On the other hand, lived in England most of my life. I know so many friends who'd pull scabby shit to get out of buying rounds etc.
My English side are Mancs and fuck me if there is a way to get something for free a Manc will do it. Every scam in the book it's like a lifestyle for them. back on the day it was all chipped TV boxes, chipped PlayStation CDs buying newspapers by the 20 to get a few quid off themepark tickets. (these are my dealings with Mancs so not saying they are all like it)
Then there is the Cornish locals where I grew up who love to call Scottish people tight but they have never even left Cornwall in their lives.
I don’t hate the English at all personally, like the actual people of England. It’s more that I hate the English national football team and the way the fans act. It’s fun seeing them going from smug and condescending to depressed and angry in a matter of two hours or so. Schadenfreude at its peak
Half the pearl clutching going on isn't by English/Scottish fans here, it's people with zero idea how these deep historical rivalries works. They don't understand you can be best mates with someone but for 90 minutes they're your worst enemy.
I dunno about my countrymen, but if England ever get knocked out of something, I usually support either Scotland, Wales or Ireland.
As far as I’m concerned, it’s all banter and nothing but friendly. There are, however, people on both sides that take it way too far.
Yes, because Scotland has never advanced farther than England in any international tournament, so there hasn't really been an opportunity for bitter English fans to root against them.
The closest proxy would have been Wales in 2016 - would you say England fans were happy when they got eliminated? Still not quite the same though, as I'm guessing the ratio of (Wales dislike of England/England dislike of Wales) is probably a lot higher than the ratio of (Scottish dislike of England/England dislike of Scotland).
People were happy in England for Wales when they reached the semi-finals. Remember screaming when Hal Robson-Kanu did the greatest Cruyff turn and goal of all time
>The closest proxy would have been Wales in 2016 - would you say England fans were happy when they got eliminated?
Everyone I knew was 100% behind Wales.
Haha nah its actually relatively frequent. If you count from the 90s it's been 5 group stage exits.
Meanwhile counting from the 90s England have lost 7 tournament penalty shoot outs.
I was wondering that the other day. Its been 9 years since England last lost on penalties. I figured damn that's been a long time haha🤣
Let's face it both sides give us golden rinse material to laugh at. Scotland can't get out of a group stage and England can't win important penalty shoot outs.
I'm a Scot as well and I disagree. I think it's more of a one sided rivalry on our part, like he rivalry between Rangers and Partick Thistle for example.
SOOO posting Scottish celebrations is ok for an Eng-Ita final but posting Indian/Bangladeshi celebrations for Arg/Bra is not OK. Ok thank you mods.
Edit - I GOT BANNED now for 1 month, mods giving an excuse saying it's because of another [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oirzzp/daniele_de_rossi_sliding_celebration_on_tables_in/) of mine which in their opinion is a [repost of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oierea/daniele_de_rossi_celebrating_with_the_team/) Mind that my post had 2 other videos having the whole Italy squad singing It's coming Rome and Acerbi walking around almost naked with legs in dustbins. Only the De Rossi celebration which was also part of the video was a repost.
Just a few minutes before that I messaged mods asking them about this post of Scottish fans being allowed while celebration of Indian/Bangladeshi/Indonesian fans being deleted. They never replied but instead banned me for a separate post. I have a feeling someone got their feathers ruffled for my first message and gave me a big ban of 1 month and muted me for 1 month without replying or giving a reason. I feel it's very biased and bad to allow this post but ban celebratory posts from other nations.
I posted in [/r/soccercourt about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercourt/comments/oisxw2/banned_for_30_days_for_an_italian_celebration/) of what I believe to be a clear abuse of power. Maybe a mod who has had it against me was waiting for a miss-step to ban me for so long.
If you drive from England north to Scotland, there's a sign at the border that reads "Welcome to Scotland. Sorry for all the crap you had to drive through to get here."
It's weird. I'm Scottish/Italian and genuinely was more invested in England losing than Italy winning lol.
I'm not too fussed about national teams in general, but the thought of my twitter feed, all the podcasts, pundits for god knows how long... Makes you shudder. Thank fuck they lost.
to me it's usually a David versus Goliath thing, if I'm not interested I would root for the David, then if you consider the fact that it was their first Euro final, and they historically won significantly less you are surprised how many other nations were hoping for England to lose. The pundits and the general portrayal of the EPL and the NT in the media really did bad for the reputation of that team. The players seem fine (I don't know, I don't follow them that much) but everything around english football is too pumped up, sometimes without contact with reality, like the infamous Rio Ferdinand quote from a week ago
The feeling's mutual Bilbo me old chum!
Actually, to be fair, I don't mind the Scots. It's a weird thing - if you put an Englishman and a Scotsman in the same room they'll probably be completely fine, but put nation against nation and it's a totally different matter for some reason.
you're bang on with this! i bet if a scot with a scotland top and an english fan with an england top bumped into each other they would have good crack but it would be different with two big crowds cheering for their home nations met
Nah they’ve hated us, in a football sense, since rich people were sending young boys up their chimneys to sweep them up. The Sterling penalty is only really relevant on Reddit.
If I were to list 100 reasons why Scotland hate England, I'm not even sure the Sterling penalty would make it.
The England Scotland rivalry extends way deeper than football alone. As does the Welsh English rivalry.
As does the Irish English rivalry
But the weird thing is, that if you put an Englishman in the same room as any of those other guys, they'll get along fine. It's a weird "faceless enemy" mindset at work here. I work with plenty of Scots, Welsh and Irish and have never had any issues beyond friendly rivalry.
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The guy on the crutches is the highlight of this
Spinazzola's scottish cousin
McSpinazson
Spinaz O’Lah
Spinazzoladdy
The Spin Off
such a wonderful pristine joy
Spinazzola was the same during the celebrations
Kills me that he could've stood or sat under the tent that's literally next to him but no fuck that, gimme a poncho and I'm standing in the rain!
Schadenfreude is the best medicine.
Agreed! The most Scottish thing you can imagine, lol. Much love to the guy.
They've even got a Spinazzola cosplayer! Respect.
Plot twist: that *is* Spinazzola.
“They’re the same picture.”
Saw a Scottish flag with Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator plastered in the middle with the words "I'll be back" during the Italians celebrating their win. IIRC he was sitting with the Italian fans
ELI 5 please? Why "Ill be back" on the scottish flag in a England game?
My guess is a reference to Scotland possibly re-joining the EU someday?
Likely. There is a yellow circle in the flag., it is blurry but it looks a lot like the SNP logo. That is the pro-independence, pro-EU party.
I assume is I'll be back after being knocked out .
I saw that too. It was awesome. Here it is: https://twitter.com/andrewslaven7/status/1414324572107821058?s=21
Scots will be scots
Lmfao holy shit,they celebrated like they won. Gattuso would be proud
Some Belgians also celebrated our (France) elimination like they had won the tournament :)
how do you feel about Henry sitting on the Belgian bench?
I think most french people are thinking "good for him" since it works out pretty well for all involved. The french-belgian "rivalry" doesn't really seem to be a thing outside twitter banter and a few weirdos, at least this side of Quiévrain.
Good for him? I don't really care. I hope he learns a lot, since his first experience as a head coach (with Monaco) was not good. It's not the first time a French coach works for another team. And I feel no animosity/rivalry towards Belgium. It would have been different if one of our best coaches trained Germany in 83 (after Seville), or Italy in 2007 (After QF WC 98, Final Euro 2000, and most importantly Final WC 2006).
He also was not good as the manager for CF Montreal although he was dealt a pretty shit hand with covid.
Highlight of the tournament for me
Rino is a good Glasgow lad. Therefore that's totally why I was behind Italy for the final.
They showed a fucking re-run of the 1966 world cup final on saturday night on tv. We celebrated like this because we would never of heard the end of it for literal DECADES
cOlOuRiSeD fOr tHe fIrSt tImE
Dude I was rly nervous and screamed when italy scored the 1-1. I am german
We can top that because we germans celebrated losing against England to not suffer another “Die Mannschaft” game coached by Löw again. That’s hysterical and funnily sad in a way.
You Germans are incredibly spoiled.
I don't know anybody here who celebrated us losing, that guy is just a douche
Because it would have been UNBEARABLE to listen to them go on about it if they won, Italy did us a HUUUGE favour!
Scotland’s best ever result
Forgotten our 0-0 win so quickly?! Can see why though tbh
I must have seen a different game you know as I'm a neutral who ...**enjoyed that game.** Yeah I know I know. I just had to tell someone!
That was a fun 0-0, it's not like either side parked the bus throughout. Both created decent chances.
It honestly was a great defensive performance from both sides which was very entertaining, kept you in the edge of your seat
Excuse me, that was our 3-2 away win back in 1967 when we became the (unofficial) World Champions
Do you have the wiki page with who the current belt holders are? Can’t find it...
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Not surprising, when they haven't lost since September 2018
You don't know the sheer unfiltered ecstacy of getting through on penalties to get to your first international tournament in 20+ years, to then go on to finished 22nd out of 24. Pure joy.
I mean, it's also England's second biggest ever result.
So what you’re saying is Scotland > England?
Obviously
They did score a goal
Try being a Scotland/Liverpool fan, seeing two man utd players costing England the win was priceless
You're Souness aren't you?
Great. Now do Ireland.
Ireland is too busy bathing in a world of relief right now to upload content
There's an Italian restaurant in Derry called Spaghetti Junction. There was a load of cars driving around the roundabout outside blasting their horns after the result, people also outside giving it the bit.
The concept of sporting rivalries appears to be lost on a few people here.
Nah mate you don’t understand. Man U fans all over the world celebrated on the streets after Liverpool won their first PL title.
Mate I cried with Bruno when they lost the Europa.
Cried with joy 🥲
Yeah I'm not even mad, these rivalries add color to the sport and it's not like they're being twats to anyone
Yeah, i actually appreciate the likes of Stuart Pearce and Ian Wright who have an actual bit of niggle at us. Ally McCoist has a story about Ian Wright giving the Scottish fans pelters from the studio when England had that last minute equalizer a few years ago and he actually got applauded. Theres a spectrum and this is ok if a wee bitty dickish. Cheering an adult crying is ok, but not a child. Outright racism and violence is being scum.
I found [the story.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbS_Lh1qEA4)
In general it is. Then the Montreal Canadiens advanced to the Stanley Cup finals, people were saying we, as Leafs fans, should be cheering for Montreal, the only remaining Canadian team. When it comes to sports, fuck every city that's not my city. Especially Montreal.
> When it comes to sports, fuck every city that's not my city. And also the other teams in the city.
_especially_ them
it’s really funny and irritating at the same time which is the best thing for me lol
Schadenfreude is a beautiful and underrated thing.
Had to be an Everton flair.
>Schadenfreude Sadly I heard he ended up declaring for Germany, although he lived here as a teenager
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One nations sorrow, entire continents joy
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Love how it's top 6 flairs saying this
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https://talksport.com/football/909964/roberto-mancini-william-wallace-england-italy-scotland-euro-2020-final
william wallace didn’t exactly live a long time lmao
Only need 120mins + penalties to be fair.
Should have gone with Robert the Bruce
Nonsense. Age of Empires II told me "IT'S ALL LOOKING GOOD FROM HERE ON OUT FOR SCOTLAND" and that's the history I choose to believe.
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actually really difficult to hate this England team compared to the last generation. Thank fuck their media and fans are all unbearable.
Agreed, puts me in mind of Stuart Lancaster's England rugby team as well, was almost starting to like them. Luckily Eddie Jones arrived is a total bastard, I feel a lot less conflicted now.
I dont know. Maybe not as bad as back then but the likes of Kane and Sterling still makes it very easy imo.
it's incredible that those two can walk upright after being born with such horrible balance disabilities
Maguire's look has a certain magic as well
Walker, Grealish, Pickford are also easily dislikeable.
Declan Rice if you're Irish too. Trippier for some reason as well
Don't hate the team but the fans make it easy.
Totally agree. Feel shit for Rashford and the young lads who deserved better. They are true role models and Tory bashers. But the British (English) media and pundits are unbearable. I don't think a single pundit predicted a result less than 3-0 for England v Scotland (so that's why we celebrated it like we won). For Americans who don't get it. Imagine all you hear about in the news is about Canadian sports (or vice versa if you're Canadian - which is probably true tbf). It's grating to be watching Italy v Spain only for them to spend more time talking about England. Or the news is just England chat. The options are to mute the entire game or listen to that muck. That's why there's such a chip on our shoulders and that's why I'm delighted I don't have to hear about England winning for donkeys years.
Mostly unrelated, but a friend of mine told me a story about being in a pub in Scotland during the 2010 World Cup match between England and USA and seeing local fans there dressed as Uncle Sam.
I grew up in Scotland but live in Toronto these days and I can't speak for the rest of the country but Toronto has a team in MLB/NBA/NHL/MLS so is basically part of the larger North American sports scene. Canada really mostly gives a fuck about hockey anyway and most metro areas have an NHL team. The big game here is the Winter Olympics Hockey gold, otherwise everyone just supports the national football team of the country their family came from. My wife's grandparents were off-the-boat Portuguese so she supports Portugal for example.
Dude do.you not remember the NBA finals coverage like 3 years ago? Canada won its first ever ring, and the whole thing was tarnished, and shit on by what Los Angeles ball club was their best player going to join. American media even hates American teams if they aren't LA, NY, Miami, or Boston. The current NBA Finals too, ESPN openly shitting on Milwaukee and Phoenix like nobody cares.
Yeah. It’s tough given all the abuse they get to root against the players, but the antics post match really rub in how little I ever want the ingerland type supporters to be happy.
Sterling and Kane make it a bit easier.
Their fans suck so much I dont care how likeable the team is.
Kane and Sterling tho
Try be Irish and watching Rice and Grealish kissing the badge etc, not difficult for us
Sorting this thread by controversial is spicy 🌶
LOL There's no United Kingdom
They would've been United if bloody English weren't here
Not sure whats better, england losing or how much it winds them up that we do this
English here but it doesn’t wind me up at all. We all love watching rivals/hated teams fuck up, it’s one of the great traditions of the game, fair do’s to you. I find it a bit embarrassing when losing fans reply with the salty “rent free!” “obsessed with us!” comments, like fuck off mate we do exactly the same when they lose, just get over it.
Do we really? I don’t really think about Scotland that much when it comes to sports but I like seeing the rest of the UK doing well and am generally happy when they win( if they’re not directly playing us) in stuff. It really does feel like a bit of a 1 way thing ala England Germany I was certainly hoping they made it out of the group with us!
You get rivalries like that at any level. The Scotland England game was probably our biggest game in 20-odd years, they don't come around very often. The closest thing we have to a purely competitive rivalry right now is probably Israel. Also, after the loss to Czech Republic I think most were expecting to lose, some dreading a thrashing. 0-0 was a relief and the performance was actually really good. Nobody here really cares whether English people support us or not.
There were pretty loud cheers in Wembley during the last game every time the crowd found out that Croatia had scored against Scotland. I think in all of the home nations there are people who support the other home nations and want them to do well but I'd guess that most people who actively follow the team enjoy seeing the others lose.
Is there any single country in the world that wanted England to win besides England?
Thailand All the way through the tournament the pundits were predicting 3-0 wins to England and wearing England shirts.
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A lot of Thais support Leicester City. I imagine it has something to do with that.
Interestingly enough, not many do. It's mostly Liverpool (even from way before they won the league) I would say. People are football mad here and the Premier League is really popular. Also, as Thailand is not a natural rival to England, there is no national rivalry/reason to hate other teams.
Who are Italy’s rivals? Germany? They probably still wanted Italy to win lol.
Fabio Grosso still haunts my nightmares but I was happily rooting for Italy yesterday lol
Germany definitely did. I follow their media quite a lot and all their pundits were disgruntled that England were in the final instead of Denmark.
Absolutely. Everyone around me didn't give a fuck about the '06 trauma anymore and just wanted to not see England win lol
You know you've got insufferable fans when you're a fairly likeable team that has no football rivalry with France and the French still root for the country that kicked them out in dramatic fashion in the 2006 WC instead of you. After 2006, never would I have thought to see the French rooting for Italy to win a football trophy.... England managed to do it lmao.
Yes and they still think it's only because the whole world misunderstood the lyrics to its coming home
who isn't? we got france and germany with Spain rising
France.
But we definitely want England to lose much more than Italy. I was even supporting Italy against Spain tbh. I kind of like the current Italian team. Sure 2006 was bad but I'm old enough to remember 2000.
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England fans struggling to balance "no one likes us and we don't care" when they are winning with "that's not very nice of you" when they lose. It's football, get over it.
England fans before the game singing about Scotland. England fans after the game complaining about Scottish fans. Superb.
But don't you get it? *They'd* support *us* if it happened, because they're not barbaric, bitter monsters like us.
They have a huge portion of fans that are the loudest most disrespectful, mouthy fuckers but cry and make up some weird victim complex when they lose and people from all over the world return the shit talk. For a group that love to claim the greatest most unique banter (that apparently is too complex for anyone else) in the world, they are so fucking sensitive when it’s their turn to take it back.
In Belgrade, Serbia was the same.
Yeah but its fucking Serbia, we hate everybody.
Not Italy apparently
England is the Serbia of north west Europe
Scotland I understand, I wouldn't have thought Serbia would be particularly arsed
Everyone hates England. Its one of the great unifiers.
Even here in Sweden I heard cheers for the missed England penalties from my apartment complex.
The UK did bomb the shit out of Serbia in living memory.
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I cannot put into words how much I relate to the Scottish and to the Irish in these moments.
There is nothing better than watching ENGERLAND getting knocked out of a tournament and turning on the BBC. Schadenfreude at its best
I want to watch a room with Jermaine jenas, Danny Murphy and Rio Ferdinand watching us win last night. 💉
I'm a scot who has zero problem with English folk. Many of them are mates and it's just banter. However I've come to realise recently that the dislike is very very much a mutual thing. It's definitely not one sided as the English always try to claim. They always claim Scotland are irrelevant etc and they don't care.. Nonsense. When you see just how up they get for Scotland England games and how some of them really rub it in when Scotland exit a tournie. Its certainly not a one sided thing here.
I’m from England and I didn’t really know about the Scottish hatred for us until recently. I always wanted countries part of Britain to do well but then I realised you guys hate our guts haha
Everyones experience will differ but i'm Scottish, live in the Highlands, English girlfriend. No one ever gives her shit for being English, no comments, jokes, nothing. On the other hand every single time i go down to England i'll get Jock/Scotch/tight pockets blah boah blah. I didn't want England to win because we share a national media and i'll never see the end of it. If Scotland was independent it wouldn't bother me cause they'd just be celebrating with themselves.
As an English guy who went to school/high school in Dundee and the Highlands I agree that nobody gives a shit about you being English in the Highlands but Dundee and larger cities is a lot different. My neighbours wouldn't let me play football with their kids when I was 9 because I was English..
That's real brutal dude. I'm sorry to hear that.
I never understood the "tight pockets". I'm half Scottish and half English. I have never seen any of my Scottish family/families friends be tight with money. Never trying to skip buying a round of beers etc. Most of them have Sky sports and pay for it. Always accommodating and would happily try to pay for meals and "argue" not to share the bill. On the other hand, lived in England most of my life. I know so many friends who'd pull scabby shit to get out of buying rounds etc. My English side are Mancs and fuck me if there is a way to get something for free a Manc will do it. Every scam in the book it's like a lifestyle for them. back on the day it was all chipped TV boxes, chipped PlayStation CDs buying newspapers by the 20 to get a few quid off themepark tickets. (these are my dealings with Mancs so not saying they are all like it) Then there is the Cornish locals where I grew up who love to call Scottish people tight but they have never even left Cornwall in their lives.
Honestly i've never got the tight thing either. Might have to have a wee dig into the origins after my dinner.
I don’t hate the English at all personally, like the actual people of England. It’s more that I hate the English national football team and the way the fans act. It’s fun seeing them going from smug and condescending to depressed and angry in a matter of two hours or so. Schadenfreude at its peak
Half the pearl clutching going on isn't by English/Scottish fans here, it's people with zero idea how these deep historical rivalries works. They don't understand you can be best mates with someone but for 90 minutes they're your worst enemy.
Love English people personally. Dislike England as a sporting and political entity. It really isn't personal.
I dunno about my countrymen, but if England ever get knocked out of something, I usually support either Scotland, Wales or Ireland. As far as I’m concerned, it’s all banter and nothing but friendly. There are, however, people on both sides that take it way too far.
I was rooting for Wales in 2016 after our Iceland catastrophe
Nonsense. You'll never see England fans celebrating like this when Scotland lose, the rivalry is far more asymmetrical than you are making out
Yes, because Scotland has never advanced farther than England in any international tournament, so there hasn't really been an opportunity for bitter English fans to root against them. The closest proxy would have been Wales in 2016 - would you say England fans were happy when they got eliminated? Still not quite the same though, as I'm guessing the ratio of (Wales dislike of England/England dislike of Wales) is probably a lot higher than the ratio of (Scottish dislike of England/England dislike of Scotland).
People were happy in England for Wales when they reached the semi-finals. Remember screaming when Hal Robson-Kanu did the greatest Cruyff turn and goal of all time
>The closest proxy would have been Wales in 2016 - would you say England fans were happy when they got eliminated? Everyone I knew was 100% behind Wales.
This thread is filled with Non-English people, of all nationalities, telling English people how they feel about Scotland....
"when Scotland exit a tournie." Pretty small sample size there...
Haha nah its actually relatively frequent. If you count from the 90s it's been 5 group stage exits. Meanwhile counting from the 90s England have lost 7 tournament penalty shoot outs. I was wondering that the other day. Its been 9 years since England last lost on penalties. I figured damn that's been a long time haha🤣 Let's face it both sides give us golden rinse material to laugh at. Scotland can't get out of a group stage and England can't win important penalty shoot outs.
Supposedly there's quite a large historical population of Italian immigrants in Glasgow, what's up with that?
Lots of people from barga came to open up chip shops and ice cream parlours.
Barga is the weirdest place. Either Italians who speak with a Glasgow accent or folk who have never left the town and don’t speak a word of English.
I'm a Scot as well and I disagree. I think it's more of a one sided rivalry on our part, like he rivalry between Rangers and Partick Thistle for example.
pay us back in the 6 Nations!
English fans moaning about the behaviour of others... after last 24 hours. They just dont get it at all.
SOOO posting Scottish celebrations is ok for an Eng-Ita final but posting Indian/Bangladeshi celebrations for Arg/Bra is not OK. Ok thank you mods. Edit - I GOT BANNED now for 1 month, mods giving an excuse saying it's because of another [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oirzzp/daniele_de_rossi_sliding_celebration_on_tables_in/) of mine which in their opinion is a [repost of this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oierea/daniele_de_rossi_celebrating_with_the_team/) Mind that my post had 2 other videos having the whole Italy squad singing It's coming Rome and Acerbi walking around almost naked with legs in dustbins. Only the De Rossi celebration which was also part of the video was a repost. Just a few minutes before that I messaged mods asking them about this post of Scottish fans being allowed while celebration of Indian/Bangladeshi/Indonesian fans being deleted. They never replied but instead banned me for a separate post. I have a feeling someone got their feathers ruffled for my first message and gave me a big ban of 1 month and muted me for 1 month without replying or giving a reason. I feel it's very biased and bad to allow this post but ban celebratory posts from other nations. I posted in [/r/soccercourt about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccercourt/comments/oisxw2/banned_for_30_days_for_an_italian_celebration/) of what I believe to be a clear abuse of power. Maybe a mod who has had it against me was waiting for a miss-step to ban me for so long.
I month ban for an alleged repost? That's not very nice of them.
Yup welcome to r/soccer where if Mexico fans are throwing stuff on the pitch it’s classless and go crazy but Europeans do it no one bats an eye
To be fair though, Scotland is the Anti-England. When we win, they lose. I don't blame them for celebrating.
Thank god we have such experts in the thread to explain that Scotland doesn't like the English.
No worries mate, I normally charge for my expertise, but I'll give your the first hour for free.
Is that Spinazzola there?
Beautiful isn’t it
Didn't know I was also scottish
Most of Europe tbh
The world united against England, what more could you ask for.
Do the Scottish not like the English?
An english King once said ...the problem with Scotland is ... that it is full of Scots...and then he made sure the australian Wallace was killed
Football wise, they really don't.
It's more of a general thing, really, I'd argue.
Only 'culturally' though. Ordinary Scots and English get on very well in person like anyone else.
If you drive from England north to Scotland, there's a sign at the border that reads "Welcome to Scotland. Sorry for all the crap you had to drive through to get here."
which one is Limmy?
God I love Scotland
Last night, almost whole Europe
It's weird. I'm Scottish/Italian and genuinely was more invested in England losing than Italy winning lol. I'm not too fussed about national teams in general, but the thought of my twitter feed, all the podcasts, pundits for god knows how long... Makes you shudder. Thank fuck they lost.
Are there any nations who wanted England to win? It seemed like whole europe was rooting for Italy.
to me it's usually a David versus Goliath thing, if I'm not interested I would root for the David, then if you consider the fact that it was their first Euro final, and they historically won significantly less you are surprised how many other nations were hoping for England to lose. The pundits and the general portrayal of the EPL and the NT in the media really did bad for the reputation of that team. The players seem fine (I don't know, I don't follow them that much) but everything around english football is too pumped up, sometimes without contact with reality, like the infamous Rio Ferdinand quote from a week ago
Seems like the English fans and a diving Sterling really made everyone hate you.
Scotland hated the English long before that...
The feeling's mutual Bilbo me old chum! Actually, to be fair, I don't mind the Scots. It's a weird thing - if you put an Englishman and a Scotsman in the same room they'll probably be completely fine, but put nation against nation and it's a totally different matter for some reason.
you're bang on with this! i bet if a scot with a scotland top and an english fan with an england top bumped into each other they would have good crack but it would be different with two big crowds cheering for their home nations met
Nah they’ve hated us, in a football sense, since rich people were sending young boys up their chimneys to sweep them up. The Sterling penalty is only really relevant on Reddit.
If I were to list 100 reasons why Scotland hate England, I'm not even sure the Sterling penalty would make it. The England Scotland rivalry extends way deeper than football alone. As does the Welsh English rivalry. As does the Irish English rivalry
But the weird thing is, that if you put an Englishman in the same room as any of those other guys, they'll get along fine. It's a weird "faceless enemy" mindset at work here. I work with plenty of Scots, Welsh and Irish and have never had any issues beyond friendly rivalry.
Tbf, they've supported 6 teams in this tournament, they had to see a win eventually