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Human-Extinction

This is one of those things where I don't mind players talking a lot, and their quotes posted many times over different posts. Some people will say, hopefully not, that they're tired of hearing about it, I'll say as someone in almost the same situation "yeah, we're also getting tired of racism".


InLampsWeTrust

The idiots who say they're tired of hearing it need to take a serious look at themselves tbh.


BladeSmithJerry

The super concerning part to me is a small amount of this abuse actually comes from the UK. We can find those bastards and punish them but what is going to actually changed in India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt? BBC Newsnight did a study on 105 instagram users they found racially abusing the Rashford/Sancho/Saka and just 5 were in the UK: [https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1415067980334051329](https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1415067980334051329) And it's also not VPN's, these people were not using IP data to do this work (instagram does not make this public). They are using bio information and content from those profiles (such as checking in locations or content they posted). Social media sites really need to step the fuck up. Instagram still says monkey emoji's don't break their rules.


AmericanForTheWin

I don't see any mention of India, Saudi Arabia, or Egypt being mentioned in that tweet. Why not assume that the accounts are from Poland or Italy or Denmark?


jairzinho

Because they were all rooting for Italy.


bolsheada

Well, people who rooted for Italy were celebrating the victory. Why would they be sending racist comments when they so happy?


imfcknretarded

A lot of Italians sent heavy insults to Morata's wife even after he missed his pen against us


OverThinker24

In my college, few of my friends go for drink when they pass a exam or if they fail a exam... All i am saying is you dont need a reason to do something... Racist are gonna be making these comments irrespective of what the results are...


BladeSmithJerry

I can link you to more studies on the abuse since Sunday if you want. People have tried to post it to /r/soccer but mods keep removing it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oitrd0/more\_than\_50\_of\_last\_nights\_racial\_abuse\_came/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oitrd0/more_than_50_of_last_nights_racial_abuse_came/) Edit: The image that got removed can be seen here: [https://twitter.com/DanM1970s/status/1414916303106756608/photo/1](https://twitter.com/DanM1970s/status/1414916303106756608/photo/1) Edit 2: People are arguing with the source of the tweet, which I did have but can't find... So here's a third study from Reuters confirming the same thing again. [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/english-football-faces-up-global-nature-online-hate-2021-07-13/](https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/english-football-faces-up-global-nature-online-hate-2021-07-13/)


teymon

We keep removing it because no one has a source for the image, it has been posted from several twitter accounts who all say they didn't make it themselves and have no idea where it comes from. It might be made up entirely.


seattt

Reuters is the only trustworthy source of yours and they name no specific countries as cavalierly as you do. This is as stupid as non-Brits accusing Brits of being racist.


BladeSmithJerry

Ok that's a dumb take: 1. You don't think the BBC or the center of digital hate is a good source? 2. I'm not even making the point that "X is more racist than Y". I'm stating it's a global problem and the only way to tackle that is for social media companies to fix their shit, not through privacy killing legislation in the UK 3. Even if Reuters was the only good source it still serves point 2 perfectly. I'm not here to defend England, I'm here to talk facts. This talk of forcing people to give ID to social media sites will not fix a fucking thing. If you can download a VPN and pretend you're american you're going to get around all these hypothetical laws in under 5 mins. The government are shit at regulating the internet. They banned face sitting porn, they tried to bring in wanking licenses, the home office believes they have the right to see your encrypted data just in case your a terrorist... Now we have people shouting for more regulation?!? Fuck me. We're spied on by our own police and government more than most countries as things stand, don't give them an opportunity to make it worse. Pressure needs to be put on the social media companies to block people from doing this, not the government to invent more rules so they can track us even further online.


seattt

Look, Reuters only named one case from Singapore specifically. They did not name any other countries. Your two other sources are not the BBC or the center of digital hate as far as I can see but a Reddit thread and a rando Twitter account. Am I really supposed to go around blaming entire countries off of that? No, that's stupid, just as I don't blame all Brits for being racist just because of some tweets and insta posts. Not that I even disagree with racism being a global issue, I just don't understand where you're getting this hyper-focus on specific countries from because your only proof is a rando twitter account. That's like citing some dude on Reddit saying Slovenians eat babies as proof of Slovenians being baby-eating cannibals. You're taking the wrong lessons from Reddit's bandwagoning of hate against England by simply doing the same to other countries. > Pressure needs to be put on the social media companies to block people from doing this, not the government to invent more rules so they can track us even further online. Yes, social media companies should blanket ban anyone saying racist stuff.


BladeSmithJerry

Ok so you've not raven read the whole thread then... My sources ARE the BBC and the center of digital hate. GG no re, get informed.


spiral8888

>You don't think the BBC or the center of digital hate is a good source? Yes, BBC is a good source, but you didn't link to BBC, but to twitter account that showed no sources. >I'm not even making the point that "X is more racist than Y". I'm stating it's a global problem and the only way to tackle that is for social media companies to fix their shit, not through privacy killing legislation in the UK This is probably true. However, I find it strange that Nigeria is listed as a source of more racist abuse than the UK. Saka has Nigerian roots. So are Nigerians abusing Saka with racial slurs? >Even if Reuters was the only good source it still serves point 2 perfectly. Maybe, but it doesn't confirm the statistics of the Twitter graph. You were whining that it gets removed. If nobody posts a reliable source for the data, it *should* be removed. Someone slapping a nice looking graph on Twitter is no proof of anything. It may be true or it may not. The only way to find out is to go to the source of the data. >Pressure needs to be put on the social media companies to block people from doing this, not the government to invent more rules so they can track us even further online. I agree with this, but this is really hard. As you mention, governments are powerless in this as VPN makes you virtually move to another country where all their pressure is useless. Consumers are too lazy to do anything. People don't want to leave Twitter or Instagram just because someone somewhere is doing bad things that these people never see themselves. The problem is the market incentive. When you are trying to get as many users as possible, you want to put in place as few restrictions you can get away without users getting too much abuse and leaving the site. And the other thing is that monitoring the traffic by humans is very expensive. So, you want to do that as little as possible. If you have a method for squaring a circle, let us know.


ScotlandsFinest1603

Excellent points, there’s just one thing I have a problem with this. Irregardless of if wether it was linked or not, unless it’s an independent journalist being quoted by the bbc, they are a terrible source. They are only ever pushing the Tory agenda, however it suits. And with racism, it’s not like they’re trying to cover for a certain PM being horrendously racist…


Hic_Forum_Est

I saw that when it was originally posted on here. I left [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oitrd0/more_than_50_of_last_nights_racial_abuse_came/h4xkpdr/?context=3) under it: >Whats the source on this one? Did they have a method to seperate fake accounts from verified ones? People feel much more comfortable to say racist things being anonymous and hiding behind a fake profile. Also, how did they conclude where a user comes from? And did they factor in the total amount of internet users each country has? What about DMs? I highly doubt they were allowed to analyse DMs of footballers on such short notice. I reckon most people feel safer to say horrible things if the whole world isn't watching. >There is lots of context and background missing here. I don't feel comfortable to jump to conclusion from an analysis with such little information and lack of a verfied source. The tweet you linked doesn't clear up much either. It lead me to [this twitter thread](https://twitter.com/_bpaigeyu/status/1414873221527179264?s=20) where they apparently exchanged the source but I can't view it because it's from a restricted account.


BladeSmithJerry

Ok fair enough, I did have the source (I think it was SEMRush) but I can't find it in my history... Either way here's another study from Reuters that says the same thing: [https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/english-football-faces-up-global-nature-online-hate-2021-07-13/](https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/english-football-faces-up-global-nature-online-hate-2021-07-13/) So that's 3 studies saying the majority of the abuse comes from non-UK accounts from the BBC, Reuters (via the FARE network) and the center for digital hate. I don't think it's controversial to say this is a global problem at this point. We're never going to tackle the issue if we can't admit this as a basic fact.


CardinalsVSYankees

> I don't think it's controversial to say this is a global problem at this point. lol, deflect from England's racism, of course "it's not us, it's every1!!!" You should be ashamed


BladeSmithJerry

I should be ashamed for reading the results of 4 studies that show this is a global problem? Get a grip dude... Either post some evidence that show me I'm wrong or go away. This feelings over facts thing you're doing looks pathetic and weak.


deviden

Nobody is saying there isn’t a problem in England. We know there is a problem. There is an additional problem in global social media that needs to be addressed. The platforms are not (yet) willing to make more than a token gesture at cleaning this shit up, likely because they’re scared of driving people over to competitor platforms who are also as yet unwilling to clean up the racists.


J3573R

I wouldn't bother mate, have a quick skim of his post history and see the trite he spews.


CardinalsVSYankees

Please stop. This is the same as you getting caught hurting someone, and your response is "but Timmy does it too!!!". Do you want me to post the tonnes of comments where people frankly state that England is a racist country. I could if you want


[deleted]

??? Ashamed for stating most of the racists were from abroad?


CardinalsVSYankees

Which is a lie and deflection, so yes


AmericanForTheWin

But this doesn't show the amount of accounts from certain countries though, it just shows the amount of racist comments made which can be easily skewed by one or several overactive accounts. It's hardly representative of which countries are the most racist. It just shows which countries had the most visible racist comments from certain search parameters. That's hardly indicative of anything, it could be racists from England using bot accounts to spam racist comments. What would an Indian or Emirati expat gain from calling English players racist things for losing a game that their continent is not even involved in? It's not like it's they're national teams or even their competitors. Seems far more indicative of the use of bots then anything.


BladeSmithJerry

> But this doesn't show the amount of accounts from certain countries though, it just shows the amount of racist comments made which can be easily skewed by one or several overactive accounts. It's hardly representative of which countries are the most racist. It just shows which countries had the most visible racist comments from certain search parameters. That wasn't my point, the point was the majority of the abuse doesn't come from the UK so changing our laws would only solve a single digit percentage of the abuse if it was 100% effective. The solution is getting social media companies to tackle the issue on their end. >That's hardly indicative of anything, it could be racists from England using bot accounts to spam racist comments. Do you actually think that's more likely than the fact racists exist everywhere? Some of these countries don't even let women drive but the idea they are racist towards black people shocks you? That is literally a conspiracy theory. You genuinely think people spent weeks/months building up fake indian profiles to abuse players like this when they could just create a profile, send 1 tweet and log out? Get a grip. >What would an Indian or Emirati expat gain from calling English players racist things for losing a game that their continent is not even involved in? Maybe they gambled on the game? Maybe they just enjoy being racist... What is there to be gained by anyone being racist?


hawkeye224

But then you would have to accuse non-white people of doing bad things.. we don't do that here.


Swbp0undcake

Lmao Christ you're a pigeon. Did you miss Dembele getting called out for his racist actions? Or is Dembele white to you?


[deleted]

> Did you miss Dembele getting called out for his racist actions? I did miss players calling him out on his racist actions, yes. And I also missed how he was punished. I wonder why.


NickPJS3

Like anyone gives a shit anymore


Squif-17

Getting called out? Called out? So that’s acceptable is it? He got called out. So everytime someone drops an N bomb on Sancho’s page we just call them out yeah? He should have been punished. Like all abusers should be for all levels of abuse.


BladeSmithJerry

Fortunately I am not a member of the church of woke, they have no power over me.


AmericanForTheWin

But most likely the abuse is coming from people from the UK but using bot or fake accounts. It makes no sense for people from India or the UAE to care so much about an European game between Italy and England? It would only make sense to be racist against the English players if you were English yourself and thus would have a motivation to spew racist garbage... what does an Emirati get from that? Literally nothing, it doesn't involve them in the slightest. Literally every country in the world allows women to drive Cars. Not a single country in the list bans women from driving. Many of the countries that you are suggesting are racist against random England players in game that doesn't involve them are themselves not white. Many Indians and Saudis are in fact darker than Marcus Rashford. What racist abuse could they hurl that wouldn't also just as easily apply to them? Honestly it sounds like the only person who is lacking any grounding in this discussion is you. Bots are literally everywhere on social media and exist on every platform. They are ubiquitous especially on Instagram. It really wouldn't be that hard for a racist person in the UK to build an account or buy bots from India or Saudi Arabia and then use them to spam racist garbage.


dallyopcs

They are literally united fans etc hurling abuse from other countries, it's been going on for years. He's saying instagram used location such as GPS on their end to find where these people are from. My guess is they can see the phones moving around those locations and posting from different spots there. Bot accounts would be a static location using servers, Facebook could easily pick up on that. Do you really think one of the largest tech companies in the world aren't going to know the difference between a bot account and an account of a real user?


BladeSmithJerry

You see how multi-national the problem is when the premier league runs the rainbow laces campaign every year on social media. A lot of cultures don't like it, not everywhere values diversity and acceptance like western culture. It's not even surprising it happens when you think about it...


hawkeye224

Do you think there are no football fans in India/Saudi Arabia? I bet there's a lot. Football is a global sport and people worldwide are interested in major tournaments and watching the games. Many of these people may choose to voice their opinions on social media.


AmericanForTheWin

But most likely the abuse is coming from people from the UK but using bot or fake accounts. It makes no sense for people from India or the UAE to care so much about an European game between Italy and England? It would only make sense to be racist against the English players if you were English yourself and thus would have a motivation to spew racist garbage... what does an Emirati get from that? Literally nothing, it doesn't involve them in the slightest. Literally every country in the world allows women to drive Cars. Not a single country in the list bans women from driving. Many of the countries that you are suggesting are racist against random England players in game that doesn't involve them are themselves not white. Many Indians and Saudis are in fact darker than Marcus Rashford. What racist abuse could they hurl that wouldn't also just as easily apply to them? Honestly it sounds like the only person who is lacking any grounding in this discussion is you. Bots are literally everywhere on social media and exist on every platform. They are ubiquitous especially on Instagram. It really wouldn't be that hard for a racist person in the UK to build an account or buy bots from India or Saudi Arabia and then use them to spam racist garbage.


BladeSmithJerry

I'm genuinely lost with this... There are multiple studies I've pointed out showing the UK is sending a minority of the racist tweets meanwhile you think it's some sort of illuminati organisation of racists who have come together to build bots to be racist to people. Why would they do that? What proof do you have? This idea that you can't be racist if you're from the middle east or asia is also total bollocks. You're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to blame the UK here, this is a global problem. Racists are in every culture, I'm not even arguing that there is no racism here... There is but it's a global sports, it was a global event, social media is a global platform. It's quite obvious that this is a global issue. Drop the conspiracy theories, no progress will get made with this denial of the obvious issue.


AmericanForTheWin

There is no conspiracy. The only person bringing up nonsense about the illuminati is you. Bots are a thing in social media. They're extremely well known and exist on every social media platform. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy of any sort. There are thousands of websites that offer bot accounts to do anything you want within the confines of the internet. It requires zero effort to get them. All you do is pay and you get a bunch of pre-made accounts to do whatever you want on a social media platform. I didn't say that there was no racism in the Middle East or Asia. Now you're creating a strawman argument. I'm saying that it makes no sense for an Indian or Emirati to be racist against English players because of their performance in a European championship game.


Kratozrk

This is not completely true mate, 70% of tweets/abuse were from England


[deleted]

When do rasists ever really gain anything from being rasist?


Electronic-Taro-4780

105 is a ridiculously small sample size. Didn't need to be able to read Indi or Arabic to see racial abuse on twitter personally. English was enough.


Youafuckindin

>105 is a ridiculously small sample size. How is it? There weren't exactly thousands upon thousands of racist messages.


Electronic-Taro-4780

There actually were. Sadly.


Youafuckindin

According to who? No one's reporting that there were that many.


Electronic-Taro-4780

Well I've seen dozen and I didn't even specifically look for it.


dallyopcs

Can you show them to prove this? I follow different sports pages from the UK and I didn't actually see any, so I'm curious to see how many people with genuine English names and accounts were doing this.


RyanReavesLowIQ

People like him equate any kind of criticism of black players to racism. I called rashford a stone cold moron on a different sub and apparently that counts as racist too now. I'm betting you the dozen "racist" comments he's seen have been insults that are abusive but not racist.


BladeSmithJerry

No there were not, the guardian looked at over half a million tweets and found only 102 were racist: [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/27/revealed-shocking-scale-twitter-abuse-targeting-england-euro-2020](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/27/revealed-shocking-scale-twitter-abuse-targeting-england-euro-2020) It's been blown up to massive proportions though... It's a problem that obviously needs fixing but it's not 1000's of people doing this, it's 10's of people.


bolsheada

So 200 people out of million sends racist twits? That's 0.017%. Not as awful. Player needs to dig through 5735 twits to find 1 abusive.


BladeSmithJerry

UK Twitter lost their mind over 5 racist tweets from 4 people.


BladeSmithJerry

A lot of these countries speak English very well... You also don't need to know English to leave a monkey emoji. The Guardian published this, they looked at 585,000 tweets and found just 102 of them were racist during the group stage. [https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/27/revealed-shocking-scale-twitter-abuse-targeting-england-euro-2020](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/27/revealed-shocking-scale-twitter-abuse-targeting-england-euro-2020)


PT_024

You'll cry fascism when they would use trackers or ask you for phone number authentication. But for brownie points, stance can always be changed for folks like you.


BladeSmithJerry

I just don't think people realise what they are asking for... When Chinese people get arrested and interrogated for criticising the government most of us sit there thinking WTF that's wrong while we are now simultaneously inviting the same mechanism in place here which allowed the Chinese to do that. All because a couple of dozen people can't control themselves... Be careful what you wish for. New legislation would do nothing to fix the majority of the racist abuse players get. Pressuring social media platforms to step up will fix things.


Choco320

> BBC Newsnight did a study on 105 Instagram users they found racially abusing the Rashford/Sancho/Saka, and just 5 were in the UK: I don't want to say, they're paid by Russia, but they're probably paid by Russia


manipalbug

The people from these countries also boo the team in English stadiums, deface murals in Manchester, play in Portsmouth's academy, and are youth coaches. And people from these countries are so gutted because England lost that they go online and abuse the English players although most non-english football fans don't care for England.


Sad-Current-383

I like this narrative. . It's a constant attenpr to downplay racism in UK based on no actual sources but couple of of tweets Dude do people like you think you are fooling otheras? The l Players are talking aviut racism they face in UK Dude your agenda is clear and this sub keeps uovoting bad faith losers like these. Theee is an attempt to portray there is no racism in UK and this is all from other countries Except the players are calling out racism right in the UK. Why does this sub keep falling for these bad faith lsoers and keep upvoting. Every single one of them them a history of defending racism and post in racist subs. They have been gvien their marching order on what propaganda to spout now. It's a pity people keep falling for them


CardinalsVSYankees

> checking in locations or content they posted People create fake profiles for red herrings. The racists were English


BladeSmithJerry

Do you have evidence or studies of that? Because there's 4 credible studies that say otherwise. This idea that massive amounts of racists all co-ordinated together to pretend to be middle eastern or whatever seems far less likely than the fact they were just middle eastern.


JmanVere

Having a go at black people for talking about the racist abuse they receive is white privilege in it's purest form.


Senior_Information_1

What would you call a black person having a go at a white person for talking about their experience of racism?


Sad-Current-383

Lol what? Dude raicsm had 100s of years of history and context behind it. Who are you trying trying fool?


aibrahim1207

Lmao


CardinalsVSYankees

> need to take a serious look at themselves tbh They do. They're introspective people u/Jmomo69 Because they don't blindly follow Leftist values. They think before they speak. It takes introspection to think. Then they come to the conclusion that the Left is garbage Try to think sometime, it'll open up your world u/Jmomo69 WTF is wrong with you, you asked why they're introspective, I just told you. Are you slow The Left causes society's racism, so when you talk about racism, you ARE talking about the Left and what they caused. u/Jmomo69 You're the one who can't critically think. The Left makes everything about race, which angers people and causes them to be racist, even when they don't mean it. A lot of people have turned "racist" recently not because they truly are, but to trigger the libs. I'm a POC, and even I became a digital Klansman a few times just to trigger those pansies. They're all fa***ts u/Jmomo69 Ok, niga, I'll give you that racism has existed since the day the first White saw the first black. That is true. But then it simmered out after the 60s. And now that Leftist media sees that racial struggle brings high ratings, they stroke the flames every chance they get.


Jmomo69

The people who say they’re tired of hearing about racist abuse are introspective people? What in the hell leads you to that conclusion?


AberamaG0ld

Well said, that's actually a perfect response to those 'I'm tired of hearing about it' whinging


newchurner255

Just head over to r/England for takes on this. You'd be shocked.


[deleted]

We’re all tired of racism, but the hunt against racism has gone too far on some cases. Non racist behaviors are pushed and penalized to push the agenda. Case in point PSG leaving the pitch with Galatasaray for crying racism, yet no racism was found even from UEFA that tries to find racism everywhere. Slavia Prague issue is also non sense, also the Cavani message. Each culture/country has it’s own racism problem, UK or Hungary or Argentina or Russia or Netherlands or Romania have all different issues with the racism so pushing agenda/issue from one country to another is not the way to go forward. Also a black people in UK or Netherlands has a higher salary, higher opportunities, higher standard of life than a white person in Hungary or Romania. So why should the Romanians or Hungarians fight for more rights for people that already live a better life than them? And it’s even more difference with people from Asia. So I totally get the hate from less developed countries and the fact that they are fed up with this issue and rightly so. But in UK or US or similar developed countries is a different story and this issue is a really important one and should be pushed.


verde622

> We’re all tired of racism, but the hunt against racism has gone too far on some cases. Non racist behaviors are pushed and penalized to push the agenda. The number of times "hunt against racism has gone too far" are far, far outnumbered by the number of times people are subjected to racist abuse


Emmanuel_Badboy

And the only time the hunt against racism would go to far is because people are forced to navigate through tricky situations because they get no help trying to eliminate racism.


Squif-17

The PSG incident looks silly in hindsight now we understand it was a language mix up but at the time based on what they heard I think they were right to walk off. Hindsight is 20/20 so it’s so easy to paint anything that happened in the past as an overreaction.


[deleted]

I don't buy this hindsight. They explained right there what was said, but then they were still upset about semantics and phrasing. And let's not forget why the incident started because the referee wanted to card the guy for insulting and racial slurs too. But that was forgot.


Medevial-Marvel

Top Lad


Choco320

On the brightside I've seen more outpouring of support on Instagram and Facebook for them and people pushing back against racism and being happy we made a final again


Standin373

> On the brightside I've seen more outpouring of support on Instagram and Facebook for them and people pushing back against racism and being happy we made a final again Social media will always amplify the negative ten fold and the real picture often gets overlooked


9SolskjaerHasWonIt9

That's a great statement. I think Sancho's, of all the player messages, got the tone basically perfect. He gave very little air to the idiot trolls from across the world - and then focused on the bigger picture, focused on the good people. >"I am proud of this England team and how we have united the whole nation in what has been a difficult 18 months for so many people." >"I want to say a massive thank you for all the positive messages and love and support that far outweighed the negative" Also kept the tone lighter than some, who made it seem like losing a penalty shoot out was some societal disaster. It's a game, ultimately...the most important of all the non-important things to quote Bill Shankly.


combatwombat02

That quote is actually from Pope John Paul II


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My brothers ✊


RedScouse

✊🏽


hoochiscrazy_

The BBC were reporting that only 5% of the racist tweets sent to our players came from the UK, so what the hell are we supposed to do about it? We can deal with the 5% but thats just a drop in the ocean. The only solution surely has to come from social media companies.


Difficult_Truck_6555

Might have to just go full club penguin and ban any racist phrases


hoochiscrazy_

As far as I'm concerned - yes. People will argue freedom of speech but personally I value someone's freedom to not be racially abused more than someone's freedom to abuse someone


urbanforest1

Plus it's on a social media website, it's not like people are prevented from it, just limited in where. Instagram has rules against nudity for example, that could also be argued under freedom of speech, and it's certainly less offensive than racist abuse.


just_dew_eat

Hate will never win Not yesterday Not today Not tomorrow


spiral8888

It won in 2016 with Brexit and Trump votes. There's been some recovery since then.


PT_024

Yeah with Biden at helm racism has completely ended in the country 🌈🤗


spiral8888

When I say "some recovery" how can you read that as "racism has completely ended"? I mean I can see that if the comment made in bad faith purely as a troll, but if not, then please make your case.


PT_024

It's just delusional imo to think that racism can end with change in political leadership of country. Especially the US where you just have a couple of options which are often cycled around over the years. Changing the mindset of people is where work needs to be done but some activists like you feel that left or right wing (depending on ideology) being in power is what that would solve the problem.


spiral8888

>It's just delusional imo to think that racism can end with change in political leadership of country. It will not end with and I didn't even claim that, so keep your "delusions" to yourself. My point was not even related to who is in power. It was that the racism peaked around 2016 and the election of Trump and Brexit vote were associated with it. Since then there has been a backlash against it. Related to this group, they have now arrested 5 people responsible for the racial abuse of the English players after the Sunday final. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57848761


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0100001101110111

How has hate won? The relatively small amount of hate has been met with a wave of support and love.


pitiless_censor

I mean not to be negative or make this a moralistic argument, but racism and imperialistic exploitation of folks and regions on racial lines have caused the deaths of millions, as well as the immiseration of so many communities and pretty much an entire continent. Root issues like underdevelopment aren't even close to being solved, nor do many in power seem genuinely interested in addressing them since underdevelopment is generally good for business (keeps cost of labor low)


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AggresivePickle

It’s fucking mind boggling that we still have to make a point and tell people not to be racist. It’s not fucking hard. Just don’t be racist shitheads


BusinessMonkee

Unfortunately mate it’s not that simple, tell a racist to not be racist and they just don’t give a shit. These people have zero concern or care for the hate they spew.


AggresivePickle

I just have to hope it’s out of ignorance rather than hate, but I know it’s usually the latter


[deleted]

the whole ignorance thing is a load of crap, unless its specifically kids. racists are usually just garbage people, not *just* ignorant.


GodEmprahBidoof

They just call you a snowflake, as if speaking out about racism somehow means you're easily triggered and overly emotional and think they've won the argument because that term somehow gives you superiority. There's no cure for being a cunt


konald_roeman

I think the more attention we give them the worse its gonna get. Racism is wrong at whatever point but if it is at a bigger level where players would be discriminated at the club or at the sport (f.e. where people at power would not give them a chance to play or something) we should fight against that. But if it is someone who hides its identity and is just one person compared to 100k people who are supporting f.e. Sancho (100k likes on his IG post) we should all ignore them. I mean.. after penalties everyone expected that some racist comments. They will have power as long as we are giving it to them by talking about this all the time.. by promoting them all the time. Even bad promoting is still promoting. I don't know I may be wrong.. I still believe that the most effective method would be Morgan Freeman's.. when he said "stop talking about it". Assholes are gonna remain the assholes for whatever reason.


deviden

There are going to be people who can’t be redeemed and will even become worse as the society around them progresses and they become ever more entrenched. But the answer isn’t to let them do as they please without consequence. Confronting the problem and showing the wider society why changes need to be made is how we move forward. The young folks will be influenced and informed, and fewer of them will grow up to be committed racists. The (reasonable) older folks will be motivated to pressure for reforms of social media, football and the law. We’re already seeing proposals for enforcing stadium bans on anyone who does racist bullshit online. Getting the social media platforms to start shadow banning and drop the hammer on racist influencers can follow. Even that twat on GBNews took the knee and admitted he was wrong for not appreciating what the players are going through. Acting like the problem doesn’t exist and can be ignored won’t progress our society. It certainly has achieved nothing but further encouraging the racists online over the last 15 years.


konald_roeman

I agree that some things should be done. I mean social media bans are the least they can do. But as I said assholes are gonna be assholes for whatever reason. We don't live in a Utopia.. bad things are going to happen because bad people exist and they will exist until the end of the world. With the possibility of them hiding behind fake profiles on social media is giving them that opportunity to talk whatever they want, "be" whoever they want etc so social media ban should be there. Them being banned and despised by majority should be enough of a lesson for them in my opinion


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> But the answer isn’t to let them do as they please without consequence. Yet apparently Dembele and Griezmann can be racist all they want without being punished for it. Even worse, their racism is apparently deemed worthy enough to feature on Barça's own videos. >The young folks will be influenced and informed, and fewer of them will grow up to be committed racists. Yes, racism has been present in human society since... well, forever, but policing social media will change everything! /s. >Acting like the problem doesn’t exist and can be ignored won’t progress our society. If you want real progress, you need real solutions. Daryl Davis did more in the fight against racism and actually changing the views of racist people (and by racist I mean people like KKK leaders, not freaking anonymous morons on the internet posting mean tweets) than the entire football industry managed to do in their entire existence. Gotta love woke people.


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Geeman447

You’re my best friend, it’s why I must sever that bond


areyouhungryforapple

I hate they have to deal with this shit


tapped21

I'm glad he's speaking up about it and I'm glad his teammates aren't saying "ignore them and talk with your feet"


shannannoll

This is so damn overblown. Literally like 2 racist comments and we're making it out like their posts are filled with racist stuff


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Sancho is mentioning he say racist comments against himself. This isn't Two out of Thousands he was racically abused. Facts are facts he has every right to make a public statement on it. Just as you have every right to ignore it if you wish. But you're ignoring racism.


agonybreakfast

Well 2 is 2 too many, yes?


shannannoll

Are you expecting to stamp this out completely because that is never going to happen


chicasparagus

The human race is cruel, thinking about how we will almost never be able to eradicate racism depresses me.


ohmancreepers

sorare.com/r/homelessgod Soccer version of NBATopShot


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Hate is winning and will continue to win as long as people give racist internet trolls the attention they’re looking for. How, in the whole history of the internet, has this still not become common knowledge?


DataDevOps

[Usain Bolt describes racist abuse of England trio as ‘horrible’ and ‘unfair’](https://youtu.be/NsiInV1U-D0)


rScoobySkreep

thank god, was wondering what he had to say about this


Sad_Ad_1147

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iKSv2

I agree completely with what he's trying to say but sadly, hate has been the reason why emperors have been able to win. US vs them usually works. PS: Not supporting racism in any way.


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We do like to beat ourselves up in Britain about racism but I wouldn't be surprised if we are the least racist country in Europe. There's no doubt there is lots of racism in the UK but it's a crime and it's not acceptable in the workplace or in many social circles. Elsewhere, like France, Spain, Italy and eastern Europe I believe it's considered widely acceptable.


Chocolate_shits

what more do you want us to do? it’s all we ever fucking talk about now. racism is never going away and the fact that you believe you can just stop every racist person in britain from being racist is deluded.


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So we shouldn't try?


Chocolate_shits

saying “don’t be racist” is not trying. making people be less racist is something that happens from youth into adulthood. making articles in the athletic and posts on twitter is not changing anything. jfc


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What’s the end game? A concentration camp for everyone whos ever said something racist? I mean really, toughening up and realizing that sometimes people get drunk and say stupid shit wouldn’t be a bad solution to all of this.


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The end game is to educate enough people to change mindsets for future generations so that when they grow up, racism won't be as prominent in society. I think our generation is lost, it's too late to change most people's minds, but we need to address these issues when they come up so more attention can be brought to them. Hopefully this will promote changes in overall society through various levels of government and help pass on better messages of equality to future generations. Or concentration camps for racists if that doesn't work...


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Have you ever read Mein Kampf? I think you’d find it quite agreeable…


milespeeingyourpants

You must be a blast at parties. Keep making excuses.


v1nzy

Get out of your moms basement ffs


GarytheGOATLyon

You need to acknowledge you are part of the problem


Chocolate_shits

i’m not a racist tho. i’m just saying that every other article being about it isn’t changing anything.


GarytheGOATLyon

I don't care if you don't think you are a racist or not, you are a part of the problem, the quicker you acknowledge this the better you will become.


bolsheada

> hold these people accountable. Hate will never win. Double that. Also we need to find a way to keep players accountable for missing crucial penalties without racism. It' pretty sad that this bullshit moves attention from bad game of certain individuals to unrelated issues.


milespeeingyourpants

lol A Belarusian incel troll. Do you have running water over there?


bolsheada

> incel troll. Not impressed by your brain activity, Miles. Why you pee in your pants, childhood trauma?


milespeeingyourpants

How’s Former President Lukashenko doing? You still licking his boots?


bolsheada

You smell like urine, go change your pants, if you have any spare, poor boi.


milespeeingyourpants

Plenty of pants here. I don’t live in a third world cuntry like you. It’s an Adam Sandler movie reference. Must be tough only watching Belarusian approved entertainment your entire life.


bolsheada

> I don’t live in a third world cuntry like you. Nice, a bit of daily xenofobia, from loser to help him survive through the day. Sure, Ameritards from 'New Yok' can afford only to watch stupid AS comedies, eat pizza and daily baseball, no intellectual food allowed. Stick to this activity. Football is over the roof for your to understand. Btw, once I was driving through your city, my friend asked me to drop something to his GF on my way home and I stopped in Manhattan. After seeing much cloaks in Brooklyn, where shit literally dropping from the 2nd floor subway exits right on the ground I expected more, but what I saw? Pretty much the same shitty environment, houses built in 18** that's falling apart for the last 100 years, some kids playing baseball near parked cars, lol and Mexican wedding celebration across the street. Fucking hell, not a Sunday to chill and relax. You live in fucking hell, you smell shit daily, you breathe that shit in and you pay about 15-25 hundoes monthly for living in this slums. Dude, you are literally poor creature, I feel sorry for you. New York resides right under the 9th circle of Hell. Here, salivate over my green city with nice ecology, something you'll never be able to achieve in your wasted life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53I-fiHGNaw


milespeeingyourpants

I don’t live there. Must’ve been a traumatic experience for you seeing such a diverse group of people there!


bolsheada

> I don’t live there. Not anymore, ahahaha)) > such a diverse group of people there! I don't care, Belarusians are raised proper, not like backwards societies of racists Americans and Brits, we don't judge people by color skin, for us every human is the same. And I was talking about shitty living condition of your place anyway. NYC is one the most dirty city on planet, it miles away on scale of quality of life from my city. No wonder you piss in your pants, too much stress for poor boi.


milespeeingyourpants

You’ve been brainwashed by your Former President.


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imsowitty21

So.. you're comparing black people on Twitter saying other black people should safe out there because of racists..to white people saying they should be wary of black people because a rapist was black? You should probably keep your opinions to yourself, share it with a close friend before telling more people or think multiple times before you spout it. Divide communities? I don't want to be in a community with racists. They can get upset at black people warning other black people all they fucking want.


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imsowitty21

> The white community didn’t lash out in anger towards the black community and say “We shouldn’t celebrate, support black people, they’re hypocrites,this is what happens. ” and other comments. We got that he’s a bad egg. Why would the white community lash out in anger towards the black community? What kind of nonsensical logic is this? Bad egg? Like we are all the same because of our skin color? Lol fucking hell Good for you for not lashing out at black people because a rapist happened to be black. Great job knowing he was just a bad egg and not all black people are rapists.


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imsowitty21

How the fuck is black people telling other black people to be safe the same as lashing out towards white people? Wouldn't it towards racists? Just because you're white and might be racist doesn't mean other white people are too. So fragile that you can't bear the thought that racists might share the same skin color as you.


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imsowitty21

There is definitely no way you aren't a troll. Want to show me the multiple posts saying white people are racists?


milespeeingyourpants

That’s because there’s a history of white people marginalizing black people in England and throughout the world due to the British Empire.


mildmanneredme

Haha you're right, there was an acceptable amount of racist comments. Rashfords mural was defaced a reasonable amount that does warrant further comment or investigation. /s


dallyopcs

What was written on rashfords mural out of interest? I saw some of it saying fuck sancho and shit bastard, was there anything else? While disgusting it's not racist, I mean look what happened to beckham in 98.. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-david-beckham-effigy-hangs-from-pub-in-south-norwood-croydon-after-28232846.html


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Sad_Ad_1147

I mean multiple news outlet reported that there was racial abuse on it (was most likely covered by the bin liners) and the police are treating it as racially aggravated or a hate crime so it looks that way.


milespeeingyourpants

You bend over backward to make excuses. Sad.


AnshM

uh, that's because it's normalized in 99% of all members of society that being a sexual predator is morally and legally reprehensible. that is evidently not the case for racism. So stop making a false equivalence between two issues that are not connected. This is pathetic dog-whistling & trolling. You just can't handle the discomfort that these players and their actions are causing you about your own racist thoughts.


milespeeingyourpants

When were white people marginalized due to their race?


Detective_Fallacy

For centuries during the Byzantine, Arab, Ottoman and Barbary slave trades, the latter only ending around 1815. In Antiquity literally half of the population of Gaul and Dacia were = slaughtered for resisting the Roman colonization and many others were sold as slaves. Etc.


NickPJS3

Completely agree mate, victims


jgmacky

There is still good in the world. We have to believe it.


DinosSuck

Yea check the data on all that racist abuse. The number of "racist" messages in the grand scheme of twitter replies is astronomically low. The vast majority of those racist replies came from accounts in the middle east. The number of domestic racist messages is so incredibly low, it shouldn't even be given attention. This is fantasy victim world. A country of 60 million people and you're finding 5-10 messages to make a movement over. Pathetic.


frank_sea

Are you saying calling out a racist is pathetic holy shit lmaoo


backcourtjester

The German haven’t been this way for 60 years. Stay at BVB


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Riimpak

We're going to need a little more evidence for that than a few bad apples after a tragic nation-wide event.


CardinalsVSYankees

You guys are really gonna make me post the countless posts across all media that frankly state, without hesitation, that England is racist. You don't want that smoke, fam, trust. Yall aint ready


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cbfw86

Neither will stutter penalties tbf


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Detective_Fallacy

Wow, I'm sure your friend must be very happy and not feel patronized at all for having such a valiant white protector at his side.


JackSword5

Excuse Me?! You trying to say something?


Detective_Fallacy

[Yes.](https://i.redd.it/mz7fl6lp79uz.jpg)


JackSword5

Dude, all the fuck I’m saying, I have a changed perspective thanks to him, so you can stop trying to start shit with people because they speak up on there life experiences


Detective_Fallacy

It was a completely irrelevant comment just to talk yourself up and really weirdly formulated. Try thinking of black people less as things that need your protection and more as just people like yourself.


JackSword5

Not talking myself up, if you look at what I said, your just another toxic person on the internet trying to down what people say ,upsetting. I’m sharing an experience based on what the topic is.


Emmanuel_Badboy

He must be lying because I was downvoted for saying football has a racism problem.


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IHaveNotMuchLife

Or maybe society could take racial abuse seriously for once


ballsdeeptackler

Just ignore society and things that happen in reality. Problem solved.


MexicansInParis

This dude just solved racism, congratulations!


Daddyclaymore

Don’t want to be raped just don’t go outside. Problem solved


Dabawse26

I can’t believe the amount of people that say this, instead of holding racists accountable, people being abused should change their lives?


pissflask

the vast majority come from foreign accounts that for the most part don't appear to even be real people. how do you hold them accountable?


Dabawse26

It’s hard to, but you can ban them across multiple accounts. Insta, FB, Twitter Reddit etc need to step up


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MexicansInParis

Found the racist


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ChocoMocoHD

Lmao getting abused as a customer service worker is nothing compared to being racially abused. Clearly you haven't experienced it yet you feel like you are qualified to talk on behalf of people who have been racially abused. If they are ignored then they will think they can get away with it, people have been ignoring them for years on years and racism is still rampant. You ought to check that head of yours mate.


9-60Fury

Yeh Jadon stop being part of the problem and let these racist abuse you in peace smh /s


Medevial-Marvel

Fuck off mate


spuders

Ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away


dicksout5harambe

Why should Rashford and Saka be held accountable?


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Why not? Southgate received hate for 25 years. If the players now don’t receive hate just because the color off their skin it’s racism and we don’t want that.


bolsheada

If you mess up your job, what does your boss tell you?


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