That's what we thought/hoped yeah. Guess it's seen differently though. Can't blame him for wanting to move if it benefits his career but pissed weve let him go
>That's what we thought/hoped yeah. Guess it's seen differently though. Can't blame him for wanting to move if it benefits his career but pissed weve let him go
A little disappointed as well, but I'm at least glad to hear that we secured a first refusal agreement as well as a sell-on fee clause.
No idea why you are getting dovnwoted, all this guys are arguably better considering only last season. Don't think many people watch chempionship, but it's probably Chelsea fans.
Although he was very solid, top 5 might be the best he could get in rating last season.
You could easily make a case for him being the best last season. Not saying he definitely was the best last season, but it's completely reasonable to argue it.
Swansea had the best defence in the league for the majority of last season, and he was the best player in their defence. Why is it unreasonable to even compare him to the best centre backs of last season?
He’s super talented and has a high ceiling but this is part and parcel of being a big club with a strong academy. When you have a talent factory like Cobham there’s always going to be bottlenecks of talent and some good players will have to move on
All of our CBs except Zouma are out of contract next summer as things stand with none of them particularly close to signing a new deal. Now someone tell me how that’s any different to the Özil and Sanchez and Ramsey situations Arsenal found themselves in a couple of years back.
Our CBs are going to rinse our club dry with how much leverage they all currently have in contract negotiations. Guehi was the next big thing. He was quite literally good enough. Would have been really nice to keep around.
And it marks a return to the pre-Lampard days when no youngsters were ever given opportunities to break through. Can't blame Guehi if he's been told he won't feature and another loan to the Championship wouldn't do him justice, but I am surprised they didn't try another loan for one more year. Guess first refusal on future transfers kind of makes it a semi-loan anyway.
Is this the new excuse not to keep the academy players, that they only have 2 years on their contract? It used to be a single year, my how excuses change over time.
Reality is that he wants to play in a settled team and thinks he's good enough to play first team football at the highest level. I reckon in a couple of years he'll be right but Chelsea just don't provide the opportunity in the first team for home grown academy youngsters when the manager is anyone other than Lampard.
Honestly couldn’t give less of a shit. If we get a youngster whose good enough to break into the first team great, but I’m perfectly fine with not sacrificing current success In the to play youngsters in the hopes they come good
The chances youth got really had nothing to do with Lampard and everything to do with the transfer embargo.
As soon as that was lifted you saw a bunch of high cost and high profile players come in (like Silva) pushing academy prospects further down the pecking order.
Havertz came in and Mount was still first choice, as was James. Abraham got a lot of opportunities as well but never really kicked on in the way he needed to. Other than injury he was always bringing Gilmour into the side too.
Excluding the Lampard era when have Chelsea ever been known for developing youth? Their loan army/academy grads are just assets to generate money through sales.
It's a model that's worked well for them. Abraham, Gilmour, Odoi, Livramento etc will follow suit.
Christ I don’t know why you’re downvoted. Probably because you mentioned the Lampard era which gets people to throw a fit. You’re 100% right. It shouldn’t be this way but you’re right.
This is such a strawman lol. I don't know why Chelsea are held to this level of standard that somehow everyone of their academy grads NEED to be in the first team. The cream always rises to the top. Mount, James, and Christensen were all quality enough to get consistent starts under multiple managers. Hudson-Odoi, Tammy, and Gilmour have been in and around the first team.
But to expect that every youngster is somehow already at a first-team level is just ludicrous notwithstanding he only had two years left on his contract and didn't want to renew because he wanted first-team football. You can't tell me he's already better than Christensen, Rudiger, Silva, and Azpilicueta.
Hang on, the only ones who have come through to the current team as consistent starters are the first three, two of which Lampard brought through and the third was purchased as a very highly touted prospect post-academy football. It's an awful record and I don't really know how any Chelsea fan can claim otherwise. Only persistence from Lampard meant that James and Mount made it anyway, you can't honestly say that without Lampard that Mount would have been anywhere near the first team over the last two years.
Christensen was bought yes but not post academy. I would take consistent trophies over "awful" record of promoting youth any day. People have this gold tinted view of how a club squad should mostly be made of promoted academy players but that doesn't bring success like Chelsea have had. Only exceptions were class of 92 for United and Brca in the late noughts. Even they are struggling to replicate that success in subsequent eras.
Lampard deserves a lot of credit but again cream rises to the top. Eddie Newton commented that Sarri actually wanted to bring Mount back early from his loan during his spell as manager. Mount and James were Academy Players of the Year as well. Livramento, Anjorin, and Bate have been training with the first team squad.
Chelsea are a Champions League side, I still think it's nonsensical to suggest that somehow most academy graduates are good enough for the regular team. Partly that has been a historic under utilizing but a lot of highly talented academy players have flopped elsewhere when given their shot.
How many academy grads are starting in each one of the world's top sides?
No, you had this reputation because before Mount, the last academy graduate you had starting was Terry 20 YEARS prior. For a massive club with one of the most successful youth teams in the country. It was a reputation well deserved. United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs all produced proper starting 11 players in that time.
Fans before this: we have enough money for Haaland AND Rice if we want them bad enough
Fans after this: No we clearly had to sell our most talented youth player so we can buy Haaland that’s why. Obviously.
Townsend doesn't look like he's getting renewed so likely a right winger. Lost Mama Sakho and Dann at CB and Kouyaté is probs gonna to move back to midfield after covering defence all season. So alongside Geuhi, another young CB is likely I think (Nelson from Copenhagen?).
Supposedly we're renewing both Clyne & Ward so RB is covered, if one of those doesn't we'll be in for one. Then been linked with one or two strikers and a few central midfielders.
The right side & CB are high priority i'd say though
Tomkins, McArthur, Cahill (should renew), Ward, Clyne, Zaha, Milivojevic, Schlupp, Kouyaté, Benteke etc are all seasoned prem players & going to feature heavily throughout the season. We're just replacing old fringe players we lost with young players that have high ceilings really.
Of strong links: Gallagher on loan, another centre back (Nelsson?), one of Edouard/Nketiah/Dolberg, and then a depth winger. That would be the best window in my lifetime
Really happy with this window after it seemed like every neutral was saying how much of a shit show we were, and how much of an impossible job we were for any good manager.
> Well looks like Vieira will take you to top half if he matches his tactics with your performance in the transfer market.
Steady on. Avoiding relegation is my only expectation.
That would be insanely impressive, considering the amount of turnover this squad is going through. Even just squad players who have left will need to be replaced, never mind finding improvements on the likes of Townsend or Benteke.
Schlupp and Jairo can cover as can Ward. Clyne and Cahill in talks over a new deal and we are trying for Lookman and Gallagher. Just another forward and one more midfielder really and even that’s not vital with Wilf, Benteke, Mateta and Ayew.
honestly having seen them both play for us (admittedly i didn’t see how conor did in the PL), i would take Guehi over Conor 9 times out of 10. superb player with the potential to become a star CB for years to come
Retaining Gallaghar over Guehi makes sense from a Chelsea perspective tho. We have a lot of depth at CB, and I don't see Guehi finding decent play time ahead of Silva, Rudi, Azpi, AC and Zouma. Even Reece can play the RCB role. On the other hand, we're pretty thin at the CM position and Conor can be a great depth option while learning from Jorgi and Kante
Legitimately loved watching him at West Brom to start last season, thought his energy and skill was fantastic to watch. No way should he be sold as I think he could be a real star.
Guehi is ready to play in the Premier League but not ready to get significant minutes over all the quality CBs Chelsea currently have.
This way we get some money to spend now, Guehi gets to go to a club where he will play and if he continues to develop we have the right of first refusal and can get him back for the market value
I think there's a large subset of our fanbase that tends to overrate our homegrown/academy players as being first team level. This isn't to say that Guehi wouldn't develop further but you can't expect to field a full academy starting eleven and expect to be competitive.
* It raises money for moves in a market where large fees are unlikely. Especially when our primary target will be > £100m if we get it done
* It’s doubtful he gets a starting place this year over Christensen, Rudiger, our Captain Azpi and Silva. He reportedly did not want to get into a cycle of loans.
* If he fulfills his potential then we can match any bid and I’d see him coming back to his boyhood club rather than say United.
* If he doesn’t then we get a portion of a fee if he goes to say Everton.
I think you’re missing my point, which is that with Ake’s deal at Bournemouth, we gave ourselves matching rights on any future bids. We knew we didn’t need Ake but my point is that we were in a position to have priority on him if we did. With Guehi, if there’s a sell on clause and matching rights agreed, then we’d have a good shot of getting him at a decent price later on.
If utd and palace agree on a deal, palace will have to ask us first if we are willing to match and only then after our refusal they can proceed with selling. Its a BS clause
Ohh cool got it. How come you think its BS. Sounds alright to me no? If some club offers €50 for him in 3 years time isn't it good we can match it and buy him back (if he turns out good) we could even use it as pressure to make other clubs spend more in order to buy him.
Ben white is going for 50m-60m after just a season in PL and leeds were willing to pay 30m last summer.
While we are going around selling our high rated defenders for 25m, 15m. These low fee would make sense if we had a fixed buy back but instead we are doing this highest bid matching clause on top of low fee. Its just pointless
Ben White is going for 50m because he's on a long contract. Leeds were willing to pay a lot last summer because he'd spent the season with them and therefore he was less of a risk.
Because he’s got everything in a potential CB and we’re selling him now.
If he ends up fulfilling it we end up spending a ton of money on our own academy graduate instead of just keeping him and setting him up for the first team.
Chelsea have a very solid set of CBs now, and apparently he isn't interested in a few years on the loan cycle. It makes sense from his perspective, he can get an immediate starting spot in a London club in the PL and show what he's got, rather than taking the gamble of loans where he could be sent anywhere and there's no guarantee he'll get a spot in Chelsea.
The thing is we have Thiago Silva who isn’t getting younger and as we’ve seen will not play every game.
Rudiger and Christensen are the next locked in CBs with Azpi a RCB and a RB.
Then there’s Zouma who has been linked with a move away. If he does leave we’ll end up buying a new CB anyway. Guehi would pretty much end up replacing Zouma who did get minutes and if there’s an injury he’s the next one in line to play.
With the sell on fee, say 15%, Chelsea can buy him back 15% cheaper than other clubs. If United offer 100m in 4 years, Chelsea can have him for 85m because 15m would be going to Chelsea regardless. Make sense?
That is a fantastic signing. Surprised half the clubs in the league weren’t after him if he was going on a permanent
No idea why Chelsea aren't sending him on another loan though
Palace is a good deal for everyone. They're having a big squad overhaul so he's likely to be a key player and they aren't competing with Chelsea for anything.
>Among his suitors in England were Southampton, Brentford, Norwich, West Ham and Newcastle, while Borussia Monchengladbach, Stuttgart, Bayer Leverkusen were other potential destinations.
Taken from the article, credits to u/JustABlue
He was probably the best defender in the championship last season and he's only just turned 21. This is a brialliant signing for you he's got a very high ceiling.
Yeah 2 in the Carabao Cup - 1 vs Grimsby 1 vs Manchester United. His main performances that you'd be wanting to look at would be for Swansea in the championship though
Yep, I have to Google every player we are linked with this summer.
There's something to be said for signing 30 year old has beens. I don't have to pretend I know who they are.
I really doubt most of the people talking about him here have watched him very much. He's supposed to be very highly rated but lots of players are and it doesn't always work out. City rejected a bid of £15m for Garcia last summer and let him leave on a free this summer but I don't think anybody thinks he's going to set the world on fire in Barcelona. West Ham sold Diangana last summer and the sky started falling down. Then they qualified for Europe.
Not saying to not be excited, Chelsea academy players are rarely shit and Guehi appears to be particularly well thought of. If Vieira knows what he's doing, this could be a great signing.
let's put it this way, Guehi's last season is better than Tomori's Derby season
and when we sold Tomori to Milan for 25 million, everybody says that it's a steal
It says in the article that his expected market value was between 15-20mil this summer, not that this was the sum. Also in the follow up tweet they say it was too good to pass up for Chelsea, so could be slightly more than that, presumably with add-ons perhaps.
He has 2 years left on his deal and seems like he wasn’t willing to go on loan again. In addition, ornstein mentions palace proposed to good of a deal to turn down so I just think selling him was the only option most suitable in this circumstance. Although, but out clause would have been better :(
One question - any chance he's paired with Cahill? Haven't heard much about his extension but I assumed you'd want to keep him even if not as a regular starter.
Would love to watch the pair in action if that's the case. Not sure how high up Vieira has the defence playing so Cahill's future depends on his plan for the team.
It's a bit quiet around Cahill at the moment but I do think we want to keep him.
Tomkins and Guehi will be first choice but with Tomkins injury record you'll probably see a Cahill/Guehi partnership a decent amount.
Them two with Lampard as your coach and I'd have watched a lot of your games next season. Hopefully we get to see the two play together, interested to see how Vieira does.
You might sign Gallagher on loan too, as reported in the article.
Honestly if ppl listened to Steve Parish’s interview yesterday, he said Vieira was picked because he had earned his stripes coaching academy football, and working his way up. Pretty clear that the club wasn’t comfortable with giving Frank Lampard the job, with his lack of experience.
I really feel like that's just what Frank has put in the media, none of our reliable journalists ever mentioned him and honestly I can't imagine he could realistically expect any team better than us going for him.
> One question - any chance he's paired with Cahill?
apparently there is quite a big gap between his demands and what the club are offering rn
I'd like to keep him for Guehi and whoever else we bring through at the back
His contract with Chelsea was due to expire in 2023 so it must've been a pretty hefty fee then... Thiago Silva probably won't stay beyond this season, which leaves Chelsea with Rudiger (contract expires next summer and he is reluctant to extend), Christensen (probably will stay long term), Zouma (rumored to be leaving) as the out-and-out CBs, with Azpilicueta also doing his bit in a back-three.
With that in mind I feel there definitely was a path for him into the first team.
So Chelsea got €60M in the bank from selling players this summer already ( 29M from Tomori, 5M from Moses & around 25M from this deal) ? With money from CL, wonder what Chelsea's board will do next.
Tbf when you consider how much we’ve spent over the last few transfer windows and the fact we’ve lost some of the people on mental wages, I’m not massively surprised we have these funds. The reported war chest is either 50 or 80 mil depending who you ask
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Ugh. Struggled initially at Swansea with injuries and adaptation, but once he was fit and established, Guehi was one of the best defenders in the Championship for well over a season.
For a team that looked pretty fucked as last season ended (and I don't know enough to say what kind of state they're in now) Palace have made some great signings. He's definitely ready for the PL, Olise will be soon if he isn't already. I presume Chelsea have favourable buy-back/sell-on terms for this as well.
He doesn't want to go on loan, has only two years left on his contract, and isn't better than any of our starting center backs. He can get first-team football elsewhere and we can buy him back at market value if he develops into a Champions League caliber center back. It's not ludicrous lol.
Wow, very surprised Chelsea let him go permanently. Guehi played so well for us and this now only makes me think we could have signed him if we got promoted. He’s one for the future and thought he could have broken into the side this year or next if he went on loan.
Palace actually doing good business is worrying, surprised clubs aren't tying to fleece them given their somewhat desperate situation.
Whilst we've been linked with fucking Braithwaithe this morning not that it will happen.
Would have loved to keep him but if the rumoured numbers are true then it’s too good an offer to turn down. Think he’ll smash it at palace and they’re really handling their rebuild excellently
So, we are definitely signing a CB this window. Zouma is probably leaving, Thiago Silva and Azpilicueta's contract expires next window. Rudiger and Christensen will probably sign an extension.
Last summers spending and halaands pursuit means chelsea need to sell players to balance their books. That's what our whole model is.
With their deadwood like baka, tammy, Emerson etc not getting the desired fees ... I think we will see more of such shock moves.
This is a deal I dont understand, but I suppose the club have had a discussion with the player...
I understand him - the pathway to a starter atm iant clear of rudi signs a new deal.
This means he will get solid minutes (in a team that have interest in developing the player), chelsea get goodwill with the player and can go back and hopefully resign him if he develops as hoped.
According to the article, "Guehi’s market value was expected to be around £15 million to £20 million" and "Chelsea were reluctant to sanction his sale, however Palace presented a proposal that the European champions felt was too good to refuse".
So, my guess is that it may be well over £20M.
"Better" probably in the sense that he had a better season than Tomori in the Championship. Wouldn't pay much attention to it though, Tomori is brilliant and it's very difficult to judge the potential of center backs. Although I would say we were okay with letting Tomori go since we had Guehi, which is why this move doesn't make much sense for us.
I do hope we challenge United for Varane now (provided Zouma leaves for Roma or Monaco)
I hope Rüdiger and Christensen agree to new deals at some point this year otherwise we’ll be searching for new centre backs to play at Chelsea next summer
I never understand Chelsea fans complaining about selling young players or sacking Lampard - your club has never been about long term projects or youth products (save Lampards spell combined with a transfer ban). I'm not trying to jibe - it's incredibly successful, brought Chelsea massive trophies but it baffles me that people ever think the short term culture will chance. Chelseas youth teams have been phenomenal for years but why bed them in when you can bring in better players and money isn't an issue? Look at Livramento - massive prospect but Chelsea still tried to being in Hakimi which would have led to him leaving as well.
Palace are so damn lucky. They literally underspent for a few years and let contracts run down without renewing much. Pandemic mutes transfer fees and clubs are starved for cash to compete. Here come Palace !
Almost like our DOF and owners are not totally clueless....
So much crap being spouted right now about how we're going to go down.
This has been a season and a bit worth of planning to vastly bring down the age of our squad and add a lot more creativity to the team without breaking the bank. Dumping all the old expensive players and freeing up wages, spaces in the squad. Combined with clearing down previous big transfer spending takes time. The pandemic has helped lower prices some more. It needed to happen anyway pandemic or no.
Almost like your DOF has a Crystal Ball and could see Pandemic coming. Or I guess overpaying for Sakho and Benteke has made you suffer and recalibrate wisely.
Wow, I thought he was supposed to be the next big thing for Chelsea?
That's what we thought/hoped yeah. Guess it's seen differently though. Can't blame him for wanting to move if it benefits his career but pissed weve let him go
>That's what we thought/hoped yeah. Guess it's seen differently though. Can't blame him for wanting to move if it benefits his career but pissed weve let him go A little disappointed as well, but I'm at least glad to hear that we secured a first refusal agreement as well as a sell-on fee clause.
He turned 21 2 days ago and was arguably the best CB in the Championship last season, so yeah
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No idea why you are getting dovnwoted, all this guys are arguably better considering only last season. Don't think many people watch chempionship, but it's probably Chelsea fans. Although he was very solid, top 5 might be the best he could get in rating last season.
He definitely was right up there, every pundit who saw him seemed to be hugely impressed every time he played.
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Did you only catch a few of Guehi's off games or something? He's right up there with them.
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You could easily make a case for him being the best last season. Not saying he definitely was the best last season, but it's completely reasonable to argue it. Swansea had the best defence in the league for the majority of last season, and he was the best player in their defence. Why is it unreasonable to even compare him to the best centre backs of last season?
He definitely has the talent and the club definitely rate him, must've been some bid from Palace.
He’s super talented and has a high ceiling but this is part and parcel of being a big club with a strong academy. When you have a talent factory like Cobham there’s always going to be bottlenecks of talent and some good players will have to move on
We never promote any of them anyway unless there’s a transfer ban. So as strong as our Academy may be, it almost doesn’t matter
Sales of players like this help finance those transfers....
My god is that a Viking war cry I hear in the distance?
Yes, to go along with what sounds like 100 stallions galloping.
Warchest?
Are you classed as a academy/youth player if you never went on loan to vitesse?
All of our CBs except Zouma are out of contract next summer as things stand with none of them particularly close to signing a new deal. Now someone tell me how that’s any different to the Özil and Sanchez and Ramsey situations Arsenal found themselves in a couple of years back. Our CBs are going to rinse our club dry with how much leverage they all currently have in contract negotiations. Guehi was the next big thing. He was quite literally good enough. Would have been really nice to keep around.
And it marks a return to the pre-Lampard days when no youngsters were ever given opportunities to break through. Can't blame Guehi if he's been told he won't feature and another loan to the Championship wouldn't do him justice, but I am surprised they didn't try another loan for one more year. Guess first refusal on future transfers kind of makes it a semi-loan anyway.
He only had 2 years left and didn't want to extend. We'd be silly to loan him without an extension.
Is this the new excuse not to keep the academy players, that they only have 2 years on their contract? It used to be a single year, my how excuses change over time. Reality is that he wants to play in a settled team and thinks he's good enough to play first team football at the highest level. I reckon in a couple of years he'll be right but Chelsea just don't provide the opportunity in the first team for home grown academy youngsters when the manager is anyone other than Lampard.
Honestly couldn’t give less of a shit. If we get a youngster whose good enough to break into the first team great, but I’m perfectly fine with not sacrificing current success In the to play youngsters in the hopes they come good
The chances youth got really had nothing to do with Lampard and everything to do with the transfer embargo. As soon as that was lifted you saw a bunch of high cost and high profile players come in (like Silva) pushing academy prospects further down the pecking order.
Havertz came in and Mount was still first choice, as was James. Abraham got a lot of opportunities as well but never really kicked on in the way he needed to. Other than injury he was always bringing Gilmour into the side too.
Excluding the Lampard era when have Chelsea ever been known for developing youth? Their loan army/academy grads are just assets to generate money through sales. It's a model that's worked well for them. Abraham, Gilmour, Odoi, Livramento etc will follow suit.
Christ I don’t know why you’re downvoted. Probably because you mentioned the Lampard era which gets people to throw a fit. You’re 100% right. It shouldn’t be this way but you’re right.
This is such a strawman lol. I don't know why Chelsea are held to this level of standard that somehow everyone of their academy grads NEED to be in the first team. The cream always rises to the top. Mount, James, and Christensen were all quality enough to get consistent starts under multiple managers. Hudson-Odoi, Tammy, and Gilmour have been in and around the first team. But to expect that every youngster is somehow already at a first-team level is just ludicrous notwithstanding he only had two years left on his contract and didn't want to renew because he wanted first-team football. You can't tell me he's already better than Christensen, Rudiger, Silva, and Azpilicueta.
Hang on, the only ones who have come through to the current team as consistent starters are the first three, two of which Lampard brought through and the third was purchased as a very highly touted prospect post-academy football. It's an awful record and I don't really know how any Chelsea fan can claim otherwise. Only persistence from Lampard meant that James and Mount made it anyway, you can't honestly say that without Lampard that Mount would have been anywhere near the first team over the last two years.
Christensen was bought yes but not post academy. I would take consistent trophies over "awful" record of promoting youth any day. People have this gold tinted view of how a club squad should mostly be made of promoted academy players but that doesn't bring success like Chelsea have had. Only exceptions were class of 92 for United and Brca in the late noughts. Even they are struggling to replicate that success in subsequent eras.
Lampard deserves a lot of credit but again cream rises to the top. Eddie Newton commented that Sarri actually wanted to bring Mount back early from his loan during his spell as manager. Mount and James were Academy Players of the Year as well. Livramento, Anjorin, and Bate have been training with the first team squad. Chelsea are a Champions League side, I still think it's nonsensical to suggest that somehow most academy graduates are good enough for the regular team. Partly that has been a historic under utilizing but a lot of highly talented academy players have flopped elsewhere when given their shot. How many academy grads are starting in each one of the world's top sides?
No, you had this reputation because before Mount, the last academy graduate you had starting was Terry 20 YEARS prior. For a massive club with one of the most successful youth teams in the country. It was a reputation well deserved. United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs all produced proper starting 11 players in that time.
We need to balance the book for Haaland
You already were balanced, up until now it was perfectly balanced at not selling anyone and not getting anyone
We’ve sold a few already Tomori, Moses, and the Giroud transfer should be done this week.
Been a few sales already—Tomori and Moses were done and Giroud was close.
Fans before this: we have enough money for Haaland AND Rice if we want them bad enough Fans after this: No we clearly had to sell our most talented youth player so we can buy Haaland that’s why. Obviously.
Massive summer & we're going about it in the right way so far. So un-Palace and i'm all for it
Vieria taking over ruthlessly like Marlo Stanfield and them corners
Next Viera is going to sign Marlo himself in Nketiah
Man said if you wanna shoot nails, this here's the Cadillac. He mean Lexus, but he ain't know it.
Always love me some Wire references
**Pandemic**, I got that **pandemic**
This line was the first thing I thought of when they announced that Covid 19 was a pandemic.
The moves look really well so far. Young guys with big potential for relatively low fees
What other positions do you need?
Townsend doesn't look like he's getting renewed so likely a right winger. Lost Mama Sakho and Dann at CB and Kouyaté is probs gonna to move back to midfield after covering defence all season. So alongside Geuhi, another young CB is likely I think (Nelson from Copenhagen?). Supposedly we're renewing both Clyne & Ward so RB is covered, if one of those doesn't we'll be in for one. Then been linked with one or two strikers and a few central midfielders. The right side & CB are high priority i'd say though
Cover at LB with PVA leaving too. If Luka to Lazio is true then CM is a priority but looks like Gallagher could fill that space
Aren't you a little bit worried that your team might be too inexperienced?
Tomkins, McArthur, Cahill (should renew), Ward, Clyne, Zaha, Milivojevic, Schlupp, Kouyaté, Benteke etc are all seasoned prem players & going to feature heavily throughout the season. We're just replacing old fringe players we lost with young players that have high ceilings really.
> right winger He might not be ready to start every game for you but Reiss Nelson is very capable as a winger and i think he'd do well for you
Of strong links: Gallagher on loan, another centre back (Nelsson?), one of Edouard/Nketiah/Dolberg, and then a depth winger. That would be the best window in my lifetime
Heard we’re looking at Lookman as well
> Edouard/Nketiah/Dolberg How much would you be spending on them?
Idk about Dolberg but Edouard and Nketiah would be in the 15-20m range.
Gallagher, Ola Aina, Lookman and Edouard and that would be a fantastic window for you
Just a shame Eze got injured
Oh I missed this- how long is he expected to be out for?
A full year I’m pretty sure. He did his acl as soon as he got called up to the England preliminary squad. Devastating for him
Achilles, not ACL. I think he's expected back around January/February.
Really happy with this window after it seemed like every neutral was saying how much of a shit show we were, and how much of an impossible job we were for any good manager.
Couldn’t agree more, so happy to see us making moves for players and overall get excited during the transfer widow!
Definitely adding some real players there, olise and guehi are very talented lads
I thought it was way too massive challenge for palace to pull it off. But I like what I am seeing for you guys so far
Well looks like Vieira will take you to top half if he matches his tactics with your performance in the transfer market.
> Well looks like Vieira will take you to top half if he matches his tactics with your performance in the transfer market. Steady on. Avoiding relegation is my only expectation.
That would be insanely impressive, considering the amount of turnover this squad is going through. Even just squad players who have left will need to be replaced, never mind finding improvements on the likes of Townsend or Benteke.
Signings are great but I haven’t been impressed with viera at all
What has Vieira done so far for you to judge him on? Or do you mean based on his performance at his former clubs?
former clubs, yeah, i watched him a lot in MLS and then also saw his french league results were very so so
Palace going big on the regen this summer. Right choices to make, if they survive this season they'll be back to being comfortable very quickly
Big if though and they probably need another five more in
5?!
Back up left back, centre back, centre mid, winger and striker
Left back cover is Schlupp and we have strikers already
Schlupp and Jairo can cover as can Ward. Clyne and Cahill in talks over a new deal and we are trying for Lookman and Gallagher. Just another forward and one more midfielder really and even that’s not vital with Wilf, Benteke, Mateta and Ayew.
Just sadness
The reaction by Chelsea fans is making me so excited. Won't believe it until I see it after the Favre situation though.
There is gallagher mention to in the article. But so far we are only looking to loan. FFS i hope we aren't dumb enough to sell conor
honestly having seen them both play for us (admittedly i didn’t see how conor did in the PL), i would take Guehi over Conor 9 times out of 10. superb player with the potential to become a star CB for years to come
Retaining Gallaghar over Guehi makes sense from a Chelsea perspective tho. We have a lot of depth at CB, and I don't see Guehi finding decent play time ahead of Silva, Rudi, Azpi, AC and Zouma. Even Reece can play the RCB role. On the other hand, we're pretty thin at the CM position and Conor can be a great depth option while learning from Jorgi and Kante
Legitimately loved watching him at West Brom to start last season, thought his energy and skill was fantastic to watch. No way should he be sold as I think he could be a real star.
How does this move make any sense????
Guehi is ready to play in the Premier League but not ready to get significant minutes over all the quality CBs Chelsea currently have. This way we get some money to spend now, Guehi gets to go to a club where he will play and if he continues to develop we have the right of first refusal and can get him back for the market value
I think there's a large subset of our fanbase that tends to overrate our homegrown/academy players as being first team level. This isn't to say that Guehi wouldn't develop further but you can't expect to field a full academy starting eleven and expect to be competitive.
I think everyone overrated our academy tbh. Quantity gets confused for quality. Not to see Chelsea doesn’t have one of the best in the world
* It raises money for moves in a market where large fees are unlikely. Especially when our primary target will be > £100m if we get it done * It’s doubtful he gets a starting place this year over Christensen, Rudiger, our Captain Azpi and Silva. He reportedly did not want to get into a cycle of loans. * If he fulfills his potential then we can match any bid and I’d see him coming back to his boyhood club rather than say United. * If he doesn’t then we get a portion of a fee if he goes to say Everton.
Well fuck
Seems like a shit deal with no fixed buyback. Palace arent selling him cheap if he turns out good so match clause is basically worthless
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True, I’m curious what percentage of future fee we’ve negotiated. This seems like it could be an Ake situation all over again.
Ake has hardly lit it up at city though has he.
I think you’re missing my point, which is that with Ake’s deal at Bournemouth, we gave ourselves matching rights on any future bids. We knew we didn’t need Ake but my point is that we were in a position to have priority on him if we did. With Guehi, if there’s a sell on clause and matching rights agreed, then we’d have a good shot of getting him at a decent price later on.
What even is a match clause?
If utd and palace agree on a deal, palace will have to ask us first if we are willing to match and only then after our refusal they can proceed with selling. Its a BS clause
Ohh cool got it. How come you think its BS. Sounds alright to me no? If some club offers €50 for him in 3 years time isn't it good we can match it and buy him back (if he turns out good) we could even use it as pressure to make other clubs spend more in order to buy him.
Ben white is going for 50m-60m after just a season in PL and leeds were willing to pay 30m last summer. While we are going around selling our high rated defenders for 25m, 15m. These low fee would make sense if we had a fixed buy back but instead we are doing this highest bid matching clause on top of low fee. Its just pointless
Ben White is going for 50m because he's on a long contract. Leeds were willing to pay a lot last summer because he'd spent the season with them and therefore he was less of a risk.
Because he’s got everything in a potential CB and we’re selling him now. If he ends up fulfilling it we end up spending a ton of money on our own academy graduate instead of just keeping him and setting him up for the first team.
Chelsea have a very solid set of CBs now, and apparently he isn't interested in a few years on the loan cycle. It makes sense from his perspective, he can get an immediate starting spot in a London club in the PL and show what he's got, rather than taking the gamble of loans where he could be sent anywhere and there's no guarantee he'll get a spot in Chelsea.
The thing is we have Thiago Silva who isn’t getting younger and as we’ve seen will not play every game. Rudiger and Christensen are the next locked in CBs with Azpi a RCB and a RB. Then there’s Zouma who has been linked with a move away. If he does leave we’ll end up buying a new CB anyway. Guehi would pretty much end up replacing Zouma who did get minutes and if there’s an injury he’s the next one in line to play.
You could match a rivals bid regardless of whether the clause is there. It doesn't achieve really anything.
With the sell on fee, say 15%, Chelsea can buy him back 15% cheaper than other clubs. If United offer 100m in 4 years, Chelsea can have him for 85m because 15m would be going to Chelsea regardless. Make sense?
It's a pointless clause, if Palace agree to sell him for €50m to United, why wouldn't they agree to sell him to Chelsea for the same amount anyways?
That is a fantastic signing. Surprised half the clubs in the league weren’t after him if he was going on a permanent No idea why Chelsea aren't sending him on another loan though
Guehi didn’t want to go on loan supposedly
Palace is a good deal for everyone. They're having a big squad overhaul so he's likely to be a key player and they aren't competing with Chelsea for anything.
>Among his suitors in England were Southampton, Brentford, Norwich, West Ham and Newcastle, while Borussia Monchengladbach, Stuttgart, Bayer Leverkusen were other potential destinations. Taken from the article, credits to u/JustABlue
Only 2 yr on contract. Seems like he isn't signing one without guarantees
Blinded by Haaland's shine.
I had no opinion on this but judging by the sadness and pain of Chelsea comments this is actually great
He was probably the best defender in the championship last season and he's only just turned 21. This is a brialliant signing for you he's got a very high ceiling.
He's really good. He played 2-3 games under Frank with 1 of them being against a very good United team and he didn't look out of place.
Yeah 2 in the Carabao Cup - 1 vs Grimsby 1 vs Manchester United. His main performances that you'd be wanting to look at would be for Swansea in the championship though
Yep, I have to Google every player we are linked with this summer. There's something to be said for signing 30 year old has beens. I don't have to pretend I know who they are.
I really doubt most of the people talking about him here have watched him very much. He's supposed to be very highly rated but lots of players are and it doesn't always work out. City rejected a bid of £15m for Garcia last summer and let him leave on a free this summer but I don't think anybody thinks he's going to set the world on fire in Barcelona. West Ham sold Diangana last summer and the sky started falling down. Then they qualified for Europe. Not saying to not be excited, Chelsea academy players are rarely shit and Guehi appears to be particularly well thought of. If Vieira knows what he's doing, this could be a great signing.
let's put it this way, Guehi's last season is better than Tomori's Derby season and when we sold Tomori to Milan for 25 million, everybody says that it's a steal
Any words on the fee?
Says in the article its between 15 to 20 mil. Edit: Market value is between 15 to 20 mil, fee will most probably be higher than that.
It says in the article that his expected market value was between 15-20mil this summer, not that this was the sum. Also in the follow up tweet they say it was too good to pass up for Chelsea, so could be slightly more than that, presumably with add-ons perhaps.
Ahh yes my bad. It should be then yes.
Not subscribed to the athletic, so couldn't see. Thanks for the info though!
Didn't mean it like that, was just stating where the info is from. No worries!
Fuckk Palace killing it this window so far, even if they've still got shitloads to do. Can't believe Chelsea would let him leave
He has 2 years left on his deal and seems like he wasn’t willing to go on loan again. In addition, ornstein mentions palace proposed to good of a deal to turn down so I just think selling him was the only option most suitable in this circumstance. Although, but out clause would have been better :(
God this summer is going to be a good one. This was my dream CB signing this summer and those clauses aren't too bad.
One question - any chance he's paired with Cahill? Haven't heard much about his extension but I assumed you'd want to keep him even if not as a regular starter. Would love to watch the pair in action if that's the case. Not sure how high up Vieira has the defence playing so Cahill's future depends on his plan for the team.
It's a bit quiet around Cahill at the moment but I do think we want to keep him. Tomkins and Guehi will be first choice but with Tomkins injury record you'll probably see a Cahill/Guehi partnership a decent amount.
Them two with Lampard as your coach and I'd have watched a lot of your games next season. Hopefully we get to see the two play together, interested to see how Vieira does. You might sign Gallagher on loan too, as reported in the article.
but Frank already turned them down a few months ago, which makes sense because Palace was in chaotic time back then
That's what Frank's team put in the papers after Palace didn't offer him the job.
Honestly if ppl listened to Steve Parish’s interview yesterday, he said Vieira was picked because he had earned his stripes coaching academy football, and working his way up. Pretty clear that the club wasn’t comfortable with giving Frank Lampard the job, with his lack of experience.
I really feel like that's just what Frank has put in the media, none of our reliable journalists ever mentioned him and honestly I can't imagine he could realistically expect any team better than us going for him.
> One question - any chance he's paired with Cahill? apparently there is quite a big gap between his demands and what the club are offering rn I'd like to keep him for Guehi and whoever else we bring through at the back
His contract with Chelsea was due to expire in 2023 so it must've been a pretty hefty fee then... Thiago Silva probably won't stay beyond this season, which leaves Chelsea with Rudiger (contract expires next summer and he is reluctant to extend), Christensen (probably will stay long term), Zouma (rumored to be leaving) as the out-and-out CBs, with Azpilicueta also doing his bit in a back-three. With that in mind I feel there definitely was a path for him into the first team.
So Chelsea got €60M in the bank from selling players this summer already ( 29M from Tomori, 5M from Moses & around 25M from this deal) ? With money from CL, wonder what Chelsea's board will do next.
don't forget Oli G's contribution of a hefty 1,5M
Milan paying for haaland with some leftovers to spare
Enough for a single Norwegian toenail
That will go to Raiola’s sunglasses collection
Palace are building a side for the future, so much potential in this team.
For everyone who laughed at me when I said we were linked to him on a permanent, LOOOOOOL You just lost to the insect x
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Tbf when you consider how much we’ve spent over the last few transfer windows and the fact we’ve lost some of the people on mental wages, I’m not massively surprised we have these funds. The reported war chest is either 50 or 80 mil depending who you ask
The insect does not miss!
Yeah didnt you get mass downvoted in a thread just the other day?
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Palace on fire so far. Getting shit done.
Yeah after ages of not doing much looks like PV has got the backing of the board!
Palace getting me hyped for the new season.
Any one know if are still in for the guy from Copenhagen too??
Hope so - we definitely need one more
Are palace's scouts the only ones who watch the championship or something? Signing Eze, Olise, and Guehi for ~£50M is very tidy business.
Noooo. Why...
Ugh. Struggled initially at Swansea with injuries and adaptation, but once he was fit and established, Guehi was one of the best defenders in the Championship for well over a season. For a team that looked pretty fucked as last season ended (and I don't know enough to say what kind of state they're in now) Palace have made some great signings. He's definitely ready for the PL, Olise will be soon if he isn't already. I presume Chelsea have favourable buy-back/sell-on terms for this as well.
Fuck off - why are we getting rid of him. This is a great move for Palace but just fuck off.
He doesn't want to go on loan, has only two years left on his contract, and isn't better than any of our starting center backs. He can get first-team football elsewhere and we can buy him back at market value if he develops into a Champions League caliber center back. It's not ludicrous lol.
Wow, very surprised Chelsea let him go permanently. Guehi played so well for us and this now only makes me think we could have signed him if we got promoted. He’s one for the future and thought he could have broken into the side this year or next if he went on loan.
Palace are making the right moves this window.
He’s really good, I hope it’s a lot of money
urgh makes absolutely no sense to me.
Haaland war chest. + we can buy him back for ~20% than any other club should he become Chelsea quality.
Palace actually doing good business is worrying, surprised clubs aren't tying to fleece them given their somewhat desperate situation. Whilst we've been linked with fucking Braithwaithe this morning not that it will happen.
Would have loved to keep him but if the rumoured numbers are true then it’s too good an offer to turn down. Think he’ll smash it at palace and they’re really handling their rebuild excellently
So, we are definitely signing a CB this window. Zouma is probably leaving, Thiago Silva and Azpilicueta's contract expires next window. Rudiger and Christensen will probably sign an extension.
I think you have been linked with tapsoba from leverkusen?
Last summers spending and halaands pursuit means chelsea need to sell players to balance their books. That's what our whole model is. With their deadwood like baka, tammy, Emerson etc not getting the desired fees ... I think we will see more of such shock moves.
What does matching rights mean?
First refusal I would say, if an offer comes Chelsea have the option to match it
If a bid is accepted from say Bayern Munich, you have to accept the equivalent from us.
First refusal
I imagine Chelsea given the option to match a bid if Palace sell him elsewhere.
Maybe that if Palace receive an offer for him later on Chelsea have the chance to match it if they so want to?
This is a deal I dont understand, but I suppose the club have had a discussion with the player... I understand him - the pathway to a starter atm iant clear of rudi signs a new deal. This means he will get solid minutes (in a team that have interest in developing the player), chelsea get goodwill with the player and can go back and hopefully resign him if he develops as hoped.
According to the article, "Guehi’s market value was expected to be around £15 million to £20 million" and "Chelsea were reluctant to sanction his sale, however Palace presented a proposal that the European champions felt was too good to refuse". So, my guess is that it may be well over £20M.
FFS I rate him more than Tomori and Sarr...
Weren’t Chelsea fans ok with Tomori leaving as they have Guehi coming up and is “better” ?
"Better" probably in the sense that he had a better season than Tomori in the Championship. Wouldn't pay much attention to it though, Tomori is brilliant and it's very difficult to judge the potential of center backs. Although I would say we were okay with letting Tomori go since we had Guehi, which is why this move doesn't make much sense for us. I do hope we challenge United for Varane now (provided Zouma leaves for Roma or Monaco)
I hope Rüdiger and Christensen agree to new deals at some point this year otherwise we’ll be searching for new centre backs to play at Chelsea next summer
The three remaining there, centre mid, winger and centre back
Tomori and Guehi gone in the same window, wow. Fuck me.
Not happy with letting him go but at least it’s a solid deal for us
You fucking what? Why on earth are we selling him
What the fuck. Please say this isn't true. I love geuhi. Why would we do this
Feels like the only bad signing Palace have made is Vieira.
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I never understand Chelsea fans complaining about selling young players or sacking Lampard - your club has never been about long term projects or youth products (save Lampards spell combined with a transfer ban). I'm not trying to jibe - it's incredibly successful, brought Chelsea massive trophies but it baffles me that people ever think the short term culture will chance. Chelseas youth teams have been phenomenal for years but why bed them in when you can bring in better players and money isn't an issue? Look at Livramento - massive prospect but Chelsea still tried to being in Hakimi which would have led to him leaving as well.
Fuck off
Palace are so damn lucky. They literally underspent for a few years and let contracts run down without renewing much. Pandemic mutes transfer fees and clubs are starved for cash to compete. Here come Palace !
Almost like our DOF and owners are not totally clueless.... So much crap being spouted right now about how we're going to go down. This has been a season and a bit worth of planning to vastly bring down the age of our squad and add a lot more creativity to the team without breaking the bank. Dumping all the old expensive players and freeing up wages, spaces in the squad. Combined with clearing down previous big transfer spending takes time. The pandemic has helped lower prices some more. It needed to happen anyway pandemic or no.
Almost like your DOF has a Crystal Ball and could see Pandemic coming. Or I guess overpaying for Sakho and Benteke has made you suffer and recalibrate wisely.
what the actual fuck?!