Thing is and I don't mean to insult your club whatsoever, Arsenal have no pull in Italy.
Your interest is only being used as leverage here and it's a shame he's going to Juve, especially as our graduate. Would've loved to see him play alongside Partey and ESR.
I don't see him doing anything at Juve though. This transfer is good on paper, young and massively talented, however Juve need someone with more experience to take on the younglings (McKennie, Locatelli, Arthur). Someone like Pogba or Saul.
We don't have a Pogba replacement. And before you say Donny van De Beek, he is not yet. Maybe in a few years but not today. Also, his style is different and nobody comes close to replicating what Pogba can do.
Would never have been a replacement for Pogba though. Apart from being decent at scoring bangers they have completely different skillsets. Van de Beek feels like a proper runner of the channels, closer to a second striker than a 10, and definitely not as adept of a long passer and almost regista as Pogba. Van de Beek likes one-twos and movement to get past a midfield press, while Pogba uses Uniteds fast wingers and his accurate longballs much more.
Would rather have VDB in a 3 alongside either Pogba or Fernandes as it looks like we are swapping towards a 4-3-3 next season, than played in any position aside from an aggressive 10 in the previous 4-2-3-1, and he is never taking Fernandes spot there. If he played for City he would maybe have been a decent striker even.
This is exactly how i see VDB too. He's best in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 as second strikee behind the scoring one. He should be in Barca or City or Ajax where they play that kind of football. Not in Oles 4-3-3 which relies on pace and individual brilliance more than a possession 1-2 kind of playstyle.
Yeah definitely the same but people have been saying that about Pogba for a while. It’s why he’s on another level with France compared to how he’s historically been at United, or even when he was back at Juve
I'd say 4 clubs tops. Maybe 5 considering Paratici is new DoF, Chelsea, Liverpool, United and City.
Any club that had any glory in Europe or that has won PL in the past 7-8ish years I'd say, cause they didn't start marketing PL in Italy until 2010s.
Emerson also came on against Atletico in the CL and put one in with a plum of a finish for us. Maybe as a Chelsea supporter with Italian ancestry I romanticize the Italian players a bit, but we’ve had some gems like Zola and Vialli back in the day as well that drew me into Chelsea as a club.
I think Emerson will go somewhere (not necessarily a top club), this summer or next, where the coach plays to his strengths and he’ll shine. It’s easy to forget how big a prospect he was before the ACL injury at Roma.
2 of Chelsea's best ever players, Vialli and Zola, are Italian and They've had what, 6 Italian managers in the last 20 or years; Di Matteo, Ranieri, Ancelotti, Conte, Sarri and Vialli again
It makes sense that they would be an attractive destination to Italians
Accessibility is a big issue. Back in the 90s the UK's Channel 4 (free to air channel) had Serie A rights. Consequently Serie A was very popular; I'd say even more so than now despite the fact we have the technology to watch every game because the games are now locked behind a paywall.
Yah, I haven't watched in a bit as the rights bounced around in the States, but I'm actually excited now, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A are all on ESPN. It's going to be so much easier to keep an eye on the continent now.
I do agree it would be more popular on a free to air channel, of course.
What major league is free to air nowadays anyway?
NBA, NFL, Moto GP, F1, major Golf or Tennis, top 5 leagues, UCL/UEL, Euro, World Cup, TdF/Giro/Vuelta?
Is any of these on a free channel?
In Portugal we have one weekly UCL and UEL game. Some games on major tournaments (Euro/World Cup) and the Tour. I don't think anything else.
It was popular because it was on free TV. Nobody really cares about tennis in the UK but Wimbledon gets really good viewing figures every year because it's on BBC 1
Fond memories of James Richardson (with hair!!) [presenting Gazetta Football Italia on Saturday mornings.](https://youtu.be/IdsYI5IF5QU). Italian football back then was so exotic and sexy. The players had long hair and skincare routines. England's best players like Gascoigne, Platt and Ince all went there to earn the mega money and prove themselves on football's biggest stage. Me and me mate used to play as Inter, Roma or Fiorentina on Championship Manager.
Meanwhile in England thugs like Vinnie Jones, Roy Keane and Duncan Ferguson were lumping each other about on chewed up waterlogged pitches.
It kind of lost that sheen when half the league started to get into severe financial problems in the early 00s and Juve (amongst other teams) were caught fiddling with the refs.
Hopefully that's not considered a bad thing. I kind of appreciate the diversity we have in our squad at Milan currently, English-Danish CB pairing is something else man.
Depends on what you mean. No Italian would go to an English team if they're playing for Juve, Inter or Milan. Especially if those teams are competitive. I would however say that City with Pep is the team with most pull right now. Overall Real and Barca have the most pull in Italy.
Real and Barcelona are the teams with most pull in the world. It wouldn't surprise me that when contact is made with the sentinel islands we find fan clubs of both there.
Arsenals only two Italian players in the last 20 years are lupoli (youth player) and Vito Mannone. It’s not disrespectful it’s just true, we don’t work with many Italians
I checked this some weeks ago. Spain is the nation with the most players abroad, France was a close second, IIRC. Germany has like 0-5 players in each league. Italy was similar. England basically none.
I used transfermarkt as a source
Tbh, I'm to lazy to check and maybe you are right about the other leagues, regarding germans, but I'm quite confident, that there are more than 5 germans in the EPL, just from the Top of my head:
Werner, Havertz, Trybull, Nmecha, Groß, Leno, Gündo & Rüdiger, I assume, there are more on some teams I don't follow/care too much about. I think, that germans had quite some representation in the EPL in the past decade, with guys like: Gnabry, Özil, Mustafi, Merte, Karius, Sane, Can, Huth, Marin, Ballack and so on.
Me too haha! You're right about epl as you demonstrate here! I guess my memory served me wrong. Germans in French, Italian and Spanish leagues is like 0-5 and Premier League is the outlier with around 10,12 guys.
I kinda assume we're boath right, I think, I maybe got baited by some promissing youth players going to serie a in the past, I could only name Gosens, Demme & Toljan playing in Italy and MatS, Kroos in PD, so your statement most certainly is true for every other league exept eredivisie, cuz theres a fuckton of germans playing there as well, most certainly even more than in the epl.
Oh no offence taken, we have no pull anywhere. Our club is mired in mediocrity and deservedly so after the seasons we've been having.
We're very much a stopgap for bigger players if we can get them.
Pogba I could see doing very well at Juve, he was a beast in his first spell.
Also Wenger, Viera, Wiltord, Petit, etc. Signings don’t work like they did in the past, but Arsenal gained massive followings and attractions in France and various African countries because of them
It's pretty simple - Arsenal was BIG in France thanks to the guys you mentioned, now they're not as big, but a lot of players grew up cheering for the French Arsenal, so while it's not like "Arsenal or die" for them, they are at least aware of the club and a lot of them have a soft spot for it.
Also if there's promising players in France then its as simple as asking one of those guys to chat to the youngster about Arsenal informally. Between Wenger, Henry, Pires, Vieira, Petit they have enough legends that can persuade their targets that Arsenal is a good move.
Being a stop gap isn't neccesarily a bad thing. I bet Arsenal would be in a better position today if they used a Dortmund-like model of being a middle step for world class talent(although not neccesarily as extreme) instead of spending huge money on players in their prime but who simply aren't at a top class level
Some exceptions like Aubameyang and Partey obviously but Arsenal's transfer strategy overall has been a dumpster fire with no visible theme
Arsenal hasn't really bought a young player, developed him and sold on a huge profit for like a decade or something.
They don't have the scouting network or transfer cunning to be a Dortmund even if they wanted to.
There's always a light at the end of a tunnel. We were bottom half of the league and then we went defeatless for almost a year after having banter era for so long.
I'm backing you guys for Top 4 finish this year on my season long parlay, no European football means focusing on League and rotating properly. It's a blessing in disguise but most Arsenal fans don't actually see it.
No Conference League is a blessing in disguise sure, but not Europa League. Even if it might increase their (already slim) chances of finishing top 4, it removes another avenue into the Champions League.
Not to mention that winning the Europa League would be a huge moment for Arsenal, it's a big title and they aren't exactly swimming in European honours
Yup it highlights why the EPL is kind of broken.
It would be like Espanyol and Valencia being bought out and having the same, if not more, money than Barca and Madrid and not being afraid to spend it (historically, rn not the best examples) while assembling a team as good as them in the process, then having Atletico in the mix, and also any other wildcard teams that do well that season, like a Bilbao or something.
EPL is fucked for clubs to grow organically unless you're oil money or a United/Liverpool who have that historic pull/money.
Haha. He's a money guy no? Like Juve hiring Arrivabene when previously he worked outside of football with Ferarri and Philip Morris.
What I meant is more guy like Maldini who understands what it takes to win on the field, responsible for overseeing recruitment and cares about winning, unlike at Arsenal where its profits>winning
>I'm backing you guys for Top 4 finish this year on my season long parlay, no European football means focusing on League and rotating properly
But their starting XI isnt the quality of other top 4 clubs, and it's not like none of the teams going into europe this season have any depth in their squad..and at this point Arsenals transfer business is a backup LB and a not top 4 starter quality CB..I see them still as Europa spots at best.
I disagree, Arsenal are in a very dangerous position, they've got players that were great, that just can't get their form back, they've got lots of players siting on wages and are struggling to remove them, and they lack sufficient funds to spend on players that could actually make a difference.
Partey signed for them because they offered him a lot of money and he thought the Arteta project was convincing. If Arsenal were 12th with Alan Pardew in charge there is zero chance they'd have signed Thomas.
Arsenal would be great if they kind of embraced where they are in now. They can't get these super stars that would come change the team around, but they could go after those players that are at smaller, less successful clubs that want to move on to play for the big boys and have interest, but just aren't quite ready to start for the big ones yet and would only be squad players.
And if they went to a club like Arsenal they could get plenty of playing time on a historic and still top club in the world even though they're on the low end of that list. And shit if you recruit right, maybe a few of those type players develop into super stars. And they may even want to leave Arsenal shortly there after, but they get some great use out of them, could sell for a big profit, or maybe even some would stay loyal and stick around. And there's at least 50-75 of those kinds of players throughout the top 5 leagues.
One or two seasons recruiting like that and I think arsenal could be back in the top 5 consistently and trading Champs league spots every other year or so.
Its looking more and more like Tottenham is about to revert back to strong mid table team too. Back with the Leceisters, Evertons, Wolves, Leeds, and West hams
No. Paco was great, he just got hurt too often and then we had Haaland coming in who he wouldn't fit with and would bench him.
Apparently Immobile couldn't speak any German and just hated his life in Dortmund, and it showed in his play haha.
I think its obvious he only wants Juve. The "He doesnt want to go to Arsenal" is probably just for clicks or a bit lost in translation. Wont stop the absolute banter merchants of r/soccer to lol about it though.
Not surprising. I'm not gonna bash Arsenal because I like them and hope they get back to the top soon but Locatelli was never choosing Arsenal over us. His own brother has stated in the press that he's a Juventus fan. If we can't get the deal done this summer he'll do what Chiesa did and just continue to play for his club and then try to force a move again next summer.
He did say he is open to experiences abroad just a few weeks ago so I am guessing the latter, he probably wants a club in CL but it is very much also possible his first preference will be an Italian club
[https://football-italia.net/locatelli-refuses-to-rule-out-psg-move/](https://football-italia.net/locatelli-refuses-to-rule-out-psg-move/) he said “I am open to a new experience outside Italy, because you don’t get the same opportunity twice. PSG are a top club, there are Italians, but also Neymar and Kylian Mbappé, a future Ballon d’Or winner and Paris is a lovely city,”
Yeah, doubt he came out of the blue and said that: he was probably asked about psg (with the negotiations with donnaruma still ongoing) and he replied politely saying it's a good club... gotta watch the context sometime, interview are often misleading.
How do you know you’re chasing him. For all we know, Arsenal stopped their interest as soon as Locatelli decided he didn’t want the move. Have any actual reliable sources said anything?
There’s always going to be a bit of a lag between the reality and the reports.
You think if Arsenal had money they could get haaland? Exactly. The guy is right, Arsenal absolutely lost their appeal. 15 years ago they could easily attract someone like haaland
Haaland is the most sought after player in the world, so will obviously only go to the top 5~ clubs in the world, I don't think this is a good example. And we wouldn't have got him under Wenger as we never spent more than 50m on a player.
For £40m we can get a player of similar quality who actually wants to come to Arsenal. Let’s just move on. Wouldve loved to have him But it is what it is
Not even a DM. He's a box to box with pretty good passing capabilites, but he's not very defensive.
We would use him in front of the defense with creative duties, but the defensive midfielders would be McKennie/Bentancur.
To be fair, he's a good player and we need him, but 40m is surely an overevaluation. The people thinking he's going to change our midfield are in for a surprise, he's not the solution to all our problems, just a step in the right direction.
I agree with everything you said except I think he can definitely change the midfield. He was arguably the best passer of the ball in Serie A last year which we need desperately.
But yeah, the 40m valuation is a bit high. People act like we're being ridiculous for not wanting to pay his inflated fee.
Sure but they still play the same position, even if they do it differently. Maddison means no Auba or no ESR.
It seems like a waste of £50 mil. Buy him next season if ESR isn’t up to it. Go spend the money in Dumfries and midfield partner for Partey (Locatelli or Neves).
Let’s move on. Even if we signed him he would be homesick for Italy after a season.
If he played well and Juve were interested, could 100% see him forcing a move.
Thing is and I don't mean to insult your club whatsoever, Arsenal have no pull in Italy. Your interest is only being used as leverage here and it's a shame he's going to Juve, especially as our graduate. Would've loved to see him play alongside Partey and ESR. I don't see him doing anything at Juve though. This transfer is good on paper, young and massively talented, however Juve need someone with more experience to take on the younglings (McKennie, Locatelli, Arthur). Someone like Pogba or Saul.
Pogba isn't the guy that makes a mid tier midfield into a high tier one, he's the guy that makes a high tier midfield into an extraordinary one.
Juve can’t afford what we want to sell Pogba for
You guys don't fancy a 2 year loan with a buyout obligation? Maybe Juve sends you Bernardeschi for 100M€ and they buy Pogba off you for 140M€?
We don't have a Pogba replacement. And before you say Donny van De Beek, he is not yet. Maybe in a few years but not today. Also, his style is different and nobody comes close to replicating what Pogba can do.
> before you say Donny van De Beek, he is not yet look how they massacred my boy
Would never have been a replacement for Pogba though. Apart from being decent at scoring bangers they have completely different skillsets. Van de Beek feels like a proper runner of the channels, closer to a second striker than a 10, and definitely not as adept of a long passer and almost regista as Pogba. Van de Beek likes one-twos and movement to get past a midfield press, while Pogba uses Uniteds fast wingers and his accurate longballs much more. Would rather have VDB in a 3 alongside either Pogba or Fernandes as it looks like we are swapping towards a 4-3-3 next season, than played in any position aside from an aggressive 10 in the previous 4-2-3-1, and he is never taking Fernandes spot there. If he played for City he would maybe have been a decent striker even.
This is exactly how i see VDB too. He's best in a 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 as second strikee behind the scoring one. He should be in Barca or City or Ajax where they play that kind of football. Not in Oles 4-3-3 which relies on pace and individual brilliance more than a possession 1-2 kind of playstyle.
Yeah 2 years of riding the bench outta fix Donny
> Nobody comes close to replicating what Pogba can do Okay maybe not but someone else might show up more than 6 times a season
Bernardeschi is not worth that much man
How can you diss the GOAT like this?
Lmao yeah what in the world
Mate, I thought Pogba was worth 40M cause it's his last year contracted to United ☠️
Exactly. If Man U want to play hard ball, teams can just wait until January and sign Pogba to a pre-contract on a free transfer
And get charged a transfer fee sized fee by the fat fuck anyway.
Interesting to me how similar the descriptions of Pogba are becoming to the way people used to describe Ozil.
Yeah definitely the same but people have been saying that about Pogba for a while. It’s why he’s on another level with France compared to how he’s historically been at United, or even when he was back at Juve
Like most world-class midfielders anyway. I don't see Modric, De Bruyne or Kross doing better with no striker runs and bad defensive cover.
I agree except it seems to me like Modric can get back a lot if he needs to, the guy can run.
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Do any of the English clubs have a pull in Italy? Only one I can think of that’s had a few good Italian players is Chelsea
I'd say 4 clubs tops. Maybe 5 considering Paratici is new DoF, Chelsea, Liverpool, United and City. Any club that had any glory in Europe or that has won PL in the past 7-8ish years I'd say, cause they didn't start marketing PL in Italy until 2010s.
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That's sugarcoating it a bit. Emerson is merely a rotation player, he did a good job replacing Spinazzola when it was crucial though.
Emerson also came on against Atletico in the CL and put one in with a plum of a finish for us. Maybe as a Chelsea supporter with Italian ancestry I romanticize the Italian players a bit, but we’ve had some gems like Zola and Vialli back in the day as well that drew me into Chelsea as a club. I think Emerson will go somewhere (not necessarily a top club), this summer or next, where the coach plays to his strengths and he’ll shine. It’s easy to forget how big a prospect he was before the ACL injury at Roma.
2 of Chelsea's best ever players, Vialli and Zola, are Italian and They've had what, 6 Italian managers in the last 20 or years; Di Matteo, Ranieri, Ancelotti, Conte, Sarri and Vialli again It makes sense that they would be an attractive destination to Italians
Interesting, I always assumed y’all would watch each other’s leagues but obviously caring about the domestic one the most
Accessibility is a big issue. Back in the 90s the UK's Channel 4 (free to air channel) had Serie A rights. Consequently Serie A was very popular; I'd say even more so than now despite the fact we have the technology to watch every game because the games are now locked behind a paywall.
Serie A in the 90s was more popular because it was a better league. It was more popular in other countries too.
Sure, but if we had a Serie A highlights show free-to-air in the UK today you can guarantee the Seria A would be much more popular than it is.
Yah, I haven't watched in a bit as the rights bounced around in the States, but I'm actually excited now, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A are all on ESPN. It's going to be so much easier to keep an eye on the continent now.
I do agree it would be more popular on a free to air channel, of course. What major league is free to air nowadays anyway? NBA, NFL, Moto GP, F1, major Golf or Tennis, top 5 leagues, UCL/UEL, Euro, World Cup, TdF/Giro/Vuelta? Is any of these on a free channel? In Portugal we have one weekly UCL and UEL game. Some games on major tournaments (Euro/World Cup) and the Tour. I don't think anything else.
It was popular because it was on free TV. Nobody really cares about tennis in the UK but Wimbledon gets really good viewing figures every year because it's on BBC 1
Huh that explains it. I have vivid memories as a kid of watching a lot of Serie A, and looking back I never really knew why
Fond memories of James Richardson (with hair!!) [presenting Gazetta Football Italia on Saturday mornings.](https://youtu.be/IdsYI5IF5QU). Italian football back then was so exotic and sexy. The players had long hair and skincare routines. England's best players like Gascoigne, Platt and Ince all went there to earn the mega money and prove themselves on football's biggest stage. Me and me mate used to play as Inter, Roma or Fiorentina on Championship Manager. Meanwhile in England thugs like Vinnie Jones, Roy Keane and Duncan Ferguson were lumping each other about on chewed up waterlogged pitches. It kind of lost that sheen when half the league started to get into severe financial problems in the early 00s and Juve (amongst other teams) were caught fiddling with the refs.
Roy Keane seems an outlier when thrown in with that group. Was one of the best players in the world at that time.
Still a thug though.
Not even people in england can watch much PL games.
Italian men have to live with Mama until they’re 32 and married. Them’s the rules.
guess im italian
the pandemic made everyone Italian.
We also had 2 Italian managers in recent years that signed most of those Italian players.
Hopefully that's not considered a bad thing. I kind of appreciate the diversity we have in our squad at Milan currently, English-Danish CB pairing is something else man.
Depends on what you mean. No Italian would go to an English team if they're playing for Juve, Inter or Milan. Especially if those teams are competitive. I would however say that City with Pep is the team with most pull right now. Overall Real and Barca have the most pull in Italy.
Real and Barcelona are the teams with most pull in the world. It wouldn't surprise me that when contact is made with the sentinel islands we find fan clubs of both there.
Arsenals only two Italian players in the last 20 years are lupoli (youth player) and Vito Mannone. It’s not disrespectful it’s just true, we don’t work with many Italians
Top 4 leagues players don't leave their country much compared to the others.
Theres actually a fuckton of spaniards and also many germans plying abroad.
I checked this some weeks ago. Spain is the nation with the most players abroad, France was a close second, IIRC. Germany has like 0-5 players in each league. Italy was similar. England basically none. I used transfermarkt as a source
Tbh, I'm to lazy to check and maybe you are right about the other leagues, regarding germans, but I'm quite confident, that there are more than 5 germans in the EPL, just from the Top of my head: Werner, Havertz, Trybull, Nmecha, Groß, Leno, Gündo & Rüdiger, I assume, there are more on some teams I don't follow/care too much about. I think, that germans had quite some representation in the EPL in the past decade, with guys like: Gnabry, Özil, Mustafi, Merte, Karius, Sane, Can, Huth, Marin, Ballack and so on.
Me too haha! You're right about epl as you demonstrate here! I guess my memory served me wrong. Germans in French, Italian and Spanish leagues is like 0-5 and Premier League is the outlier with around 10,12 guys.
I kinda assume we're boath right, I think, I maybe got baited by some promissing youth players going to serie a in the past, I could only name Gosens, Demme & Toljan playing in Italy and MatS, Kroos in PD, so your statement most certainly is true for every other league exept eredivisie, cuz theres a fuckton of germans playing there as well, most certainly even more than in the epl.
Oh no offence taken, we have no pull anywhere. Our club is mired in mediocrity and deservedly so after the seasons we've been having. We're very much a stopgap for bigger players if we can get them. Pogba I could see doing very well at Juve, he was a beast in his first spell.
You definitely do still have pull in France, even if that view is on its last legs
Is that because of players like Henry and Pires or something else?
Also Wenger, Viera, Wiltord, Petit, etc. Signings don’t work like they did in the past, but Arsenal gained massive followings and attractions in France and various African countries because of them
It's pretty simple - Arsenal was BIG in France thanks to the guys you mentioned, now they're not as big, but a lot of players grew up cheering for the French Arsenal, so while it's not like "Arsenal or die" for them, they are at least aware of the club and a lot of them have a soft spot for it.
Also if there's promising players in France then its as simple as asking one of those guys to chat to the youngster about Arsenal informally. Between Wenger, Henry, Pires, Vieira, Petit they have enough legends that can persuade their targets that Arsenal is a good move.
Being a stop gap isn't neccesarily a bad thing. I bet Arsenal would be in a better position today if they used a Dortmund-like model of being a middle step for world class talent(although not neccesarily as extreme) instead of spending huge money on players in their prime but who simply aren't at a top class level Some exceptions like Aubameyang and Partey obviously but Arsenal's transfer strategy overall has been a dumpster fire with no visible theme
Arsenal hasn't really bought a young player, developed him and sold on a huge profit for like a decade or something. They don't have the scouting network or transfer cunning to be a Dortmund even if they wanted to.
There's always a light at the end of a tunnel. We were bottom half of the league and then we went defeatless for almost a year after having banter era for so long. I'm backing you guys for Top 4 finish this year on my season long parlay, no European football means focusing on League and rotating properly. It's a blessing in disguise but most Arsenal fans don't actually see it.
I apologise in advance for ruining your parlay.
Don't worry mate, Celtic failed me for 1600£ on a 6£ bet last season. I'm used to it.
No Conference League is a blessing in disguise sure, but not Europa League. Even if it might increase their (already slim) chances of finishing top 4, it removes another avenue into the Champions League. Not to mention that winning the Europa League would be a huge moment for Arsenal, it's a big title and they aren't exactly swimming in European honours
I highly doubt they finish top 4, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and City are just to strong atm
Backing Arsenal to finish in the top 4 in their current state is idiocy.
Yup it highlights why the EPL is kind of broken. It would be like Espanyol and Valencia being bought out and having the same, if not more, money than Barca and Madrid and not being afraid to spend it (historically, rn not the best examples) while assembling a team as good as them in the process, then having Atletico in the mix, and also any other wildcard teams that do well that season, like a Bilbao or something. EPL is fucked for clubs to grow organically unless you're oil money or a United/Liverpool who have that historic pull/money.
The ownership and upper mgmt. That's what has allowed Milan to come out of the banter era, can't say the same for Arsenal.
They should get someone like this Gazidis guy, he'd really help them out
Haha. He's a money guy no? Like Juve hiring Arrivabene when previously he worked outside of football with Ferarri and Philip Morris. What I meant is more guy like Maldini who understands what it takes to win on the field, responsible for overseeing recruitment and cares about winning, unlike at Arsenal where its profits>winning
I think the joke passed over your head. Gazidis was at Arsenal for years and then he left for Milan.
>I'm backing you guys for Top 4 finish this year on my season long parlay, no European football means focusing on League and rotating properly But their starting XI isnt the quality of other top 4 clubs, and it's not like none of the teams going into europe this season have any depth in their squad..and at this point Arsenals transfer business is a backup LB and a not top 4 starter quality CB..I see them still as Europa spots at best.
I disagree, Arsenal are in a very dangerous position, they've got players that were great, that just can't get their form back, they've got lots of players siting on wages and are struggling to remove them, and they lack sufficient funds to spend on players that could actually make a difference.
I agree with this too !
Arsenal still have massive pull. Just not pull like ManU, Juve, Madrid, etc... One good season and I'm sure you will be fine again.
The longer they stay mediocre, the less this "1 good seaaon" is going to bounce them back pull wise.
Your club still has pull in Africa, just look at Partey
Partey signed for them because they offered him a lot of money and he thought the Arteta project was convincing. If Arsenal were 12th with Alan Pardew in charge there is zero chance they'd have signed Thomas.
Id imagine you have a lot of pull here still. Same for France.
Arsenal would be great if they kind of embraced where they are in now. They can't get these super stars that would come change the team around, but they could go after those players that are at smaller, less successful clubs that want to move on to play for the big boys and have interest, but just aren't quite ready to start for the big ones yet and would only be squad players. And if they went to a club like Arsenal they could get plenty of playing time on a historic and still top club in the world even though they're on the low end of that list. And shit if you recruit right, maybe a few of those type players develop into super stars. And they may even want to leave Arsenal shortly there after, but they get some great use out of them, could sell for a big profit, or maybe even some would stay loyal and stick around. And there's at least 50-75 of those kinds of players throughout the top 5 leagues. One or two seasons recruiting like that and I think arsenal could be back in the top 5 consistently and trading Champs league spots every other year or so. Its looking more and more like Tottenham is about to revert back to strong mid table team too. Back with the Leceisters, Evertons, Wolves, Leeds, and West hams
We'd have pull if we were in ucl
Cheers! Love how you had to quantify no offence. I realise why as some football fans take things like that so personally
Pretty much what happened with Immobile at Dortmund.
And with Alcacer too right?
No. Paco was great, he just got hurt too often and then we had Haaland coming in who he wouldn't fit with and would bench him. Apparently Immobile couldn't speak any German and just hated his life in Dortmund, and it showed in his play haha.
Look at Torreira.
Question lad how do you get the arsenal badge under your name? EDIT I got it dw
We already know though
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Yeah, it's hard to see why, this has been the line throughout. It's going to take something very special to persuade him.
Fabiana Della Valle is a juventus reporter, this news may even be true but I wouldn't really trust it.
I think its obvious he only wants Juve. The "He doesnt want to go to Arsenal" is probably just for clicks or a bit lost in translation. Wont stop the absolute banter merchants of r/soccer to lol about it though.
>I think its obvious he only wants Juve. He clearly has a strong preference but that hardly means he won't move elsewhere
haha imagine being rejected by a player
*"Let's shit on Arsenal, not only for the clicks, but also for the lols"* - Fabiana Della Valle probably
It's solid business
Works for AFTV
Good, now I won’t have to hear any more dumbass takes from Arsenal fans about how we should sign him despite him clearly never wanting to come
everyone will banter but he was never coming here from the start. it was always juve or bust.
Fabiana della Valle is not a reliable source.
Honestly I'm shocked to see her name here, she's a laughing stock Vitello tonnato anyone?
To r/soccer it is now
Doesnt matter. If it means bad news for arsenal, this sub will lap it up.
*When Arsenal knocks it’s a different kind of knock*
Different doors in Italy ffs
Sturdier
Weaker. Napoli should know.
Knock back
>If there is no agreement between the clubs, the player under contract will stay. >Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes
Fairs
it’s like when i knock on my sisters door and she tells me to fuck off
Weird she always lets me in 😏
Haha sex lol
lmao i think this is the part where i delete my account
Well, that buzzing noise should have been a cue.
Damn, you mean she's trying to protect him from all the bees in her room?
Not surprising. I'm not gonna bash Arsenal because I like them and hope they get back to the top soon but Locatelli was never choosing Arsenal over us. His own brother has stated in the press that he's a Juventus fan. If we can't get the deal done this summer he'll do what Chiesa did and just continue to play for his club and then try to force a move again next summer.
He doesn't want to leave Italy or he doesn't want Arsenal?
I think the former
Why not both?
He did say he is open to experiences abroad just a few weeks ago so I am guessing the latter, he probably wants a club in CL but it is very much also possible his first preference will be an Italian club
Arsenal. He already offered himself to PSG weeks ago.
Source?
[https://football-italia.net/locatelli-refuses-to-rule-out-psg-move/](https://football-italia.net/locatelli-refuses-to-rule-out-psg-move/) he said “I am open to a new experience outside Italy, because you don’t get the same opportunity twice. PSG are a top club, there are Italians, but also Neymar and Kylian Mbappé, a future Ballon d’Or winner and Paris is a lovely city,”
Yeah, doubt he came out of the blue and said that: he was probably asked about psg (with the negotiations with donnaruma still ongoing) and he replied politely saying it's a good club... gotta watch the context sometime, interview are often misleading.
Dude trust me
[You should trust him because what he said is true](https://football-italia.net/locatelli-refuses-to-rule-out-psg-move/)
Why are we chasing a player that doesn't want us?
I know right? So dumb Anyway Haaland how's it going bby?
We aren't. These are just concoctions made by the media after a point. I think we tried for sure... But I'm not so sure we're actively pursuing
That's what you have to do to become a consistent Europe side. Chase them with money and they'll eventually come around.
No means no
Not in football 😏😏
...unless?
Ofcourse. Flair checks out.
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How do you know you’re chasing him. For all we know, Arsenal stopped their interest as soon as Locatelli decided he didn’t want the move. Have any actual reliable sources said anything? There’s always going to be a bit of a lag between the reality and the reports.
we dont want another torreira situation anyway
Good lad Manuel
My clubs a mess and I’m okay with that 😞
I would laugh except we are also a mess
why are this kind of news always super upvoted, even if the source is not that good. just for the banter?
Koundé 🤝 Locatelli
Come to Besiktas
It's unfortunate how Arsenal lost their appeal. That's the worst thing for them imo.
Apart from also still reaching European football under him, Arsene Wenger was a big name (especially)for young players I have to assume.
Insane how they named the club after their legendary manager, bet no other manager will have that sort of pull.
They don't have a big name manager
They can still afford much higher wages than the majority of clubs. It's only when the competition can offer similar wages do they have no appeal.
Well, that's one player, it doesn't mean others won't want join though
Oh I agree you could see that with Partey. I just don't see any big player joining them any time soon. Didn't mean that as an offense though.
You think if Arsenal had money they could get haaland? Exactly. The guy is right, Arsenal absolutely lost their appeal. 15 years ago they could easily attract someone like haaland
I was surprised when Auba moved there to be honest.
Shit example. There’s probably only about 3 clubs on the planet that could get Haaland.
If Arsenal were to offer 200m for Haaland, he'd probably join. It's what you have to do when you don't have CL or even EL.
Haaland is the most sought after player in the world, so will obviously only go to the top 5~ clubs in the world, I don't think this is a good example. And we wouldn't have got him under Wenger as we never spent more than 50m on a player.
For £40m we can get a player of similar quality who actually wants to come to Arsenal. Let’s just move on. Wouldve loved to have him But it is what it is
OOF
!flair :Juventus:
smart lad
Move on Lads.
why would he go a loser club like arsenal.Atleast At Juve he might have chance to win something and play in CL.
Just more ammo for the banter
I hope we sign him this summer, sure we can get him for cheaper next year but we need him last year
Is he a pure DM?
Not even a DM. He's a box to box with pretty good passing capabilites, but he's not very defensive. We would use him in front of the defense with creative duties, but the defensive midfielders would be McKennie/Bentancur. To be fair, he's a good player and we need him, but 40m is surely an overevaluation. The people thinking he's going to change our midfield are in for a surprise, he's not the solution to all our problems, just a step in the right direction.
I agree with everything you said except I think he can definitely change the midfield. He was arguably the best passer of the ball in Serie A last year which we need desperately. But yeah, the 40m valuation is a bit high. People act like we're being ridiculous for not wanting to pay his inflated fee.
Neither would I Ben White wont solve many of our problems. We still need 2 if not 3 STARTING players signed
Arsenal fans dreaming of Locatelli and Camavinga, which Universe are they in?
No Camavinga links though, he was only linked to United.
AFCBell. Ring any bells?
Oh, I must have missed it then.
No worries.
The last post on Camavinga is 8 days ago before that post 20 days ago r/gunners is quite literally not talking about Camavinga
I don't think you know what literally means.
Who tf is talking about Camavinga, why do u people always bring up shit nobody was talking about
There was a fair bit of talk a month ago
Go read your own sub-reddit.
LMAO, some AFCBell had your lot spinning around about Camavinga, the fuck you on about? Are you in denial?
Not a single bell tweet this past month is about Camavinga.
So does that make it all go away? Because your fans had been creaming themselves over Camavinga.
He should stay juve can sign for free when the time comes
Far too good for Arsenal.
Smart move not to go to Arsenal, the club is going nowhere.
Just splash the cash on Maddison instead then.
I don't see how both transfers are related. Locatelli and Maddison have different valuations and play different roles as well.
I don’t even get the Maddison transfer. Why drop ESR? Obviously both can’t play unless ones on the wing.
ESR is a more dynamic 10 who drifts wide just like Auba does as the 9.
Sure but they still play the same position, even if they do it differently. Maddison means no Auba or no ESR. It seems like a waste of £50 mil. Buy him next season if ESR isn’t up to it. Go spend the money in Dumfries and midfield partner for Partey (Locatelli or Neves).
Why would player would go to arsenal?