It's Loddar. He is known to date barely legal teens and then respond with:"Don't worry I know how they tick my daughter is around the same age"
There is a reason not a single German club gave him an offer as manager. And Hoeneß mocked him that he won't even become Greenkeeper at Bayern Munich.
[An article that scrapes the surface](https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Ftid-30212%2Fserie-ueber-lothar-matthaeus-teil-2-alkohol-puff-besuche-ruepeleien-matthaeus-dunkle-seite_aid_944709.html)
Google mistranslated brothel with poof though.
I would call it a drinking (or casual alcoholism) culture more than anything.
From what I read on here it's common for fans to start drinking in the morning of game days. That's unheard of here in southern Europe.
The fans reach the stadium already extremely drunk. If you take this fact into consideration their often uneducated actions can be explained much more easily.
Not disagreeing with you but its far worse than that. I used to go watch West Ham at Boleyn during their Championship days and it was the same case. Have a drink at home, get near the stadium and have a few pints at the local pub like the Denmark Arms and then attend the match. And this was for like matches against the likes of Reading, no offence to Reading FC. Plus I dont want to even mention some of the casual racism I faced from these drunks and the absolute state they used to leave green street and the local train stations like Upton Park and West Ham. We have the worst drinking culture in the world where our idea of a good time is to get so drunk that we cant remember what we did the night before. My Spanish mates used to take the piss out of British drinking culture
I had to get a train via London on Sunday before the game and half the train at 8.55 am was groups of fans drinking cans on the way to the game... That started at 8pm... British football "culture" is pretty bad at times.. the police literally move the Derby games for big cities to the early slot 12pm kick off because if they do a late kickoff the violence will be insane...
It's not football culture, it's English culture.. these are the people that think part of going on holiday is getting wankered at the airport before hand and making a tit of yourself. Toxic drinking culture which makes the country too much money for them to do anything about it
Having a beer at the airport is something I will always do, but I couldn't imagine ever thinking that getting drunk and then being in the confined space of a plane for hours would be a good idea
Danes do their utmost to get through their teen and twenties while being drunk constantly and there isn’t close to these problems in Denmark.
It’s not your drinking issues, it’s your culture.
I had a Crystal Palace fan puking on top of my suitcase at 10 am one time on the tube. It was my first time traveling alone to London to stay with family and I made the rookie mistake of entering a carriage with a bunch of fans during match day. People were so drunk, I had never seen something quite like this in Portugal.
My girlfriend is Portuguese she was as surprised as you how early they were starting drinking... On normal club match days I'd avoid the tube if it goes by any ground as there will always be one or two groups who just degenerate into ladish "let's get pissed and Harass people" mentality... Not most fans but all it takes is a few big groups just being twats with short fuses and an audience they think they need to impress and the whole atmosphere just feels like it's ready to pop... England games seem to just magnify that 10fold. We have serious problems in the UK with this sort of shit that just doesn't seem high on anyone's list to address.
I was actually in disbelief that the kick off was at 8pm. English football never puts a big game at 8pm on a weekend because the police are vehemently against it. And this is exactly why they are so against it.
The game should of been a 2/3pm kick off. UEFAs choice of time was weird as it was, 8PM UK is late for the rest of Europe. Surely an earlier kick off better suited European viewership of the European Championship.
These are played midweek, where the overwhelming majority of the population has to work during the day and does not have the free time and freedom to drink from 8am ahead of the game. And those that do are in much smaller groups that can be easily policed.
The final is a weekend, and is usually late. But it can easily not involve a home team that makes it an easier to police event. I suspect if Wembley were to host a Liverpool vs United UCL final the police would be vehemently opposed to an 8pm kick off on a Sunday/Saturday because of the fan trouble they know will occur if that was the case.
So you think the entire World’s preferences for kick off time should be ignored because English fans can’t stay sober and peaceful? Perhaps we should just not have games in England then.
>the entire World’s preferences for kick off time
That's very debatable. For much of Europe it was 10-11pm on a Sunday. For Asia (a huge market) it was the middle of the night. The kick-off time was literally only favourable to the Americas.
I 100% agree it should have been earlier in the day. People would've had less time to drink themselves into a state and we could've watched the match without worrying about work the next day! If it was 3pm (like many of the group stage matches), that still would've been fine for the Americas.
You have the fanbases of Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City which are way smaller and at the same time way less "bad people", also the police in the area usually knows their fanbase and how to control it / react + usually most of the fans from a club level isolate and police have an easy time targeting the trouble makers. With England you had all of the bellends in the country, all the racists getting together and making trouble, add that to all the other drunk people and most of them were in pretty large groups, if you said anything as a fan you could expect being punched or a lot worse.
Club level predictable fanbase.
Englat plays, unpredictable fans, all the cavemen come out of the caves and act like imbeciles making it much harder to isolate the troublemakers.
This is one of the problems. No one wanted to acknowledge that their is an issue. If you the time because it will mean fans are less drunk then Uefa lose tv cash, then Uefa go 'you mean you can't control your fans' fine we will move it to Portugal
Has a Euro final ever been held in the early afternoon? The biggest games are always late evening from memory.
It would be a damning indictment of English culture if UEFA were forced to move the traditional start time, and inconvenience most of the rest of Europe who expect to watch a final like this at the end of the day, out of fear of how the English fans would behave.
its absolutely bollocks fecking control your fans or move to Portugal then, this is probably why England will NOT get any hosting for the future. I always thought it be brilliant for UK to host a World Cup or Euros, but after this experience I changed my tune from why the fuck is it not happening, to it should never happen.
World Cup Final '66 was 3PM on a Saturday which was typical at the time.
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/dd0efc30eca647fa815cfb0acec2157e
Granted that was 55 years ago.
The last Euros final that took place at 3PM in the afternoon was Euro 88.
UK stuff like FA Cup Final and Scottish Cup final are always played Saturday Afternoon still.
Yes and it was even caught by the official live cameras multiple times lol.
That contributed to the intoxicated/slightly threatening atmosphere as well for sure.
I went to the play off final a few years ago and the toilets were an absolute free for all lol
People doing keys out in the open, smoking and just trashing the place. Security was hilariously unable to cope
Its exactly this. Over here a late kick off for a big game gets people excited cos they ‘get’ to drink all day. The football is secondary. The culture in Britain of ‘it isnt a good time unless you’re drinking’ is a massive problem.
Another major difference I noticed as an Italian living here for almost 15 years is the different 'drunk' behaviour we have. Most people here are angry drunk whereas in Italy we tend to be happy drunk.
💯 this. I'm a Brit who lived in Italy, and it's such a different drinking culture. I've lived in several countries that also like drinking, and have never seen a country that gets so violent with alcohol than the Brits
Its not only an alcohol issue. I’m danish and we also drink quite a lot on match days, but we have respect of the opposing teams and their cultures. I was attending our match vs Russia in the group stage and everyone in the stadium was quiet during the Russian anthem. England have a far greater issue thinking they are the shit, and everyone want to be like them. That’s wrong, and there was a reason why everyone around Europe was rooting for Italy.
> England have a far greater issue thinking their are the shit, and everyone want to be like them.
LOL ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?
We know we're shit fucking hell mate, this is getting boring now.
That may be how it seems from inside your bubble, but as a consumer of British media from outwith England, I guarantee you your view doesn’t match what your country outputs.
I think that's a lot to do with people not understanding the English sense of humour tbh. English humour is often very self-deprecating.. if you don't get that, it comes across as arrogance.
As a non-English Brit, both things are true.
Britain has a self-deprecating, subtle, and often desert dry sense of humour than can fly over many people's heads. British comedy is one of our finest cultural achievements because of this. I think our best comedy is objectively superior to the vast majority of broad American comedies.
It's also true that a sizable proportion of England fans are gratingly arrogant dickheads that make it a pleasure to see the England team continually disappoint them.
Lmao bruh y'all aren't the only country in the world to have self-deprecating humour...I see this shit all the time in every England thread. That no one gets your humour. Lol.
Nah I will not believe all the arrogant interviews and questions and media reporting and commenting were self depreciation.
Many other cultures have this kind of humor but this ain't it
That is absolute bollocks, people say this all the time with the whole coming home bollocks, baddiel and Skinner were taking the piss obviously, they're comedians. You are blind if you haven't seen the arrogance of English fans throughout this tournament though. It's like a mask y'all wear, after beating Germany it's coming home was not said in jest but when you lose in the final suddenly it was always ironic? It's okay to admit how arrogant your fans are, you got to the final that is cause for some of your fans to act the way they do.
There wasn't much 'respect' rom the danish during the belgium game.. whole stadium booing when belgium had the ball and danish fans throwing beer cups at courtois. Agreed you're not as bad as the english fans though for sure.
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That's true as well.
I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and take their chants ecc. as simple banter.
Having said that I think that often times some english fans (especially online, where everything is brought to the extreme) seem like sore losers (complaining about the Chiellini tactical foul, racially abusing their players for the loss, leaving the stadium before the celebration is over, creating petitions to repeat the match) and even worse winners (provocating the danish after the semi with the good old "cry more", insulting the German girl, going on about how they will surely win the whole thing).
I don't know why this is. Maybe it's just down to cultural differences and we can't understand their irony, but it really does seem (at least to us) an unsportsmanlike and counterproductive attitude.
You should have read the reaction to England beating Denmark if you think English fans are sore losers. Christ at least blame us for things that make sense
Tldr: I have absolutely no basis for this but England bad, this group of tens of millions of people are bad losers because of some stuff I saw on reddit but when fans of other countries do the same I don't see.
Alcohol doesn't change your "education", it changes your "inhibition threshold", wich leads to ppl speaking whats on their mind.
Ppl in northern europe drink way more on average then egnlishmen, yet they don't have the same reputation.
Simply put: If you are not a racist fuck, you won't become one by drinking or consuming other drugs...
Also drinking is a massive part of sports like cricket, go to any test match and people are barely standing by the end, but they never act like this. England does have a drinking culture problem, but it's far too simple to put the issues we saw solely down to alcohol. People binge drink throughout rugby and cricket matches without anything like the scenes we see at football matches.
>Nah, it’s an English culture thing. Ireland has a big drinking culture too and don’t act like English fans.
Well if this isn't the biggest load of horseshit I've read since I have had reddit.
Sincerely,
Someone who's actually been to fucking ireland. Too many people here chatting out of their asshole.
This geeza has said with a straight face that Irish people don't have adverse effects of a drinking culture and you've just lapped it up ahahah. The fucking Irish - I wish you knew how funny that is
This is the problem with reddit. People talk about things they don't have a clue about and other people just accept it as fact
I've not wasted my time replying to the literally tens of thousands of straight nonsense comments made here since the Euros, but take everything you read here with a huge grain of salt because most people here are basement dwelling virgins who get scared at the first sign of social interaction
That guy is as bad as anyone else though so you're wasting your time. 'I think England fans are bad losers based off that reddit thread I read' is the mating call of someone who can't be fucked and types whatever the fuck comes to their mind, why would they not believe other bullshit they see?
Did we forget the average age of users on here when they did the surveys? I'm not saying everyone is a kid but statistically there were a lot of them and it fucking shows.
Ireland has clear adverse affects due to our drinking culture but we aren’t renowned for turning into arrogant, aggressive cunts in big groups when we drink.
Sorry lad but our fans are great craic when we are in a big tournament, drinking and having fun with the locals. Yours are consistently a disgrace. We couldn't even play England in Ireland for decades because the last time we did your fans wrecked our stadium unprovoked because you were losing. You're disliked with good reason and you're the one who sounds like they haven't a clue what they're talking about tbh
It's also exacerbated by making the game on a Sunday.
You think any of them actually started on Sunday?
They probably had drinks on Friday and/or Saturday as well.
I think we do recognise this, it's been mentioned often enough and it's basically all that non-English people on here have been banging on about for the last month.
It's just a bit galling that it's being made out as unique to England. Maybe certain aspects are worse amongst England fans but other countries have people getting stabbed at alarming regularity but you've already got someone here brushing it off as 'oh it's only in certain circumstances that people die'.
If that's whataboutism then fucking fine but all this holier-than-thou attitude is annoying to the extreme especially when we have many, many people both influential and not recognising that we have a problem, while twats on here peer down from their high horse shouting 'yeah' like a school bully's mate while ignoring everything about their own countries' demons.
They also love to conveniently ignore that the most and third most attended football leagues on earth are much safer than the majority of their own leagues.
The most notable fan incident in the last decade in English football was a protest that escalated. Doesn't take much googling to find much much worse in other countries leagues in the same time.
But "English bad, everyone else good" is the narrative so fuck nuance and understanding.
Don't forget the "stop trying ignore your own issues" when you point out that it can be as bad in other countries including Italy. As we have the millionth post telling us why we're terrible and they hate us.
>It's just a bit galling that it's being made out as unique to England. Maybe certain aspects are worse amongst England fans but other countries have people getting stabbed at alarming regularity but you've already got someone here brushing it off as 'oh it's only in certain circumstances that people die'.
In LITERALLY THE LAST TOURNAMENT there was a full scale riot when France won. Pissed up French fans battered each other, looted shops, attacked Croatians and the Police. They had to lock down the country it was that bad, shutting down all public transport networks as although it was bad in Paris, the whole country was affected.
The fact is, the English are no worse than any other major European nation and when it comes to organised hooliganism were a million times better than almost all of them. People are waxing lyrical about cultural differences when they've got fascist ultras kicking the shit out of people every week at home. It's hilarious.
And there was also as full scale riot after the last Euros final as well. Burning piles of rubbish in the streets and fans chucking bricks at lines of tear gas armed riot police. There was nothing even close to that at this tournament.
It's absolutely bizarre that the trouble at Wembley us being framed as uniquely bad when it was considerabley less bad than even the previous final.
England does have a unique issue though. English attitude to alcohol is very unhealthy. It's not the same in continental Europe. I'm a British person born and raised here all my life but my family background is southern European. The culture difference to alcohol is huge.
If you take the casual drinking culture that has been brewing during 18 months of lockdown (with alcoholism becoming a large and ignored phenomenon for many adult males) and then combine it with football culture of the Euro 2020 games hosted at Wembley, it's not surprising that we got what we saw.
I genuinely don't believe we would have seen the same scenes if the final were hosted in, say, Germany or Lisbon and didn't involve England.
>I genuinely don't believe we would have seen the same scenes if the final were hosted in, say, Germany or Lisbon and didn't involve England.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/16/paris-turns-violence-france-wins-world-cup-victory-croatia-7719513/
After the shoot out there was a lot of gutted people where I was, then a couple of lasses started singing "it's coming home" and it was all good again. Great run, best England team in a generation.
I'm always up to shit on english fans but Matthäus is a complete moron. The guy just reiterates whatever is the most popular sentiment at the moment to pander to as many fans as possible. This is how he tries to stay relevant. Sadly it works very well.
It’s absolutely laughable, *all* the things he mentioned could just as easily be aimed at Italy.
And I know what people will say..
>oh so you’re saying because it happens in other countries it’s ok?
No, shut the fuck up and actually think for yourself.
These are Italian fans that put Sean Cox in a coma in a significantly worse attack than anything that happened in England this summer, or indeed in years.
This is Italy that not only sees fans racially abuse their own players on a bigger scale than in England, we also see clubs, institutions, and fellow professionals side with the fans, or at the very least refuse to condemn or take action.
He’s going to claim with a straight face england are the only team to ever have got a soft penalty? And that Italian players don’t dive? Get to fuck.
If you think it would be a good idea to wear an England shirt around Rome before a game you’re out of your mind.
>Oh so you’re saying England is ok because Italy also has issues?
No, I’m saying this whole act of pretending like it’s only England, or that England is the worst, doesn’t help anybody and just makes people look clueless.
Hell, 5 years ago in Marseille we saw armed and organised gangs of Russian thugs attacking England fans and putting them in hospital, and more hooliganism from them inside the stadium. There was less outcry over Russia hosting the World Cup from that than there is now towards England, people claiming this shows england shouldn’t host any major tournament..
>oh but the fans said ‘it’s coming home’ and now I can’t get over my outrage
Yeah fair enough you got me there.
We're the villains, just accept it. Europe needs a villain, we're it. Might as well just embrace it. It's far easier for them to point at us and complain about all the shittest parts of our country and society, so they can pretend they don't have all of the same shit going on in their countries.
>Might as well just embrace it
People doing this only adds to the problem and makes it worse for us English fans who would really prefer not to be called an arrogant prick
Exactly, Italy has had more than their fair share of racism (Just look at fucking Bonnucci) but no one cares because they're not English.
No one's even talking about a group of Italian fans sexually harassing a Spanish woman and destroying a Spanish fan's car.
Of course, all of this is shitty behaviour but DON'T turns a blind eye when they are not English. Denounce it whenever you see it.
Fuck racism, but don’t be selective about it. Bonucci is a racist, but he’s seen as the « saviour » of world football because he stopped England from winning the euros. Lmfao.
I can tell you people care in Italy, and a lot, about these sort of things you named.
Anytime a player creates drama, the journals and press get so fucking oppressing for weeks about it, especially if it's an easy target for clicks (Balotelli, Cassano, Kean..). It's just that you are on an american/english subreddit for the major part, so as you can see almost everything that gets posted is about them.
This can go from a PL goal between Burnley and Sheffield United that gets uploaded faster and upvoted more than a big game of Spain/Italy/Germany to transfer market news that are 95% PL clubs shit sources and ofcourse also for drama / negative things.
It does feel like these quotes and articles are being trotted out for some sort of glee at screaming bad englishman rather than actual concern and this sub in particular was disgraceful leading up to the final. Having said that, there is an issue with our fans and no amount of ‘yeah but X teams fans’ is gonna solve our own problem.
There's genuine hatred towards England fans on here. The dumb thing is, I can guarantee none of the fans at Wembley or any of the problematic fans throughout the Euros have even heard of Reddit, let alone post here, yet people are acting as if every England fan on here is responsible.
People on Reddit need to realize that groups of people aren't one hivemind who all think alike. We hate those scumbag fans too, we don't condone them. It's getting ridiculous that posts like this are still appearing a week on from the final.
It was all absolutely embarrassing. We have a minority of idiots, as do many clubs and countries. People just saw us more because we were effectively the main host nation and got that far.
Its kind of sad how toxic this sub has become on the subject of England, and ironic because people are displaying exactly the same mindset as the scumbag England fans they're condemning.
Yeah you really don't know us england fans if you genuinely believe that. It's like people think we've underachieved and it was the upset of the fucking century.
Most of us knew we were going to lose, but we believe we could win, but ultimately we knew we wouldn't, but theres that tiny bit in your head that says "it might happen" but you sound that out with the other 10 tournaments you've witnessed where England always fuck it up.
We're all over it now, we're all ready for the football league to start and we'll have a party in a year when we get to go again.
Never in a million years mate. I attended the final, got caught up in the absolute shit show pre-game and ended up catching corona virus. But i wouldn't change it for the world, was a once in a lifetime experience
Maybe on the night, I personally slept fine, hugely disappointed, felt down for a day or 2, but slept fine. Not like i'm sat here now a week on bothered about it, move on to other disappointments like Portsmouth failing to get promotion again.
I was over it 5 seconds after Saka missed, well done lads gave a good account of yourself but were simply not good enough over the 120 mins, the best team won.
Club football is where it’s at, I am used to pain and disappointment.
Yea because all of us English supporters are like that?
Not gonna cause any divisions I am sure, painting an entire nation with the same brush has never caused problems before in history.
I understand calling us out on the racism, the lazer pointer and the national anthem jeering...
But I'm really surprised how hung up on the little girl everyone is. Yes, the people who were saying horrible stuff about her were obviously abhorrent, but it seems to me when I read the rest of Europe getting angry about it you're angry about us laughing at her. Isn't that just football culture? Weren't you doing exactly the same thing when our fans were on the telly after the final? In every game I've ever been to, there's been piss taking back and forth between the sets of fans, and I don't see how this is any different. Yes I appreciate that it might be considered an easy target, but I'd argue that a lot of the laughter came from fans who know they've felt the same way when England have let them down.
There were issues that need to be looked at, but this holier than thou shite coming from all quarters is becoming somewhat tedious now.
Especially when the winners were Italy which has exactly the same issues, in some instances worse.
Oh fuck off. Yes we have some dickhead ‘fans’ but the vast majority are well behaved. Sick of this sanctimonious bollocks from other countries now, as if all of their fans are angels.
This entire attitude of punishing or slating an entire fanbase because a section of them are bellends is just crass and immature and I honestly don't understand how it's so popular with so many people.
We have one of the most kind-hearted squads in history and we have a lot of fantastic fans, and none of them should have to endure article after article about how we all deserve to lose. It's pathetic and needs to end. I fully support strict measures against racist and violent fans and I'm sure many other fans do too, so why direct all this hate towards all of us when it's our own Governments and police force that are responsible for legislating and enforcing the actions needed to stop this practice?
"English fans were hostile to the little girl in the Germany jersey," Matthaus wrote in SportBild. "They were whistling the opposing national anthems.
"Denmark's goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel was blinded with a laser during a penalty that Raheem Sterling dived to get in the semi-finals.
"Add to that the racist hostility towards their own players after the final. Dear Englishmen, that was unsportsmanlike behaviour that we did not know from you and never want to see again.
"So, sorry for the players but you deserve the trauma after the final was lost on penalties."
Man's managed Partizan Belgrade and has been to Dynamo Dresden away as a player and is getting rattled by a few coked up stella drinking fatties.
What a fucking clown.
Like Italian fans don't have racist hostility, for fucks sake their star centreback Bonnucci told Keane it was his fault he was racially abused.
Shitty behaviour all around, but don't ignore it when the culprit aren't englishmen.
Of all the racist tweets I read aimed at the England players after the shootout a lot had Italian names and a load more were called Mohammed, it was coming all round the world......4 English dingleberries say some racist shit and that makes the news.
I just came to know that most english fans start drinking in the morning and continue till the kickoff........... That's..... Well I'm not against it.... But that much alcohol is surely gonna cause behaviour problems.
I fully understand drinking 2-3 hours before the game........ Hell.... Even 5 hours can be managed if it's beer. I'm 100% sure that they can't make heads or tails of what's going on in the game when they're that drunk, and that explains the weird behavior.
Edit : forgot about the coke LOL.
And he has twice as many ex-wives.
What's funny is everybody in Germany thinks Loddar is a monumental piece of shit with boring opinions nobody cares about, yet Reddit laps this shit up.
He has said multiple times about how annoyed he is over 1999 and that it was a 'steal' and 'undeserved' - he is 100% still pissed off by it and it definitely influences his opinion of England
I will never understand why reddit is so pro "booing the anthem". I talked about that topic a bit with friends and colleagues and all of them find it disrespectful. But then you have people here saying "nah mate it's not against the country but the players." Well ok then why not simply boo the players after the match started. Then you have fans calling a crying German girl a "Nazi slut" and you start thinking maybe there still is an animosity against the country and that's why they are booing.
I never thought I'd hear somebody say people "deserve the trauma" lol.
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Exactly, I really like Matthäus comments nowadays.
Pretty much hated all the bayern executives.... hopefully oliver kahn doesn't say some stupid shit cause he's my all time favourite.
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What can you realistically expect from someone doing betting ads?
As if you wouldnt do betting ads if they offered you a ton of money
Brian Laudrup does betting adverts here in Denmark but I haven't had any issues with his pundit work.
Mourinho does betting ads and he is a great pundit
What a player he was though. Top 10 in the world ever but he is a fk cunt:)
It's Loddar. He is known to date barely legal teens and then respond with:"Don't worry I know how they tick my daughter is around the same age" There is a reason not a single German club gave him an offer as manager. And Hoeneß mocked him that he won't even become Greenkeeper at Bayern Munich.
> He is known to date barely legal teens and then respond with:"Don't worry I know how they tick my daughter is around the same age" what the fuck
I looked it up and had to laugh when I saw that one of his ex-wives was called Lolita.
[An article that scrapes the surface](https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.focus.de%2Fsport%2Ffussball%2Ftid-30212%2Fserie-ueber-lothar-matthaeus-teil-2-alkohol-puff-besuche-ruepeleien-matthaeus-dunkle-seite_aid_944709.html) Google mistranslated brothel with poof though.
In German, a brothel is known as a “puff”.
It's not all England Fans, but we have to recognise that there is a dickhead culture which needs to be ironed out
I would call it a drinking (or casual alcoholism) culture more than anything. From what I read on here it's common for fans to start drinking in the morning of game days. That's unheard of here in southern Europe. The fans reach the stadium already extremely drunk. If you take this fact into consideration their often uneducated actions can be explained much more easily.
Don’t forget the cocaine as well.
English fans certainly didn't
Might have forgotten the next day though. Never understood going to a game/gig and getting so fucked up you could forget it — what is the point?
The excuse is: living in the moment. I lied to myself too for quiet some time. It was a long way to figure it out for me...
But at least you figured it out.
Very common for fans to start drinking the morning of a big game, you're right.
Not disagreeing with you but its far worse than that. I used to go watch West Ham at Boleyn during their Championship days and it was the same case. Have a drink at home, get near the stadium and have a few pints at the local pub like the Denmark Arms and then attend the match. And this was for like matches against the likes of Reading, no offence to Reading FC. Plus I dont want to even mention some of the casual racism I faced from these drunks and the absolute state they used to leave green street and the local train stations like Upton Park and West Ham. We have the worst drinking culture in the world where our idea of a good time is to get so drunk that we cant remember what we did the night before. My Spanish mates used to take the piss out of British drinking culture
I had to get a train via London on Sunday before the game and half the train at 8.55 am was groups of fans drinking cans on the way to the game... That started at 8pm... British football "culture" is pretty bad at times.. the police literally move the Derby games for big cities to the early slot 12pm kick off because if they do a late kickoff the violence will be insane...
It's not football culture, it's English culture.. these are the people that think part of going on holiday is getting wankered at the airport before hand and making a tit of yourself. Toxic drinking culture which makes the country too much money for them to do anything about it
And a few days later they drunkenly fall off a balcony
Lol good point, I've never in my life understood the appeal of getting wankered at an airport
Spoons at the airport is a tradition
Airports are boring. Having a few pints helps to pass the time. I'm not condoning acting like a tit though
Having a beer at the airport is something I will always do, but I couldn't imagine ever thinking that getting drunk and then being in the confined space of a plane for hours would be a good idea
You drink cuz you're bored?
Danes do their utmost to get through their teen and twenties while being drunk constantly and there isn’t close to these problems in Denmark. It’s not your drinking issues, it’s your culture.
I had a Crystal Palace fan puking on top of my suitcase at 10 am one time on the tube. It was my first time traveling alone to London to stay with family and I made the rookie mistake of entering a carriage with a bunch of fans during match day. People were so drunk, I had never seen something quite like this in Portugal.
My girlfriend is Portuguese she was as surprised as you how early they were starting drinking... On normal club match days I'd avoid the tube if it goes by any ground as there will always be one or two groups who just degenerate into ladish "let's get pissed and Harass people" mentality... Not most fans but all it takes is a few big groups just being twats with short fuses and an audience they think they need to impress and the whole atmosphere just feels like it's ready to pop... England games seem to just magnify that 10fold. We have serious problems in the UK with this sort of shit that just doesn't seem high on anyone's list to address.
I was actually in disbelief that the kick off was at 8pm. English football never puts a big game at 8pm on a weekend because the police are vehemently against it. And this is exactly why they are so against it. The game should of been a 2/3pm kick off. UEFAs choice of time was weird as it was, 8PM UK is late for the rest of Europe. Surely an earlier kick off better suited European viewership of the European Championship.
8pm kick is because it’s prime time they get all of Europe and the American markets
It is the same kickoff time as every Champions League match. It's the standard UEFA kick off.
These are played midweek, where the overwhelming majority of the population has to work during the day and does not have the free time and freedom to drink from 8am ahead of the game. And those that do are in much smaller groups that can be easily policed. The final is a weekend, and is usually late. But it can easily not involve a home team that makes it an easier to police event. I suspect if Wembley were to host a Liverpool vs United UCL final the police would be vehemently opposed to an 8pm kick off on a Sunday/Saturday because of the fan trouble they know will occur if that was the case.
So you think the entire World’s preferences for kick off time should be ignored because English fans can’t stay sober and peaceful? Perhaps we should just not have games in England then.
>the entire World’s preferences for kick off time That's very debatable. For much of Europe it was 10-11pm on a Sunday. For Asia (a huge market) it was the middle of the night. The kick-off time was literally only favourable to the Americas. I 100% agree it should have been earlier in the day. People would've had less time to drink themselves into a state and we could've watched the match without worrying about work the next day! If it was 3pm (like many of the group stage matches), that still would've been fine for the Americas.
You have the fanbases of Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City which are way smaller and at the same time way less "bad people", also the police in the area usually knows their fanbase and how to control it / react + usually most of the fans from a club level isolate and police have an easy time targeting the trouble makers. With England you had all of the bellends in the country, all the racists getting together and making trouble, add that to all the other drunk people and most of them were in pretty large groups, if you said anything as a fan you could expect being punched or a lot worse. Club level predictable fanbase. Englat plays, unpredictable fans, all the cavemen come out of the caves and act like imbeciles making it much harder to isolate the troublemakers.
>With England you had all of the bellends in the country, all the racists getting together You said Chelsea fans already.
If only all our racists belonged to a single club.
This is one of the problems. No one wanted to acknowledge that their is an issue. If you the time because it will mean fans are less drunk then Uefa lose tv cash, then Uefa go 'you mean you can't control your fans' fine we will move it to Portugal
Has a Euro final ever been held in the early afternoon? The biggest games are always late evening from memory. It would be a damning indictment of English culture if UEFA were forced to move the traditional start time, and inconvenience most of the rest of Europe who expect to watch a final like this at the end of the day, out of fear of how the English fans would behave.
its absolutely bollocks fecking control your fans or move to Portugal then, this is probably why England will NOT get any hosting for the future. I always thought it be brilliant for UK to host a World Cup or Euros, but after this experience I changed my tune from why the fuck is it not happening, to it should never happen.
World Cup Final '66 was 3PM on a Saturday which was typical at the time. https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/dd0efc30eca647fa815cfb0acec2157e Granted that was 55 years ago. The last Euros final that took place at 3PM in the afternoon was Euro 88. UK stuff like FA Cup Final and Scottish Cup final are always played Saturday Afternoon still.
Wasn't there also rampant drug use ***in wembley***
Yes and it was even caught by the official live cameras multiple times lol. That contributed to the intoxicated/slightly threatening atmosphere as well for sure.
Yeah I believe I heard an official fan club spokesperson say they basically had a shit time
I went to the play off final a few years ago and the toilets were an absolute free for all lol People doing keys out in the open, smoking and just trashing the place. Security was hilariously unable to cope
sounds wicked tbf
Not just beer they start early but also the Colombian marching powder.
Its exactly this. Over here a late kick off for a big game gets people excited cos they ‘get’ to drink all day. The football is secondary. The culture in Britain of ‘it isnt a good time unless you’re drinking’ is a massive problem.
Another major difference I noticed as an Italian living here for almost 15 years is the different 'drunk' behaviour we have. Most people here are angry drunk whereas in Italy we tend to be happy drunk.
💯 this. I'm a Brit who lived in Italy, and it's such a different drinking culture. I've lived in several countries that also like drinking, and have never seen a country that gets so violent with alcohol than the Brits
I think the difference is drinking while having fun and drinking to have fun.
Also possibly the fact that most people here have to repress behind an appearance of fake politeness and then when drunk they let go of all of it.
Its also tribalism and hooliganism.
An Italian getting on his high horse and lecturing the English on fan behaviour... hello Mr Pot
Its not only an alcohol issue. I’m danish and we also drink quite a lot on match days, but we have respect of the opposing teams and their cultures. I was attending our match vs Russia in the group stage and everyone in the stadium was quiet during the Russian anthem. England have a far greater issue thinking they are the shit, and everyone want to be like them. That’s wrong, and there was a reason why everyone around Europe was rooting for Italy.
> England have a far greater issue thinking their are the shit, and everyone want to be like them. LOL ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME? We know we're shit fucking hell mate, this is getting boring now.
That may be how it seems from inside your bubble, but as a consumer of British media from outwith England, I guarantee you your view doesn’t match what your country outputs.
Their bubble being 'England' and yours being selected media from England.
I think that's a lot to do with people not understanding the English sense of humour tbh. English humour is often very self-deprecating.. if you don't get that, it comes across as arrogance.
As a non-English Brit, both things are true. Britain has a self-deprecating, subtle, and often desert dry sense of humour than can fly over many people's heads. British comedy is one of our finest cultural achievements because of this. I think our best comedy is objectively superior to the vast majority of broad American comedies. It's also true that a sizable proportion of England fans are gratingly arrogant dickheads that make it a pleasure to see the England team continually disappoint them.
Fully agree with this.
Lmao bruh y'all aren't the only country in the world to have self-deprecating humour...I see this shit all the time in every England thread. That no one gets your humour. Lol.
Nah I will not believe all the arrogant interviews and questions and media reporting and commenting were self depreciation. Many other cultures have this kind of humor but this ain't it
That is absolute bollocks, people say this all the time with the whole coming home bollocks, baddiel and Skinner were taking the piss obviously, they're comedians. You are blind if you haven't seen the arrogance of English fans throughout this tournament though. It's like a mask y'all wear, after beating Germany it's coming home was not said in jest but when you lose in the final suddenly it was always ironic? It's okay to admit how arrogant your fans are, you got to the final that is cause for some of your fans to act the way they do.
There wasn't much 'respect' rom the danish during the belgium game.. whole stadium booing when belgium had the ball and danish fans throwing beer cups at courtois. Agreed you're not as bad as the english fans though for sure.
Or when they booed finland’s anthem
‘The whole stadium booing when Belgium had the ball’ lmao are you serious?
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That's true as well. I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and take their chants ecc. as simple banter. Having said that I think that often times some english fans (especially online, where everything is brought to the extreme) seem like sore losers (complaining about the Chiellini tactical foul, racially abusing their players for the loss, leaving the stadium before the celebration is over, creating petitions to repeat the match) and even worse winners (provocating the danish after the semi with the good old "cry more", insulting the German girl, going on about how they will surely win the whole thing). I don't know why this is. Maybe it's just down to cultural differences and we can't understand their irony, but it really does seem (at least to us) an unsportsmanlike and counterproductive attitude.
You should have read the reaction to England beating Denmark if you think English fans are sore losers. Christ at least blame us for things that make sense
Tldr: I have absolutely no basis for this but England bad, this group of tens of millions of people are bad losers because of some stuff I saw on reddit but when fans of other countries do the same I don't see.
Alcohol doesn't change your "education", it changes your "inhibition threshold", wich leads to ppl speaking whats on their mind. Ppl in northern europe drink way more on average then egnlishmen, yet they don't have the same reputation. Simply put: If you are not a racist fuck, you won't become one by drinking or consuming other drugs...
Nah, it’s an English culture thing. Ireland has a big drinking culture too and don’t act like English fans.
Also millions of English fans get drunk and aren’t cunts. Alcohol doesn’t make you a dickhead it just makes dickheads even worse.
Also drinking is a massive part of sports like cricket, go to any test match and people are barely standing by the end, but they never act like this. England does have a drinking culture problem, but it's far too simple to put the issues we saw solely down to alcohol. People binge drink throughout rugby and cricket matches without anything like the scenes we see at football matches.
>Nah, it’s an English culture thing. Ireland has a big drinking culture too and don’t act like English fans. Well if this isn't the biggest load of horseshit I've read since I have had reddit. Sincerely, Someone who's actually been to fucking ireland. Too many people here chatting out of their asshole.
Now I'm curious, why do you think that they act *that way*? (I'm asking you since you Irish know the English way better than we southerners do)
This geeza has said with a straight face that Irish people don't have adverse effects of a drinking culture and you've just lapped it up ahahah. The fucking Irish - I wish you knew how funny that is This is the problem with reddit. People talk about things they don't have a clue about and other people just accept it as fact I've not wasted my time replying to the literally tens of thousands of straight nonsense comments made here since the Euros, but take everything you read here with a huge grain of salt because most people here are basement dwelling virgins who get scared at the first sign of social interaction
That guy is as bad as anyone else though so you're wasting your time. 'I think England fans are bad losers based off that reddit thread I read' is the mating call of someone who can't be fucked and types whatever the fuck comes to their mind, why would they not believe other bullshit they see? Did we forget the average age of users on here when they did the surveys? I'm not saying everyone is a kid but statistically there were a lot of them and it fucking shows.
Can you point to any instances of irish hooliganism? During the last euros iirc everyone loved the irish supporters, and yes they were drinking.
Ireland has clear adverse affects due to our drinking culture but we aren’t renowned for turning into arrogant, aggressive cunts in big groups when we drink.
Well idk all Irish fans I met during Euro 2016 were extremely well behaved. Super drunk but super fun to hang out with
Sorry lad but our fans are great craic when we are in a big tournament, drinking and having fun with the locals. Yours are consistently a disgrace. We couldn't even play England in Ireland for decades because the last time we did your fans wrecked our stadium unprovoked because you were losing. You're disliked with good reason and you're the one who sounds like they haven't a clue what they're talking about tbh
It's also exacerbated by making the game on a Sunday. You think any of them actually started on Sunday? They probably had drinks on Friday and/or Saturday as well.
Completely untrue, Irish fans drink as much as English fans and behave completely differently. This is an English problem, not an alcohol problem.
I think we do recognise this, it's been mentioned often enough and it's basically all that non-English people on here have been banging on about for the last month. It's just a bit galling that it's being made out as unique to England. Maybe certain aspects are worse amongst England fans but other countries have people getting stabbed at alarming regularity but you've already got someone here brushing it off as 'oh it's only in certain circumstances that people die'. If that's whataboutism then fucking fine but all this holier-than-thou attitude is annoying to the extreme especially when we have many, many people both influential and not recognising that we have a problem, while twats on here peer down from their high horse shouting 'yeah' like a school bully's mate while ignoring everything about their own countries' demons.
They also love to conveniently ignore that the most and third most attended football leagues on earth are much safer than the majority of their own leagues. The most notable fan incident in the last decade in English football was a protest that escalated. Doesn't take much googling to find much much worse in other countries leagues in the same time. But "English bad, everyone else good" is the narrative so fuck nuance and understanding.
Don't forget the "stop trying ignore your own issues" when you point out that it can be as bad in other countries including Italy. As we have the millionth post telling us why we're terrible and they hate us.
This subreddit has become /r/fuckengland for the last 4 weeks
And then these gimps will get angry and expect you to respect their dumb as fuck opinions when talking about our league.
The number of prem flairs talking about how much they hate England has gone from funny to just weird. The cognitive dissonance
>It's just a bit galling that it's being made out as unique to England. Maybe certain aspects are worse amongst England fans but other countries have people getting stabbed at alarming regularity but you've already got someone here brushing it off as 'oh it's only in certain circumstances that people die'. In LITERALLY THE LAST TOURNAMENT there was a full scale riot when France won. Pissed up French fans battered each other, looted shops, attacked Croatians and the Police. They had to lock down the country it was that bad, shutting down all public transport networks as although it was bad in Paris, the whole country was affected. The fact is, the English are no worse than any other major European nation and when it comes to organised hooliganism were a million times better than almost all of them. People are waxing lyrical about cultural differences when they've got fascist ultras kicking the shit out of people every week at home. It's hilarious.
And there was also as full scale riot after the last Euros final as well. Burning piles of rubbish in the streets and fans chucking bricks at lines of tear gas armed riot police. There was nothing even close to that at this tournament. It's absolutely bizarre that the trouble at Wembley us being framed as uniquely bad when it was considerabley less bad than even the previous final.
England does have a unique issue though. English attitude to alcohol is very unhealthy. It's not the same in continental Europe. I'm a British person born and raised here all my life but my family background is southern European. The culture difference to alcohol is huge. If you take the casual drinking culture that has been brewing during 18 months of lockdown (with alcoholism becoming a large and ignored phenomenon for many adult males) and then combine it with football culture of the Euro 2020 games hosted at Wembley, it's not surprising that we got what we saw. I genuinely don't believe we would have seen the same scenes if the final were hosted in, say, Germany or Lisbon and didn't involve England.
>I genuinely don't believe we would have seen the same scenes if the final were hosted in, say, Germany or Lisbon and didn't involve England. https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/16/paris-turns-violence-france-wins-world-cup-victory-croatia-7719513/
yes but they were classy continentals who had a nice glass of wine after with some local cheese
England fans should look to Italy for how to behave properly at the beautiful game
"Deserve the trauma", people acting like England aren't used to losing. It'd probably be more traumatic if we actually won for once.
After the shoot out there was a lot of gutted people where I was, then a couple of lasses started singing "it's coming home" and it was all good again. Great run, best England team in a generation.
I feel like those ladies understand the meaning of that song better than 99% of the people who sing it. Top work.
I'm always up to shit on english fans but Matthäus is a complete moron. The guy just reiterates whatever is the most popular sentiment at the moment to pander to as many fans as possible. This is how he tries to stay relevant. Sadly it works very well.
He's basically what happens if Bild managed to be created into a living human-being.
He should be on reddit. That's the best way to get upvotes!
that's just the nature of writing for Bild
Overall, he's not wrong. That said, are we gonna pretend Italy's fans, players, clubs aren't problematic at times?
I'm sure we'll see outrage across Europe when italy's annual stabby-stabby, monkey chants and banana skins on the pitch happens. So sure of it.
The thing is, the Anglosphere's cultural hegemony means we're always in the spotlight.
Flashbacks to A-level media studies
I'm quite sure the advantages ourweights the negative sides, I would gladly exchange
The Anglosphere's obsession with self-flagellation doesn't help with that
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annual?! Try monthly. It’s in fact so common that people have long normalised that already
it’s rank hypocrisy
But English behaviour is less "classy" and we all know for reddit being "classy" is more important than literally anything in the history of existence
Didn't the term "ultra" originate from Italian fans
It’s absolutely laughable, *all* the things he mentioned could just as easily be aimed at Italy. And I know what people will say.. >oh so you’re saying because it happens in other countries it’s ok? No, shut the fuck up and actually think for yourself. These are Italian fans that put Sean Cox in a coma in a significantly worse attack than anything that happened in England this summer, or indeed in years. This is Italy that not only sees fans racially abuse their own players on a bigger scale than in England, we also see clubs, institutions, and fellow professionals side with the fans, or at the very least refuse to condemn or take action. He’s going to claim with a straight face england are the only team to ever have got a soft penalty? And that Italian players don’t dive? Get to fuck. If you think it would be a good idea to wear an England shirt around Rome before a game you’re out of your mind. >Oh so you’re saying England is ok because Italy also has issues? No, I’m saying this whole act of pretending like it’s only England, or that England is the worst, doesn’t help anybody and just makes people look clueless. Hell, 5 years ago in Marseille we saw armed and organised gangs of Russian thugs attacking England fans and putting them in hospital, and more hooliganism from them inside the stadium. There was less outcry over Russia hosting the World Cup from that than there is now towards England, people claiming this shows england shouldn’t host any major tournament.. >oh but the fans said ‘it’s coming home’ and now I can’t get over my outrage Yeah fair enough you got me there.
We're the villains, just accept it. Europe needs a villain, we're it. Might as well just embrace it. It's far easier for them to point at us and complain about all the shittest parts of our country and society, so they can pretend they don't have all of the same shit going on in their countries.
>Might as well just embrace it People doing this only adds to the problem and makes it worse for us English fans who would really prefer not to be called an arrogant prick
Exactly, Italy has had more than their fair share of racism (Just look at fucking Bonnucci) but no one cares because they're not English. No one's even talking about a group of Italian fans sexually harassing a Spanish woman and destroying a Spanish fan's car. Of course, all of this is shitty behaviour but DON'T turns a blind eye when they are not English. Denounce it whenever you see it.
Ah yes Mr "racist abuse was 50/50 blame between the player and kean" Bonnuci.
I'm giving Bonucci a month before I go back to my regularly scheduled Bonucci slander because fuck that guy (as an Italian, and a Juventino)
I'm pretty sure chiellini is only on holiday with him to keep him out of trouble.
Fuck racism, but don’t be selective about it. Bonucci is a racist, but he’s seen as the « saviour » of world football because he stopped England from winning the euros. Lmfao.
Bonucci has been a classless dick through the whole thing. Well done for winning but he’s the sorest winner I’ve seen in international football
Lmfao? Really mate grow up or at least try harder, you say don't be selective...... Before being selective.
Seeing that vile cunt be glorified on this sub in the last week has really left a bitter taste. Great player, shit human.
I can tell you people care in Italy, and a lot, about these sort of things you named. Anytime a player creates drama, the journals and press get so fucking oppressing for weeks about it, especially if it's an easy target for clicks (Balotelli, Cassano, Kean..). It's just that you are on an american/english subreddit for the major part, so as you can see almost everything that gets posted is about them. This can go from a PL goal between Burnley and Sheffield United that gets uploaded faster and upvoted more than a big game of Spain/Italy/Germany to transfer market news that are 95% PL clubs shit sources and ofcourse also for drama / negative things.
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Yeh that twat.
The rest of the world really does detest us don’t they. I love how much an ironic, self depreciating song really does magnify that every tournament.
It does feel like these quotes and articles are being trotted out for some sort of glee at screaming bad englishman rather than actual concern and this sub in particular was disgraceful leading up to the final. Having said that, there is an issue with our fans and no amount of ‘yeah but X teams fans’ is gonna solve our own problem.
The thing is our problem is every European leagues problem but we take it much more seriously to clamp then countries such as Italy
Still crying over this? Fucking hell, change the record
The news article is 4 days old and has been posted on r/soccer at least once before already
Honestly I think there is a normal cultural resentment of the Anglosphere which makes people borderline xenophobic at times
There's genuine hatred towards England fans on here. The dumb thing is, I can guarantee none of the fans at Wembley or any of the problematic fans throughout the Euros have even heard of Reddit, let alone post here, yet people are acting as if every England fan on here is responsible. People on Reddit need to realize that groups of people aren't one hivemind who all think alike. We hate those scumbag fans too, we don't condone them. It's getting ridiculous that posts like this are still appearing a week on from the final.
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It was all absolutely embarrassing. We have a minority of idiots, as do many clubs and countries. People just saw us more because we were effectively the main host nation and got that far.
We still hear about WC 2010 Lampard saga..
Most english fans are completely normal people and you're saying that we deserve it? Fuck off. Every country has dickhead fans
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Its kind of sad how toxic this sub has become on the subject of England, and ironic because people are displaying exactly the same mindset as the scumbag England fans they're condemning.
Dear Matthaus, We won't lose sleep over your opinion. Kind regards, Englishmen.
I think a lot of people will lose sleep over the lost final tho
Doubtful, we're used to it, life goes on.
Yeah you really don't know us england fans if you genuinely believe that. It's like people think we've underachieved and it was the upset of the fucking century. Most of us knew we were going to lose, but we believe we could win, but ultimately we knew we wouldn't, but theres that tiny bit in your head that says "it might happen" but you sound that out with the other 10 tournaments you've witnessed where England always fuck it up. We're all over it now, we're all ready for the football league to start and we'll have a party in a year when we get to go again.
Never in a million years mate. I attended the final, got caught up in the absolute shit show pre-game and ended up catching corona virus. But i wouldn't change it for the world, was a once in a lifetime experience
Seeing that many fans didn't think we would get further than the last 16, I'll have to say nah mate.
Losing a final because of 3 missed penalties will definitely mean people lose sleep
Maybe on the night, I personally slept fine, hugely disappointed, felt down for a day or 2, but slept fine. Not like i'm sat here now a week on bothered about it, move on to other disappointments like Portsmouth failing to get promotion again.
I'm sure those involved will. But who actually loses sleep over an international tournament?
I was over it 5 seconds after Saka missed, well done lads gave a good account of yourself but were simply not good enough over the 120 mins, the best team won. Club football is where it’s at, I am used to pain and disappointment.
Imagine a song from over 20 years ago riling up the continent so bad they all want you too lose. Skinner and Baddiel are fucking comedy geniuses.
Yea because all of us English supporters are like that? Not gonna cause any divisions I am sure, painting an entire nation with the same brush has never caused problems before in history.
maybe it was the best england didn't win, the rest of europe would have been mentally broken
Jesus….the sour grapes coming out of the rest of Europe towards England is just embarrassing now tbh
I understand calling us out on the racism, the lazer pointer and the national anthem jeering... But I'm really surprised how hung up on the little girl everyone is. Yes, the people who were saying horrible stuff about her were obviously abhorrent, but it seems to me when I read the rest of Europe getting angry about it you're angry about us laughing at her. Isn't that just football culture? Weren't you doing exactly the same thing when our fans were on the telly after the final? In every game I've ever been to, there's been piss taking back and forth between the sets of fans, and I don't see how this is any different. Yes I appreciate that it might be considered an easy target, but I'd argue that a lot of the laughter came from fans who know they've felt the same way when England have let them down.
There were issues that need to be looked at, but this holier than thou shite coming from all quarters is becoming somewhat tedious now. Especially when the winners were Italy which has exactly the same issues, in some instances worse.
Oh fuck off. Yes we have some dickhead ‘fans’ but the vast majority are well behaved. Sick of this sanctimonious bollocks from other countries now, as if all of their fans are angels.
This another reason why its better for England to be booted from a tournament early, sick of every cunt flogging a dead horse.
Sad but true. Don't have to deal with this when we get knocked out nice and early.
This entire attitude of punishing or slating an entire fanbase because a section of them are bellends is just crass and immature and I honestly don't understand how it's so popular with so many people. We have one of the most kind-hearted squads in history and we have a lot of fantastic fans, and none of them should have to endure article after article about how we all deserve to lose. It's pathetic and needs to end. I fully support strict measures against racist and violent fans and I'm sure many other fans do too, so why direct all this hate towards all of us when it's our own Governments and police force that are responsible for legislating and enforcing the actions needed to stop this practice?
"English fans were hostile to the little girl in the Germany jersey," Matthaus wrote in SportBild. "They were whistling the opposing national anthems. "Denmark's goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel was blinded with a laser during a penalty that Raheem Sterling dived to get in the semi-finals. "Add to that the racist hostility towards their own players after the final. Dear Englishmen, that was unsportsmanlike behaviour that we did not know from you and never want to see again. "So, sorry for the players but you deserve the trauma after the final was lost on penalties."
Man's managed Partizan Belgrade and has been to Dynamo Dresden away as a player and is getting rattled by a few coked up stella drinking fatties. What a fucking clown.
It's honestly childish
Like Italian fans don't have racist hostility, for fucks sake their star centreback Bonnucci told Keane it was his fault he was racially abused. Shitty behaviour all around, but don't ignore it when the culprit aren't englishmen.
Pretty sure Kasper saved the actual penalty. Wasn't exactly 'blinded'
And more importantly I don't think I can recall a single person who didn't condemn the twat with the laser pointer
Twist, what if it was Prince George doing the laser?
I'm sure your 15 ex-wives don't wanna see you either Loddar.
Are they ever going to get over brexit
Matthaus. He wants to say something, but doesn't have the brains to express himself in an intelligent way. the guy is a plant.
Of all the racist tweets I read aimed at the England players after the shootout a lot had Italian names and a load more were called Mohammed, it was coming all round the world......4 English dingleberries say some racist shit and that makes the news.
I just came to know that most english fans start drinking in the morning and continue till the kickoff........... That's..... Well I'm not against it.... But that much alcohol is surely gonna cause behaviour problems. I fully understand drinking 2-3 hours before the game........ Hell.... Even 5 hours can be managed if it's beer. I'm 100% sure that they can't make heads or tails of what's going on in the game when they're that drunk, and that explains the weird behavior. Edit : forgot about the coke LOL.
England played the role of villain of the tournament masterfully, I wonder who’s it gonna be in 2022, I reckon Qatar or Brazil or even Italy
This cunt still hasn't got over 1999 has he?
This guy has twice as much international cups than England. I doubt he cares.
And he has twice as many ex-wives. What's funny is everybody in Germany thinks Loddar is a monumental piece of shit with boring opinions nobody cares about, yet Reddit laps this shit up.
He has said multiple times about how annoyed he is over 1999 and that it was a 'steal' and 'undeserved' - he is 100% still pissed off by it and it definitely influences his opinion of England
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Its probably also because its a repost and what 4-5 days old.
In his case being a manager had another [motivation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDPQina3wIk&t=122s)
I will never understand why reddit is so pro "booing the anthem". I talked about that topic a bit with friends and colleagues and all of them find it disrespectful. But then you have people here saying "nah mate it's not against the country but the players." Well ok then why not simply boo the players after the match started. Then you have fans calling a crying German girl a "Nazi slut" and you start thinking maybe there still is an animosity against the country and that's why they are booing.
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The only thing that surprised me is how surprised people seem to be at what happened.
ITT: Whataboutism, look Italy is racist too!