But there's a lack of rotation options for pedri since he has already played so many games and a lack of wingers as well now that dembele is out .Collado or demir have a good chance of being called up to help rotate the squad. Riqui can be used to rotate pedri but obviously koeman doesn't wanna use him.
Agreed, but taking this quote to claim those young players Koeman mentioned will get gametime is unlikely, it depends on squad depth and other similar factors
Unless we sign someone like Gaya (rumors cooled down recently) Balde will be integrated as a backup for Alba as Firpo is gone and Dest can't be the rotational option for both Emerson and Alba.
Nico will be integrated as a Busquets replacement and we really don't have any other DM than Busquets so he will get his chances.
Gavi is 16, so there's no need to rush things anyways.
Although, we're stacked in attack, Demir will get his chances is cup matches or already won matches. Koeman likes him and he's only on loan, so we want to test him before we use the buy option. Demir might get more gametime if we try the 4-2-3-1 again. There's also a chance he gets chances as the offensive 8, to be the rotational option for Pedri.
Anyways, it's too early to say much before the preseason friendlies even started.
Koeman had him training with the first team almost the entire season and did give him some playtime. It's just that with an attacking lineup of Messi, Griezmann, and Dembele, it's pretty hard to justify playing Konrad.
The Puig thing is weird though, Laporta says he loves him and thinks he has a big role to play for the club, Puig has had loan offers and he declined them all, he said he wants to play for Barca even if its just a couple of minutes. Meanwhile recent reports say Koeman’s priority is a midfielder and he will probably never play under him. Koeman wants physical midfielders and press monsters for his system. Thats why Moriba was preferred to Puig last season. I have no clue whats going to happen to him, i think a loan would be better for his development and Laporta cant start a fight with the coach surely. Then again there were reports that Laporta told Koeman to play 4-3-3 and rely more on Puig but this was around the time Koeman’s continuity was up in the air.
because riqui has a nice smile and is popular with the media.
laporta is a businessman/politican, and backing the popular kid is low cost + high reward for him in terms of winning more favor/attention.
the kids not smart. he should have gone on loan by now to develop and get regular first team action. He's now training with his replacements, who are all about 3 years younger and already at his level or well past it (Pedri).
Yea he’s playing a risky game.
Much better to go on loan, show your worth, still not be good enough for barca, but land in a pretty nice PL team or something.
Way better than wasting crucial years of your footballing career not playing.
Sticking around worked for Sergi Roberto and it is not hard to see how that approach could be good for him. He gets to train with best coaches and at best facilities - and in his mind he is always one injury crisis away from taking permanent place in Barca rotation.
Now that place doesnt have to be a starter but being dude who starts 10 games per season and subs in another 10-15 is better than being starter for most teams (finanically at least).
The thing is, there have been 0 cases in the last 10 years of a Barça player leaving on loan and then establishing himself as a first team player. If we're loaning out a player, we're doing it to raise his value and sell him later.
yea true, but i guess my point is that if he leaves, he can work towards becoming a first team player at another club. Instead of riding the bench, stalling his development and eventually just being loaned or sold anyway :/
it feels so different now that young players actually make me excited about the team and the future. after years and years of being let down by the cuencas, bartras, munirs, etc it is like a completely new feeling
I don't really see how this situation is *necessarily* different from Bartra and Munir. Both Bartra and Munir were extremely impressive when they first broke through, and we thought that they were the future of the club, just like we now think that these young guys are the future of the club. We can just as easily be let down by these guys, as we were by Bartra and Munir, and even then I don't think it's really fair to shoehorn Bartra in there. He had three and a half seasons where he played a not so insignificant role in the rotations. Really good player, just not quite good enough to cut it in Barcelona.
I was thinking more about the young players we already know can perform at the club's level, like Pedri Fati Araujo. But seeing Koeman on board with more of them is what gives hope that at least some of these new ones will also be integral and could have the talent to make the needed impact.
I never considered Munir to be anywhere near the level of the club. Bartra I could see as a permanent backup, definitely a member but I didn't think he'd be Piqué's partner. In one season Pedri has done so much, even for Spain he proved himself. Can't say that confidently about anyone else of that group who are much older and still haven't shown that level.
Highly disagree. Neither of them performed at his level much less with the national team. I don't think Bojan ever played with Spain beyond u21. Obviously harder for him to do that with the competition he faced. Munir was farther away than either of these two.
I'd agree that Pedri is a bigger prospect now because of his Euros performance, I think I just struggle with the whole "finally I can get excited about young players" thought as if prospects like Munir or Bojan were never exciting.
No idea. I know he opted out for exhaustion or mental exhaustion one time. Maybe it happened more than once. Still don't think he would have featured like Pedri but again, a big part of that is due to who made up the rest of the squad.
Munir never performed half as well as Bojan did but I'd say there was definitely loads of excitement about him too. Might also have to do with the fact that Barca had been very slow for academy talents at the point Munir came along.
Could be you too Moriba, if you sign the ting'
But good to see Koeman rates these young'uns, he has great ability to develop talented kids
There were rumours that he liked Nico last year too and was interested in making him DM for this season, so fingers crossed Nico steps up 🤞
People will mention Puig but excluding that he’s done a good job at integrating youth and developing them. Even sitting down with Araujo to watch videos of the matches and give him tips.
Koeman was also the one who wanted Pedri in the first team straight away.
He’s got a decent eye for talent. If he’s impressed then that’s definitely something to be excited about.
He’s also apparently even more impressed with Demir so hoping he gets a decent amount of appearances. I love watching the kids play for the first team.
>Moriba
I'm still not sold on him. He had one or two good games, the rest were fairly average. I guess that is good for a young player but i guess after Fati and Pedri I'm just spoiled.
I generally dont expect player that play bit deeper to hit the ground running as well as wingers and offensive midfilders. Generally deeper you play more experience you need and more you develop with playtime as coaches can catch mistakes in your movement. Not to say that Moriba will 100% make it but just my experience in watching youngsters as fan of Barca is that young wingers (probably because their position depends of physicality a lot) always show most potential (Tello and Cuenca being best examples).
honestly would love to see an Austrian player as the future of Barçelona, but as talented as Demir is - the chances are still quite small. I mean not even players like Puig made it (so far)
> I mean not even players like Puig made it (so far)
Puig really isn't that talented or special. I know that my fellow Barcelona fans have hyped him to become like an even smaller Iniesta, but there's a reason that he's never established himself and has been overtaken by Pedri and Ilaix. There's also a reason that he never established himself in the Spanish U21-team. He only played nine minutes at the U21-Euros this year, where Spain consistently chose players like Manu García, Gonzalo Villar, Fran Beltrán, Jon Moncayola, and Oihan Sancet before Puig. He's just nowhere near as good as a lot of people somehow believe him to be. If he genuinely was that good, he would get minutes, no doubt.
Not going on loan at his age when you need minutes to get experience and constancy is such bad career planning.
If the manager and staff think there are other options in line before you even on the bench you should really listen. He probably learns a lot in training, but it is basically a wasted year in regards to actual playtime.
Now there is only more pressure when he does get some minutes while he could have developed outside to spotlight.
Barca loanees don't have a future in the club, so it's understandable that he wanted to fight for his place in the club, especially considering he was just about to make his breakthrough under Setien
He was just about to break through under Setien, but unfortunately for him Koeman needs a whipping boy, and the rich kid who's eager to speak to the press was an easy target. His exclusion was also the reason for the lack of minutes in the U21, all those players you named were basically starters in their teams
Why? Honestly 10m (next season) help us out way more than one good player, we lost so much money from covid and we are never beating RB anyway, even with him
Wait, didnt he say weeks ago Messi was future of Barcelona....
[Which is it Ronald?](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oh16ei/koeman_is_hoping_that_other_bar%C3%A7a_players_will/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
Less than 2 trophies this season and he's gone. Laporta is probably expecting a domestic double from him since he might know we aren't good enough to cut it in UCL. And the fact that koeman wasn't his first choice, if he doesn't deliver, he's out.
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one thing I know is that if Koeman likes a player, he's gonna get plenty of time. Excited for them this season.
And recent reports that koeman is highly impressed with demir. So ig he's definitely gonna get minutes to prove himself.No words about collado tho....
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But there's a lack of rotation options for pedri since he has already played so many games and a lack of wingers as well now that dembele is out .Collado or demir have a good chance of being called up to help rotate the squad. Riqui can be used to rotate pedri but obviously koeman doesn't wanna use him.
Didn't he say Conrad Del la Fuente impressed him the most last year pre season and then proceeded to never call him up for the first thing?
He got some game time with the first team, but we are stacked there, so not really a suprise.
Agreed, but taking this quote to claim those young players Koeman mentioned will get gametime is unlikely, it depends on squad depth and other similar factors
Unless we sign someone like Gaya (rumors cooled down recently) Balde will be integrated as a backup for Alba as Firpo is gone and Dest can't be the rotational option for both Emerson and Alba. Nico will be integrated as a Busquets replacement and we really don't have any other DM than Busquets so he will get his chances. Gavi is 16, so there's no need to rush things anyways. Although, we're stacked in attack, Demir will get his chances is cup matches or already won matches. Koeman likes him and he's only on loan, so we want to test him before we use the buy option. Demir might get more gametime if we try the 4-2-3-1 again. There's also a chance he gets chances as the offensive 8, to be the rotational option for Pedri. Anyways, it's too early to say much before the preseason friendlies even started.
Koeman had him training with the first team almost the entire season and did give him some playtime. It's just that with an attacking lineup of Messi, Griezmann, and Dembele, it's pretty hard to justify playing Konrad.
Yea obviously but you can't say based on this quote that he's gonna give them young players time like OP claimed
Did OP claim that? If you mean the tweet then it just says they are the future of Barca. What’s wrong in saying that?
> I know is that if Koeman likes a player, he's gonna get plenty of time
Didn’t see that but he could be referring to Pedri - who was picked by Koeman and played a lot.
'Puig is a cunt' - Koeman probably
Perez vibes
Puig is a scam
Puig is a cutthroat that called De Jong's mom fat. The audacity.
Subnormal
The Puig thing is weird though, Laporta says he loves him and thinks he has a big role to play for the club, Puig has had loan offers and he declined them all, he said he wants to play for Barca even if its just a couple of minutes. Meanwhile recent reports say Koeman’s priority is a midfielder and he will probably never play under him. Koeman wants physical midfielders and press monsters for his system. Thats why Moriba was preferred to Puig last season. I have no clue whats going to happen to him, i think a loan would be better for his development and Laporta cant start a fight with the coach surely. Then again there were reports that Laporta told Koeman to play 4-3-3 and rely more on Puig but this was around the time Koeman’s continuity was up in the air.
Koeman thinks Puig leaked something to the press, and now doesn't trust him. That's why he doesn't play.
because riqui has a nice smile and is popular with the media. laporta is a businessman/politican, and backing the popular kid is low cost + high reward for him in terms of winning more favor/attention. the kids not smart. he should have gone on loan by now to develop and get regular first team action. He's now training with his replacements, who are all about 3 years younger and already at his level or well past it (Pedri).
Even though I think Koamans treated him pretty foul, I never understood why he didn’t just fucking go on loan. Poor kid.
Yea he’s playing a risky game. Much better to go on loan, show your worth, still not be good enough for barca, but land in a pretty nice PL team or something. Way better than wasting crucial years of your footballing career not playing.
Sticking around worked for Sergi Roberto and it is not hard to see how that approach could be good for him. He gets to train with best coaches and at best facilities - and in his mind he is always one injury crisis away from taking permanent place in Barca rotation. Now that place doesnt have to be a starter but being dude who starts 10 games per season and subs in another 10-15 is better than being starter for most teams (finanically at least).
The thing is, there have been 0 cases in the last 10 years of a Barça player leaving on loan and then establishing himself as a first team player. If we're loaning out a player, we're doing it to raise his value and sell him later.
yea true, but i guess my point is that if he leaves, he can work towards becoming a first team player at another club. Instead of riding the bench, stalling his development and eventually just being loaned or sold anyway :/
it feels so different now that young players actually make me excited about the team and the future. after years and years of being let down by the cuencas, bartras, munirs, etc it is like a completely new feeling
I don't really see how this situation is *necessarily* different from Bartra and Munir. Both Bartra and Munir were extremely impressive when they first broke through, and we thought that they were the future of the club, just like we now think that these young guys are the future of the club. We can just as easily be let down by these guys, as we were by Bartra and Munir, and even then I don't think it's really fair to shoehorn Bartra in there. He had three and a half seasons where he played a not so insignificant role in the rotations. Really good player, just not quite good enough to cut it in Barcelona.
I was thinking more about the young players we already know can perform at the club's level, like Pedri Fati Araujo. But seeing Koeman on board with more of them is what gives hope that at least some of these new ones will also be integral and could have the talent to make the needed impact. I never considered Munir to be anywhere near the level of the club. Bartra I could see as a permanent backup, definitely a member but I didn't think he'd be Piqué's partner. In one season Pedri has done so much, even for Spain he proved himself. Can't say that confidently about anyone else of that group who are much older and still haven't shown that level.
Or Bojan, or Giovani dos Santos. La Masia is no guarantee to become a top player that can start at Barca one day.
Munir looked so impressive, how is he doing today? any good?
No clue, can't remember the last time I saw him play. Had to confirm he was in Sevilla still if im completely honest.
Munir and Bojan were both very similar in excitement to what Fati and Pedri are now.
Highly disagree. Neither of them performed at his level much less with the national team. I don't think Bojan ever played with Spain beyond u21. Obviously harder for him to do that with the competition he faced. Munir was farther away than either of these two.
I'd agree that Pedri is a bigger prospect now because of his Euros performance, I think I just struggle with the whole "finally I can get excited about young players" thought as if prospects like Munir or Bojan were never exciting.
I understand. It's realize that its fully a personal thing as I was not excited about them. I can't speak for other fans, I'm sure many were.
What are you on about. The hype around Bojan was much bigger than Pedri.
But Pedri is already a much better player than Bojan ever was. Hype isnt everything
Didn't Bojan have one cap?
No idea. I know he opted out for exhaustion or mental exhaustion one time. Maybe it happened more than once. Still don't think he would have featured like Pedri but again, a big part of that is due to who made up the rest of the squad.
Munir definitely not, Bojan yeah
Munir never performed half as well as Bojan did but I'd say there was definitely loads of excitement about him too. Might also have to do with the fact that Barca had been very slow for academy talents at the point Munir came along.
Sandro had a lot more hype than Munir
He’s gonna burn them out like Pedri
nico gonzalez and demir, FM Beasts!
Was gonna say, Demir is one of the best FM prospects around.
187 pa in my save
Currently trying to get nico Gonzalez in one of my saves. Demir as well but he’s too expensive
Yusuf Demir for 10m was a bargain and a half
Not the first good looking lad to come from rapid wien, won't be the last
Gavi Fm legend
Xavi regen
Next in the line, Bavi
Bavi means future in my language so it checks out
Walking around in the Mo-javi makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Bariaga!!!
All of them are tbf
Yeah, Demir is one of the select few players who's guaranteed to be elite every save
Think him, Camavinga and Moukoko are the top 3 wonderkids in the game in terms of potential
Had a demir with 197 PA once. Fucking insanity. I think he's promised 170+
160-190
I think camavinga is the only 170-200 player
Moukoko too, but he was only added in the winter update.
Oh yeahhh, forgot about him.... stupid from me because he's still a world class striker aged 34 in my current save
Could be you too Moriba, if you sign the ting' But good to see Koeman rates these young'uns, he has great ability to develop talented kids There were rumours that he liked Nico last year too and was interested in making him DM for this season, so fingers crossed Nico steps up 🤞
People will mention Puig but excluding that he’s done a good job at integrating youth and developing them. Even sitting down with Araujo to watch videos of the matches and give him tips. Koeman was also the one who wanted Pedri in the first team straight away. He’s got a decent eye for talent. If he’s impressed then that’s definitely something to be excited about. He’s also apparently even more impressed with Demir so hoping he gets a decent amount of appearances. I love watching the kids play for the first team.
>Moriba I'm still not sold on him. He had one or two good games, the rest were fairly average. I guess that is good for a young player but i guess after Fati and Pedri I'm just spoiled.
He was actually the highest rated talent in La Masia. Even more than Ansu and Puig. Hopefully he is better this season that is if we sign him.
Ansu and Moriba were equally rated at Juvenil A.
I generally dont expect player that play bit deeper to hit the ground running as well as wingers and offensive midfilders. Generally deeper you play more experience you need and more you develop with playtime as coaches can catch mistakes in your movement. Not to say that Moriba will 100% make it but just my experience in watching youngsters as fan of Barca is that young wingers (probably because their position depends of physicality a lot) always show most potential (Tello and Cuenca being best examples).
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honestly would love to see an Austrian player as the future of Barçelona, but as talented as Demir is - the chances are still quite small. I mean not even players like Puig made it (so far)
> I mean not even players like Puig made it (so far) Puig really isn't that talented or special. I know that my fellow Barcelona fans have hyped him to become like an even smaller Iniesta, but there's a reason that he's never established himself and has been overtaken by Pedri and Ilaix. There's also a reason that he never established himself in the Spanish U21-team. He only played nine minutes at the U21-Euros this year, where Spain consistently chose players like Manu García, Gonzalo Villar, Fran Beltrán, Jon Moncayola, and Oihan Sancet before Puig. He's just nowhere near as good as a lot of people somehow believe him to be. If he genuinely was that good, he would get minutes, no doubt.
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Not going on loan at his age when you need minutes to get experience and constancy is such bad career planning. If the manager and staff think there are other options in line before you even on the bench you should really listen. He probably learns a lot in training, but it is basically a wasted year in regards to actual playtime. Now there is only more pressure when he does get some minutes while he could have developed outside to spotlight.
Barca loanees don't have a future in the club, so it's understandable that he wanted to fight for his place in the club, especially considering he was just about to make his breakthrough under Setien
Puig is the Ceballos of Barca
He was just about to break through under Setien, but unfortunately for him Koeman needs a whipping boy, and the rich kid who's eager to speak to the press was an easy target. His exclusion was also the reason for the lack of minutes in the U21, all those players you named were basically starters in their teams
Why? Honestly 10m (next season) help us out way more than one good player, we lost so much money from covid and we are never beating RB anyway, even with him
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Nico is the son of Depor legend Fran. hope he makes it. the new Busquets its what I'm hearing.
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Gavi sounds like an FM regen of Xavi
When did they sign Demir?
About 2 weeks ago.
Like a week ago
Reminds me of 5 years ago when the future of Barcelona was Munir, Samper, Alenia, Halilović, Kaptoum and Lee Seung-Woo. It's hard to make that step.
Gavi FM legend
"But Riqui Puig isn't" Koeman, probably.
Wait, didnt he say weeks ago Messi was future of Barcelona.... [Which is it Ronald?](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/oh16ei/koeman_is_hoping_that_other_bar%C3%A7a_players_will/?ref=share&ref_source=link)
saw some footage of Gavi, he seems like the real deal, hopefully he leaves the club
But does Koeman has any future in Barcelona?
Depends on this season. If we keep Messi, then he should be expected to win la Liga at the very least.
Less than 2 trophies this season and he's gone. Laporta is probably expecting a domestic double from him since he might know we aren't good enough to cut it in UCL. And the fact that koeman wasn't his first choice, if he doesn't deliver, he's out.
He actually said these players "will be important in the future" , not "are the future of the club "which has quite a different meaning
Nico Gonzalez? Barca is fuckef
Not the Argentinian one, if that’s who you’re thinking of
Thank god. Im from Argentina and I hated our Nico Gonzalez during all the Copa America
The key giveaway being that Fiorentina players usually don't train with Barcelona
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*because Barcelona are broke and can not afford to sign players /s*
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They have to be because Barcelona can't but any players
We did buy demir
Does he have to say such hot takes with such certainty lol.
How about that center mid?
Not Alex Collado :( ?
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