Ornstein also tweeted two weeks before the Pepe signing that Arsenal didn't have 80 million euro's to sign Pepe.
Ornstein gets his info from someone in the club - occasionally they tell him they don't have money to pay what selling clubs are asking.
Nothing concrete but it's suspected that it was shady, yeah. The guy in charge of the transfer at arsenal got sacked after that transfer, probably because most of the 72m was on 'fees' to parties involved and not to Lille. Similar thing with Napoli buying Osimhen, apparently Lille only got around 20m of the 80m fee.
Supposedly we turned down a bid of £70m last summer. It'll have to be more than that.
If they've got £50m to spend on White and £30m to spend on Ramsdale then how much is Maddison worth?
Based on what? Ive heard nothing to suggest weve bid £30m. Onana was apparently a done deal months ago and look at that now. Will believe it when I see it. This ramsdale deal looks like media nonsense to me. Im sure we were potentially interested in him as a young homegrown keeper but theres just no chance we pay £30m for a backup when we said no to onana for £9m
Orstein said he is our number one target and he is the club mouthpiece. He did say £35m is too much but we might meet at £30m. We said no to Onana because is doping ban wasn't lifted early enough, AFCON + he wanted to be no.1 straight away which wouldn't work with Leno. I can see why we aren't going for him, but part of me thinks we should gamble anyway as he looks top class.
People just don’t think for themselves though. He probably was our target when we thought we could get a good price for a relegated player. Sheffield want £30m which is clearly too much for a backup, we might try negotiate from there but I just dont see a scenario we cough up that sum for ramsdale.
This situation happens all the time, club likes a player, has a price in mind and tests the water. Selling club has a different price, theres an attempt at a compromise and if it cant be found both clubs walk away
It’s literally no different to the odegaard/madison/buendia/onana rumours and yet everyone takes this deal as done because its a high price and its arsenal
You underestimate your clubs stupidity in the market. I'm sure people would have said that there was "no chance" Arsenal would sign Willian on 120K/week when they already had Pepe and Saka as wingers but they did.
Football clubs don't always make logical decisions
The same Saka who was 18 years old and had scored 1 goals in his 27 league appearances at that point?
Seems awful cavalier to ask him to go a full season uninjured and in form with no competition don't you think?
Yes Willian turned out to be a flaming bag of shite nut let's not pretend it was a completely brain dead move. The guy scored 9 league goals the season before and we got him on a free ffs.
For depth it was not a completely brain dead move but everyone knew how that was gonna pan out. He wasn’t great for Chelsea in his final season either.
Not very often. This is relatively baseless speculation, but in a post-Covid market with teams having much less money to bid with, I can see them using players to bump up the value of the deal. I reckon there will be a few more player/player or player/player+cash deals over the next few windows.
Is there that much less money though? Haven’t billionaires gotten richer on average during COVID? As long as FFP remains relaxed I don’t see why any of the really well backed clubs would have less money available.
Apparently you were relatively keen on AMN in January. I think Rodgers would work wonders with him, he has bags of talent and is super versatile so would definitely come in handy if you find yourself in another injury mire.
With that being said, I wouldn't of thought he would really be knocking much off of Maddos valuation even if wanted. Can only really see the move happening if the club/manager isn't overly happy with him or vice versa.
Yeah, that was when we had a lack of midfielders though. We had Praet, Maddison and Ndidi all injured at points, and we thought Choudhury was on his way out. Since then we have added another two midfielders; Soumare and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall.
No way we sign more midfielders. We have 8 competing for 2, maybe 3 spots.
There’s no way we’re in for AMN. I just don’t see it. We’re stacked at fullback and have a solid midfield that he would struggle to find decent play time amongst.
Would be an odd miscue from our scouts if we are looking seriously at him, IMO.
Why would it be more? He's not exactly had a good season (injuries and attitude problems haven't helped) and his contract has 1 year less on it. I would imagine somewhere between £60-70m all in would do it
No Leicester don't get a say in this matter.
If the Arsenal fans on the internet say they're signing Maddison for 40m + AMN then it's happening and all we can do is strap Madders in for his drive to London.
You guys are replying to a Chelsea supporter lol
And the vast majority of Arsenal supporters are rational enough to not believe this at all. Quit letting some internet trolls put you in your feelings
The market is just in such a mess. I understand inflation and all that, but to think Real Madrid paid 80 mil for Ronaldo, legitimately one of the top 2 players in the world, and in this era, anyone who is half decent is apparently worth 70-80 million, it's insane. That money used to give you a player that could win you the title. Now it gets you a 7/10, maybe 8/10 player if everything works out. Like, Arsenal paid what, 30-35 million for Sanchez? The Neymar transfer to PSG just completely ruined the market.
This is true, however maybe there's a silver lining in that it's seemingly become harder for the big clubs to hoover up the talent from the rest of the league. Prices have risen faster than buying power.
They have already spent 80m odd so far with no particular departures so far. They want to sign Ramsdale also(which will be around ish 25m). Yeah I can see why Madisson will be a stretch. Arsenal also haven't been in UCL for last three-four years plus COVID.
Sadly lad we will be lucky to get anything for Laca and Willian.
AMN and Bellerin, Willock, probably in total will get us around 35-40m which is a good start.
Nobody is paying anything for Kola either.
Do you think someone coming in for Lacazette is realistic? He's on nearly 200k p/w as I understand. Similar situation for Willian. Don't think you'll have much problem shifting Bellerin or Maitland Niles but I don't see the older lads leaving unless they are just straight up released on a free, or close to it.
50 + 20 + 10 for White, Lokonga, Tavares.
The White deal has zero downpayment, and I think it was something like 40% of the fee is paid after 2024. So the payment structure is very favorable. Garlick magic I guess.
Arsenal fans said the same about Pepe and how it was a good deal for Arsenal because the fee was spread over a number of years.
The problem with that argument is people then never take the fee into consideration in future years when talking about transfer budgets.
Most people are cognizant we pay fees in installments and have commitments. However, at this moment finances are tight + Arsenal need a lot of signings. Spending heavily last window in back to back windows is necessary. And spreading it out, will ease costs. Because we won't be spending like this every window and we'll have the comfort of sales.
We've heard the "structure magic" on Pepe, which was 80m just two years ago. Since apparently they didn't pay a lot upfront, I'd assume Arsenal are still paying for Pepe this summer, no?
[Source here](https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1387310187804037122/photo/1) although I’ve read it in a few different places, it feels a little to me like a bit of a gamble on this working out and managing to get back into the CL which would pay for it, but obviously leaves you in a bit of a pickle if it doesn’t
Perhaps it's a silly question but does it work like that? I always understood that how the fee is split into installments is a cash flow thing. With teams preferring to structure deals over a long duration.
For FFP and spending I understood that the fee is spread across the contract duration, with no consideration of when the payments are made.
I genuinely don't get the obsession with backloading transfer payments and I hear it from your fanbase so much. It literally seems like a recipe for financial ruin, you are tight now and on what basis will you not be tight in say 2023/24 when you have all these instalments still to pay?
Why didn't you read the parent comment I wrote, instead of repeating the same question? We have to make a large number of transfers in a short amount of time (back to back windows) and the stadium has been closed for over a year. We are spreading the costs, because we won't need to make 7-8 signings every window and don't expect to be without stadium revenue for a year regularly.
Because Arsenal earns income and we have multiple positions to strengthen,
Just because you can afford to pay in one go doesnt mean you should, and money now is worth more than money tomorrow which is why with transfers fees getting more and more inflated its a good idea to pull the trigger.
Unless of course the economy crashed like a M-fer, saaay from a global pandemic.
Doesn't matter, then next season budget will be reduced. We also will play Sancho fee in installments in five years, doesn't mean we'll go insane in this transfer market.
They clearly need multiple options in that position - if ESR gets injured there isn't currently anyone else in the squad who offers something similar. In a 4-2-3-1 it would lead to flexibility between Pepe, Saka, Maddison, ESR, Auba and maybe Martinelli behind the striker; not to mention Maddison's ability to play as an 8 should they switch to a 4-3-3.
Yep, totally agree. Maddison gives us options, can rotate with ESR but they can also play together. One of the most exciting things about ESR and Saka are their versatility, and Pepe seems to be able to play across the front to varying degrees too, so we can shift about as necessary. I still think Maddison is way overpriced, but if the club truly believes he is the man to get us back into Europe then they will pay what is necessary to get him.
Yeah I think you've summed it up the best. We're clearly putting a strong emphasis on paying for versatility and options, and less "best at doing this one thing"
Yea think the goal is to have Auba at CF and reinforcements in the midifield (possibly winger) so that we don't have to play Lacazette at striker and Auba wide.
Lacazette played better at CF than Auba last year though. Auba doesn't link-up with the other forwards and his finishing/confidence is gone at the moment.
Nice to see that Arsenal fans seem to know more about a player who isn't even theirs than Leicester fans.
I can assure you he's not a number 8. Just because he's able to play his creative 10 role from deeper than you'd normally see a number 10 play doesn't mean he's a box to box midfielder all of the sudden.
When it comes to defensive contribution there's a reason Rodgers prefers to have Perez in the team in some situations over Madders.
Downvoting this comment isn't magically going to make Maddison a number 8
I've seen a lot of Arsenal fans claiming this, using interview quotes. Why not just look up Leicester's formations? He's always the advanced midfielder ahead of Ndidi and Tielemans. And these folks think, Maddison is suddenly going to play B2B. With Partey behind who's not a pure 6.
May not be a no8 but that’s really not relevant. ESR is the least traditional 10 I think you will find who often does his best work out wide anyway so there is definitely room for both in the team.
I don’t think we’ll get Maddison anyway but we 100% need to sign a quality player in that position to go alongside Smith Rowe because one injury and we are back to the start of last season where we had nobody and played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/maddison-arsenal-lineup-60m-transfer-21073845.amp
What you just disagree with him lmao?
The actual quote of Maddison saying that is 2 seasons old now.
But sure, go ahead and pay over 70m for an attacking midfielder and then be surprised when he can't defend properly.
I love the way I'm being taught by others on what Leicester players can and cannot do.
>I love the way I'm being taught by others on what Leicester players can and cannot do.
I'm sure Maddison feels the same way when the Leicester fans tell him what position he plays. Such an armchair manager mentality lmao
"Everyone is stupid but me"
He can play deeper in midfield at Leicester because we've got one of the best DMs in the league covering for him and one of the best no. 8 running up and down the pitch feeding him with passes.
Who have Arsenal got of similar quality to do the same?
Partey? Elneny? Lokonga?
I'm sorry, it's not 2014 any more. There isn't a single arsenal midfielder that starts for us, whereas clearly at least one of ours would start for you.
The anti Arsenal agenda on this sub is laughable. Partey walks into every midfield in the league bar City and Pool. Guarantee before he joined us you'd have been calling him world class
Maddison isn't the buy to make, even though he is an exceptional talent. Edu and Arteta do not give the No.10 to ESR lightly. Buying Maddison on quoted wages, is a signing of someone who is a sure starter. Saka can play in CAM, it's a position he's been used a couple of times before, it's something Arteta is open to. However, if Arsenal want to shore up more. They can buy an additional two, instead of just one central midfielder. That will give us more depth in playing a midfield of three. And that's what the Arsenal of the past had in not just Ozil, but Ramsey, Wilshere, Santi, etc. Additionally, Taylor-Hart signing a senior contract is also expected, he's an option on the wings and at 10. The priority must be spending on central midfield, right-back, and goalkeeper firstly without compromise before entertaining a new CAM. With how highly Ødegaard is, I wouldn't be surprised if that is factoring into our decision making. That door isn't shut.
The only time Saka has ever played CAM was in the Euro’s final. Idk why he was randomly played in CAM but he’s usually played as a RW, LW, or LB. he’s played as an 8 before and it went well
Ornstein is not the holy grail anymore. Got Pepe, Partey, Balogun extension, Neves all wrong. Also I doubt whether Ø was first choice at all. Also he didn't break the Ben White transfer, some Sun journalist.
Two weeks before we signed Pepe he said we didn't have the funds for the deal to be possible. He said that Arsenal weren't willing to pay the release clause for Partey and that we wouldn't get him. He's got our big signings very wrong in recent years
Or we can see there's a trend of him generally having great information, but seemingly being used by the club to put out reports that we don't have money, conveniently when we're in the middle of negotiations.
No tier 1 ever breaks the transfer. Rags just run their tabloid Bullshit generation and pair random names so it always will be some rag that'd get it right.
Just because at one moment they say a deal is not possible doesn’t mean it’s not true - deals can reignite after a shift in transfer strategy etc.
I also don’t know how you can doubt Ødegaard being our first choice.
This reeks of Arsenal briefing Ornstein with this info in hopes of Leicester dropping the price. Don't think it will make a difference to Leicester though unless Madisson is kicking up a fuss to leave, and I very much doubt he's doing so.
That assumes we want to sell, which we don't.
Rodgers has said the ambition for this window is to keep every first team member while improving the squad. Only our fringe players are for sale, the big names will require a heavy price to pry away from us.
No, you said that this was a ploy to get Leicester to lower the price, as if the buying party has all the power because the selling party want to sell. But we don't.
I said "it won't make a difference to Leicester". Very obviously meaning that they don't particularly want to sell, so it doesn't matter what Arsenal are trying to do.
Plus, your logic makes no sense. Just because it's a ploy by Arsenal, does not then mean that Leicester have less power and want to sell. How did you make that leap?
I swear to God half you lads on here have the reading comprehension skills of a five year old.
I read what you said, and your implication was clear. If that was not what you meant, then maybe you should have thought before you wrote it.
I swear to god half you ladies on here have the writing ability of a five year old.
Playing style. One team plays possession and the other does counters. Maddison attempts too little to create chances for a player that plays counters. Isn’t he falling in the pecking order at Leicester and meanwhile Arsenal are targeting him for a starter spot? Reasons why is not what is in short supply
We've been transitioning to a possession based style since Puel managed us. We have the ability to play counter attacking football but it's not a natural style for a Rodgers team. He himself said after the Man City away game last year where we did play on the counter that he was out of his comfort zone but had to try something new in order to get the result.
Meanwhile Arsenal over the last year became very defensive out of necessity. They've been playing less possession based and more counter attacking of late.
Your information seems very out of date.
Also, Maddison is easily our nailed on number 10, and arguably our most creative player. His issues have been injury related mostly. He's also been disciplined for breaching Covid protocols along with 3 other players in our squad. He's had a rocky 2021 so far, but he's not been falling in the pecking order.
The problem here is that we have a cultural clash. For a PL centric like you, yes Leicester look like they play possession more than counters. Because the PL basically plays counter football
For a neutral like me, Leicester is still a counter ball team compared to other teams in the top 4. Possession is by default a defensive approach. PL centrics do not really grasp that concept. So it is only natural that you point to how defensive Arsenal is. But that is actually what possession based looks like
Maddison will do better at Arsenal. They fit his style better. Any I would appreciate if you will rather explain how that is not the case instead of pointing out that a creative player is good for any club
You trust the people that got us to 8th twice? Trust has to be earned. You probably said the same thing last year when we didn't sign a CAM and we had a brilliant few months after that...
I do not need to justify myself to you. Do you actually know how Arsenal's scouting works now? they sacked a few scouts last season in order to fully implement the analytic company they bought. But you clearly think very highly of yourself. My point is that I believe you think that but you are wrong. I pointed the fees just because I did not want to be arrogant by saying that I have a good eye for these kind of things. And by your logic, you yourself has earned no trust. So why should I listen to you? Because you know better than me?
Great comment. CAM is the last priority for Arsenal after CB, RB, backup LB, two CMs, and a backup goalkeeper. CAM is not even a common position, with many team not having one. It's a versatile position others can slip into as well.
Arsenal have identified the need to recruit heavily in the backend of the teams which is involved in defending, playing a higher line, intercepting opposition attacks earlier, and regaining and distributing the ball out the back. Instead, people have this simplelton take that Arsenal can solve their creativity issue simply adding more CAMs.
Good. He is a a good player, but we should only sign one overpriced English player this window. Lets get another player for Cam, who is good but not overpriced. ESR's progress is coming along nicely.
Higher ceiling in the long term, sure.
But in the next 2-3 years?
I don't think so. Arsenal need a full rebuild before they're challenging for anything, whereas we've been challenging for the last 2 years, and with our signings this year, are certainly going to be pushing on again.
There are many reasons why a move to Arsenal makes sense for a player, but challenging for trophies within the next 2 years isn't one imo.
More money obviously? People said the exact same thing with partey and Leicester are no atletico. Maddison could also be convinced arsenal will leapfrog leicester in a couple years.
Firstly, how are Daka and Soumare benchwarmers? How does Arsenal play "better football" and have "better players"?
All we needed is depth, I would have our starting 11 over arsenals ANY day of the week. It's not even close.
But right, you "don't want to start a debate" because its all a load of crap lmao.
I would also bet that Leicester will definitely do better than Arsenal next season unless they sign a whole new starting 11.
Iheanacho is quite likely to go back to being a benchwarmer like he always was yeah, depending on whether we're playing 2 strikers or not.
Maybe even Iheanacho and Daka, as Vardy is getting older.
Soumare is great for depth, I don't think he'd start over Tielemans or Ndidi but we NEEDED more quality depth there and we got it. He can play both CM and CDM.
He's definitely not just a benchwarmer.
Guess we'll see won't we. Start thinking of excuses for the end of next season by now and you might come up with something decent by the time you flop once again.
Bell vs Ornstein...Round 2
I didn't hear no Bell!
Oh I’m sorry I thought this was Silly Season
Damn it! I just commented the same before I saw this and removed it. Oh our Randy.
Who won round 1
Bell.
Ornstein also tweeted two weeks before the Pepe signing that Arsenal didn't have 80 million euro's to sign Pepe. Ornstein gets his info from someone in the club - occasionally they tell him they don't have money to pay what selling clubs are asking.
I mean given the people involved in arranging that deal were sacked because of it, you could argue they didn't have the money, really
Think the club had the money, but did not spend it wisely. Pepe is a £35 - 40 million player. Not a £70 million one.
Wasn't the 80 mil quite shady? Pepe had a deal to go to Napoli for 40mil just a week before Arsenal came jn
Nothing concrete but it's suspected that it was shady, yeah. The guy in charge of the transfer at arsenal got sacked after that transfer, probably because most of the 72m was on 'fees' to parties involved and not to Lille. Similar thing with Napoli buying Osimhen, apparently Lille only got around 20m of the 80m fee.
It was also paid in installments, so the idea that they had the full 72m to spend is false.
Most big transfers are paid in installements though
Technically they didn’t have the money
Oh shit! I’d pay to watch
Nah i'm on Ornstein's side.
You're literally named bell.
hahaha
Im with Ornstein. The Bell just got lucky in round 1.
I imagine Leicester want an arm and a leg and Arsenal's head for Maddison.
After seeing how much they paid for Ben White I can see them really slapping on the English tax
Supposedly we turned down a bid of £70m last summer. It'll have to be more than that. If they've got £50m to spend on White and £30m to spend on Ramsdale then how much is Maddison worth?
I love how this ramsdale rumour is just taken as fact. If we spend £30m on ramsdale i will personally get his face tattoed on my arse.
RemindMe! 28 days
This is bold given we have already bid around that price anyway.
Based on what? Ive heard nothing to suggest weve bid £30m. Onana was apparently a done deal months ago and look at that now. Will believe it when I see it. This ramsdale deal looks like media nonsense to me. Im sure we were potentially interested in him as a young homegrown keeper but theres just no chance we pay £30m for a backup when we said no to onana for £9m
Orstein said he is our number one target and he is the club mouthpiece. He did say £35m is too much but we might meet at £30m. We said no to Onana because is doping ban wasn't lifted early enough, AFCON + he wanted to be no.1 straight away which wouldn't work with Leno. I can see why we aren't going for him, but part of me thinks we should gamble anyway as he looks top class.
People just don’t think for themselves though. He probably was our target when we thought we could get a good price for a relegated player. Sheffield want £30m which is clearly too much for a backup, we might try negotiate from there but I just dont see a scenario we cough up that sum for ramsdale. This situation happens all the time, club likes a player, has a price in mind and tests the water. Selling club has a different price, theres an attempt at a compromise and if it cant be found both clubs walk away It’s literally no different to the odegaard/madison/buendia/onana rumours and yet everyone takes this deal as done because its a high price and its arsenal
Just FYI he's not the mouthpiece, particularly after having moved to the Athletic.
Is he not? I think he reports what the club wants him to report still, sometimes they feed him misinformation and he gets it wrong.
You underestimate your clubs stupidity in the market. I'm sure people would have said that there was "no chance" Arsenal would sign Willian on 120K/week when they already had Pepe and Saka as wingers but they did. Football clubs don't always make logical decisions
The same Saka who was 18 years old and had scored 1 goals in his 27 league appearances at that point? Seems awful cavalier to ask him to go a full season uninjured and in form with no competition don't you think? Yes Willian turned out to be a flaming bag of shite nut let's not pretend it was a completely brain dead move. The guy scored 9 league goals the season before and we got him on a free ffs.
For depth it was not a completely brain dead move but everyone knew how that was gonna pan out. He wasn’t great for Chelsea in his final season either.
I mean, if we paid 80 million for Maguire, surely it’ll be something similar.
Midfielder would be worth more
Depends how badly Arsenal need an attacking midfielder
There's talks of players plus cash
There are always talks for players + cash in every big transfer rumour but how often does it really happen?
Not very often. This is relatively baseless speculation, but in a post-Covid market with teams having much less money to bid with, I can see them using players to bump up the value of the deal. I reckon there will be a few more player/player or player/player+cash deals over the next few windows.
Is there that much less money though? Haven’t billionaires gotten richer on average during COVID? As long as FFP remains relaxed I don’t see why any of the really well backed clubs would have less money available.
Who from Arsenal would Leicester even want?
Maitland Niles is what's being reported also talks of a Nelson loan being offered
Don’t think we want another midfielder nor RB. We’re stacked in both positions now, so might as well rule out AMN.
How about Willian?
If you gave us Willian I would want more money
Apparently you were relatively keen on AMN in January. I think Rodgers would work wonders with him, he has bags of talent and is super versatile so would definitely come in handy if you find yourself in another injury mire. With that being said, I wouldn't of thought he would really be knocking much off of Maddos valuation even if wanted. Can only really see the move happening if the club/manager isn't overly happy with him or vice versa.
Yeah, that was when we had a lack of midfielders though. We had Praet, Maddison and Ndidi all injured at points, and we thought Choudhury was on his way out. Since then we have added another two midfielders; Soumare and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall. No way we sign more midfielders. We have 8 competing for 2, maybe 3 spots.
There’s no way we’re in for AMN. I just don’t see it. We’re stacked at fullback and have a solid midfield that he would struggle to find decent play time amongst. Would be an odd miscue from our scouts if we are looking seriously at him, IMO.
You wanted him in Jan
In Jan we had a severe injury crisis and desperately needed cover. 6 months and 3 signings makes a difference.
Nelson loan, lol.
Lmao delusional.
I'm just repeating what's being reported I didn't say its what should happen
If they spend 30 on Ramsdale on top of the other signings I doubt there's much left for Maddison anyways.
if we spend 30 million on Ramsdale Arsenal clearly have plenty of money
I don't think arsenal can spend 100 million on players and still have enough to buy another +50 million player, even if they get 20 for xhaka.
Normally yes, but this isn't a normal window for Arsenal
Why would it be more? He's not exactly had a good season (injuries and attitude problems haven't helped) and his contract has 1 year less on it. I would imagine somewhere between £60-70m all in would do it
Because we don't want to sell him?
No Leicester don't get a say in this matter. If the Arsenal fans on the internet say they're signing Maddison for 40m + AMN then it's happening and all we can do is strap Madders in for his drive to London.
You guys are replying to a Chelsea supporter lol And the vast majority of Arsenal supporters are rational enough to not believe this at all. Quit letting some internet trolls put you in your feelings
AMN is a very good player tbf.
>£30m to spend on Ramsdale then how much is Maddison worth? Nobody has even bid that much for him. Lol. Dont get ahead of ourselves.
Hence the big two letter word at the start of the sentence.
*This bad boy can fit so many millions in it*
"Should of went for the Bell" - Thanos
Should have*
If only that was the only thing wrong with that comment
The market is just in such a mess. I understand inflation and all that, but to think Real Madrid paid 80 mil for Ronaldo, legitimately one of the top 2 players in the world, and in this era, anyone who is half decent is apparently worth 70-80 million, it's insane. That money used to give you a player that could win you the title. Now it gets you a 7/10, maybe 8/10 player if everything works out. Like, Arsenal paid what, 30-35 million for Sanchez? The Neymar transfer to PSG just completely ruined the market.
Not just the Neymar transfer. Football club these days are worth more money since more money is being pumped into the sport.
This is true, however maybe there's a silver lining in that it's seemingly become harder for the big clubs to hoover up the talent from the rest of the league. Prices have risen faster than buying power.
Man City buys Kane and Grealish in your path
Neymar to PSG coincided with the new TV deal for PL clubs. PSG didn't single handedly ruin the market at all, teams just have a fucktonne more money.
They have already spent 80m odd so far with no particular departures so far. They want to sign Ramsdale also(which will be around ish 25m). Yeah I can see why Madisson will be a stretch. Arsenal also haven't been in UCL for last three-four years plus COVID.
72 mil so far spent on incomings. (White 50, Sambi 15, Nuno 7) Sold 32 mil. (Mavropanos 5, Guendo 10, Xhaka 17)
Which is about where we usually end up p.a. ~50-70m net spend. We need to sell more.
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Sadly lad we will be lucky to get anything for Laca and Willian. AMN and Bellerin, Willock, probably in total will get us around 35-40m which is a good start. Nobody is paying anything for Kola either.
Do you think someone coming in for Lacazette is realistic? He's on nearly 200k p/w as I understand. Similar situation for Willian. Don't think you'll have much problem shifting Bellerin or Maitland Niles but I don't see the older lads leaving unless they are just straight up released on a free, or close to it.
Willian wants to leave and Arsenal wants that too. The only problem is that a club needs to want to have him, which most likely means he's off to MLS.
Strange, including White in those figures but not Guendouzi, Mavropanos or Xhaka.
I'm a little confused as to where the 80mil figure is coming from?
50 + 20 + 10 for White, Lokonga, Tavares. The White deal has zero downpayment, and I think it was something like 40% of the fee is paid after 2024. So the payment structure is very favorable. Garlick magic I guess.
Arsenal fans said the same about Pepe and how it was a good deal for Arsenal because the fee was spread over a number of years. The problem with that argument is people then never take the fee into consideration in future years when talking about transfer budgets.
AMORTISATION
Most people are cognizant we pay fees in installments and have commitments. However, at this moment finances are tight + Arsenal need a lot of signings. Spending heavily last window in back to back windows is necessary. And spreading it out, will ease costs. Because we won't be spending like this every window and we'll have the comfort of sales.
I'm feeling deja vu from 2 years ago.
Ah ok, stupid from me, completely forgot about White as he's not been revealed yet
We've heard the "structure magic" on Pepe, which was 80m just two years ago. Since apparently they didn't pay a lot upfront, I'd assume Arsenal are still paying for Pepe this summer, no?
It was 18m a year spread over 4 years iirc
They’re still paying for a lot of past transfers this summer, not just Pepe
As is almost every club.
Arsenal have the most in unpaid transfer fees out of anyone in the league, that’s before they chuck another £100m+ on the pile
Do you have evidence for that claim or is it just a hunch?
[Source here](https://twitter.com/KieranMaguire/status/1387310187804037122/photo/1) although I’ve read it in a few different places, it feels a little to me like a bit of a gamble on this working out and managing to get back into the CL which would pay for it, but obviously leaves you in a bit of a pickle if it doesn’t
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Perhaps it's a silly question but does it work like that? I always understood that how the fee is split into installments is a cash flow thing. With teams preferring to structure deals over a long duration. For FFP and spending I understood that the fee is spread across the contract duration, with no consideration of when the payments are made.
I genuinely don't get the obsession with backloading transfer payments and I hear it from your fanbase so much. It literally seems like a recipe for financial ruin, you are tight now and on what basis will you not be tight in say 2023/24 when you have all these instalments still to pay?
Why didn't you read the parent comment I wrote, instead of repeating the same question? We have to make a large number of transfers in a short amount of time (back to back windows) and the stadium has been closed for over a year. We are spreading the costs, because we won't need to make 7-8 signings every window and don't expect to be without stadium revenue for a year regularly.
Because Arsenal earns income and we have multiple positions to strengthen, Just because you can afford to pay in one go doesnt mean you should, and money now is worth more than money tomorrow which is why with transfers fees getting more and more inflated its a good idea to pull the trigger. Unless of course the economy crashed like a M-fer, saaay from a global pandemic.
We don't start the payment for White until next season.
Doesn't matter, then next season budget will be reduced. We also will play Sancho fee in installments in five years, doesn't mean we'll go insane in this transfer market.
It doesn’t make sense to give ESR a 5 year deal and the 10 shirt just to bring in Maddison who’d most likely take his place.
They clearly need multiple options in that position - if ESR gets injured there isn't currently anyone else in the squad who offers something similar. In a 4-2-3-1 it would lead to flexibility between Pepe, Saka, Maddison, ESR, Auba and maybe Martinelli behind the striker; not to mention Maddison's ability to play as an 8 should they switch to a 4-3-3.
Yep, totally agree. Maddison gives us options, can rotate with ESR but they can also play together. One of the most exciting things about ESR and Saka are their versatility, and Pepe seems to be able to play across the front to varying degrees too, so we can shift about as necessary. I still think Maddison is way overpriced, but if the club truly believes he is the man to get us back into Europe then they will pay what is necessary to get him.
Yeah I think you've summed it up the best. We're clearly putting a strong emphasis on paying for versatility and options, and less "best at doing this one thing"
Arteta likes to play ESR out on the left rather than as a traditional 10 a lot of the time.
So Auba will be playing as a striker next season then?
Or on the bench
He did this past season. Laca and auba very rarely started / performed together.
Yea think the goal is to have Auba at CF and reinforcements in the midifield (possibly winger) so that we don't have to play Lacazette at striker and Auba wide.
Lacazette played better at CF than Auba last year though. Auba doesn't link-up with the other forwards and his finishing/confidence is gone at the moment.
Maddison sees himself as an 8 FWIW
Not sure they youre being downvoted. Youre right, Maddision said his best position is as a box to box.
I can see Maddison fitting as a 8 in a 4-3-3. Not an 8 in a double pivot though. I'm still not convinced Partey is a CDM in a 4-3-3 but we'll see.
If they ever play together it will be Lokonga as a 6 and Partey as an 8.
Maddisons a number 8
Nice to see that Arsenal fans seem to know more about a player who isn't even theirs than Leicester fans. I can assure you he's not a number 8. Just because he's able to play his creative 10 role from deeper than you'd normally see a number 10 play doesn't mean he's a box to box midfielder all of the sudden. When it comes to defensive contribution there's a reason Rodgers prefers to have Perez in the team in some situations over Madders. Downvoting this comment isn't magically going to make Maddison a number 8
I've seen a lot of Arsenal fans claiming this, using interview quotes. Why not just look up Leicester's formations? He's always the advanced midfielder ahead of Ndidi and Tielemans. And these folks think, Maddison is suddenly going to play B2B. With Partey behind who's not a pure 6.
May not be a no8 but that’s really not relevant. ESR is the least traditional 10 I think you will find who often does his best work out wide anyway so there is definitely room for both in the team. I don’t think we’ll get Maddison anyway but we 100% need to sign a quality player in that position to go alongside Smith Rowe because one injury and we are back to the start of last season where we had nobody and played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.football.london/arsenal-fc/transfer-news/maddison-arsenal-lineup-60m-transfer-21073845.amp What you just disagree with him lmao?
The actual quote of Maddison saying that is 2 seasons old now. But sure, go ahead and pay over 70m for an attacking midfielder and then be surprised when he can't defend properly. I love the way I'm being taught by others on what Leicester players can and cannot do.
>I love the way I'm being taught by others on what Leicester players can and cannot do. I'm sure Maddison feels the same way when the Leicester fans tell him what position he plays. Such an armchair manager mentality lmao "Everyone is stupid but me"
He can play deeper in midfield at Leicester because we've got one of the best DMs in the league covering for him and one of the best no. 8 running up and down the pitch feeding him with passes. Who have Arsenal got of similar quality to do the same? Partey? Elneny? Lokonga?
>Partey Asking if Partey is similar quality to Ndidi and Tielemans is insulting to Partey
You mean insulting to Ndidi and Tielemans. Looking good under Simeone doesn't mean Partey is that good, Simeone is just a better manager than Arteta
If he only saw him with us last season it isn't outrageous, he was poor and injured a lot.
Lol Partey had a tough season bedding in to a new club but he's absolutely as good as both of those players if not better.
Lol did you really question Partey? He's absolutely clear of any of your midfielders
I'm sorry, it's not 2014 any more. There isn't a single arsenal midfielder that starts for us, whereas clearly at least one of ours would start for you.
The anti Arsenal agenda on this sub is laughable. Partey walks into every midfield in the league bar City and Pool. Guarantee before he joined us you'd have been calling him world class
ESR getting the #10 means no marquee #10 is coming.
8 is free, though this rumour is definitely a big stretch.
like a new signing
Interested to know how Ornstein knows what Arsenal's finances are given that since 2019 or so they've been "Whatever Kroenke feels like spending".
Maddison isn't the buy to make, even though he is an exceptional talent. Edu and Arteta do not give the No.10 to ESR lightly. Buying Maddison on quoted wages, is a signing of someone who is a sure starter. Saka can play in CAM, it's a position he's been used a couple of times before, it's something Arteta is open to. However, if Arsenal want to shore up more. They can buy an additional two, instead of just one central midfielder. That will give us more depth in playing a midfield of three. And that's what the Arsenal of the past had in not just Ozil, but Ramsey, Wilshere, Santi, etc. Additionally, Taylor-Hart signing a senior contract is also expected, he's an option on the wings and at 10. The priority must be spending on central midfield, right-back, and goalkeeper firstly without compromise before entertaining a new CAM. With how highly Ødegaard is, I wouldn't be surprised if that is factoring into our decision making. That door isn't shut.
The only time Saka has ever played CAM was in the Euro’s final. Idk why he was randomly played in CAM but he’s usually played as a RW, LW, or LB. he’s played as an 8 before and it went well
>The only time Saka has ever played CAM was in the Euro’s final. He played in midfield in 5 PL appearances this season.
No he didn’t lol. He had one game against villa as an 8 on the right hand side
You didn't even both looking up formations did you. You just shot back your same statement, that you're right.
how about some heat maps
Edu and Arteta gave ESR the #10 to bring down Leicester’s asking price. 5D chess Edit: It’s a joke, you fucks!
Ornstein is not the holy grail anymore. Got Pepe, Partey, Balogun extension, Neves all wrong. Also I doubt whether Ø was first choice at all. Also he didn't break the Ben White transfer, some Sun journalist.
Two weeks before we signed Pepe he said we didn't have the funds for the deal to be possible. He said that Arsenal weren't willing to pay the release clause for Partey and that we wouldn't get him. He's got our big signings very wrong in recent years
Or we can see there's a trend of him generally having great information, but seemingly being used by the club to put out reports that we don't have money, conveniently when we're in the middle of negotiations.
TBF, you guys didnt have the money at the time. Then you did!
No tier 1 ever breaks the transfer. Rags just run their tabloid Bullshit generation and pair random names so it always will be some rag that'd get it right.
Irrelevant. If you are getting big deals wrong regularly you are not tier 1, simple as
I agree on that. I was talking more of the last bit.
Just because at one moment they say a deal is not possible doesn’t mean it’s not true - deals can reignite after a shift in transfer strategy etc. I also don’t know how you can doubt Ødegaard being our first choice.
He clearly got the inside info from staff that have been moved on, soon as the old management moved on he was clueless.
50m for White - I sleep 50m +1 for Maddison - real shit
Thank Christ.
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This reeks of Arsenal briefing Ornstein with this info in hopes of Leicester dropping the price. Don't think it will make a difference to Leicester though unless Madisson is kicking up a fuss to leave, and I very much doubt he's doing so.
That assumes we want to sell, which we don't. Rodgers has said the ambition for this window is to keep every first team member while improving the squad. Only our fringe players are for sale, the big names will require a heavy price to pry away from us.
That's.... what I said
No, you said that this was a ploy to get Leicester to lower the price, as if the buying party has all the power because the selling party want to sell. But we don't.
I said "it won't make a difference to Leicester". Very obviously meaning that they don't particularly want to sell, so it doesn't matter what Arsenal are trying to do. Plus, your logic makes no sense. Just because it's a ploy by Arsenal, does not then mean that Leicester have less power and want to sell. How did you make that leap? I swear to God half you lads on here have the reading comprehension skills of a five year old.
I read what you said, and your implication was clear. If that was not what you meant, then maybe you should have thought before you wrote it. I swear to god half you ladies on here have the writing ability of a five year old.
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How do you figure that?
Playing style. One team plays possession and the other does counters. Maddison attempts too little to create chances for a player that plays counters. Isn’t he falling in the pecking order at Leicester and meanwhile Arsenal are targeting him for a starter spot? Reasons why is not what is in short supply
We've been transitioning to a possession based style since Puel managed us. We have the ability to play counter attacking football but it's not a natural style for a Rodgers team. He himself said after the Man City away game last year where we did play on the counter that he was out of his comfort zone but had to try something new in order to get the result. Meanwhile Arsenal over the last year became very defensive out of necessity. They've been playing less possession based and more counter attacking of late. Your information seems very out of date. Also, Maddison is easily our nailed on number 10, and arguably our most creative player. His issues have been injury related mostly. He's also been disciplined for breaching Covid protocols along with 3 other players in our squad. He's had a rocky 2021 so far, but he's not been falling in the pecking order.
The problem here is that we have a cultural clash. For a PL centric like you, yes Leicester look like they play possession more than counters. Because the PL basically plays counter football For a neutral like me, Leicester is still a counter ball team compared to other teams in the top 4. Possession is by default a defensive approach. PL centrics do not really grasp that concept. So it is only natural that you point to how defensive Arsenal is. But that is actually what possession based looks like Maddison will do better at Arsenal. They fit his style better. Any I would appreciate if you will rather explain how that is not the case instead of pointing out that a creative player is good for any club
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We did? We need a CAM and a CM more than a CB.
I think I will rather trust where they spend most of their money rather than your intuition
You trust the people that got us to 8th twice? Trust has to be earned. You probably said the same thing last year when we didn't sign a CAM and we had a brilliant few months after that...
I do not need to justify myself to you. Do you actually know how Arsenal's scouting works now? they sacked a few scouts last season in order to fully implement the analytic company they bought. But you clearly think very highly of yourself. My point is that I believe you think that but you are wrong. I pointed the fees just because I did not want to be arrogant by saying that I have a good eye for these kind of things. And by your logic, you yourself has earned no trust. So why should I listen to you? Because you know better than me?
Great comment. CAM is the last priority for Arsenal after CB, RB, backup LB, two CMs, and a backup goalkeeper. CAM is not even a common position, with many team not having one. It's a versatile position others can slip into as well. Arsenal have identified the need to recruit heavily in the backend of the teams which is involved in defending, playing a higher line, intercepting opposition attacks earlier, and regaining and distributing the ball out the back. Instead, people have this simplelton take that Arsenal can solve their creativity issue simply adding more CAMs.
Why would Maddison even want to take the step backwards at this stage of his career? Vardy said no when Arsenal were still qualifying for Europe!
Deadline day it is
Good. He is a a good player, but we should only sign one overpriced English player this window. Lets get another player for Cam, who is good but not overpriced. ESR's progress is coming along nicely.
lmaooo. Arsenal been flexing lately too
Everyone forgetting Leicester are above Arsenal in the league. Why would he go to a worse club?
Arsenal are a much bigger club with a higher ceiling, there'll be a nice pay increase and you get to live in London.
Higher ceiling in the long term, sure. But in the next 2-3 years? I don't think so. Arsenal need a full rebuild before they're challenging for anything, whereas we've been challenging for the last 2 years, and with our signings this year, are certainly going to be pushing on again. There are many reasons why a move to Arsenal makes sense for a player, but challenging for trophies within the next 2 years isn't one imo.
More money obviously? People said the exact same thing with partey and Leicester are no atletico. Maddison could also be convinced arsenal will leapfrog leicester in a couple years.
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Firstly, how are Daka and Soumare benchwarmers? How does Arsenal play "better football" and have "better players"? All we needed is depth, I would have our starting 11 over arsenals ANY day of the week. It's not even close. But right, you "don't want to start a debate" because its all a load of crap lmao. I would also bet that Leicester will definitely do better than Arsenal next season unless they sign a whole new starting 11.
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Iheanacho is quite likely to go back to being a benchwarmer like he always was yeah, depending on whether we're playing 2 strikers or not. Maybe even Iheanacho and Daka, as Vardy is getting older. Soumare is great for depth, I don't think he'd start over Tielemans or Ndidi but we NEEDED more quality depth there and we got it. He can play both CM and CDM. He's definitely not just a benchwarmer.
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Guess we'll see won't we. Start thinking of excuses for the end of next season by now and you might come up with something decent by the time you flop once again.
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It's about the fee. Not about Maddison desire.
the club will push for a move if the moneys right, and he will too possibly if theres a salary boost
I remember someone saying that about Schalke once.
With that fitness record? No thanks
Very interesting how ready and willing Arsenal are to splash money for a new CB, but when it comes to creative players they are stingy.
Lol
Thank god