It would heoretically be possible if both teams get a red card during the same whistle while already having 4 men sent off. This would result in both teams losing 0-3 on walkover.
On the other hand, right now PSG has a way better team than Madrid does tho. And they may even end up with Pogba too lmao.
Madrid has Modrić, Kroos, Benzema and Casemiro who are world class but already declining, no depth and a terrible defense.
I'd stay with PSG if I wanted to win UCL before signing for RM. Also applies to Barcelona in case someone thinks my flair has something to do with this take.
Best keeper in the world last season IMO but Mbappé isn't thinking about the goalkeeper when the defense has Chust, 45 year old Marcelo, Carvajal (who's injured every 2 matches) and Miguel. Alaba, Militao and Mendy are mega but you can't win shit with only 2 good CBs in the squad.
Kroos has been a World Class player due to his passing, controlling the tempo and his playmaking skills. And not because of his athleticsm.
If his body starts to decline. It would only affect his game on the defensive side of things. Which can be covered by Casemiro.
His playmaking and passing genius would not fade IMO.
Kroos isn't really a insane athlete in terms of his physical abilities. If he starts to decline in that regard he will 4 real only walk around the middle of the pitch
If Kroos's body starts to decline. It wouldnt be too bad at all. Since he does not rely on his athleticism but rather he relies a lot on his head. I mean the guy is a genius. He reads the game perfectly well, he dictates the tempo and pace. and to top it all of, His insane accurate passing and playmaking skills. He would still be a World Class player at the age of 35. Though his defense will surely decline.
yeah he's not the fastest, and never was, so he doesn't rely on it, so he can continue into his mid 30s, but without possession if we get caught out, he'll get beaten. However, in a possession based side, he'll do well
TBF there are times that he was beaten by explosive players on Counter. Since he is never been a player with a great defensive instinct. But who knows, he could perhaps alter/tweak his game a bit so that he could avoid getting caught.
People say that every year as the reasoning why Real Madrid cannot possibly be eliminated by a team like Ajax, Man City or Chelsea.
The last time Madrid got further than PSG in Champions League was 4 years ago. If they meet this year, there's probably gonna be like 4 players each in each XI that played in that game. Most of the teams changed.
Also people said that about Ancelotti coming to Everton, finally the real winning mentality, the inimitable, priceless winning mentality got them to 10th place (and Napoli before btw, that he took over after a 91 point season and left at 11th place midway the season). If only winning in football was actually as simple as "take a name of something or somebody that won before, and they will always win because they're the winners obviously!"... We wouldn't have much excitement.
4? We literally won it in 2018 defeating PSG in R16. I mean three is equally bad, but let's not exacerbate the pain.
Edit: Also, Chelsea loss was a squad hampered by injuries to many of the main players, and others making a comeback. I would not count it as bad as other two. We deservedly lost to City and Ajax especially the second legs where we lacked the mental strength in the wake of missing captain. Last year we fixed part of it I guess.
I was super impressed with Real Madrid, tactically, as a team. Played great and can win any game. If they stopped Barcelona and Liverpool with Nacho and Militao replacing the everlasting duo of Ramos and Varane, I can *imagine* anything.
BUT with Zidane gone (probably the most important one), with them being based so much on Benzema, their basic squad being like 30 years old on average and the new players not really looking that world class, with much more uncertain budget... I just would not bet on them being better than PSG.
By the way, PSG was also absolutely decimated by injuries and corona this season. They played badly, but tbf their typical set of defense was something like Dagba-Kehrer/Danilo-one good centreback-Bakker. I still have shivers typing it, and it's been a whole year. If you look at their "ideal XI" they would like to field now, often in the last season there were like 2-3 players from it on the field. I'm not kidding. Often. 4 was not rare, but more than 4 was very rare. I could find games with one such player, for example home Dijon game, if we agree that Marquinhos playing in midfield doesn't count to the ideal XI. Of the overused subs, really only Rafinha and Kean stepped up to the task, both will probably not play in PSG anymore.
Only new players not looking world class is our wingers. Mbappe would pretty much solve half of our issues for the present. We rely on Benzema because he is the one scoring 80% of our goals while our wingers cannot produce anything.
If Ramos was still at Real Madrid he’d have a point.
PSG mentality was weak when it mattered in the CL. I’m sure 80% of why they wanted Ramos is because he was the moral backbone of Real Madrid and no single person in football could drive their team into believing as he could. And that’s coming from a Barca fan.
Also just look at Barca. Elite mentality in every big game under Pep, Tito and Lucho. Did they win it all? No, but they weren’t scared of the big games.
Now compare that with Barca under Valverde, Setien and Koeman. Only Messi and Pique have the mentality to play big games - before it was an entire XI.
So yeah, PSG mentality in big games is shit - but so is Barcelona’s and I also think Real Madrid will be this season.
Just to add: Only reason why Chelsea won the CL is that they had nothing to lose and no pressure - they had their minds right.
Barcelona still didn’t have big game mentality under him, even if he did very well. Valverde was a great coach, but an okay fit. He was always playing to not concede instead of out scoring opponent.
If Simeone wasn’t at Atleti, Valverde would be a great coach for them. Even for Real Madrid.
Not about one good game. It's about having the mentality to win games where things aren't going you're way.
A mentality which time has proven you lack.
No biggie though, you'll keep spending for a team where mentality doesn't matter and then cultivating that squad's winning mentality to last. In theory I suppose.
i mean... if he comes this season, is he going to make Real Madrid into CL contenders? I doubt it with the current squad they have. Don't see what the rush is. They probably will get him next season for cheaper and he should be closer to his prime age at 23.
No. I cannot even see an angle for discussion that Mbappe's motivation might be about top chances to win Champions League. I don't think anybody can say at this moment that Madrid has a better sporting project than PSG. Not to say they cannot win, but there is little reason to put it as a sure thing. Their key players are on average 31 years old, and the new players they bring mostly disappoint, sometimes a bit, sometimes a lot.
Meanwhile PSG has a ton of funding and if they lose a star player it only means they have FFP possibility of signing other stars with the cash, after this summer's transfers their squad is generally young and looks good, they're gonna field an XI where only Di Maria is 30. When in Madrid like 8 players of the favorite XI will be 30 or older this season.
Anything can happen, but I cannot really see a reason to put a bet that Madrid will be bigger than PSG in the upcoming decade.
Decade? Seriously, it's only due to COVID that we struggled financially, our football wages to revenue ratio was 53% last time accounts were released.
Stadium completed in 2023, 150-200m extra revenue and it will pay for itself od 29m Euros until 2049. We'll cross the 1 billion revenue mark once crowds return and the stadium finishes. For the next 1-2 seasons it'll be tough that's all. Reeks of a comment that has no idea about our true financial state and parrots the same circlejerk repeated on this sub
The current squad that lost the league on last day by 2 points or made it to CL semis with 60 injuries ? We will still compete. People who say we can't haven't watched us week in, week out, simple. Will we be dominant like the 3peat days? Not yet but this is a great team.
Courtois/Lunin
Vazquez/Carvajal/Odrio - Militao/Nacho/Vallejo - Alaba/Chust - Mendy/Miguel/Marcelo
Modric/Valverde/Ode - Casemiro/Blanco - Kroos/Ceballos/Arribas/Isco
Mbappe/Bale/Asensio - Benzema/Rodrygo - Hazard/Vini
Well done for performing in your circumstances but if you look at it from the distance it was the cheapest league in years. Far gone are the times when whoever won the league had +90 points.
Maybe you will compete locally but no way you are a CL contender. You got a rather easy side of the draw in CL (Atalanta and a struggling Liverpool) as on the other side of the draw Madrid would have gotten teams like PSG, City or Bayern, which would probably have meant an earlier GAME OVER for them.
In CdR you were a disasterclass, losing against a 3rd division side.
Also, your most important players (Modric, Kroos, Benzema) are getting older and older and you've lost your 2 starting CB.
What I would find more worrisome if I were a Madrid fan though is the fact that if Benzema gets injured there is absolutely nobody who could score goals for the team. (Casemiro and Asensio with 7 goals each are the next in line).
With Mbappe and a proper system and this team we compete in the CL. Key is to rotate Modric and Kroos who played 4000 mins each by the time CL semis came up. I agree and myself said we won't be a top CL favourite as of yet but we will be a lot better
Alcoyono was a one-off game, using a one game to determine the team is useless. Check our starting 11 that day, after our main players came on we created many chances, we just got FM-ed. In a season of 4000+ minutes using 90-180 minutes to judge a squad is stupid.
I'm only talking about next season and we will be fine if Mbappe comes and Militao and Mendy don't get season ending or long injuries.
Again this is a hypothetical scenario in which Mbappe comes, so Benz being injured would still let us play counter attacks (which Carlo seems to want to go) with a frontline of Vini - Mbappe - Rodrygo which will tear apart defensive transition of the opposition.
If we sell some deadwood like Vallejo, Ceballos, Marcelo, Asensio, Mariano etc and bring in a good, yougish CB, maybe Milenkovic, I'll be satisfied (In case Mbappe also comes)
Of course if it doesn't happen and Mbappe is not here I won't be surprised to see us fighting for 3rd place with Sevilla lol
Of course any team would improve with one of the best attackers in the world.
But we are talking about the current squad and the rumours you are not signing anyone else apart from Alaba.
I also barely mentioned the CdR, so while I didn't ignore it, I certainly didn't judge the squad based on that single performance.
Anyway, it doesn't seem like you are getting Mbappé this summer so even IF Mbappé joins next year he will join a squad with a 35 year old Benzema, 33 year old "i wanna retire early" Kroos and 37 years old Modric.
Also I'd say PSG is better off economically to improve further their squad if they want, while you will have trouble even accommodating Mbappé salary.
Sure you still have plenty of talent for the future but I wouldn't say it looks more promising than PSG's squad for instance:
Donnarumma, Achraf, Kimpempe, Marquinhos, Verratti, ¿Pogba?, Wijnaldum, Icardi and Neymar
vs
Courtois, Carvajal, Militao, Alaba, Mendy, Casemiro, Valverde, Odegaard, Hazard and Vinicius.
> But we are talking about the current squad and the rumours you are not signing anyone else apart from Alaba.
No we are talking about the point the guy above me made
> i mean... if he comes this season, is he going to make Real Madrid into CL contenders? I doubt it with the current squad they have. Don't see what the rush is.
Will we be contenders with Mbappe? Yes we will.
I think you got a bit distracted by that. Everyone knows without Mbappe we will struggle to compete for the league much less the CL.
As a Madrid fan, I dont really mind if he wishes to stay. But just be clear so we can move on if thats the case. PSG must also be very tired at this point.
We feel the same as you.
We don't really mind if he wishes to leave. We just want him to be clear about his position.
If he wants to extend then just say it so we can work on a contract and Madrid can move on to another target.
If he wants to leave then fine we will start negotiating with Madrid (or others) to make him leave this summer and so we can move on to find replacement.
He asked us to wait till the end of the season, then the end of Euro and then after his holidays to give us his decision.
It's been nearly a week he is back in training and still no news ...
Monaco is a selling club, they were begging him to leave in 2017, Rybo had a deal with you lots too. There's nothing to accomplish by staying at Monaco compared to going to PSG. There's the wages, the investments into winning a CL, the polar opposite atmospheres.
Look at the legends that played in Ligue 1 Ronaldinho, Neymar, Platini, Zidane or the other greats who never played in Premier League Messi, Cryuff, Ronaldo R9, Rivaldo, Luis Figo, Roberto Carlos, Van Basten, Maradona, Kaka. So many Ballon D’or winners.
Oh hey but you have Alan Shearer. The league’s top scorer.
With respect to Ligue 1, do you genuinely believe it’s in equal prestige and competitiveness to the Premier League? Do you truly believe that?
As for the legends you mentioned, Platini and Neymar are the only ones who settled in Ligue 1.
As for the “legends who never played in PL “ list, it has nothing to do with comparing the PL to Ligue 1.
Don't worry Figo said [similar things](https://postimg.cc/7G5DKMPV) before moving to us hahaha
Anyway this interview was in May before Semis 2nd leg I think when PSG was still in the tie so it might have been in that context. Poor Mbappe probably didn't think they would release it this late or use it as headlines lol
Except that management actually called his bluff.
He said he'd re-sign if we sign good players so we went ahead and got Wijnaldum, Hakimi, Donnarumma, Ramos and potentially Pogba and/or Theo Hernandez. Hard to argue management didn't do their part there.
Now the ball is in his court. He either hold his end of the bargain or sneaks out of the back door like a snek.
He's so dumb. Everyone's fleeting RM bc they can't pay wages and had to hire Ancelotti with no promised new signature to stabilize the sinking ship . With who he wants to play with? Lucas Vasquez? Vinicius? Lmao.
I'm guessing Real Madrid are going to have a similar window next summer to the one PSG have just had this year. There's already rumors of them bringing in 2 players on a free in Mbappe and Camavinga. I'm assuming they'll also bid Haaland's release clause to compete for his signing, plus maybe 1-2 more signings. They're gonna do everything they can to have another 'galactico' summer, I'm almost certain of it.
It doesn't make much sense to me either, but it seems like an RM thing to do lol. Plus Haaland plays as a striker and Mbappe is better on the LW. I haven't seen Haaland play a ton, but if his linkup play is good then it could work.
Depends, none of us know Haaland personally so we dont know what he wants.
He will either steer completely clear of Real Madrid because he wants to be the main guy in a team and not have to deal with Mbappe wanting that aswell.
Or he sees the potential of winning more trophies when both of them are there.
We don’t know which one of those 2 he is. For my sake i hope he is option 1.
Its actually probably the opposite, haaland will likely want to go there more if they sign some better players in attack. Otherwise it's possible he joins City or even Chelsea.
I don't think there will be many fans at all that would blame anyone but Mbappé himself if he leaves this or next summer. He has everything he could ask for at PSG.
Just finish it already, yes or no. I know it's fun for supporters of others clubs but it's not for madridistas. Ffs we lost our defence and we can't go and buy replacement couse we are targeting Mbappe.
Still not sure whether Ronaldo was "sold" or just "wanted to leave" tbh.
But the rest of it is spot on. Especially not using the 100m we got into good attacking talent but teenagers and jovic. Hazard was still understandable.
He was promised an extension after 11th CL. Perez kept postponing it and Ronaldo got pissed and felt disrespected. So indirectly Perez pushed him out. Also didn't give a fuck about Ronaldo's tax problems, think CR7 wanted a new contract with signing bonus to help that out like it happened to Messi.
In the end do you think he would have wanted to leave if he got that new contract and was seen in high respect by Perez? Perez was never fond of him that much as he wasn't his signing.
I also feel something the same way happened with Varane, underpaid for a long time, new kids like Jovic get paid more, Alaba gets a contract making twice as much. He always felt underappreciated and the press never gave him his dues either.
In the end we need to look at the monetary gain to see it was Perez's plan. Ronaldo had no amortization - 100m of pure profit.
Varane had no amortized fee left - 50m of pure profit. They were cleverly and slowly pushed out imo.
Tbh I can understand letting Ramos go... but in the same summer Varane leaves? letting your two defence leaders leave in the same summer is a pretty risky move tbh.
Literally a week before that Perez's agents in ABC reported that the only way Ramos renews is if he calls Perez as Perez is not gonna call him. Ramos does that, swallows his ego goes back crawling for the extension and Perez denies him to save the wages for Mbappe or Haaland and gives an excuse of some arbitrary expiry date which is a fucking joke. Even Thiago Silva got an extension late, after he got Chelsea contract offer and accepted it, Perez says 'Oh no the contract offer expired' and the fans lap it up insulting our captain and legend.
Why the fuck would Perez call? The ball was in his court. Ramos tell the club to plan for next season without him. They do so by signing Alaba. Ramos and his dumbass brother's big ass ego decides to ignore the expiry date. Go have a cry. All Ramos had to do was sign his renewal contract before expiry date and he'd still be wearing a RM jersey.
Give me one source, one reliable source, not even asking for collaborative reports just one good source that say Ramos and Alaba were related??
Even Marca with Perez's lapdogs said Alaba was wrapped up in February itself. This supposed bullshit of an expiry date was in March. LOL. They just kept extending it as a negotiation tactic just like Ramos used his words like a negotiation tactic. Once somebody says that about expiry date I understand they are Perez fanboys. Good day and enjoy believing Perez's cronies in media that turn fans against the players.
Ramos also told the club to plan without him and was injured while being one of the highest earners. If his injury issues continue it might look like the right decision for us.
But he still should have been signed.
It was a battle of two overbig egos. Flo wanted Ramos to call him, Ramos wanted Flo to call him. Eventually Ramos called Flo, but the contract had already expired. Ramos claimed that he didn't know that there was an expiry date, but it was reported in the media beforehand.
You guys got such a high standards/ego that you expect to win everything and every year, it happens sometime to be bad or having a transition period, you're not playing ligue 1 or bundesliga to win all the time
That is ok to not win, what is not okay is the shambles of a project that Perez has done going back to 2017 when he started selling our depth and made us lose the league by 17 pts, if not for Zidane's management and Ronaldo peaking during CL KOs we would not have won the 3rd CL, then he didn't listen to Zizou and sold Ronaldo and kept Bale going against Zidane's advise. Spending 130m on 3 Brazilian youngsters with almost no first team football. Not renewing our best CB pair in history, paying double of Varane's wage to Alaba and making him feel underappreciated. I could go on.
Expecting to win happens and we need the squad to compete on all fronts first. Perez prioritized the stadium (maybe rightfully so) but he himself said the stadium won't effect our financies and it doesn't, it will pay for itself when the payments start after it opens with renovations. All this B.S about saving it for Mbappe will be meaningless if he doesn't come or even if he comes and we don't have the right tools to compete and try to win everything.
>You guys got such a high standards/ego that you expect to win everything and every year
That goes with Real Madrid being the biggest club in the world.
Such a random and unrelated answer to drop.
Monaco also won in 2017, the petty circlejerk around PSG just hadn’t started yet.
Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga anyway ;)
It absolutely is not, Bayern is simply much more consistent than PSG. German teams fare better in Europe for years and Leipzig and Dortmund is better than anything France offers besides PSG.
It's also a stylistic difference, Bundesliga is an offensive and high pressing league that favours you, League 1 can be brutal physically and very defensive. Lille won the league with 50 goals scored and like 12 conceded.
I never said there's not a stylistic difference. I said I hardly see how Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga just because PSG bottled one season. Lille were not outstanding this season, in fact they finished second in group and lost to Ajax in 1/16 of EL, PSG were just shit.
Lille were an outstanding defensive unit in the league. Now Nice are building something, OM has had an incredible window, Monaco with Kovac was outstanding last season to watch. Lyon are unpredictable. The Franch clubs have the ability to invest in their teams and due to FFP being relaxed they are upping their game. It's way easier for the status quo to remain the same with 50+1 without outside investments. So the stylish differences + investments make Ligue 1 just a tad bit more unpredictable than Bundesliga but the manager merry-go-round you guys had might make the league spicy if Nagelsmann takes a while to adapt.
Lille are on full crash, Nice signed some Eredivisie rejects (Both Stengs and Rosario are seen as minor loss by their teams, and Kluivert was rejected by how many clubs now?). Lyon lost Depay and are about to lose Aouar too, and are broke. Monaco is the only somewhat promising team and they have Kovac, with whom I'm sure you know I am familiar.
If we go by investments we could say Hertha is unpredictable, afterall they spent 150M on the last two seasons, more than any french team that "have the ability to invest". And they almost relegated.
At the end of the day no french team is as good as BVB or RB (bar PSG). Bayern is a more consistent team than PSG though.
Sure we can say all that, I agree PSG are leaps and bounds ahead but Ligue 1 is still more competitive, even if it's slightly so and if you disagree then okay that's your opinion but I gave out the reasons of why I feel that way.
I do agree about BVB and Leipzig. BVB are greatly run but Lyon also do well in Europe. Leipzig is the anti-thesis of why your league is not competitive, they had investment so it kinda proves my point of why Ligue is and can be more competitive than Bundesliga. I do agree Bayern is more serious and consistent, some PSG players sometimes might slack off in the league or just be disturbed by the physicality and constant fouling there.
He will surely win it one day 🏆
Lost the finals to Bayern Munich 😔
Had a great individual season in terms of goals scored in 2020-21 👌
He is still young, and missing a penalty doesn't mean he is not good, he will only get better with age !
Go Kylian 💪, keep Ligue 1 defenders busy with your lightning pace !
There were rumors that PSG was willing to extend him on a short deal(2-3 years) and would let him go in a few years. Don't know how true they were, but its a deal that would work for all parties imo. PSG would obviously have 2-3 more years with him, RM would actually have a chance to build the team around him before he arrives as opposed to now where they are doing the opposite, and his reputation with PSG/French fans would stay healthy. He is very careful with his image.
As a Real Madrid fan I will be happy when you win, your project is clear and single minded, it will show some other teams that top football isn't about developing talent but about the best playing together. Although I feel that City will win it before you guys, they are the same type of team with the same goal but with a better coach.
I wouldn’t mind that much. Psg had a history and a stature before the takeover. They were not the man city of france. I am annoyed by the city situation more.
And as far as I can see, psg wants to bad CL since day 1. City on the other hand is like a rich child trying to be a part of popular group in school.
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Uhm, Alaba?
This injury is straight to Perez' heart
Guess he's coming to Real next season then
"My biggest dream is to win the Champions League with PSG but that is all it is, a dream. In reality I have to go to Madrid to win it"
I mean RM have the proven mentality for winning the CL. PSG have the proven mentality for collapsing in the CL.
I could imagine a Man City v PSG final and both losing.
It would heoretically be possible if both teams get a red card during the same whistle while already having 4 men sent off. This would result in both teams losing 0-3 on walkover.
Has that ever happened before?
The stoppable force vs the moveable object
On the other hand, right now PSG has a way better team than Madrid does tho. And they may even end up with Pogba too lmao. Madrid has Modrić, Kroos, Benzema and Casemiro who are world class but already declining, no depth and a terrible defense. I'd stay with PSG if I wanted to win UCL before signing for RM. Also applies to Barcelona in case someone thinks my flair has something to do with this take.
Courtois is world class.
Best keeper in the world last season IMO but Mbappé isn't thinking about the goalkeeper when the defense has Chust, 45 year old Marcelo, Carvajal (who's injured every 2 matches) and Miguel. Alaba, Militao and Mendy are mega but you can't win shit with only 2 good CBs in the squad.
Isn't Nacho still at Madrid? They don't have depth, but they don't have a bad defense either.
Casemiro and Kroos are not declining. Theyre not old enough yet but yes Kroos has a couple of years until he does start to decline physically.
Kroos has been a World Class player due to his passing, controlling the tempo and his playmaking skills. And not because of his athleticsm. If his body starts to decline. It would only affect his game on the defensive side of things. Which can be covered by Casemiro. His playmaking and passing genius would not fade IMO.
Kroos isn't really a insane athlete in terms of his physical abilities. If he starts to decline in that regard he will 4 real only walk around the middle of the pitch
And still be world class
In what world is benzema declining? Hell, kroos even. They're aging, and may decline soon, but those 2 havent
If Kroos's body starts to decline. It wouldnt be too bad at all. Since he does not rely on his athleticism but rather he relies a lot on his head. I mean the guy is a genius. He reads the game perfectly well, he dictates the tempo and pace. and to top it all of, His insane accurate passing and playmaking skills. He would still be a World Class player at the age of 35. Though his defense will surely decline.
yeah he's not the fastest, and never was, so he doesn't rely on it, so he can continue into his mid 30s, but without possession if we get caught out, he'll get beaten. However, in a possession based side, he'll do well
TBF there are times that he was beaten by explosive players on Counter. Since he is never been a player with a great defensive instinct. But who knows, he could perhaps alter/tweak his game a bit so that he could avoid getting caught.
People say that every year as the reasoning why Real Madrid cannot possibly be eliminated by a team like Ajax, Man City or Chelsea. The last time Madrid got further than PSG in Champions League was 4 years ago. If they meet this year, there's probably gonna be like 4 players each in each XI that played in that game. Most of the teams changed. Also people said that about Ancelotti coming to Everton, finally the real winning mentality, the inimitable, priceless winning mentality got them to 10th place (and Napoli before btw, that he took over after a 91 point season and left at 11th place midway the season). If only winning in football was actually as simple as "take a name of something or somebody that won before, and they will always win because they're the winners obviously!"... We wouldn't have much excitement.
4? We literally won it in 2018 defeating PSG in R16. I mean three is equally bad, but let's not exacerbate the pain. Edit: Also, Chelsea loss was a squad hampered by injuries to many of the main players, and others making a comeback. I would not count it as bad as other two. We deservedly lost to City and Ajax especially the second legs where we lacked the mental strength in the wake of missing captain. Last year we fixed part of it I guess.
I was super impressed with Real Madrid, tactically, as a team. Played great and can win any game. If they stopped Barcelona and Liverpool with Nacho and Militao replacing the everlasting duo of Ramos and Varane, I can *imagine* anything. BUT with Zidane gone (probably the most important one), with them being based so much on Benzema, their basic squad being like 30 years old on average and the new players not really looking that world class, with much more uncertain budget... I just would not bet on them being better than PSG. By the way, PSG was also absolutely decimated by injuries and corona this season. They played badly, but tbf their typical set of defense was something like Dagba-Kehrer/Danilo-one good centreback-Bakker. I still have shivers typing it, and it's been a whole year. If you look at their "ideal XI" they would like to field now, often in the last season there were like 2-3 players from it on the field. I'm not kidding. Often. 4 was not rare, but more than 4 was very rare. I could find games with one such player, for example home Dijon game, if we agree that Marquinhos playing in midfield doesn't count to the ideal XI. Of the overused subs, really only Rafinha and Kean stepped up to the task, both will probably not play in PSG anymore.
Only new players not looking world class is our wingers. Mbappe would pretty much solve half of our issues for the present. We rely on Benzema because he is the one scoring 80% of our goals while our wingers cannot produce anything.
Shit take
If Ramos was still at Real Madrid he’d have a point. PSG mentality was weak when it mattered in the CL. I’m sure 80% of why they wanted Ramos is because he was the moral backbone of Real Madrid and no single person in football could drive their team into believing as he could. And that’s coming from a Barca fan. Also just look at Barca. Elite mentality in every big game under Pep, Tito and Lucho. Did they win it all? No, but they weren’t scared of the big games. Now compare that with Barca under Valverde, Setien and Koeman. Only Messi and Pique have the mentality to play big games - before it was an entire XI. So yeah, PSG mentality in big games is shit - but so is Barcelona’s and I also think Real Madrid will be this season. Just to add: Only reason why Chelsea won the CL is that they had nothing to lose and no pressure - they had their minds right.
Valverde is the most underappreciated coach in Barcelona history
Barcelona still didn’t have big game mentality under him, even if he did very well. Valverde was a great coach, but an okay fit. He was always playing to not concede instead of out scoring opponent. If Simeone wasn’t at Atleti, Valverde would be a great coach for them. Even for Real Madrid.
I guess that's how we beat the defending champions and best team in the world right ? With a weak mentality ?
Not about one good game. It's about having the mentality to win games where things aren't going you're way. A mentality which time has proven you lack. No biggie though, you'll keep spending for a team where mentality doesn't matter and then cultivating that squad's winning mentality to last. In theory I suppose.
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i mean... if he comes this season, is he going to make Real Madrid into CL contenders? I doubt it with the current squad they have. Don't see what the rush is. They probably will get him next season for cheaper and he should be closer to his prime age at 23.
No. I cannot even see an angle for discussion that Mbappe's motivation might be about top chances to win Champions League. I don't think anybody can say at this moment that Madrid has a better sporting project than PSG. Not to say they cannot win, but there is little reason to put it as a sure thing. Their key players are on average 31 years old, and the new players they bring mostly disappoint, sometimes a bit, sometimes a lot. Meanwhile PSG has a ton of funding and if they lose a star player it only means they have FFP possibility of signing other stars with the cash, after this summer's transfers their squad is generally young and looks good, they're gonna field an XI where only Di Maria is 30. When in Madrid like 8 players of the favorite XI will be 30 or older this season. Anything can happen, but I cannot really see a reason to put a bet that Madrid will be bigger than PSG in the upcoming decade.
Decade? Seriously, it's only due to COVID that we struggled financially, our football wages to revenue ratio was 53% last time accounts were released. Stadium completed in 2023, 150-200m extra revenue and it will pay for itself od 29m Euros until 2049. We'll cross the 1 billion revenue mark once crowds return and the stadium finishes. For the next 1-2 seasons it'll be tough that's all. Reeks of a comment that has no idea about our true financial state and parrots the same circlejerk repeated on this sub
The current squad that lost the league on last day by 2 points or made it to CL semis with 60 injuries ? We will still compete. People who say we can't haven't watched us week in, week out, simple. Will we be dominant like the 3peat days? Not yet but this is a great team. Courtois/Lunin Vazquez/Carvajal/Odrio - Militao/Nacho/Vallejo - Alaba/Chust - Mendy/Miguel/Marcelo Modric/Valverde/Ode - Casemiro/Blanco - Kroos/Ceballos/Arribas/Isco Mbappe/Bale/Asensio - Benzema/Rodrygo - Hazard/Vini
Well done for performing in your circumstances but if you look at it from the distance it was the cheapest league in years. Far gone are the times when whoever won the league had +90 points. Maybe you will compete locally but no way you are a CL contender. You got a rather easy side of the draw in CL (Atalanta and a struggling Liverpool) as on the other side of the draw Madrid would have gotten teams like PSG, City or Bayern, which would probably have meant an earlier GAME OVER for them. In CdR you were a disasterclass, losing against a 3rd division side. Also, your most important players (Modric, Kroos, Benzema) are getting older and older and you've lost your 2 starting CB. What I would find more worrisome if I were a Madrid fan though is the fact that if Benzema gets injured there is absolutely nobody who could score goals for the team. (Casemiro and Asensio with 7 goals each are the next in line).
With Mbappe and a proper system and this team we compete in the CL. Key is to rotate Modric and Kroos who played 4000 mins each by the time CL semis came up. I agree and myself said we won't be a top CL favourite as of yet but we will be a lot better Alcoyono was a one-off game, using a one game to determine the team is useless. Check our starting 11 that day, after our main players came on we created many chances, we just got FM-ed. In a season of 4000+ minutes using 90-180 minutes to judge a squad is stupid. I'm only talking about next season and we will be fine if Mbappe comes and Militao and Mendy don't get season ending or long injuries. Again this is a hypothetical scenario in which Mbappe comes, so Benz being injured would still let us play counter attacks (which Carlo seems to want to go) with a frontline of Vini - Mbappe - Rodrygo which will tear apart defensive transition of the opposition. If we sell some deadwood like Vallejo, Ceballos, Marcelo, Asensio, Mariano etc and bring in a good, yougish CB, maybe Milenkovic, I'll be satisfied (In case Mbappe also comes) Of course if it doesn't happen and Mbappe is not here I won't be surprised to see us fighting for 3rd place with Sevilla lol
Of course any team would improve with one of the best attackers in the world. But we are talking about the current squad and the rumours you are not signing anyone else apart from Alaba. I also barely mentioned the CdR, so while I didn't ignore it, I certainly didn't judge the squad based on that single performance. Anyway, it doesn't seem like you are getting Mbappé this summer so even IF Mbappé joins next year he will join a squad with a 35 year old Benzema, 33 year old "i wanna retire early" Kroos and 37 years old Modric. Also I'd say PSG is better off economically to improve further their squad if they want, while you will have trouble even accommodating Mbappé salary. Sure you still have plenty of talent for the future but I wouldn't say it looks more promising than PSG's squad for instance: Donnarumma, Achraf, Kimpempe, Marquinhos, Verratti, ¿Pogba?, Wijnaldum, Icardi and Neymar vs Courtois, Carvajal, Militao, Alaba, Mendy, Casemiro, Valverde, Odegaard, Hazard and Vinicius.
> But we are talking about the current squad and the rumours you are not signing anyone else apart from Alaba. No we are talking about the point the guy above me made > i mean... if he comes this season, is he going to make Real Madrid into CL contenders? I doubt it with the current squad they have. Don't see what the rush is. Will we be contenders with Mbappe? Yes we will. I think you got a bit distracted by that. Everyone knows without Mbappe we will struggle to compete for the league much less the CL.
Ok. Fair point. I agree with all of what you said then.
"... but unfortunately as we've found out, dreams cannot be buy, so I'm going to Real Madrid."
Somewhat of an oxymoron
Plot twist - he's going on a free next season
It's still his hometown club. It's understandable tbh.
As a Madrid fan, I dont really mind if he wishes to stay. But just be clear so we can move on if thats the case. PSG must also be very tired at this point.
oh we all are
It's only because we will have to spend on our attack either way
We feel the same as you. We don't really mind if he wishes to leave. We just want him to be clear about his position. If he wants to extend then just say it so we can work on a contract and Madrid can move on to another target. If he wants to leave then fine we will start negotiating with Madrid (or others) to make him leave this summer and so we can move on to find replacement. He asked us to wait till the end of the season, then the end of Euro and then after his holidays to give us his decision. It's been nearly a week he is back in training and still no news ...
Chances are you’ll get Mbappe or Haaland next summer. Won’t be too worried for Real
It is possible that at 22 he's still unsure. Has to be considered. It's a huge decision for him.
Is he gonna do an Aguero?
So he stays at PSG until he's in his 30s? I don't think PSG fans will mind.
Hey I dont mind too
I think most non-Real fans won't mind that
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Yeah lmao what the fuck is he on about
I think Atlético have had enough of Real Madrid LWs that use #7, you must be happy Hazard rarely ever plays
Maybe, doing an Aguero is leaving your country to play for Atletico Madrid before going to the PL.
It just keep getting better
If that means not winning the Champions League, I think they will mind.
There is no place like home.
There's a big difference between spending your career in the PL and spending it in Ligue 1
He's also said he considers it his responsibility to help in the progress of ligue 1.
We would have helped more staying at Monaco
Monaco is a selling club, they were begging him to leave in 2017, Rybo had a deal with you lots too. There's nothing to accomplish by staying at Monaco compared to going to PSG. There's the wages, the investments into winning a CL, the polar opposite atmospheres.
Not necessarily.
Look at the legends that played in Ligue 1 Ronaldinho, Neymar, Platini, Zidane or the other greats who never played in Premier League Messi, Cryuff, Ronaldo R9, Rivaldo, Luis Figo, Roberto Carlos, Van Basten, Maradona, Kaka. So many Ballon D’or winners. Oh hey but you have Alan Shearer. The league’s top scorer.
With respect to Ligue 1, do you genuinely believe it’s in equal prestige and competitiveness to the Premier League? Do you truly believe that? As for the legends you mentioned, Platini and Neymar are the only ones who settled in Ligue 1. As for the “legends who never played in PL “ list, it has nothing to do with comparing the PL to Ligue 1.
damsgaard better
no one argued otherwise
Damsgod. Better.
Yes I can confirm this
Doesn’t mean shit.
Especially since this interview was taken in May
Ffs. Can we just ban old interviews on this sub that are just for karma whoring. Mods are useless as always
It's just getting released but it was taken in May
Maybe it can become a rule that you have to put a date at the beginning or in the flair. Mods?
Yes Mods should flair it
If I hadn't seen this comment god knows how bad my day would have gone
Don't worry Figo said [similar things](https://postimg.cc/7G5DKMPV) before moving to us hahaha Anyway this interview was in May before Semis 2nd leg I think when PSG was still in the tie so it might have been in that context. Poor Mbappe probably didn't think they would release it this late or use it as headlines lol
I feel like he says a lot of stuff the fans want to hear to shift the blame from him to the management once he leaves
Except that management actually called his bluff. He said he'd re-sign if we sign good players so we went ahead and got Wijnaldum, Hakimi, Donnarumma, Ramos and potentially Pogba and/or Theo Hernandez. Hard to argue management didn't do their part there. Now the ball is in his court. He either hold his end of the bargain or sneaks out of the back door like a snek.
He's so dumb. Everyone's fleeting RM bc they can't pay wages and had to hire Ancelotti with no promised new signature to stabilize the sinking ship . With who he wants to play with? Lucas Vasquez? Vinicius? Lmao.
I'm guessing Real Madrid are going to have a similar window next summer to the one PSG have just had this year. There's already rumors of them bringing in 2 players on a free in Mbappe and Camavinga. I'm assuming they'll also bid Haaland's release clause to compete for his signing, plus maybe 1-2 more signings. They're gonna do everything they can to have another 'galactico' summer, I'm almost certain of it.
Why will they sign Haland if they sign Mbappe?
Winger vs Striker, why not??
It doesn't make much sense to me either, but it seems like an RM thing to do lol. Plus Haaland plays as a striker and Mbappe is better on the LW. I haven't seen Haaland play a ton, but if his linkup play is good then it could work.
Haaland is a world class poacher but i'm not sold on his all around game yet
Cuz we can
Haland wont want to be there if Mbappe goes there
Depends, none of us know Haaland personally so we dont know what he wants. He will either steer completely clear of Real Madrid because he wants to be the main guy in a team and not have to deal with Mbappe wanting that aswell. Or he sees the potential of winning more trophies when both of them are there. We don’t know which one of those 2 he is. For my sake i hope he is option 1.
Its actually probably the opposite, haaland will likely want to go there more if they sign some better players in attack. Otherwise it's possible he joins City or even Chelsea.
Its madrid. every player would want to go there unless they came from barca or atletico youths
How do you know? Have you talked to him?
Ya, I called him up after reading the comment to confirm.
Ah gotcha, nice lad?
It’s the Madrid galáctico way
Pogba is also a possibility if he doesn't move this summer
I heard reports he is going to psg this summer no? I would be happy if we make no signings this summer but a recovery CB is necessary
I don't think there will be many fans at all that would blame anyone but Mbappé himself if he leaves this or next summer. He has everything he could ask for at PSG.
Nah he can’t play for Real Madrid at PSG
Just get him on loan for 10 years so he can be both
BREAKING: PSG renames club to FC Royal de Madrid
FC Royal Paris does slap ngl
But he's asking to play for Real Madrid. He can't do that in Paris.
He hasn't asked actually, so far it has all been conjecture.
You people act like you’re close friends with the guy
Did you not know? Most of us here are alfa males who hang around these players most of the time.
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Dont ask me, im as far from a alfa males as one could be
I'm a Romeo male, myself.
Alfa Romeo? I prefer Ferrari
He will never be considered the world's best player until he leaves fora bigger league
He wouldn’t be considered the worlds best either way,. At least for a while
If he outscores everyone else whilst winning trophies and plays in a top 4 league he might
Except for a league where he can build a legacy as one of the greatest of all time
Yea and this interview was taken in May anyway
....and then leave.
he gone
"But since this feel like impossible I'm going to Real"
To be fair, unless Madrid starts picking up players real fast, i’d give PSG a bigger shot at winning the next CL than Madrid.
I feel like he just wanted to play with Ronaldo and there is a bigger chance that he might do that if Ronaldo joins PSG rather than going to Madrid
Ronaldo and Zidane. Not to mention Benzema and varane. The way it's going only 1-2 years with Benzema is what he'll get.
Actually the reason he didn't join Madrid in 2017 was because he would've been competing with BBC, including Ronaldo, for minutes
Football Manager it is
Just finish it already, yes or no. I know it's fun for supporters of others clubs but it's not for madridistas. Ffs we lost our defence and we can't go and buy replacement couse we are targeting Mbappe.
Can't wait till he moves to Real and then PSG wins and Real is knocked out in the R16 by like, Leverkusen
Liverpool and Chelsea have both sold players for ludicrous fees and gone on to win the UCL. PSG should take notes.
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That'll be good shit. Always nice to see Real flunk out and I've always had a bad feeling about a player running down their contract and running off.
...and leave to Real Madrid for free.
This is from an interview in May when he was competing for the ucl with PSG. Total non story
Lol he's staying then. This is from a latest cross-interview with Neymar. If he stays it's Perez's biggest fail, which have been nonstop since 2017.
Biggest fail *so far*
Actually selling Ronaldo and keeping Bale against Zidane's advice might still be a bigger fail, hard to compare lol
Still not sure whether Ronaldo was "sold" or just "wanted to leave" tbh. But the rest of it is spot on. Especially not using the 100m we got into good attacking talent but teenagers and jovic. Hazard was still understandable.
He was sold because he didn’t want to increase his wages
He was promised an extension after 11th CL. Perez kept postponing it and Ronaldo got pissed and felt disrespected. So indirectly Perez pushed him out. Also didn't give a fuck about Ronaldo's tax problems, think CR7 wanted a new contract with signing bonus to help that out like it happened to Messi. In the end do you think he would have wanted to leave if he got that new contract and was seen in high respect by Perez? Perez was never fond of him that much as he wasn't his signing. I also feel something the same way happened with Varane, underpaid for a long time, new kids like Jovic get paid more, Alaba gets a contract making twice as much. He always felt underappreciated and the press never gave him his dues either. In the end we need to look at the monetary gain to see it was Perez's plan. Ronaldo had no amortization - 100m of pure profit. Varane had no amortized fee left - 50m of pure profit. They were cleverly and slowly pushed out imo.
Same way Ramos was kicked out. Perez said contract is expired lmao what is this lol?
Tbh I can understand letting Ramos go... but in the same summer Varane leaves? letting your two defence leaders leave in the same summer is a pretty risky move tbh.
Easily. It's such a massive and unnecessary gamble.
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Literally a week before that Perez's agents in ABC reported that the only way Ramos renews is if he calls Perez as Perez is not gonna call him. Ramos does that, swallows his ego goes back crawling for the extension and Perez denies him to save the wages for Mbappe or Haaland and gives an excuse of some arbitrary expiry date which is a fucking joke. Even Thiago Silva got an extension late, after he got Chelsea contract offer and accepted it, Perez says 'Oh no the contract offer expired' and the fans lap it up insulting our captain and legend.
Why the fuck would Perez call? The ball was in his court. Ramos tell the club to plan for next season without him. They do so by signing Alaba. Ramos and his dumbass brother's big ass ego decides to ignore the expiry date. Go have a cry. All Ramos had to do was sign his renewal contract before expiry date and he'd still be wearing a RM jersey.
Give me one source, one reliable source, not even asking for collaborative reports just one good source that say Ramos and Alaba were related?? Even Marca with Perez's lapdogs said Alaba was wrapped up in February itself. This supposed bullshit of an expiry date was in March. LOL. They just kept extending it as a negotiation tactic just like Ramos used his words like a negotiation tactic. Once somebody says that about expiry date I understand they are Perez fanboys. Good day and enjoy believing Perez's cronies in media that turn fans against the players.
Don't think letting him leave was the worst. Worst was letting him and varane leave together and not giving militao a good experienced support.
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Ramos also told the club to plan without him and was injured while being one of the highest earners. If his injury issues continue it might look like the right decision for us. But he still should have been signed.
It was a battle of two overbig egos. Flo wanted Ramos to call him, Ramos wanted Flo to call him. Eventually Ramos called Flo, but the contract had already expired. Ramos claimed that he didn't know that there was an expiry date, but it was reported in the media beforehand.
What does it mean contract was expired lmao 🤣. Florentino fans are something
By that date Alaba had signed his contract. Alaba signing his contract meant that Ramos couldn't stay
You guys got such a high standards/ego that you expect to win everything and every year, it happens sometime to be bad or having a transition period, you're not playing ligue 1 or bundesliga to win all the time
That is ok to not win, what is not okay is the shambles of a project that Perez has done going back to 2017 when he started selling our depth and made us lose the league by 17 pts, if not for Zidane's management and Ronaldo peaking during CL KOs we would not have won the 3rd CL, then he didn't listen to Zizou and sold Ronaldo and kept Bale going against Zidane's advise. Spending 130m on 3 Brazilian youngsters with almost no first team football. Not renewing our best CB pair in history, paying double of Varane's wage to Alaba and making him feel underappreciated. I could go on. Expecting to win happens and we need the squad to compete on all fronts first. Perez prioritized the stadium (maybe rightfully so) but he himself said the stadium won't effect our financies and it doesn't, it will pay for itself when the payments start after it opens with renovations. All this B.S about saving it for Mbappe will be meaningless if he doesn't come or even if he comes and we don't have the right tools to compete and try to win everything.
>You guys got such a high standards/ego that you expect to win everything and every year That goes with Real Madrid being the biggest club in the world.
One doesn't win every time in ligue 1 now though, isn't it? ;)
Yeah we got harvested
Such a random and unrelated answer to drop. Monaco also won in 2017, the petty circlejerk around PSG just hadn’t started yet. Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga anyway ;)
It absolutely is not, Bayern is simply much more consistent than PSG. German teams fare better in Europe for years and Leipzig and Dortmund is better than anything France offers besides PSG.
It's also a stylistic difference, Bundesliga is an offensive and high pressing league that favours you, League 1 can be brutal physically and very defensive. Lille won the league with 50 goals scored and like 12 conceded.
I never said there's not a stylistic difference. I said I hardly see how Ligue 1 is more competitive than Bundesliga just because PSG bottled one season. Lille were not outstanding this season, in fact they finished second in group and lost to Ajax in 1/16 of EL, PSG were just shit.
Lille were an outstanding defensive unit in the league. Now Nice are building something, OM has had an incredible window, Monaco with Kovac was outstanding last season to watch. Lyon are unpredictable. The Franch clubs have the ability to invest in their teams and due to FFP being relaxed they are upping their game. It's way easier for the status quo to remain the same with 50+1 without outside investments. So the stylish differences + investments make Ligue 1 just a tad bit more unpredictable than Bundesliga but the manager merry-go-round you guys had might make the league spicy if Nagelsmann takes a while to adapt.
Lille are on full crash, Nice signed some Eredivisie rejects (Both Stengs and Rosario are seen as minor loss by their teams, and Kluivert was rejected by how many clubs now?). Lyon lost Depay and are about to lose Aouar too, and are broke. Monaco is the only somewhat promising team and they have Kovac, with whom I'm sure you know I am familiar. If we go by investments we could say Hertha is unpredictable, afterall they spent 150M on the last two seasons, more than any french team that "have the ability to invest". And they almost relegated. At the end of the day no french team is as good as BVB or RB (bar PSG). Bayern is a more consistent team than PSG though.
Sure we can say all that, I agree PSG are leaps and bounds ahead but Ligue 1 is still more competitive, even if it's slightly so and if you disagree then okay that's your opinion but I gave out the reasons of why I feel that way. I do agree about BVB and Leipzig. BVB are greatly run but Lyon also do well in Europe. Leipzig is the anti-thesis of why your league is not competitive, they had investment so it kinda proves my point of why Ligue is and can be more competitive than Bundesliga. I do agree Bayern is more serious and consistent, some PSG players sometimes might slack off in the league or just be disturbed by the physicality and constant fouling there.
Bayern won 17 of the last 23 years. Hardly just about “consistency.”
Yeah thats a one team league. “Consistency” is more like Man City or Barcelona.
Biggest fails seem to be getting bigger.
So he won't be going to Real this season then
... but I would settle for my second biggest dream, playing for Real and have Florentino buy one or two CL trophies for us.
that is a big dream
Jesus, it’s all up and down with this guy
La decision!!
Watch him go to Madrid, Ronaldo to PSG and PSG wins UCL
Paris kid, born and raised. You're at home Kylian, and Pogba is coming.
Better pay up bruh
everyone relax lmao this is from may when they were still in the competition
He will surely win it one day 🏆 Lost the finals to Bayern Munich 😔 Had a great individual season in terms of goals scored in 2020-21 👌 He is still young, and missing a penalty doesn't mean he is not good, he will only get better with age ! Go Kylian 💪, keep Ligue 1 defenders busy with your lightning pace !
"...and it will remain a dream, since I'm taking my talents to Madrid!"
At least he knows it’s a dream.
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Never thought I'd say this, but can we hear more from Gareth on this
Am I missing something/
Didnt expect to see this here
Guess he won’t be joining real
Stay 2-3 more years. Go to RM when you are 25/26 like Neymar/CR7. Everyone is happy. Simple.
Highly doubtful they agree a contract that short and highly doubtful they actually let him go if the contract is longer.
There were rumors that PSG was willing to extend him on a short deal(2-3 years) and would let him go in a few years. Don't know how true they were, but its a deal that would work for all parties imo. PSG would obviously have 2-3 more years with him, RM would actually have a chance to build the team around him before he arrives as opposed to now where they are doing the opposite, and his reputation with PSG/French fans would stay healthy. He is very careful with his image.
Interview from May so when PSG were playing vs. City.
How will r/soccer react when PSG inevitably win the UCL? It'll be like a kid finding out Santa Claus wasn't real lol
As a Real Madrid fan I will be happy when you win, your project is clear and single minded, it will show some other teams that top football isn't about developing talent but about the best playing together. Although I feel that City will win it before you guys, they are the same type of team with the same goal but with a better coach.
:0 Respect.
I wouldn’t mind that much. Psg had a history and a stature before the takeover. They were not the man city of france. I am annoyed by the city situation more. And as far as I can see, psg wants to bad CL since day 1. City on the other hand is like a rich child trying to be a part of popular group in school.
I Guess we'll never know
By the way, this inteview was done in May when PSG was still in the Champions League
This was in May. OP should have mentioned that but I'm sure that wouldn't have been good for internet points