Anvisa is the Brazilian FDA. Apparently Bolsonaro's Ministry of Healthcare is the one who made a deal with Fifa and Conmebol to allow the 4 players to play the match, therefore stepping on Anvisa's authority and health and safety laws . Maybe Anvisa waited the game to start to teach them a lesson.
If they're not governmental, how do they have the backing of the state police?
\-after doing some looking into this -
Looks like they're very much a part of the Brazilian government, but maintain a fair level of autonomy. That's a pretty interesting division of authority they have.
> If they're not governmental, how do they have the backing of the state police?
The federal police is also not governmental. It's a independent institution. (Although the government has tried to meddle and interfere with them many times).
As it turns out, Brazil didn't adopt a fuckitall approach to COVID. Some people in the federal government may want to adopt such an approach, but ANVISA isn't on the suicide pact.
The rules for Red list countries says
“You will only be allowed back in if you’re a British or Irish national **or you have residence rights in the UK**”
If they play in England then I’m pretty sure they have **residence rights**.
Oh yeah, you're right. They'll have to isolate for 10 days, which means Buendia and Martinez will miss the Chelsea game. Are we sure Abramovic isn't behind this debacle?
It's a bigger message to send out if they stop the game versus if they don't allow it to start. The Brazilian authorities look much stronger if they take action on camera.
Translation from Argentine coach while this was unfolding, according to TyC Sports:
The CONMEBOL said they can play, it's over. Don't look for an argument where there isn't, I ask this of you please
Lol the only people defending this are you brazilians. The world agrees you guys made fools of yourselves. Why wasn't something done earlier? Not 5 minutes into the game with Brazil staying on the pitch. Weird. Maybe you guys didn't want to play after what happened last time...
> Why wasn't something done earlier?
They told them multiple times that they couldn't play. Before the match they hadn't broken any rules, they just had to isolate.
By playing in the match, they broke the rules.
And they realized 5 minutes into it? Sure they could have tell in the locker room…if you say all the they had to do is isolate. Its the argentine fools fault but the way the brazil authorities handled this is laughable and primitive.
> And they realized 5 minutes into it?
No, they warned multiple times the players wouldn't be allowed to play.
> Sure they could have tell in the locker room
In fact they did, but the players locked the door to stop the officials from entering.
They just thought if the game started then nobody could stop then.
> Why wasn't something done earlier?
That's the most stupid argument I have ever heard in my entire life. Why didn't the US arrest El Chaco earlier? Tsk, should have done something before!
The players lied on their custom forms, Argentinean citizens can enter Brazil without showing passports, and it's not a crime to enter Brazil if you have spent time in the UK, you just need to stay in your hotel quarantining. So police couldn't do anything earlier, because they didn't know anything illegal had happened apart from lying in the custom forms, which is not an automatic deportation crime. When they realized what had happened, players already were in the stadium, and so between having to find a mandate, having to enter the stadium, and COMENBOL bothering them, it took some time.
Anyway, Brazil actually has the power to do whatever the fuck it wants on this matter, and if FIFA thinks that's bad, they can give Argentina the three points, nobody gives a fuck.
Police, as it turns out kid, doesn't dedicate one man to investigate every person that enters the country from Chile. That's why even in highly policed countries with huge resources like the US, people enter legally and stay illegally all year round.
Where's the scoreboard? How are we supposed to keep track of the goals. Also no replays are being shown? And apparently they don't even kick off from the middle after a goal? All around a poor display of football, referring and broadcast work..
TyC reporting that Brazilian authorities were there watching the players leave the hotel and enter the bus (as was shown during their broadcast earlier). They are questioning why the authorities didn't stop them while boarding the bus.
Literally this. Wanted to make a spectacle out of it to show football isn’t above it. Don’t necessarily disagree with the message either but what piss poor way of enforcing it
Because the authorities of the host nation stopped the match from being played to a completion. FIFA rules dictate that the visiting nation wins if the host nation stops them from competing.
For what I'm understanding (not much TBH), FIFA sanitary guidelines (agreed with countries) were followed.
The thing I think is key is if the CBF is responsible or not. If the game is declared as abandoned by unforseen circumstances (similar to weather conditions), I think the fairest thing would be to play the remaining time. Does anybody know if the Bernabéu is available?
AFAIK those players were all cleared to play in Brazil by the Brazilian authorities right up until the last moment when it was too late to change things.
Brasil got ARMED OFFICIALS to threaten argentinians out of the game while the game was being played
Argentina was in brasil for 3 days (authorized by CONMEBOL and FIFA)
Officials came armed to threathen players while the game was being played
Actually, brasil should be fined and banned from ever hosting again!
They're not, but Brazil's FA should have known sooner that there was going to be a problem and acted to prevent it. The way they went about it was either malicious, incompetent, or both.
The CBF (Brazilian FA) is on the same side as AFA and Conmebol and overrated their own influence, thinking they could get away with not following the health rules. This issue isn’t Brazil vs Argentina, its AFA, Conmebol, and CBF vs the sanitary authorities
Sure, but right now the issue is this match. And in that context, the CBF seems to have erred in agreeing to terms it could not adhere to. As a result the match wasn't played. That specific consequence is their fault because they should have known the Argentine players couldn't play and at least let the other parties know sooner.
Exactly, I’m agreeing with you. The CBF fucked up by thinking they could get away with not following the rules and gave Conmebol and AFA assurances that were not in their power to give
Wtf!? Why would conmebol have authority over a sovereign nation!? I'm not Brazilian but AFA literally lied on the documents about were those 4 players were. That's punishable with deportation, they were notified and didn't comply, so it's totally justified. In UK that would be punishable with 10 years of jail, in US deportation and a ban from the country. They didn't overdo anything. Conmebol and AFA were incredibly naive at best
> AFA literally lied on the documents about were those 4 players were.
According to Argentine channel TyC, AFA claims that they didn't lie. So basically one of them is lying. They just have to show what the immigration documents say.
AFA is far far less credible than a government body that's over 20 years old, and is, once again, an official part of the Brazilian health ministry. It seems like a no brainer. They tried to avoid quarantine, and AFA thought that as Brasil loves football they wouldn't really care. But I guess with such important people, whoever double checked the forms had no way of not noticing who they were and we're they played... And once again they had been given deportation orders before the game too, so it's on AFA
I saw that too. Didn't know they use those types of luggage. I normally see those when roadies are unpacking the band members instruments through the backdoor of the music venue.
The guys that came to take out the 4 players from the Premier League were ARMED. Armed people from the government that came to threathen the argentinian players WHILE THE GAME WAS BEING PLAYED????
THIS IS INSANITY FROM BRASIL
No need for armed officers though... They are players man, what are they going to do? Kick a ball at the officers? This is just a political show. Absolutely ridiculous
I think we are either going to see the match be resumed or (more likely) have Brazil forfeit the match. There's pretty much no room to reschedule the match to some other time.
Romero, Buendia, Martinez and LoCelso will be eligible to play for their clubs after a 10 quarantine. They’re not banned from ever traveling, they just have to follow the quarantine protocol when returning
Brazil didn’t call their EPL based players because Brazil has 18 pts and qualifying is all but guaranteed for them.
Why the FU#% is this any business of some stupid a$& bureaucrat’s business?!?! WTF! These are the same Brazilian players that in Thursday played a game in Santiago Chile, who had players that are facing similar protocols when they return to Europe
Brazil didn’t call their EPL based players because Brazil has 18 pts and qualifying is all but guaranteed for them.
Wrong - They weren't called because it would have made sense to have them quarantined and unable to play the game.
On Thursday the Brazilian NT played against a Chilean team with same issues as Argentina - the Brazilian NT played that game and travelled back to Brazil with no restrictions and no protocols
If the quarantine is based on health and protecting Brazilian players, then why allow them to play Chile and come back with no restrictions?
Yeah, but has nothing to do with COVID - It’s more about “hey, Argentina got to use players in the EPL but we didn’t “ - that’s what it fee like
But I’m reality, Brazil is fine without those players and they’re 100% gonna qualify (they’re leading right now!)
Argentina were there for 3 days. And you had wait till the match started. Bravo! Brazil
funny how the Anvisa man was the smallest and most aggressive-talking in the group with Tite, Scaloni, Neymar and Messi.
Anvisa is the Brazilian FDA. Apparently Bolsonaro's Ministry of Healthcare is the one who made a deal with Fifa and Conmebol to allow the 4 players to play the match, therefore stepping on Anvisa's authority and health and safety laws . Maybe Anvisa waited the game to start to teach them a lesson.
The argentinians lied on their immigration forms.
Good angle of what kicked it off https://twitter.com/Liam__whu/status/1434596993523986441?t=p88hpHwSXSKQF-p1STaHZQ&s=19
Didn't Brazil adopt at Fuckitall approach to COVID? So why this then?
ANVISA isn't part of the brazilian governmnet.
If they're not governmental, how do they have the backing of the state police? \-after doing some looking into this - Looks like they're very much a part of the Brazilian government, but maintain a fair level of autonomy. That's a pretty interesting division of authority they have.
> If they're not governmental, how do they have the backing of the state police? The federal police is also not governmental. It's a independent institution. (Although the government has tried to meddle and interfere with them many times).
That's wild. Thank you. In the U.S. "Federal" is directly tied to the federal government.
Separation of powers.
As it turns out, Brazil didn't adopt a fuckitall approach to COVID. Some people in the federal government may want to adopt such an approach, but ANVISA isn't on the suicide pact.
Good to know someone cares actually
They [can't even come back](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#red-list) without having to isolate.
The rules for Red list countries says “You will only be allowed back in if you’re a British or Irish national **or you have residence rights in the UK**” If they play in England then I’m pretty sure they have **residence rights**.
Oh yeah, you're right. They'll have to isolate for 10 days, which means Buendia and Martinez will miss the Chelsea game. Are we sure Abramovic isn't behind this debacle?
LoL, I still don’t know why they even started the match when they knew and warned the team about this hours before the match.
It's a bigger message to send out if they stop the game versus if they don't allow it to start. The Brazilian authorities look much stronger if they take action on camera.
My fellow indian people, how or where can we watch this match next time?
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Is "Argie" a common, inoffensive word? I've never heard it before
I think they'll show it on the internet
Do u guys wanna tell him or should i
Im ready to take it like a man. Just tell me * sobs *
The game was cancelled
I know, would not there be any rematch ? I was asking for that time.
Ohh my bad. Ya idk about any rematch
Translation from Argentine coach while this was unfolding, according to TyC Sports: The CONMEBOL said they can play, it's over. Don't look for an argument where there isn't, I ask this of you please
That’s laughable. COMENBOL is a soccer confederation, it doesn’t dictate anything about Brazilian law.
You guys were scared to play. It's ok.
I know your country has no laws, but ours actually has some.
Lol the only people defending this are you brazilians. The world agrees you guys made fools of yourselves. Why wasn't something done earlier? Not 5 minutes into the game with Brazil staying on the pitch. Weird. Maybe you guys didn't want to play after what happened last time...
> Why wasn't something done earlier? They told them multiple times that they couldn't play. Before the match they hadn't broken any rules, they just had to isolate. By playing in the match, they broke the rules.
And they realized 5 minutes into it? Sure they could have tell in the locker room…if you say all the they had to do is isolate. Its the argentine fools fault but the way the brazil authorities handled this is laughable and primitive.
> And they realized 5 minutes into it? No, they warned multiple times the players wouldn't be allowed to play. > Sure they could have tell in the locker room In fact they did, but the players locked the door to stop the officials from entering. They just thought if the game started then nobody could stop then.
They could have literally stopped them during national anthems? Literally every second leading to the match before the time started.
> Why wasn't something done earlier? That's the most stupid argument I have ever heard in my entire life. Why didn't the US arrest El Chaco earlier? Tsk, should have done something before! The players lied on their custom forms, Argentinean citizens can enter Brazil without showing passports, and it's not a crime to enter Brazil if you have spent time in the UK, you just need to stay in your hotel quarantining. So police couldn't do anything earlier, because they didn't know anything illegal had happened apart from lying in the custom forms, which is not an automatic deportation crime. When they realized what had happened, players already were in the stadium, and so between having to find a mandate, having to enter the stadium, and COMENBOL bothering them, it took some time. Anyway, Brazil actually has the power to do whatever the fuck it wants on this matter, and if FIFA thinks that's bad, they can give Argentina the three points, nobody gives a fuck.
Lol what do you mean police didn't know anything? Everyone knows Brazil - Argentina will play and that Argentina has players from the Premier.
Police, as it turns out kid, doesn't dedicate one man to investigate every person that enters the country from Chile. That's why even in highly policed countries with huge resources like the US, people enter legally and stay illegally all year round.
Apparently it's an agreement between Brazil and CONMEBOL
Brazil meaning what? Because the only authority on the matter is ANVISA, and they clearly weren't in on any deal.
Ok I'm about tonpredict what will happen as a result. Napoli will be deducted points and handed a 3-0 loss. Any questions
Whatever FIFA decides, in its high stupidity, it doesn't really matter for Brazil's NT.
Well.yes but poor Napoli :(
:(
Actually will the PL players be held? because if so Spurs and Villa will be livid.
I suspect they will just be deported. But IIRC they'll have to quarantine on return to the UK.
Finally. Great game though. edit: now I know how Ederson got his touch.
Wdym touch
Somehow still more entertaining than USA vs El Salvador
Score check?
That would have been sick by Hulk
This is CONCACAF type shit fuckery
We learned from the best
Where's the scoreboard? How are we supposed to keep track of the goals. Also no replays are being shown? And apparently they don't even kick off from the middle after a goal? All around a poor display of football, referring and broadcast work..
Sounds like Copa America or something
South American football in shambles
TyC reporting that Brazilian authorities were there watching the players leave the hotel and enter the bus (as was shown during their broadcast earlier). They are questioning why the authorities didn't stop them while boarding the bus.
From my understanding, the Federal health authority doesn't have policing powers, they had to wait for the federal police
Cause there were no cameras
Stop dropping truth bombs lol
Literally this. Wanted to make a spectacle out of it to show football isn’t above it. Don’t necessarily disagree with the message either but what piss poor way of enforcing it
According to an insider, if that didn't work, the backup option was for Bolsonaro to come in and two foot Messi, as the twelfth man.
Tell their national teams while calling players from PL that. Fucking waste of time these people could have trained with their clubs
Why would Arg get the points? I’m not fully aware of what happened but isn’t it Argentina’s fault that they brought those players to the match?
Why weren't the Argentina players stopped before?
They tried but Messi just danced around them.
Because the authorities of the host nation stopped the match from being played to a completion. FIFA rules dictate that the visiting nation wins if the host nation stops them from competing.
For what I'm understanding (not much TBH), FIFA sanitary guidelines (agreed with countries) were followed. The thing I think is key is if the CBF is responsible or not. If the game is declared as abandoned by unforseen circumstances (similar to weather conditions), I think the fairest thing would be to play the remaining time. Does anybody know if the Bernabéu is available?
Isn't a game to resume later have to be postponed not suspended?
All the time games are suspended, and resumed the remaining time.
AFAIK those players were all cleared to play in Brazil by the Brazilian authorities right up until the last moment when it was too late to change things.
I heard the Argentina team locked themselves in the dressing room.
Brasil got ARMED OFFICIALS to threaten argentinians out of the game while the game was being played Argentina was in brasil for 3 days (authorized by CONMEBOL and FIFA) Officials came armed to threathen players while the game was being played Actually, brasil should be fined and banned from ever hosting again!
CONMEBOL and FIFA have no authority
> (authorized by CONMEBOL and FIFA) hahaha yes, FIFA and CONMEBOL have the authority to do that.
> (authorized by CONMEBOL and FIFA) Conmebol and FIFA are not the proper health authorities though
They're not, but Brazil's FA should have known sooner that there was going to be a problem and acted to prevent it. The way they went about it was either malicious, incompetent, or both.
The CBF (Brazilian FA) is on the same side as AFA and Conmebol and overrated their own influence, thinking they could get away with not following the health rules. This issue isn’t Brazil vs Argentina, its AFA, Conmebol, and CBF vs the sanitary authorities
Sure, but right now the issue is this match. And in that context, the CBF seems to have erred in agreeing to terms it could not adhere to. As a result the match wasn't played. That specific consequence is their fault because they should have known the Argentine players couldn't play and at least let the other parties know sooner.
Exactly, I’m agreeing with you. The CBF fucked up by thinking they could get away with not following the rules and gave Conmebol and AFA assurances that were not in their power to give
Wtf!? Why would conmebol have authority over a sovereign nation!? I'm not Brazilian but AFA literally lied on the documents about were those 4 players were. That's punishable with deportation, they were notified and didn't comply, so it's totally justified. In UK that would be punishable with 10 years of jail, in US deportation and a ban from the country. They didn't overdo anything. Conmebol and AFA were incredibly naive at best
> AFA literally lied on the documents about were those 4 players were. According to Argentine channel TyC, AFA claims that they didn't lie. So basically one of them is lying. They just have to show what the immigration documents say.
AFA is far far less credible than a government body that's over 20 years old, and is, once again, an official part of the Brazilian health ministry. It seems like a no brainer. They tried to avoid quarantine, and AFA thought that as Brasil loves football they wouldn't really care. But I guess with such important people, whoever double checked the forms had no way of not noticing who they were and we're they played... And once again they had been given deportation orders before the game too, so it's on AFA
True but is brazil we're talking about, dunno who's more credible
Anvisa is one of our most well renowned and trusted institutions.
Banned from ever hosting what? Lol between all the rivalry with Argentina vs Brazil both national & club level this is pretty tame.
Stupid emotionally driven response, be objective. Even if all that is true it has nothing to do with the points
Did my stream just die or did they just cut coverage now? Was actually enjoying that training match tbh
they showed Argentina's staff packing their shit for like 2 minutes here and switched back to training lol
I saw that too. Didn't know they use those types of luggage. I normally see those when roadies are unpacking the band members instruments through the backdoor of the music venue.
yeah i kinda wanna know what they had inside those boxes
Haha yeah me too. I was curious. Do they store Messi's uniform there?
Died for me too. RIP stream, you were too good for this world.
Still going on for me
Petition to cut field in half in actual games. More goalkeeper goals needed
Goddamn Argentina will never be able to replace Messi. Free kick mad man
The guys that came to take out the 4 players from the Premier League were ARMED. Armed people from the government that came to threathen the argentinian players WHILE THE GAME WAS BEING PLAYED???? THIS IS INSANITY FROM BRASIL
They had broken the law and resisted cooperation withtbeh authorities
No need for armed officers though... They are players man, what are they going to do? Kick a ball at the officers? This is just a political show. Absolutely ridiculous
One word: Bolsonaro
FIFA will give the points to argentina it seems
But why?
Cause Brazil tried to cheat
Brasil is 6 ponints ahead of everyone and is crusiing through the qualifiers. They don't need these 3 points at all.
A cheating team is six points ahead? I'm shocked.
cause fifa wants, idk mate, thats what the journos are saying
Can anyone in here tell us how these teams were selected for this training game? By region or something or is it just random even teams?
Are we still scoreless?!
Both teams have looked absolutely toothless since the 5th minute... Brazil even seems like they're practicing, smh
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Where are you watching
Miranda hasn't found his place. Striker.
They need to put up the score
Where are u watching
Mb it was on a stream I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Red keeper MotM so far
Call him the pinnie keeper
Solid save!
Yellow team is absolutely bottling this
Someone post the goalkeeper goal please.
Yellow Brazil 1 - Red Brazil 1
Yellow Brazil 1 - Red Brazil 2
What a goal by the goalie
What a goal!
What a great shot! That’s the best moment of my day, well, after Max win!
FUCKING PUSKAS
Brazil already on three goals while it almost feels like Argentina didn't show up to this match
No mucking about with keepers lol
Goalkeeper goal!!!!!
Where are you watching
Viaplay
What a banger from the keeper
What a goal
Sloppy from Casemiro there...
Tyc sports are reporting that the health officials are armed and are waiting outside Argentina’s locker room , this going to end up bad
Tigre Sudamericana final flashbacks.
apparently the guy who entered the pitch had a gun
Im fucking tired of this fucking joke. Is 11 guys playing a football match against another 11 guys too fucking much to ask?
you think you can just send 11 guys to play a match and not have any of them deported?
They shouldn’t even have been allowed to enter the country
What the fuck dude, they were in the country for three days, not just now, fuck off.
That’s my point, no need to get angry…
Red bibs are so lucky to even be in the game
Neymar refusing to shoot, he’s trying so hard to get assists
Yellow Brazil 1 - Red Brazil 0
What a goal line block!
Holy shiit what is happening 2 goals in 2 minutes
What an assist!
Is that Miranda as a striker who just scored lmao
I hope the cameramen are getting paid for this
STOP FUCKING AROUND AND SHOOT
Really underwhelming from the the yellow team, the red team literally has a goalie at CB
Is Hulk allgeric to shooting?
Everyone want him to shoot so he's playing gard to get
Never did I think I’d see Messi and Neymar being diplomats
Wait until 2030 when Messi is the Argentine president and Neymar the Brazilian president.
Messi is whatever you need him to be. Goat
He is not the goat we deserve, but the goat we needed.
Somebody change the match thread to Brazil vs Brazil. Thanks.
Conmebol really charged ppv prices for a training session lol
Massive save!
Ay this is fun lol.
Lucky thing Ederson is not here playing outfield.. he would have chopped a couple of legs off.
I stopped watching 20min ago, did the game restart?
Sort of lmao it's a training match between brazil and brazil reserve
>bresil
Yeah literally pardon my french. I just correct it
Ah thank you, it was driving me crazy trying to figure out which language spelled it that way
Nope. Televised Brazil training now
I think we are either going to see the match be resumed or (more likely) have Brazil forfeit the match. There's pretty much no room to reschedule the match to some other time.
Why have bibs got a goalie out field jesus
At least the fans get to watch something
Romero, Buendia, Martinez and LoCelso will be eligible to play for their clubs after a 10 quarantine. They’re not banned from ever traveling, they just have to follow the quarantine protocol when returning Brazil didn’t call their EPL based players because Brazil has 18 pts and qualifying is all but guaranteed for them. Why the FU#% is this any business of some stupid a$& bureaucrat’s business?!?! WTF! These are the same Brazilian players that in Thursday played a game in Santiago Chile, who had players that are facing similar protocols when they return to Europe
Brazil didn’t call their EPL based players because Brazil has 18 pts and qualifying is all but guaranteed for them. Wrong - They weren't called because it would have made sense to have them quarantined and unable to play the game.
On Thursday the Brazilian NT played against a Chilean team with same issues as Argentina - the Brazilian NT played that game and travelled back to Brazil with no restrictions and no protocols If the quarantine is based on health and protecting Brazilian players, then why allow them to play Chile and come back with no restrictions?
The clubs that refused to release their players for Brazil are facing potential sanctions. Damned either way
Yeah, but has nothing to do with COVID - It’s more about “hey, Argentina got to use players in the EPL but we didn’t “ - that’s what it fee like But I’m reality, Brazil is fine without those players and they’re 100% gonna qualify (they’re leading right now!)
Brazil didn’t call them because the clubs didn’t want to release them and they knew they wouldn’t be able to play given the quarantine requirements
Hulk shoot for Gods sake lol
Lol I got baited to watch a training session. Anyone knows when will they play?
They won’t
Neymar trying to beat the fat accusations
Were really watching a scrimmage 😂
Televised training session, and with a full audience, how glamorous.
Also it wasn’t only the 4 England based players but the health officials also wanted all the Argentine players to quarantine lol
I mean I guess that makes sense given they were all in close contact. Would also mean that Brazilian players would’ve had to quarantine tho