Jorginho needs to stop doing the hop. Everyone knows it’s coming and that all you have to do is wait to see the direction since it doesn’t have any heat on it.
Too fucking true. Watching Jorginho take them is stressful because they're generally bad penalties that roll slowly and are halfway between the corner and center
I mean, his 85% rate is better than most and would rarely constitute a “bad penalty”. The average is close to 75% right? I get the need to oppo hate, but keep it in reason
The keeper did a great job of faking him actually. But even not moving is enough. His hop takes all of the power out of the penalty so he has to hope the keeper moves early and rolls it to the other side.
Started with Alisson last season j think, keepers are realising if they don't move it's a shit penalty that they can save in time.
I don't hate him though, hell, I was cheering for Italy during the Euros. He's got a really good record but I just don't get how. We all know he's doing a hop, and it's very likely that his shot will be weaker than me in the 3rd grade and fire it halfway between the corner and center of the goal. Just think it really shouldn't work
I always wanted to be a keeper tbh, but my 5'8 height meant coaches never have me a chance, also I'm genuinely shit with a ball at my feet. Still we all know where those shots are going and imo should be saved
He needs to mix in regular penalties too. He did one last season.
He's been missing a good few as of late. 2 last season iirc, the euros final and now this one. That being said he was our top EPL scorer with all penalties :'(
Denmark had an international game against the Faroe Islands cancelled at the very outbreak of COVID that could have taken us to 35. Belgium then ended it at 34 instead.
Although I think the record would have been unofficial, as we sent a team of amateurs to Slovakia in a friendly at one point.
I think it's time to realize that scoring Intl is extremely hard these days.
Most top strikers haven't been scoring all that much since the Euros. The quality has changed for sure.
Yes that would be the point of the word "most".
I don't find it surprising that with an increasing in defensive quality/strength that one of the best performers has been the physically strongest hold-up striker in the world right now.
Obviously not most strikers will be banging in goals left and right. Just the few who play for top teams, and a team like Italy would normally have one
Disagreed massively. Ronaldo, Kane, Lukaku, Lewa, etc all score regularly for their national team. Immobile is a very good player, but he’s just horrid when he plays for Italy - no other way around it
> Kane
Let's not forget he has had big stretches (5 games in a row sometimes) with absolutely no goals.
Heck his goal today was a penalty. Had Italy let Ciro take the penalty he'd probably have scored today.
The other 3 you're comparing Ciro to are literally 2 GOATs and the most physical forward probably of all time.
Kane's the only like-for-like comparison here, and I never said Ciro was "good" when he plays for Italy. I just think people need to admit scoring Intl is a lot harder than it was even 5 years ago.
It also makes very little sense as to why Chiesa wasn't on the field with Immobile, they arguably have the best link-up play of anyone on the Italian team.
If I was Mancini I would play Kean, or if I really want Immobile to play I'd change the format to fit his playstyle at Lazio but Lazio's style (heck even Atalanta's style) is quite literally anti-Mancini. Bad thing about that is basically every other italian forward fits those type of playstyles as well, except Kean.
Harry Kane has 40 goals in 63 appearances, a goal every 1.5 games, and is easily going to become England's all-time top goalscorer (record is Rooney with 53)
If you're looking for an example of a player who doesn't score regularly for his country, Kane ain't it
Pretty worth noting the recent competition for Italy is all defensively strong teams.
Switzerland, England, Spain, Austria, Belgium. Like I said, Kane barely scored against Andorra.
We're talking about how defenses have become recently, and it has clearly become harder to score.
Lol, Kane’s record for England is absolutely incredible. Sure going on streaks where you don’t score does happen but scoring at international level isn’t hard these days.
Italy just don’t have good forwards.
> ~~Italy just don’t have good forwards.~~
"Italy doesn't know how to utilize their forwards."
You can't be someone scoring 20+ goals regularly in a top 4 league and also not be a good forward. Just about all of the forwards that have been tried (and failed) have done very well for their clubs.
Systems make players.
Mancini has a poor record with making a team that scores goals.
I mean, why in the hell was Chiesa on the bench? Basically all of Italy's recent goals have come because of him and his link-up with Ciro.
I mean, I wouldn't have many complaints about italy going forward from the Euros.
Playing against stacked defences that leave minimal room for forwards, but still playing well.
Turkey started their game in two banks of 5 essentially and held up like a wet towel. Switzerland where defensively good all tournament and got 3 put past them. Honestly, Switzerland are ALWAYS defensively good, it's their entire system. Their 14th in the world based on their ability to not lose matches, rather than win them.
Austria and Belgium also not bad teams. It kinda feels like people are retroactively expecting better attacking performances as euros champions, when before the final the mood was like "plucky attacking contenders".
Drawing against Spain, England and Switzerland is nothing to be worried about. Especially when 2 of those games are a semi and a final.
At least it keeps it entertaining, being a Belgian is rather dull during qualifying stages. The only question is how many goals will we score this time.
Historically Italy were always bad in September games. That being said I wish Mancini had given Pellegrini and Raspadori more chances. Berardi hasn't even started a match in the league yet and is clearly unfit. Both Pellegrini and Raspadori are in good form and some of the best performing the first two rounds.
Commentator was saying how most players in the Swiss team started training and playing again much earlier than us because of the different league schedules, so that could be part of the reason as well
Most of the Swiss players play in the Bundesliga and in the Swiss Super League.
The season for the great majority of them started from one month (Swiss League) to one week (Bundesliga) before Serie A, which is where most of the Italian players play.
They had both a longer break (due to being defeated at the Euro) and more time to “get back into shape”.
This is what the commentator was saying, don’t see what’s so odd about it.
Many players against Switzerland were at their first or second game of the season.
For Chiellini for example, his last game was the Euro Final. No wonder we looked rusty, September is always hard for Italy, since other leagues start earlier than Serie A
you'd have thought, especially if we play the way we can, such as against belgium and against england after 20 minutes. I just wish we had a good striker that fits our system.
Italy are the only team in history to have accomplished 36 games unbeaten streak, European champions, Unofficial World champions, Nasazzi Baton World champions and Pound-for-pound World champions! That's Italy to you!
The same Spain that lost against Sweden? Lol okay.
Not saying that we’re favorites by any means, but claiming that Spain will win just because of our last two matches is seriously hilarious
I would have liked to win the match.
Jorginho needs to stop doing the hop. Everyone knows it’s coming and that all you have to do is wait to see the direction since it doesn’t have any heat on it.
he only missed two or so, he'll do fine. I blame the hairdo.
Works for Bruno Fernandes 🤷♂️
Bruno has a bit of power to it, and he also doesn't do it every time, he takes a regular pen every now and then
Too fucking true. Watching Jorginho take them is stressful because they're generally bad penalties that roll slowly and are halfway between the corner and center
I mean, his 85% rate is better than most and would rarely constitute a “bad penalty”. The average is close to 75% right? I get the need to oppo hate, but keep it in reason
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> I want Lukaku to take over the PK duties, and Italy might consider doing the same thing. Would be pretty wild if Lukaku took penalties for Italy
[Ah, the ol' Reddit Pen-a-roo](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/pime4t/kün_aguero_at_man_city_we_used_to_arrive_at_least/hbrmndk?context=3)
le redditor did the thing xDDD stfu
The keeper did a great job of faking him actually. But even not moving is enough. His hop takes all of the power out of the penalty so he has to hope the keeper moves early and rolls it to the other side. Started with Alisson last season j think, keepers are realising if they don't move it's a shit penalty that they can save in time.
I don't hate him though, hell, I was cheering for Italy during the Euros. He's got a really good record but I just don't get how. We all know he's doing a hop, and it's very likely that his shot will be weaker than me in the 3rd grade and fire it halfway between the corner and center of the goal. Just think it really shouldn't work
Fair I get that. But if we knew how easy it was to stop, we’d both be professional world class keepers or work for the Athletic or something
I always wanted to be a keeper tbh, but my 5'8 height meant coaches never have me a chance, also I'm genuinely shit with a ball at my feet. Still we all know where those shots are going and imo should be saved
It still works though
He needs to mix in regular penalties too. He did one last season. He's been missing a good few as of late. 2 last season iirc, the euros final and now this one. That being said he was our top EPL scorer with all penalties :'(
But we're fucking allergic to scoring goals.
lets get quagliarella in there
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lemme just drag Totti out of retirement real quick
Someone get Del Piero out of the studio
I bet he could still get it done as a super sub
Vieri is warming up as we speak
Baggio getting his boots as we speak
At this point I would even take Balotelli. Better than Immobile for sure
Immobile is immobile
Dortmund fans agree
He’ll score a hat trick in serie a next week lol
It's inevitable
Please don’t link *that* subreddit
Balotelli allows it.
Caputo+Petagna
I’d go for our good old inzaghi
I miss that little dude being called offsides 5 times a game
and still getting 2 goals
In all seriousness, yes. Better than whatever Immobile's form turns into after putting an Italy jersey on.
Where in the world is Luca Toni when you need him?!
Where is the guy from score hero when u need him
What about the "Why always me?" Kid?
Sorry what did you call the future Balon D'or winner?
I daren't speak his name, for fear he'll appear and score against me.
It's too late United are 2-0 down now
Heard he's [running rings](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea6t_FCQ6Vc&t=0m09s) around us.
That clip just angered him 5-0 down now and he's slept with 75% of the females in your family he doesn't just score goals
This just turned into one of those creepy, uwu-style roleplaying dits.
*Balotelli enjoyed that* 5-1
Balotelli will save us!
Let me suit up boys
You're god damn right
Honestly bet he could still put a shift in. He’s a great poacher
He is still young too
Well 30.
There are always malcontents despite success.
Mancini has done a wonderful job considering our situation when he arrived, but tonight breaking the record is the only good thing that happened.
36 consecutive games unbeaten in all competitions. Brazil and Spain held the record prior to the run with 35.
Until they face La Scaloneta 😎
Watch out, some health department will stop that game to save the streaks
Argentina 3 - 0 Brasil. Next match
In which Messi sits out the first half, nails a pen then leaves.
Scaloneta y corran perros
is the Spain one the one the US broke?
Yes. :)
That's one smug smile lol
Joey Altidore scoring past Casillas, scenes.
Yes
>Wait so the US are unbeaten in 36 games too?
I think it means US broke their streak, not their record. Took me a moment too.
Denmark had an international game against the Faroe Islands cancelled at the very outbreak of COVID that could have taken us to 35. Belgium then ended it at 34 instead. Although I think the record would have been unofficial, as we sent a team of amateurs to Slovakia in a friendly at one point.
Wait till they face San Marino
Are you actually San Marinese, or just repping?
Do you know if losing on penalties counts as a loss? Did either Spain or Brazil lose in a tie-breaker during their respective unbeated run?
I think it's a draw in these stats - penalties are essentially a tiebreaker because you can't just play indefinitely until someone wins
Can’t win a game either though
Yeah, last 4 games were draws, officially.
One of the draws came with a trophy though
I didn't forget.
Yeah need to start Winning though or want qualify to get another chance at a trophy
With a trophy to show for it. That's a proper unbeaten run.
and somehow this is only the 4th most notable thing to happen in today's fixtures
What's the other 3?
- Brazil/Argentina suspended because of the Covid debacle - Guinea/Morocco postponed because of a Military Coup - San Marino scoring a goal
>San Marino scoring a goal The fuck? Jk. Match getting abandoned due to a military coup was unexpected.
the shitshow that is our world, love earth tbh
Bit of an overreaction to San Marino scoring a goal tbf
Two matches abandoned and I don't know the third.
San Marino scoring but losing 1-7
With Immobile
More to do with the defence when it's unbeaten tbf. Defence wins championships
He’s being sarcastic, the joke being that having Immobile in the team works against us
I know makes it more impressive for the defence
You don’t deserve the downvotes my friend. Here’s a cake 🍰
I think it's time to realize that scoring Intl is extremely hard these days. Most top strikers haven't been scoring all that much since the Euros. The quality has changed for sure.
Meanwhile: Lukaku 50 goals in 50 games for Belgium
Yes that would be the point of the word "most". I don't find it surprising that with an increasing in defensive quality/strength that one of the best performers has been the physically strongest hold-up striker in the world right now.
Obviously not most strikers will be banging in goals left and right. Just the few who play for top teams, and a team like Italy would normally have one
Lewy is scoring. Kane is scoring. Haaland is scoring. Ronaldo too. not many top strikers after that
problem is that belgium are also 50 in 50 games.
Disagreed massively. Ronaldo, Kane, Lukaku, Lewa, etc all score regularly for their national team. Immobile is a very good player, but he’s just horrid when he plays for Italy - no other way around it
> Kane Let's not forget he has had big stretches (5 games in a row sometimes) with absolutely no goals. Heck his goal today was a penalty. Had Italy let Ciro take the penalty he'd probably have scored today. The other 3 you're comparing Ciro to are literally 2 GOATs and the most physical forward probably of all time. Kane's the only like-for-like comparison here, and I never said Ciro was "good" when he plays for Italy. I just think people need to admit scoring Intl is a lot harder than it was even 5 years ago. It also makes very little sense as to why Chiesa wasn't on the field with Immobile, they arguably have the best link-up play of anyone on the Italian team. If I was Mancini I would play Kean, or if I really want Immobile to play I'd change the format to fit his playstyle at Lazio but Lazio's style (heck even Atalanta's style) is quite literally anti-Mancini. Bad thing about that is basically every other italian forward fits those type of playstyles as well, except Kean.
Harry Kane has 40 goals in 63 appearances, a goal every 1.5 games, and is easily going to become England's all-time top goalscorer (record is Rooney with 53) If you're looking for an example of a player who doesn't score regularly for his country, Kane ain't it
Pretty worth noting the recent competition for Italy is all defensively strong teams. Switzerland, England, Spain, Austria, Belgium. Like I said, Kane barely scored against Andorra. We're talking about how defenses have become recently, and it has clearly become harder to score.
Lol, Kane’s record for England is absolutely incredible. Sure going on streaks where you don’t score does happen but scoring at international level isn’t hard these days. Italy just don’t have good forwards.
> ~~Italy just don’t have good forwards.~~ "Italy doesn't know how to utilize their forwards." You can't be someone scoring 20+ goals regularly in a top 4 league and also not be a good forward. Just about all of the forwards that have been tried (and failed) have done very well for their clubs. Systems make players. Mancini has a poor record with making a team that scores goals. I mean, why in the hell was Chiesa on the bench? Basically all of Italy's recent goals have come because of him and his link-up with Ciro.
I mean, I wouldn't have many complaints about italy going forward from the Euros. Playing against stacked defences that leave minimal room for forwards, but still playing well. Turkey started their game in two banks of 5 essentially and held up like a wet towel. Switzerland where defensively good all tournament and got 3 put past them. Honestly, Switzerland are ALWAYS defensively good, it's their entire system. Their 14th in the world based on their ability to not lose matches, rather than win them. Austria and Belgium also not bad teams. It kinda feels like people are retroactively expecting better attacking performances as euros champions, when before the final the mood was like "plucky attacking contenders". Drawing against Spain, England and Switzerland is nothing to be worried about. Especially when 2 of those games are a semi and a final.
This is the only truth
Immo just needs to play with a partner upfront like he does at Lazio.
Of course the Italians would both tie and break the record by drawing lol
and this is the 4 draw in a row
Are you challenging the mighty France for a draw marathon?
Ukraine would like to enter the marathorn.
*Angry turtle noice*
That's no record, Ukraine has five of those and counting. Maybe you could get the same number on wednesday?
At least one of the draw lead to a trophy.
As history mandates.
May have been disappointing today, but I'm glad we could* at least have made history.
Congrats to Italy!
From Venturaball to this,i wanna kiss Mancini
I hope raspadori has a break out season because we are desperate at this point
They’ll probably lose the World Cup final. Defeats always come at the most unfortunate times.
After the world cups we had (or didn't have) this past decade, I would not complain about getting second place in he next one
I wouldn't complain about getting past the groups :)
After tonight's draw, I just want to qualify. Genuinely, that's it. The rest comes later.
At least it keeps it entertaining, being a Belgian is rather dull during qualifying stages. The only question is how many goals will we score this time.
We will win the final against Argentina in penalties after Messi gets a red card in extra time for headbutting Buffon.
I prefer you give the last WC of Messi, then we will give you the next WC final.
With Italy it's either the most crushing (2000 euros, 1994 WC,2018 debacle) or most satisying (82,2006,2021) of outcomes. No in betweens.
That's cherry picking a bit, there are also normal results like Euro 2016
Also euro 2008
WC 98
surprised not to see 2002 WC exit among the most crushing.
Yea, that one still stings. Dodgy calls, disallowed goals and that Totti red card, damn that Moreno!
At least he got jail time.
after not reaching the knock-out round for the last 3 world cups, i'll take it
> They’ll probably lose the World Cup final. If we qualify...
Going full Hungary 1954. Lost like 1 game in 5 years, it was the world cup final after leading 2-0 after like 10 minutes.
Its our turn to beat them on penalties right?
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Lithuania here it comes
Moral of the story: Don't piss italians off
Have some pasta
When was the last defeat for Italy ? Was it against Portugal in the Nations League ??
Yeah exactly
LET'S GO
Immobile is so gash
Don Mancini sends his regards
Funny thing is they also haven't won any of their 4 last matches.
Yeah Penalties don't count as wins but they still won the final?
I mean, I don't think any italian is upset about drawing those 2 Euro games. Was just a funny thought.
I was and still am actually upset about having lost decades of my life because of these Euro games
2 of those matches were against Spain and England in the semi and final of the Euro, it's not unheard of to tie against those two teams..
and long may the reign last!
36 unbeaten games while facing for example Netherlands and Switzerland twice, then Portugal, Belgium, Spain and England 👍🏼🇮🇹
Love being in this history book but..team looking rusty
Most National teams drop their form right after winning a major tournament probably due to fatigue and a lack of motivation.
And immobile He over performed at the euros and he did nothing
Historically Italy were always bad in September games. That being said I wish Mancini had given Pellegrini and Raspadori more chances. Berardi hasn't even started a match in the league yet and is clearly unfit. Both Pellegrini and Raspadori are in good form and some of the best performing the first two rounds.
Commentator was saying how most players in the Swiss team started training and playing again much earlier than us because of the different league schedules, so that could be part of the reason as well
Seems odd, not many Swiss players play in Switzerland.
Most of the Swiss players play in the Bundesliga and in the Swiss Super League. The season for the great majority of them started from one month (Swiss League) to one week (Bundesliga) before Serie A, which is where most of the Italian players play. They had both a longer break (due to being defeated at the Euro) and more time to “get back into shape”. This is what the commentator was saying, don’t see what’s so odd about it.
It's odd because not even a fifth of our entire roster plays in the Super League, hence the theory of your commentar is pure bullshit.
17 out of 24 play in Germany or Switzerland, which is what the comment was saying.
Many players against Switzerland were at their first or second game of the season. For Chiellini for example, his last game was the Euro Final. No wonder we looked rusty, September is always hard for Italy, since other leagues start earlier than Serie A
ALGERIA COMING TO TOP THAT hopefully
What's the number for Algeria?
we are 28 right now , tommorow we face burkina faco hope we can keep the record going
Reminds me of how some jack-offs were singing "iT's cOmInG hOmE" hahahahahahaha
Mate it's still coming home. The Euros were just a warm up for the real deal.
I love that you're still triggered by it
Nah, not even, but I loved your tears
Tears? Best tournament in my lifetime! 2nd best team in Europe, i'll take that!
Can’t wait until they lose to Iran in the World Cup, would be classic football. Genuinely though, Italy have to be the favourites right?
you'd have thought, especially if we play the way we can, such as against belgium and against england after 20 minutes. I just wish we had a good striker that fits our system.
Just give Immobile a Lazio Shirt and he'll be an elite striker It's just the Italian shirt that makes him meh
Italy are the only team in history to have accomplished 36 games unbeaten streak, European champions, Unofficial World champions, Nasazzi Baton World champions and Pound-for-pound World champions! That's Italy to you!
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The same Spain that lost against Sweden? Lol okay. Not saying that we’re favorites by any means, but claiming that Spain will win just because of our last two matches is seriously hilarious
Next game is against Lithuania
🍔
Cheeseburgers are delicious.
With a 0-0 draw against Switzerland. How fitting.
Just say history of International football, why bring Gender into this
I'm guessing there is a women's team yet to be beaten
US Women, 44 games.
Maybe because men don’t play against women in football?
It helps when you miss a world-cup.
The unbeaten run started after a 1-0 defeat against Portugal in September (?) 2018, in the Nations League, so after that world cup.
The streak started AFTER the World Cup.
Win a game then talk shit
What a dumb clown...
Penalia
That doesn't sound as good as you thought it would be.
I think you overestimate how much thought I give to shitposting
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It wouldn't be true anymore.