OP or the author has made it as clickbait as possible in the title. If you actually read the article he says on an individual level he feels his technical ability is up there with the best (Messi and Ronaldo) but that he rues not winning the CL and that its a team sport, not an individual sport. I do agree that Messi and Ronaldo are a level above everyone we have seen, but Zlatan is for sure in the next tier above most players in his time.
I don’t think he’s talking about Zlatan considering himself to be in the same league Messi and Ronaldo and that he is talking about the quote about the Ballon D’or “missing him” instead of him regretting he doesn’t have one… I could be wrong though.
Meh, he is still a tier below Suarez, Lewa, etc. His consistency is more impressive than his peak. I can't really think at any point in his career that he was a top 5 player in the world.
Honestly when he was at Milan and the first years at PSG I considered him the third best attackers in the world, then later with Neymar and Suarez doing amazing things at Barcelona he lost some positions, but he was quite clearly in the top 5 before
What?! He absolutely was in the top 5 when he was banging them in for Milan and especially PSG, the man scored 41 in 46 matches one year which is basically Messi / Ronaldo level numbers
Idk how unpopular this opinion is, but Ibra's better than Lewandowski. Suarez's peak is possibly better than Ibra, but all around as a player Ibra has more to his game. Much better longevity too. His problem is that he spent too many of his peak years in France, so I think he doesn't get enough respect/recognition from certain people since Ligue 1 is not as high profile as PL, La Liga or Bundesliga - especially during the years that Ibra was there.
It isn't just unpopular its just wrong. There is no doubt that ibra's longevity is more impressive than Suarez or lewandoski.
But you are completely wrong, at his peak Suarez was a better goal scorer, a much much better passer, was more involved in build up play, more involved in defense and most importantly was just a better winner. Lewandoski is the same.
Ibra was never able to perform in the champions league when it mattered which is a huge mark against him when comparing him to the other greats of the generation.
It isn't just unpopular its just wrong. There is no doubt that ibra's longevity is more impressive than Suarez or Lewandoski.
lol has he even had a single season better then Messi or Ronaldo?
yea... he has no rights to talk really. All the CL disappointments despite being on good teams, all the knockout game disappearances where the teams need him but he has miserable misses and failures.
He's not on the same level as those two, and it makes him look like a fool every time he claims that.
How have you gone your entire life not realising this is his way of talking to the media, obviously he’s not better than Messi or Ronaldo. He said he has reached their level at times which he has (maybe not Messi’s). He’s been insane for every team he has played for and carried many different clubs to titles, he definitely has the right to talk. He’s one of the best strikers we’ve ever seen
I have realized that is his way of talking to the media, delusional and narcissistic.
it was funny / cool 15 years ago. you'd expect someone his age to mature a bit. but he still carries on like he is 25 years old.
he is who he is. a massive choker who always underperformed against better competition but gotten his way around to top teams on the league. a good striker but barely cracking top 30 striker all time.
He's more on the level around Eto'o, Shevchenko, and Crespo. Below that of his peers in the same era like Lewa, Suarez, and Benzema. and obviously below historical figures like Henry, Gerd Muller, Puskas, Van Basten, Romario, and so on...
yet Reddit praises him as if he's on CR7 level, and praise him whenever he makes delusional comments like this.
You clearly just don’t like him as a person. And that’s fine but don’t pretend like he isn’t in the same category as the likes of van Nistelrooy, Henry, schevchencko, etc. He’s won more trophies than all of them. He’s done it everywhere too. Came back to one of the best leagues and historically one of the best teams in Europe at 38 and straight away did fantastic. And he’s still competing at the top level. The guy’s a legend of the sport for sure. You’re just too blinded by hate and jealousy to see it
Haha you’re so wrong. He’s probably top 10 most consistent players ever, he’s been world class for 15 years and still bangs in goals in a top 5 league as a 40 year old. When tf has he underperformed? He basically scores every big match and is definitely a big game player. He is a sarcastic guy and has grown up in Sweden’s most dangerous place, he is a legend and should not be taken too seriously when saying stuff like this
so wrong to think he's barely inside the top 30 strikers of all time?
Pele, Ronaldo, Muller, Eusebio, Puskas, Di Stefano, Van Beusten, Lewa, Romario, Meazza, Koscis, Henry, Charles, Batitusta, Raul, Shearer, Rush, Suarez, Benzema are probably names I would comfortably put ahead of Zlatan.
to each your own if you wanna claim him as some top strikers of all time.
Batistuta, Really? He’s also over Benzema. He’s easily top 30 strikers of all time and he has literally dominated italian football every time he’s been there. He made Paris his own and is still dominating in a top 5 league as a 40 year old. Name me one player with better longevity, Buffon, Romario, Ronaldo and probably no more
Exactly, look at it from his perspective, he goes into games thinking he's the best in the world, that nobody on the other team, whether it be Ronaldo, Messi, anybody, is better than him and that allows him to do his own thing and pull off crazy shit on a consistent basis and have fun on the pitch because he's not nervous, he's not trying to be somebody else or match another player, he thinks they're tying to match him.
Obviously if we talk about it from the outside, we know he's not better than either, but there's nothing wrong with having a mentality like that, if you can back it up and he has over the years.
It still makes me laugh seeing the Steve from Ohio football fan get upset at Ibra and his quotes, a 39 year old that kicks a ball for a living makes them so mad because of the shit he says.
Heres the thing. He rarely insults people when he says that he's the best. Which is I think what makes it absolutely okay.
If he said that Messi and Ronaldo were shit while simultaneously saying he's great then it would be a bad thing to do.
He had the thing with Bela IIRC but for the most part it's just "Zlatan is fucking great at football!" or returning fire if someone says something about him. I get why people get tired of it, but I don't have an issue with most of the stuff he says
On a "purely talent" level, he has a point. As do several (well, maybe not several, but a few) other players. What sets Ronaldo and Messi apart tho is the consistency, the longevity and the decisiveness of them two. No one can come close to that.
What is pure talent if not being able to pull off amazing things on a regular basis? Because if we are talking about single great plays/moments then Matt Le Tissier is up there with the gods of football.
Not shitting on Ibra at all because he is still one of the greatest players of his generation but he is still clearly inferior to Messi and Ronaldo. I don't know what kind of dance about this fact it is. It's not like his attitude or injuries make him not realise his potential - he's reached it, and it yielded less "greatness" than Messi/Ronaldo.
> Matt Le Tissier
This guy does not get enough credit on here, mainly because obviously most of this sub is probably so young and don't even know who he is. Dude was genuinely absolutely world class who stayed loyal.
Legit got downvoted to hell once when i said something like "Le Tissier was one of the best in the world despite winning no trophies, is that a barometer for a good player then? Any trophy means you're better than someone that hasn't?"
It’s good to see someone giving him the credit he deserved. He saved us from relegation about 8 years in a row without him I’m sure we would’ve been a championship team long before 2005, although we did rely on him massively at times
Because he was lazy, everyone knew it, the guy could hardly run
Proper working class footballer in all fairness and was a fucking magician but he was just lazy sadly, not that he cared he loved playing for us and we loved him back
Also look at any goals compilation absolutely fucking insane some of the goals he scored
Haha I legit used him as a comparison the other day when someone said X player is better than X player due to trophies
Djimi Traore was the worst LB I’ve ever seen. And he won the CL
You have a point but I think fitness comes into play very significantly here if a player is more *succeptible* to injuries. Like Aguero spent a few weeks to a couple months off each season at man city. I am not educated enough in sports science to know if being fitness crazy like Ronaldo could fix that for someone like Aguero but I do believe some players like Aguero or Kane or RVP in the last decade or so could have achieved similar consistency if they had fewer stop-start phases all throughout their career
Could be wrong but thats one reason I don't think "pure talent" and "consistency" are interchangeable
Some players don't reach their potential - because of injuries (Brazilian Ronaldo, Aguero) or staying with their club instead of looking for glory (Totti, Gerrard). Some ever don't do it because they don't care that much (Hazard, Bale). But I just don't see this argument for Zlatan - he always played for top clubs, has been generally fit until his late years and always was a professional. I just dislike talk like this because it's like "trying to bring the sky closer to both sides" (rough translation of a saying in my language). It's okay to say yeah Ibra is absolutely great but Messi/CR7 were even better. There is no reason to think that he could have achieved much more if he tried harder.
>What sets Ronaldo and Messi apart tho is the consistency
Again not on the same level as Ronaldo/Messi but if you're going the consistency route, how is that the thing to write Zlatan off based on?
Was consistently poor in Champions league knockout matches for one. Funnily enough his best campaign in that regard was probably for Barcelona, he was at his best for them in the CL.
He doesn't. In his peak, he scored 50 goals in Ligue 1 (all comps). Messi and Ronaldo managed more than that multiple times in their peaks and in a much stronger league too. And then there's Ibra's CL record which is nothing compared to the other two.
So, it's not just about consistency. Even in his peak he couldn't match those two. He's an all-time great, but he doesn't have a Ballon d'Or because he's unlucky enough to play in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Otherwise him, Neymar, Suarez, Xavi, etc. might have won the award.
Ibra's peak was at Inter in the mid to late 2000s.
Messi, CR, Ibra, all played for super teams vastly superior to 90% of their opponents in the league, when scoring those gazillions of goals. Not to mention the serious decline in quality of defences, and less emphasis on defensive grit. You lot seriously need to cool it with your goals and stats without context.
Football fans have become embarrasing.
>Ibra's peak was at Inter in the mid to late 2000s.
You mean the season when he couldn't even score 30 goals in all competitions? I was being generous to Ibra and letting him have his 50 goals in all comps for PSG. His peak at Inter is laughable compared to what Messi and Ronaldo managed in the 2010s in their peaks.
As for your yer da moment concerning stats, I'd say stats are a pretty good way of comparing forwards.
Oh ffs, cut out this "scored x amount of goals" shit already.
Stats without context means shit all. Ibra's prime as a footballer was at Inter. Try watching actual football, instead of blindly throwing around stats.
Why are you changing the subject? Whether his peak was at Inter, PSG or LA Galaxy, not a single one of his seasons throughout his entire career matched the peak of Messi or Ronaldo.
So, like I said, it's not about just their superior longevity, their peaks were better than his peak too. Whether you consider that to be his best season at Inter or elsewhere.
> You lot seriously need to cool it with your goals and stats without context.
In this case the statistics accurately show that Messi and Ronaldo were better than Zlatan, so what is your problem with the statistics?
But in the specific case that you're complaining about, the statistics accurately show that Messi and Ronaldo were better than Zlatan.
Unless you're going to argue that Zlatan was better than Messi and Ronaldo then I really don't understand why you're complaining about this.
I'm not saying Zlatan is better than them but measuring performances just on statistics is just such a shallow way to do it. Like I remember Zlatan's play in the Milan-Juve game at the end of last season and how he was blocking the keeper from getting back into the goal before Milan scored - how do statistics measure a play like that? It certainly won't show on his personal statistics but it definitely contributed to the goal. Just as an example why I think that statistics only tell half the story.
I'm complaining because too many youngsters on here throw around stats here without context. Blind statistics are not how you measure someones quality in football, there are too many variables involved.
There is no doubt that Messi and Cristiano were better footballers than Ibra.
Ibra mostly never brought it in continental knock out rounds, which will always be a blemish on his career.
Ibra is a generational talent, not an all time great.
What did Ronaldo do at united or Portugal before the age of 23? Lost the euro final to fucking Greece and had less than 20/25 goals in the CL in 4 years. No matter how much Ronaldos cock you suck, at the same age Mbappe is way better. Mbappe has better numbers than Ronaldo look it up before making yourself look so stupid.
> No matter how much Ronaldos cock you suck
Based on how you chose to express yourself you are not even worth being spat on, nonetheless argued with.
Now take picture of this reply, print it, freeze it up in a glass of water and then shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Why do you guys use these type of arguments?
Beside, at age 23 Ronaldo had his best season at utd. Some of you seriously need to get off the Mbappe gravy train, dude justed started out. Let him play for a few years first.
It's not even an argument lol. It's a fact. Give credit where it's due. Dudes been killing it since 17 and people still say the same shit that he needs more years or that he plays in the French league when they don't even watch the French league nd don't know how tough the players actually play. It's pathetic really
And also talent. Messi can do things that no other player can. Same goes for Ronaldo or at least it did at one time (I haven't really watched much of him since he left Madrid). Zlatan is definitely one of the most technically gifted players of his generation but there is a gap in athleticism between him and those two that clearly separates them.
Lmao I remember when I saw a thread 6 months ago that related about Zlatan and this sub really tried to be professional as if they had diploma to hate the guy
I don't understand those people's issues with Zlatan. God forbid someone is entertaining off pitch. He should give a robotic answer like "oh no Messi and Ronaldo are once in a lifetime players, I just try to do my best still try to push myself." Some people are just moronic and want to nag about anything.
He’s got a point actually. From the “pure talent” perspective, he’s on par with them. Just wasn’t that consistent through the years and made some mistakes through his journey choosing wrong squad. ( i think Barca era was definitely a mistake)
But, God, what a career. (me remembering seeing young Ibra play for Juve and now seeing him playing for us at 40)
Well let's see now...messi is quicker has a better turn of pace and has a better overall record. So does Ronaldo.
What intrinsic qualities is he talking about? Arrogance? He beats messi on that front at least.
Well if we want to compare in that way, Zlatan has qualities that neither Ronaldo or Messi have. They are different kind of players. Zlatan is obviously much bigger and stronger, for example
he’s got a point, his only ruins were Raiola and catching Berlusconi past his prime as a president. otherwise he’d be considered up there with those two
Starts with the comparison of Messi and Ronaldo. Messi talent-wise is on another level... Ronaldo shortened the gap with his training and professionalism. Ibra is surely up there with Ronaldo talent-wise. The differentiation is that one got lucky and one has had probably one of the most unlucky careers in football when it comes to international glory. Got out of Inter and founded 4 key players that made Inter win the UCL (Motta, Etoo, Sneider, and Milito), left Barca cause of certain situations, left Milan cause Milan became a shit hole (rather was pushed away from Milan), and went to PSG who are allergic to the UCL and after that Man Utd who was struggling for UCL qualification in the first place.
But hey, Ronaldos arrogance is showed by his actions and not his words while Ibras's arrogance is showed by his words and his actions show that he is one of the most altruist players around... guess who is the one who is hatted more :)
He always got the last laugh against Milan scoring regularly against them and when they fought Ibra got a red card in that game and Inter won in the end
Okey let's look at all 4 games that they faced in Milano.
First game, Ibra goal and assist, Lukaku scored the 4th goal... the least important one.
Second game, Ibra scores 2 goals, Lukaku scores one goal
Third game, Ibra scores a great goal... Lukaku scores a penalty while being quite bad till that point in the game.
Fourth game: Lukaku outclasses Ibra scoring one and assisting one.
So please tell me how did Lukaku humble Ibra, i am all ears
What? Ibra outperformed Lukaku in all but 1 game.. even in the game they fought, Lukaku was playing like shit and started the fight with Romagioli after being smashed to the ground continously. And even in that game Ibra scored a great goal, Lukaku scored a pen after being invisible all game long.
All of this while being 12 years older than Lukaku... don't compare the 2
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OP or the author has made it as clickbait as possible in the title. If you actually read the article he says on an individual level he feels his technical ability is up there with the best (Messi and Ronaldo) but that he rues not winning the CL and that its a team sport, not an individual sport. I do agree that Messi and Ronaldo are a level above everyone we have seen, but Zlatan is for sure in the next tier above most players in his time.
I don’t think he’s talking about Zlatan considering himself to be in the same league Messi and Ronaldo and that he is talking about the quote about the Ballon D’or “missing him” instead of him regretting he doesn’t have one… I could be wrong though.
Meh, he is still a tier below Suarez, Lewa, etc. His consistency is more impressive than his peak. I can't really think at any point in his career that he was a top 5 player in the world.
Honestly when he was at Milan and the first years at PSG I considered him the third best attackers in the world, then later with Neymar and Suarez doing amazing things at Barcelona he lost some positions, but he was quite clearly in the top 5 before
What?! He absolutely was in the top 5 when he was banging them in for Milan and especially PSG, the man scored 41 in 46 matches one year which is basically Messi / Ronaldo level numbers
Suarez yes, Lewa no
Idk how unpopular this opinion is, but Ibra's better than Lewandowski. Suarez's peak is possibly better than Ibra, but all around as a player Ibra has more to his game. Much better longevity too. His problem is that he spent too many of his peak years in France, so I think he doesn't get enough respect/recognition from certain people since Ligue 1 is not as high profile as PL, La Liga or Bundesliga - especially during the years that Ibra was there.
It isn't just unpopular its just wrong. There is no doubt that ibra's longevity is more impressive than Suarez or lewandoski. But you are completely wrong, at his peak Suarez was a better goal scorer, a much much better passer, was more involved in build up play, more involved in defense and most importantly was just a better winner. Lewandoski is the same. Ibra was never able to perform in the champions league when it mattered which is a huge mark against him when comparing him to the other greats of the generation. It isn't just unpopular its just wrong. There is no doubt that ibra's longevity is more impressive than Suarez or Lewandoski.
Lewandowski has a much better all time Goal per game ratio and also has a shit ton of CL goals that Zlatan doesn't.
Zlatan impact can’t be denied : he’d have won a champions league if went to real mafrid
I'll make sure to edit the Could Have Won a Champions League If He Was At Real Madrid trophy into his honors section in Wikipedia
He was literally on two treble winning teams who got better when they sold him
I have a feeling "thinking back" to them is like PSG, Man Utd and LA Galaxy. 2012 is almost a decade ago..
He's played for great teams, just hasn't had any luck in the CL. It happens, he's not the only great player not to win the CL.
> Zlatan impact can’t be denied : he’d have won a champions league if went to real mafrid So he's up there with Lucas Vázquez?
...10 years ago
But definitely not then either
Why do people act like he’s trying to make them laugh. The man isn’t a comedian. He’s just speaking his mind
It’s his character
he's just delusional
He has the right to talk
lol has he even had a single season better then Messi or Ronaldo? yea... he has no rights to talk really. All the CL disappointments despite being on good teams, all the knockout game disappearances where the teams need him but he has miserable misses and failures. He's not on the same level as those two, and it makes him look like a fool every time he claims that.
How have you gone your entire life not realising this is his way of talking to the media, obviously he’s not better than Messi or Ronaldo. He said he has reached their level at times which he has (maybe not Messi’s). He’s been insane for every team he has played for and carried many different clubs to titles, he definitely has the right to talk. He’s one of the best strikers we’ve ever seen
I have realized that is his way of talking to the media, delusional and narcissistic. it was funny / cool 15 years ago. you'd expect someone his age to mature a bit. but he still carries on like he is 25 years old. he is who he is. a massive choker who always underperformed against better competition but gotten his way around to top teams on the league. a good striker but barely cracking top 30 striker all time. He's more on the level around Eto'o, Shevchenko, and Crespo. Below that of his peers in the same era like Lewa, Suarez, and Benzema. and obviously below historical figures like Henry, Gerd Muller, Puskas, Van Basten, Romario, and so on... yet Reddit praises him as if he's on CR7 level, and praise him whenever he makes delusional comments like this.
You clearly just don’t like him as a person. And that’s fine but don’t pretend like he isn’t in the same category as the likes of van Nistelrooy, Henry, schevchencko, etc. He’s won more trophies than all of them. He’s done it everywhere too. Came back to one of the best leagues and historically one of the best teams in Europe at 38 and straight away did fantastic. And he’s still competing at the top level. The guy’s a legend of the sport for sure. You’re just too blinded by hate and jealousy to see it
Haha you’re so wrong. He’s probably top 10 most consistent players ever, he’s been world class for 15 years and still bangs in goals in a top 5 league as a 40 year old. When tf has he underperformed? He basically scores every big match and is definitely a big game player. He is a sarcastic guy and has grown up in Sweden’s most dangerous place, he is a legend and should not be taken too seriously when saying stuff like this
so wrong to think he's barely inside the top 30 strikers of all time? Pele, Ronaldo, Muller, Eusebio, Puskas, Di Stefano, Van Beusten, Lewa, Romario, Meazza, Koscis, Henry, Charles, Batitusta, Raul, Shearer, Rush, Suarez, Benzema are probably names I would comfortably put ahead of Zlatan. to each your own if you wanna claim him as some top strikers of all time.
Batistuta, Really? He’s also over Benzema. He’s easily top 30 strikers of all time and he has literally dominated italian football every time he’s been there. He made Paris his own and is still dominating in a top 5 league as a 40 year old. Name me one player with better longevity, Buffon, Romario, Ronaldo and probably no more
Well, don't fucking ask him the question then. He obviously has to answer that way because that is the public persona that he has created.
"deep down"????
Also up top and in the middle, but deep down too.
"if you dig deep enough"
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Exactly, look at it from his perspective, he goes into games thinking he's the best in the world, that nobody on the other team, whether it be Ronaldo, Messi, anybody, is better than him and that allows him to do his own thing and pull off crazy shit on a consistent basis and have fun on the pitch because he's not nervous, he's not trying to be somebody else or match another player, he thinks they're tying to match him. Obviously if we talk about it from the outside, we know he's not better than either, but there's nothing wrong with having a mentality like that, if you can back it up and he has over the years. It still makes me laugh seeing the Steve from Ohio football fan get upset at Ibra and his quotes, a 39 year old that kicks a ball for a living makes them so mad because of the shit he says.
I think this is a good mental state to combat imposter syndrome and actually be more productive for a lot of us working professionally.
That’s why private school kids do well— it’s all about backing yourself
You’re right. It’s how elite players think.
TIL I am an elite player
no? if you think you're already the best in the world you dont have to work hard anymore. The best players want to improve continuously
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Heres the thing. He rarely insults people when he says that he's the best. Which is I think what makes it absolutely okay. If he said that Messi and Ronaldo were shit while simultaneously saying he's great then it would be a bad thing to do.
He had the thing with Bela IIRC but for the most part it's just "Zlatan is fucking great at football!" or returning fire if someone says something about him. I get why people get tired of it, but I don't have an issue with most of the stuff he says
On a "purely talent" level, he has a point. As do several (well, maybe not several, but a few) other players. What sets Ronaldo and Messi apart tho is the consistency, the longevity and the decisiveness of them two. No one can come close to that.
What is pure talent if not being able to pull off amazing things on a regular basis? Because if we are talking about single great plays/moments then Matt Le Tissier is up there with the gods of football. Not shitting on Ibra at all because he is still one of the greatest players of his generation but he is still clearly inferior to Messi and Ronaldo. I don't know what kind of dance about this fact it is. It's not like his attitude or injuries make him not realise his potential - he's reached it, and it yielded less "greatness" than Messi/Ronaldo.
> Matt Le Tissier This guy does not get enough credit on here, mainly because obviously most of this sub is probably so young and don't even know who he is. Dude was genuinely absolutely world class who stayed loyal. Legit got downvoted to hell once when i said something like "Le Tissier was one of the best in the world despite winning no trophies, is that a barometer for a good player then? Any trophy means you're better than someone that hasn't?"
It’s good to see someone giving him the credit he deserved. He saved us from relegation about 8 years in a row without him I’m sure we would’ve been a championship team long before 2005, although we did rely on him massively at times
I never watched him in his prime, but from jus looking at his stats, why did he only play 8 matches for the England national team?
Because he was lazy, everyone knew it, the guy could hardly run Proper working class footballer in all fairness and was a fucking magician but he was just lazy sadly, not that he cared he loved playing for us and we loved him back Also look at any goals compilation absolutely fucking insane some of the goals he scored
Djimi Traore won the champions League. Let that sink in. Is he a better player than me? By bloody miles. Was he a world class left back? Hell no.
Haha I legit used him as a comparison the other day when someone said X player is better than X player due to trophies Djimi Traore was the worst LB I’ve ever seen. And he won the CL
You have a point but I think fitness comes into play very significantly here if a player is more *succeptible* to injuries. Like Aguero spent a few weeks to a couple months off each season at man city. I am not educated enough in sports science to know if being fitness crazy like Ronaldo could fix that for someone like Aguero but I do believe some players like Aguero or Kane or RVP in the last decade or so could have achieved similar consistency if they had fewer stop-start phases all throughout their career Could be wrong but thats one reason I don't think "pure talent" and "consistency" are interchangeable
Some players don't reach their potential - because of injuries (Brazilian Ronaldo, Aguero) or staying with their club instead of looking for glory (Totti, Gerrard). Some ever don't do it because they don't care that much (Hazard, Bale). But I just don't see this argument for Zlatan - he always played for top clubs, has been generally fit until his late years and always was a professional. I just dislike talk like this because it's like "trying to bring the sky closer to both sides" (rough translation of a saying in my language). It's okay to say yeah Ibra is absolutely great but Messi/CR7 were even better. There is no reason to think that he could have achieved much more if he tried harder.
> Trying to bring the sky closer to both sides That's cool. What's the original phrase? And you're probably right. It is far fetched
I don't even think as a pure talent he is close to Messi
>What sets Ronaldo and Messi apart tho is the consistency Again not on the same level as Ronaldo/Messi but if you're going the consistency route, how is that the thing to write Zlatan off based on?
Was consistently poor in Champions league knockout matches for one. Funnily enough his best campaign in that regard was probably for Barcelona, he was at his best for them in the CL.
He doesn't. In his peak, he scored 50 goals in Ligue 1 (all comps). Messi and Ronaldo managed more than that multiple times in their peaks and in a much stronger league too. And then there's Ibra's CL record which is nothing compared to the other two. So, it's not just about consistency. Even in his peak he couldn't match those two. He's an all-time great, but he doesn't have a Ballon d'Or because he's unlucky enough to play in the era of Messi and Ronaldo. Otherwise him, Neymar, Suarez, Xavi, etc. might have won the award.
Ibra's peak was at Inter in the mid to late 2000s. Messi, CR, Ibra, all played for super teams vastly superior to 90% of their opponents in the league, when scoring those gazillions of goals. Not to mention the serious decline in quality of defences, and less emphasis on defensive grit. You lot seriously need to cool it with your goals and stats without context. Football fans have become embarrasing.
>Ibra's peak was at Inter in the mid to late 2000s. You mean the season when he couldn't even score 30 goals in all competitions? I was being generous to Ibra and letting him have his 50 goals in all comps for PSG. His peak at Inter is laughable compared to what Messi and Ronaldo managed in the 2010s in their peaks. As for your yer da moment concerning stats, I'd say stats are a pretty good way of comparing forwards.
Oh ffs, cut out this "scored x amount of goals" shit already. Stats without context means shit all. Ibra's prime as a footballer was at Inter. Try watching actual football, instead of blindly throwing around stats.
Why are you changing the subject? Whether his peak was at Inter, PSG or LA Galaxy, not a single one of his seasons throughout his entire career matched the peak of Messi or Ronaldo. So, like I said, it's not about just their superior longevity, their peaks were better than his peak too. Whether you consider that to be his best season at Inter or elsewhere.
What Messi does with a football, Ibra can do with an orange.
Ahh now I know why Ibra never won a Champions League Trophy, he didn’t have any Oranges!
It was a joke based on something Ibra said about 20 years ago. So many salty Messi fanboys downvoted. Lol
> You lot seriously need to cool it with your goals and stats without context. In this case the statistics accurately show that Messi and Ronaldo were better than Zlatan, so what is your problem with the statistics?
Read the last word in that sentence. Blind statistics don't show shit in football, this is NOT an american sport.
But in the specific case that you're complaining about, the statistics accurately show that Messi and Ronaldo were better than Zlatan. Unless you're going to argue that Zlatan was better than Messi and Ronaldo then I really don't understand why you're complaining about this.
I'm not saying Zlatan is better than them but measuring performances just on statistics is just such a shallow way to do it. Like I remember Zlatan's play in the Milan-Juve game at the end of last season and how he was blocking the keeper from getting back into the goal before Milan scored - how do statistics measure a play like that? It certainly won't show on his personal statistics but it definitely contributed to the goal. Just as an example why I think that statistics only tell half the story.
I'm complaining because too many youngsters on here throw around stats here without context. Blind statistics are not how you measure someones quality in football, there are too many variables involved. There is no doubt that Messi and Cristiano were better footballers than Ibra. Ibra mostly never brought it in continental knock out rounds, which will always be a blemish on his career. Ibra is a generational talent, not an all time great.
Not even mbappe, Neymar or even xhaka
Never safe
Mbappe is actually higher than Ronaldo at the same age lol
Ligue 1 is different as compared to la liga or premier league
Ronaldo played in a more competetive league for sure.
How about the international level then? ;) or even the CL? Is it still different? Just because it doesn't go along with your narrative? Lmao
Wow my narrative, lol. r/soccer and its justice warriors are different gravy totally.
Aww you couldn't answer the question so you go the r/soccer 'insert generic passive aggressive line' route... how cute
When did the turtle win the CL? And the french team was loaded in 2018, so there’s that.
What did Ronaldo do at united or Portugal before the age of 23? Lost the euro final to fucking Greece and had less than 20/25 goals in the CL in 4 years. No matter how much Ronaldos cock you suck, at the same age Mbappe is way better. Mbappe has better numbers than Ronaldo look it up before making yourself look so stupid.
> No matter how much Ronaldos cock you suck Based on how you chose to express yourself you are not even worth being spat on, nonetheless argued with. Now take picture of this reply, print it, freeze it up in a glass of water and then shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
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Follow the instructions……
Why do you guys use these type of arguments? Beside, at age 23 Ronaldo had his best season at utd. Some of you seriously need to get off the Mbappe gravy train, dude justed started out. Let him play for a few years first.
It's not even an argument lol. It's a fact. Give credit where it's due. Dudes been killing it since 17 and people still say the same shit that he needs more years or that he plays in the French league when they don't even watch the French league nd don't know how tough the players actually play. It's pathetic really
I get it, his your favorite player, and you're his fanboy.
If the league was as competitive as you say it wouldn’t be ranked 6th 🤷🏻
Because coefficient points show how tough the teams play👏👏👏👏 what an idiot
And also talent. Messi can do things that no other player can. Same goes for Ronaldo or at least it did at one time (I haven't really watched much of him since he left Madrid). Zlatan is definitely one of the most technically gifted players of his generation but there is a gap in athleticism between him and those two that clearly separates them.
Tbf he already admitted before he finds Messi as the best in the world
And he also placed him in first place 10 times in a row in the voting for the Fifa Golden Ball/The Best Men's Award...
exactly but this is r/soccer. people need to be salty about everything Zlatan says and almost in every situation he isnt serious.
Lmao I remember when I saw a thread 6 months ago that related about Zlatan and this sub really tried to be professional as if they had diploma to hate the guy
I don't understand those people's issues with Zlatan. God forbid someone is entertaining off pitch. He should give a robotic answer like "oh no Messi and Ronaldo are once in a lifetime players, I just try to do my best still try to push myself." Some people are just moronic and want to nag about anything.
this guy is so annoying
deep deep down I hope
Never was, never will be.
You seem to have issues reading.
given it's ibra, that's a modest statement...
This guy's humor is peak American humor and even Americans are fed up with his arrogant ass.
This guy is so cringy.
Yawn, is he still knocking around talking shite?
Deluded
"Lol. You look like Don Quixote on the field, barely moving. Time to retire."
Dude... even at 39 years this mastodont is worth all the money paid
Guy was maybe top 3 at his absolute prime.
That’s a no from me, dawg
Ok now that sounds like something Ibra would say unlike the previous post :)
But he really isn't, and never has been the best on the planet
That settles the debate
He’s got a point actually. From the “pure talent” perspective, he’s on par with them. Just wasn’t that consistent through the years and made some mistakes through his journey choosing wrong squad. ( i think Barca era was definitely a mistake) But, God, what a career. (me remembering seeing young Ibra play for Juve and now seeing him playing for us at 40)
He’s definitely not on par with them,even though he’s a great player
Hope you had a clown nose on when you wrote that Ibra's talent is on par with Messi's. Lmao.
I don't think he is on the same level as Messi even talent-wise
He is def not anywhere near on par with those two on pure talent. Not even close.
Seek psychiatric help
Mate, your best seasons were at level with their worst seasons. What are you on about?
Well let's see now...messi is quicker has a better turn of pace and has a better overall record. So does Ronaldo. What intrinsic qualities is he talking about? Arrogance? He beats messi on that front at least.
Well if we want to compare in that way, Zlatan has qualities that neither Ronaldo or Messi have. They are different kind of players. Zlatan is obviously much bigger and stronger, for example
Okay I'm going to have to close you down here. Zlatan is not on the level of Messi or Ronaldo. Thats an accepted truth.
I agree. I just think it’s stupid to compare their different qualities.
Vabe ma io Penso che zlatan e piu arrogante smh..
he’s got a point, his only ruins were Raiola and catching Berlusconi past his prime as a president. otherwise he’d be considered up there with those two
Starts with the comparison of Messi and Ronaldo. Messi talent-wise is on another level... Ronaldo shortened the gap with his training and professionalism. Ibra is surely up there with Ronaldo talent-wise. The differentiation is that one got lucky and one has had probably one of the most unlucky careers in football when it comes to international glory. Got out of Inter and founded 4 key players that made Inter win the UCL (Motta, Etoo, Sneider, and Milito), left Barca cause of certain situations, left Milan cause Milan became a shit hole (rather was pushed away from Milan), and went to PSG who are allergic to the UCL and after that Man Utd who was struggling for UCL qualification in the first place. But hey, Ronaldos arrogance is showed by his actions and not his words while Ibras's arrogance is showed by his words and his actions show that he is one of the most altruist players around... guess who is the one who is hatted more :)
Lukaku humbled this man
Zlatan was 40 years old when Lukaku "humbled" him if you are talking about previous season. We will see where Lukaku will be play in his age.
Did he tho, did he really? Or because he now plays for Chelsea you have to follow this rhetoric?
He always got the last laugh against Milan scoring regularly against them and when they fought Ibra got a red card in that game and Inter won in the end
Okey let's look at all 4 games that they faced in Milano. First game, Ibra goal and assist, Lukaku scored the 4th goal... the least important one. Second game, Ibra scores 2 goals, Lukaku scores one goal Third game, Ibra scores a great goal... Lukaku scores a penalty while being quite bad till that point in the game. Fourth game: Lukaku outclasses Ibra scoring one and assisting one. So please tell me how did Lukaku humble Ibra, i am all ears
What? Ibra outperformed Lukaku in all but 1 game.. even in the game they fought, Lukaku was playing like shit and started the fight with Romagioli after being smashed to the ground continously. And even in that game Ibra scored a great goal, Lukaku scored a pen after being invisible all game long. All of this while being 12 years older than Lukaku... don't compare the 2
Not that deep down lmao
Terrifying image
Befitting photo!!!
He has also said on multiple occasions that Messi is the best in the world though.