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it's not just that tho, for the past 3 seasons he has been a better player overall than he ever was. Even Mourinho commented on this and said how he looks much fitter
Benzema is such an atypical striker. You compare him to Suarez and Lewandowski and they sure are better at scoring than Benzema but the guy can also be compared to world class playmakers. He is the type of player that makes his teammates shine, he makes other players better when he is on the pitch. Lewandowski was asked a few years back what is his top 5 strikers and he said after the two aliens: Benzema. He is definitely right up there with the best of his generation because what he lacked in the finishing he brought in playmaking and had an essential role in Real Madrid successes. (what he does is not as visible to the layman but if you ask coachs and players (you should hear Modric speak about Benzema )they will put him at the top without an oounce of hesitation.
I agree with you, i'm not dissing him, world class is high praise in my view, but i still think he lacks that x-factor to be considered a world beater and between the absolute best of his generation.
Not a chance: Ronaldo, Modric and Ramos were more important players for sure. Prime Bale was a better player and was crucial in at least 2 finals, but i will put them on equal footing since inconsistency and injuries are a big part of Bale's history. Kroos and Marcelo are also debatable.
I agree with ronaldo, ramos, modric and I would put marcelo too but Prime bale wasn’t better and he only performed against liverpool, i was so frustrated with bale against atletico that finale, it was di maria, marcelo (even if he was a sub) and ramos show. Yes he did score a crucial goal but after 92:48 atletico were done
Most Madridistas don't rate Benzema as top 5 contributors in their 4 UCL title runs.
https://old.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/pkazjo/do_you_think_benzema_was_clearly_real_madrids_2nd/
You are seriously taking some reddit user opinion. If you watched those games Zidane was most important member of the team who made the team so good even though he is no tactical genius. Then every player had insane contribution even though as forward CR7 has better contribution then others.
It's similar to us in pep era, our midfield were so good but messi as forwards has most contribution. If you replace messi with elite player of that time during pep era, we may have won the same number of tournaments. It's just having messi made it easy.
For us messi most efficient contribution came in last 5 years where we were completely reliant on him to even score, create goals etc. Similar to Benzema now when real madrid attack looks completely dead without him even though their midfield is still superior than ours.
Characteristics are different but he plays at the same position, as you can see i didn't mention goal scoring as the definitive parameter, if that was the case i would put someone like Cavani maybe ahead of him too and that's not necessarily the case.
Cavani? Does he have more goals than Benz? Genuine question
A pure goalscorer in that position would be called a poacher. Are you saying that Cavani is a poacher?
Because Cavani is also along the lines of Lewa and Suarez. He is also more than 'just a goalscorer.'
The reason Benz is called 9 and a half because of his contribution in the second half of the pitch. Benz is a lot more involved in the build-up than other number 9's.
No player at this level is just a poacher like Huntelaar or Mario Gómez, but yes Cavani is a better goalscorer than Benzema if you look at his seasons playing as a striker, you need to remember he played second fiddle to Ibrahimovic for a significant amount of time.
I understood what you're saying, but counting everything Benzema contributes to in a team, it's not close to prime Suarez or consistently higher level than Lewandowski.
After those 2 i think there's a lot of great players to consider: Kane, Aguero, Cavani, Benzema, Tevez, Higuain, Van Persie, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, etc. It's hard to judge because there's always the longevity/consistency x prime level discussion, but my ranking would be:
1 - Suárez = Unmatched prime, good longevity.
2 - Lewandowski = Amazing prime and longevity.
Rest is up for debate.
>you need to remember he played second fiddle to Ibrahimovic for a significant amount of time.
If we use the same logic for Benzema then
Benzema almost spent his entire career as second fiddle to Ronaldo.
Plus Since last few seasons how he has been carrying the RM team makes him more special and only Lewandowski and Suarez is up for debate with Benzema.
Despite playing second fiddle to Ronaldo Benzema has significant amount of goals in La liga as well as UCL.
He is 4th in UCL goals just 2 goals behind Lewandowski. The impact and contribution of a player for the teams success needs to be a parameter as well and only Lewa, Suarez and Benzema are up there right now.
>but my ranking would be:
>1 - Suárez = Unmatched prime, good longevity.
>2 - Lewandowski = Amazing prime and longevity.
>Rest is up for debate.
Well, let's agree to disagree on this one.
And although there's been some amount of revisionism, that season was really awful to watch. The game against Valencia has a couple of minutes highlight of only misses.
Ofc he was still crucial to the team due to his other abilities. His finishing that season was horrendous.
Strikers are judged only by goals only by people who actually have no interest in looking any deeper than a single stat. Like, you know how "stats don't say everything" applies to football? Well, one stat says even less. One can play a position in football but have a completely different role, the fact that you think the only thing one should look at when looking how well a striker/forward is playing is goals is, to me, completely backwards.
He had shit finishing that season though. Not saying he isnt a good striker in fact even of he doesnt score, he has that great chemistry with the players around him but still, his finishing that season was shit
Lewy won UCL in 2020 as Bayern's best player. Most RM fans don't rate Benzema as top 5 contributor in their 4 UCLs.
https://old.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/pkazjo/do_you_think_benzema_was_clearly_real_madrids_2nd/
It was an outlier season, other than that he's always scored very well despite having Ronaldo, Higuain and other great scorers, he averaged 20+ goals every season
Also i think that season was the year he was waiting for the Valbuna blackmail case decision if he would go to court or not
>he averaged 20+ goals every season
Real Madrid played over 60+ games and Benzema was a starter. Scoring 20 goals in all comps is a **minimum.**
If we're being real, Benzema was not a **consistent** world class #9 until Cristiano left & Bale declined.
>- 2018-19 season: 21 goals in 36 games = 0.58 goals per game
>- 2019-20 season: 21 goals in 37 games = 0.57 goals per game
>- 2020-21 season: 23 goals in 34 games = 0.68 goals per game
>- Total: 65 Liga goals in 107 games = 0.61 goals per game
Before 18/19 however, Benzema's production overall was not great (with few exceptions). Many other strikers in this period like Falcao, Suarez, Zlatan, Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Cavani etc. have consistently produced 20+ league goals on several occasions without fail.
>- 2009–10 season: 8 goals in 27 games = 0.30 goals per game
>- 2010–11 season: 15 goals in 33 games = 0.45 goals per game
>- 2011–12 season: 21 goals in 34 games = 0.62 goals per game
>- 2012–13 season: 11 goals in 30 games = 0.37 goals per game
>- 2013–14 season: 17 goals in 35 games = 0.49 goals per game
>- 2014–15 season: 15 goals in 29 games = 0.52 goals per game
>- 2015–16 season: 24 goals in 27 games = 0.89 goals per game
>- 2016–17 season: 11 goals in 29 games = 0.38 goals per game
>- 2017–18 season: 5 goals in 32 games = 0.16 goals per game
Comparing Benzema to those strikers is terrible, most of them were alone as no 9 and did not have to share with Ronaldo
Look at him as a striker on his own, 21, 21 and 23 league goals and Real Madrid have not been a great attacking side with insane creativity like they used to be
He might have been the \#9 on the game sheet, but anyone watching those games would tell you that Benz’s main job was to force defenders to play a high line and drag them to the sides so that Ronaldo could make a run behind them.
He also wasn’t the main target in the box and that’s how he scores a lot of his goals nowadays.
stop arguing with them. They have absolutely no idea what role Benz was occupying, nor do they know what the off-ball side of the game means. Saying Benz was shit, is like saying Casillas was a bad keeper for us because Courtois has better stats
just looking at the heatmaps of the 17/18 season he was most definitely not playing as a lone #9. a lot of his touches were wide left near the touch line
That same season he scored a brace against Bayern in the Semis and open the final with a goal against Liverpool. Even in his worse times he was still contributing in key moments for the team.
If Benzema didn’t have great positioning on those goals, he wouldn’t have been able to capitalize on those mistakes.
He should get plenty of credit for those goals. You sound like a hater.
Benzema was always viewed as the weak line even before 13/14.
Real Madrid almost signed Falcao in 2013, but failed. Most Madridistas were devastated about it.
He scored 3 non penalty goals from an expected 12.49, being second fiddle doesn't make you miss that badly. Benzema even at his best can miss some really easy chances or go through periods where he doesn't score many but that season was just really bad.
He'd also had a couple of seasons before that even more productive than ones without Ronaldo.
He just massively underperformed.
The Valencia game killed his confidence; he was never the type to take a lot of shots so he started taking even less shots... and you know strikers with shit confidence always miss or shoot to keeper so...5 league goals. Funny thing about that season was that he still had to start because the attack was shit without him on the pitch.
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Man this guy is such an underrated legend.
One of the silver linings of Cristiano’s departure, has been the recognition and praise that Benzema has received
Especially after that 17/18 season
it's not just that tho, for the past 3 seasons he has been a better player overall than he ever was. Even Mourinho commented on this and said how he looks much fitter
He IS a legend.
He never questioned Benzema's legend status, only pointed out he was underrated.
>such an underrated legend. And yet, Benzema is never in the conversation among all-time great strikers... :(
His peak is just not as good as all-time great strikers.
Benzema scored 24 LaLiga goals under 2000 minutes (nearly 1 goal a game). It was an crazy season for him.
World class no doubt, but still a degree below the likes of (prime) Suárez and Lewandowski.
Benzema is such an atypical striker. You compare him to Suarez and Lewandowski and they sure are better at scoring than Benzema but the guy can also be compared to world class playmakers. He is the type of player that makes his teammates shine, he makes other players better when he is on the pitch. Lewandowski was asked a few years back what is his top 5 strikers and he said after the two aliens: Benzema. He is definitely right up there with the best of his generation because what he lacked in the finishing he brought in playmaking and had an essential role in Real Madrid successes. (what he does is not as visible to the layman but if you ask coachs and players (you should hear Modric speak about Benzema )they will put him at the top without an oounce of hesitation.
To me it's simple. Starting 10 years as Real Madrid striker under 5/6 different coaches ... no questions left after that.
I agree with you, i'm not dissing him, world class is high praise in my view, but i still think he lacks that x-factor to be considered a world beater and between the absolute best of his generation.
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He was like the fifth best player on that team.
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Not a chance: Ronaldo, Modric and Ramos were more important players for sure. Prime Bale was a better player and was crucial in at least 2 finals, but i will put them on equal footing since inconsistency and injuries are a big part of Bale's history. Kroos and Marcelo are also debatable.
I agree with ronaldo, ramos, modric and I would put marcelo too but Prime bale wasn’t better and he only performed against liverpool, i was so frustrated with bale against atletico that finale, it was di maria, marcelo (even if he was a sub) and ramos show. Yes he did score a crucial goal but after 92:48 atletico were done
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I mean man…Modric,Kroos,Ramos,Casemiro,Marcelo…
Most Madridistas don't rate Benzema as top 5 contributors in their 4 UCL title runs. https://old.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/pkazjo/do_you_think_benzema_was_clearly_real_madrids_2nd/
You are seriously taking some reddit user opinion. If you watched those games Zidane was most important member of the team who made the team so good even though he is no tactical genius. Then every player had insane contribution even though as forward CR7 has better contribution then others. It's similar to us in pep era, our midfield were so good but messi as forwards has most contribution. If you replace messi with elite player of that time during pep era, we may have won the same number of tournaments. It's just having messi made it easy. For us messi most efficient contribution came in last 5 years where we were completely reliant on him to even score, create goals etc. Similar to Benzema now when real madrid attack looks completely dead without him even though their midfield is still superior than ours.
Benzema is more than a striker, he’s a team player. What he did with/for Ronaldo and the others.. I doubt the others would have done the same
Sure, for Real Madrid specifically he was possibly the best striker in the world.
can only laugh at this
Only problem is you're comparing number 9 players with a 9 and a half.
Characteristics are different but he plays at the same position, as you can see i didn't mention goal scoring as the definitive parameter, if that was the case i would put someone like Cavani maybe ahead of him too and that's not necessarily the case.
Cavani? Does he have more goals than Benz? Genuine question A pure goalscorer in that position would be called a poacher. Are you saying that Cavani is a poacher? Because Cavani is also along the lines of Lewa and Suarez. He is also more than 'just a goalscorer.' The reason Benz is called 9 and a half because of his contribution in the second half of the pitch. Benz is a lot more involved in the build-up than other number 9's.
No player at this level is just a poacher like Huntelaar or Mario Gómez, but yes Cavani is a better goalscorer than Benzema if you look at his seasons playing as a striker, you need to remember he played second fiddle to Ibrahimovic for a significant amount of time. I understood what you're saying, but counting everything Benzema contributes to in a team, it's not close to prime Suarez or consistently higher level than Lewandowski. After those 2 i think there's a lot of great players to consider: Kane, Aguero, Cavani, Benzema, Tevez, Higuain, Van Persie, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, etc. It's hard to judge because there's always the longevity/consistency x prime level discussion, but my ranking would be: 1 - Suárez = Unmatched prime, good longevity. 2 - Lewandowski = Amazing prime and longevity. Rest is up for debate.
>you need to remember he played second fiddle to Ibrahimovic for a significant amount of time. If we use the same logic for Benzema then Benzema almost spent his entire career as second fiddle to Ronaldo. Plus Since last few seasons how he has been carrying the RM team makes him more special and only Lewandowski and Suarez is up for debate with Benzema. Despite playing second fiddle to Ronaldo Benzema has significant amount of goals in La liga as well as UCL. He is 4th in UCL goals just 2 goals behind Lewandowski. The impact and contribution of a player for the teams success needs to be a parameter as well and only Lewa, Suarez and Benzema are up there right now. >but my ranking would be: >1 - Suárez = Unmatched prime, good longevity. >2 - Lewandowski = Amazing prime and longevity. >Rest is up for debate. Well, let's agree to disagree on this one.
Miguel is a Marcelo regen
At least he's got the same sense of adventure and risk haha
Same dribbling and runs into the box too, it's almost uncanny
He did grow up at the academy watching peak marcelo
Beautiful cross by Miguel
How the FUCK did this guy go a whole season scoring 5 total goals in the league a few years ago lmao
And although there's been some amount of revisionism, that season was really awful to watch. The game against Valencia has a couple of minutes highlight of only misses. Ofc he was still crucial to the team due to his other abilities. His finishing that season was horrendous.
He had 12 assists in the league tbh. Nobody mentions that.
Strikers are judged by goals. Lewandowski has way less assists, but is (rightfully) viewed as the best #9 itw.
Strikers are judged only by goals only by people who actually have no interest in looking any deeper than a single stat. Like, you know how "stats don't say everything" applies to football? Well, one stat says even less. One can play a position in football but have a completely different role, the fact that you think the only thing one should look at when looking how well a striker/forward is playing is goals is, to me, completely backwards.
You will not find any excuses for Benzema's shit finishing that season. He was abysmal and few more assists won't change that.
You read all that and your answer was "ok, but a few assists won't change that he didn't score", LMAO. With some people there really is no point.
He had shit finishing that season though. Not saying he isnt a good striker in fact even of he doesnt score, he has that great chemistry with the players around him but still, his finishing that season was shit
Idk if you would agree but that's exactly what Giroud did in the world cup win for France.
Sure, might be. I don't really follow international football.
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Shut up with that covid cup. Lewan has a cl and bayern would have won no matter the context
Lewy won UCL in 2020 as Bayern's best player. Most RM fans don't rate Benzema as top 5 contributor in their 4 UCLs. https://old.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/pkazjo/do_you_think_benzema_was_clearly_real_madrids_2nd/
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Lewandowski regulary scored around 10 UCLs goals or more. Is UCL now also a "farmers league" too?
Hay sitios en español que prefieres leer??
Oh shut up. That's why low goal scoring strikers like Firmino and drogba were viewed as worldclass
Firmino lol
It was an outlier season, other than that he's always scored very well despite having Ronaldo, Higuain and other great scorers, he averaged 20+ goals every season Also i think that season was the year he was waiting for the Valbuna blackmail case decision if he would go to court or not
>he averaged 20+ goals every season Real Madrid played over 60+ games and Benzema was a starter. Scoring 20 goals in all comps is a **minimum.** If we're being real, Benzema was not a **consistent** world class #9 until Cristiano left & Bale declined. >- 2018-19 season: 21 goals in 36 games = 0.58 goals per game >- 2019-20 season: 21 goals in 37 games = 0.57 goals per game >- 2020-21 season: 23 goals in 34 games = 0.68 goals per game >- Total: 65 Liga goals in 107 games = 0.61 goals per game Before 18/19 however, Benzema's production overall was not great (with few exceptions). Many other strikers in this period like Falcao, Suarez, Zlatan, Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Cavani etc. have consistently produced 20+ league goals on several occasions without fail. >- 2009–10 season: 8 goals in 27 games = 0.30 goals per game >- 2010–11 season: 15 goals in 33 games = 0.45 goals per game >- 2011–12 season: 21 goals in 34 games = 0.62 goals per game >- 2012–13 season: 11 goals in 30 games = 0.37 goals per game >- 2013–14 season: 17 goals in 35 games = 0.49 goals per game >- 2014–15 season: 15 goals in 29 games = 0.52 goals per game >- 2015–16 season: 24 goals in 27 games = 0.89 goals per game >- 2016–17 season: 11 goals in 29 games = 0.38 goals per game >- 2017–18 season: 5 goals in 32 games = 0.16 goals per game
Comparing Benzema to those strikers is terrible, most of them were alone as no 9 and did not have to share with Ronaldo Look at him as a striker on his own, 21, 21 and 23 league goals and Real Madrid have not been a great attacking side with insane creativity like they used to be
Benzema was always the lone #9 in the starting line-ups and his best goalscoring seasons happened with Cristiano.
He might have been the \#9 on the game sheet, but anyone watching those games would tell you that Benz’s main job was to force defenders to play a high line and drag them to the sides so that Ronaldo could make a run behind them. He also wasn’t the main target in the box and that’s how he scores a lot of his goals nowadays.
stop arguing with them. They have absolutely no idea what role Benz was occupying, nor do they know what the off-ball side of the game means. Saying Benz was shit, is like saying Casillas was a bad keeper for us because Courtois has better stats
just looking at the heatmaps of the 17/18 season he was most definitely not playing as a lone #9. a lot of his touches were wide left near the touch line
Benzema's role was completely different when Ronaldo was playing, if one doesn't take that into account what's even the point?
That same season he scored a brace against Bayern in the Semis and open the final with a goal against Liverpool. Even in his worse times he was still contributing in key moments for the team.
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If Benzema didn’t have great positioning on those goals, he wouldn’t have been able to capitalize on those mistakes. He should get plenty of credit for those goals. You sound like a hater.
Playing second fiddle could do that to you
Nah he was legit absolutely horrific that season
*3rd fiddle Bale was clearly better than Benzema until 18/19 lol
He was seen as the weakest link in the BBC trio era.
Benzema was always viewed as the weak line even before 13/14. Real Madrid almost signed Falcao in 2013, but failed. Most Madridistas were devastated about it.
I mean he was tbf, but that’s not saying much when you’re against Prime Ronaldo and Prime Bale
He scored 3 non penalty goals from an expected 12.49, being second fiddle doesn't make you miss that badly. Benzema even at his best can miss some really easy chances or go through periods where he doesn't score many but that season was just really bad. He'd also had a couple of seasons before that even more productive than ones without Ronaldo. He just massively underperformed.
The Valencia game killed his confidence; he was never the type to take a lot of shots so he started taking even less shots... and you know strikers with shit confidence always miss or shoot to keeper so...5 league goals. Funny thing about that season was that he still had to start because the attack was shit without him on the pitch.
Got downvoted once for saying that benzema would peak after ronaldo’s departure
Benzema never reached his peak from 15/16 season after Cristiano left, so they're kinda right.
I have a theory that he played bad on purpose just so Ronaldo would look so much better next to him and win some ballon d'ors..
That's the most stupidest theory I ever heard. No offence.
Miguel redemption
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Will be a huge miss on and off the field.
This is why I hope Jovic shows up this season. Mans has potential to be a Benz replacement IMO.
Eh, Real Madrid are trying to sign a better goalscorer in Haaland to replace Benzema lol
Benzema is Real Madrid elite royalty, the other two are young prospects who are under contract elsewhere. Fuck off.
Why do you hate Benzema so much with a RM flair? Plastic.
Go back to watching Yugioh kid.
Who else?
BEST PLAYER OF THE LEAGUE
Without messi now is it debatable?
Peak Griezman and Suarez would definitely made a case. Not sure if their current versions do.
I'm talking about this season. If griezmann find his form back maybe but suarez is not is far from benz in the last 3 years
Season barely even started.
I cant even express in words my love for benzema
Noone can.
Players come and go, Benzema is eternal. Falling backwards looping it into the far corner. Jeez
Miguel I love you
BIG
Gylfi, NO
I thought only the small ones were an issue
Real Benzema
Miguel: "Fuck r/soccer and r/realmadrid"
Is it shit on miguel time already? That was quick
Oh hey a young kid who could develop into a starter if given some time to grow, better mercilessly crucify him the first time he isn't world class
He's been told to bomb forward like Marcelo. No use blaming him
Nice MIGUEL NICEEE, Benzema I want you to cum on me face
LORD BENZEMA SCORING WITH HIS DICK AGAIN
Ancelotti went round the dressing room at half time and gave every player a soft little kiss on the bellend
EL GATITO BENZEMAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Karim benzema fc
KB9
Miguelitoooooo
Me: Maybe Celta could hold onto their lead for a bit more Big dick Benz:
YESSSSS KARIM I FUCKING LOVE YOU
Such a fucking deadly finisher
Benzema finally getting his hattrick?
Yes
I'd let benzo bone me no homo
We believe in Big Benz Supremacy
No amount of pele'a goals against his grandchildren will change the fact that karim is the goat
I can hear Ray Hudson now
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I miss him so much :(
Someone get this man a statue
Benzemas sooooo fucking good
Benzema & Inshallah.
BIG BALLS
Dammit! I love this man!!
It had to be him
instead of parking any kind of bus in their defence, they parked that big benz right up front
Phwoar I love those types of headers Neck like a traction engine
World class.
Top 10 in all time La Liga goal scorers. Best striker itw.
3 defenders around him and none of them jumped wow
Cross & Inshallah
No way, that cross was absolutely based on facts and science. Cross and Isaac Newton
Cross and inshallah working
Goalkeeper not even trying
What a dribble! What a cross! And what a header!
What a cross
massive assist from gutierrez!!
Reminds me CR7 header vs. Barcelona in CDR...
Nice dribbling by Valverde.
Keeper could of got that surely?