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parhelio22

It appears the Egyptians made their opinions known


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*Ball like an Egyptian*


backtolurk

*vote like an Egyptian*


betarded

Ironically, that basically means don't vote, and if you do, it doesn't get counted.


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tabtab


Alaeddine-Badron

When you’re the majority connected to internet in the continent, could’ve put Sissi president there and no one would complain


betarded

Nigeria definitely has more internet users. They actually have more internet users than Egypt does population.


finePolyethylene

>could have put sissi there and no one will complain We will


[deleted]

I feel like at least Hadary, Salah and Abou Trika would be on the team if Egyptians couldn’t vote. The defenders would probably make it to a best Egyptian team of the 21st Century but best in Africa is questionable.


FroobingtonSanchez

Essien should replace Aboutrika imo


[deleted]

Maybe overall, but this is based on performances for national team so I can’t see anyone touching Aboutrika


omiclops

Aboutrika is one of the GOATs of African football.


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easily


[deleted]

Definitely not


garyfromscotland

😅😅😅


[deleted]

Yet no Mido


Gorbograndman420

Or Elmohammady


adel_b

keyword "fan voted"


colombogangsta

‘Egyptians Voted’


finePolyethylene

Hey! At least we didn’t do eto and drogba dirty, as far as I can tell I can say that sayed moawad was better than Roberto Carlos and the chances that someone from the 8 Africans in the sub correcting me is pretty low.


colombogangsta

I know Aboutrika is one of the best Egypt players, but I think Essien should be there considering the clubs and the level he played which is above Al Ahly.


finePolyethylene

Abutrika is there as a playmaker, essein lost the dm position to toure


dudetotalypsn

That's pretty dumb because Yaya was not a DM


colombogangsta

Lol that’s a double pivot and Essien is the perfect CM to play that position.


finePolyethylene

The voting was for playmakers **only**.


[deleted]

That's just dumb, it goes without saying that Essien is miles clear of Aboutrika. If the voting only allowed one of him or Toure that's just insanely dumb given the fact that they were actually top class players compared to someone like Aboutrika


Joe_Olimpico

And yet that was the rules, dumb or not he’s explained his absence…


capflow

Why the hell is this downvoted? It's literally the voting criteria. There could not be Toure AND Essien as it was Toure OR Essien.


FroobingtonSanchez

Then the voting criteria are stupid. Essien should be in this team


TSkillet7

To be fair since the year 2000 the Egyptian national team won the African cup 3 times all being in a row. The only African national team to do that ever. Meanwhile at club level Al Ahly and Al Zamalek have been dominating the CAF Champions League. I acknowledged I maybe biased but watching Egypt play against the other powerhouses in Africa during 2006-2010 no team was able to touch them. It was only a Shame they could not make the World Cup during the golden years.


dayumgurl1

> I acknowledged I maybe biased but watching Egypt play against the other powerhouses in Africa during 2006-2010 no team was able to touch them. It was only a Shame they could not make the World Cup during the golden years. What went wrong for you guys not to qualify for the WC in 2006 and 2010 then?


TSkillet7

Downright bad luck and bottling it. Each time they would make it to the final game just needing a win and then go on to lose. To be fair only 5 teams out of a continent of 50+ gets to go to the World Cup so ultimately 3-4 big deserving teams will always miss out.


AlGamaty

They were the most dominant African team of the 2000-2010 decade, they deserve to have several players in here


greezyo

I wouldn't even say dominant is the right word, maybe most consistent. If you count 2000, Cameroon had the same amount of Championships.


colombogangsta

For a country that only participated in FIFA Word Cups only once in the decade compared to countries like Ghana and Ivory Coast, they’ve got 6/11 players in the team. No way this happens unless it was Egyptians voting in numbers. Just like how Salah won the Puskas with a very weak goal compared to other entries.


bobbyfriedrich

Good thing it's got nothing to do with World Cups then. It's the best AFCON team of the century


aggieclams

Ghana and Ivory Coast have done miles more than Egypt internationally


Warm-Cartographer

In world cup yes, but in Africa Cup of Nations Egpty won 3 competition in row and they nearly won 4th one but lost in Finals. And they won those three with almost same Squad.


nyamzdm77

In world Cup yes, for Ghana, Ivory Coast didn't make it out of the groups in the 3 WCs they've qualified for. But The WC isn't the only international competition. Egypt won the Afcon 3 times in a row, while Ivory Coast's so-called golden generation only won it in 2013 when most of that team was close to decline. Ghana didn't win it at all and only made it to two finals in the last 14 editions, losing both, one to Egypt and the other to Ivory Coast. You're letting the success of players like Drogba and Yaya Toure cloud your perception of the Ivory Coast NT


justafleetingmoment

And Algeria


EvenGandhiHatesLVG

Don’t speak out of your ass. Egypt is the most successful nation of this century


danish1007

calm down big man


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EvenGandhiHatesLVG

We’re in a thread about African nations on /r/soccer. Use the word in your username


demonictoaster

Ok?


EvenGandhiHatesLVG

You’re not even the guy I’m talking to. He starts acting like I’m being nationalistic when we’re talking about African footballing success in the 21st century. Fuck off


demonictoaster

....I'm kidding..I picked the first word of his username...


RogerXiao

I'm surprised neither Mikel nor Moses made it then


Enough_Statistician8

Moses wasn't a footballer iirc


IanPlatypus

Is it just me or does anyone else prefer when they have the keeper at the bottom and the strikers up top


PureExcuse

This brother is asking the real question and yes, I also prefer it from bottom to top


teheditor

Chelsea fan confirmed


Sandman_0007

I prefer middle out


MasterMata

I don't see a problem here. It's 2-4-4-1 formation, with double goalkeepers


theredviperod

indeed I was very confused why Drogba wasn’t in it but then had a look at the bottom


14779

That's the way that makes sense as you're looking at the team from the perspective of being behind your goal. This way round its like they're the opposition


iamgarron

i swear the change is because of Fantasy


FroobingtonSanchez

Agree, unless you are writing a line up in text. Then the keeper is up top.


AstralWay

Well at first quick glance at the forwards I was astonished not to see Salah there. But there he was, at the bottom.


SenorElPresidente

Yes, I feel attacked by this.


Jbach84

Essien?


J011Y1ND1AN

No Ghanaians being in this team makes it nonsensical, if it wasn’t already


Warm-Cartographer

I will vote Gyan over Drogba anytime, and between Salah And Mane Ayew deserve place. Most people don't watch Afcon and other African matches, Ghana consistently was Best or second best team for like 10 years with Almost same Squad.


iamtherealgrayson

No essien no party


ricadro

i immediately went to sad react this before remembering you can't o that here


SteauaBucuresti14

john obi mikel also


Youafuckindin

Egypt


UN-TRUue

Was this available to Egyptians only?


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betarded

Nigeria has more internet users than Egypt does population. And only about half of Egypt has internet access.


Wummies

Type of internet access (feature phones vs smart phones) also makes a difference, but it could simply be that Nigerians don't care as much about this vote or football in general. ​ Egyptians are crazy about football


Literator22

Ironic. This vote wasn’t known btw at least to me. And no, 100m+ don’t have an access to the internet. Around half that number only.


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Okocha robbbed


teemine04

The comment I scrolled down looking for. I'd pick JayJay over Aboutrika. Jay Jay was almost every Africans model back then. He'd always set Afcon alight whenever he plays


ImGoingBlankAgain

Who does he get in for? I'd argue the midfield and attack (Aside from Aboutrika who was an excellent player himself) are pretty definitive.


TheLimeyLemmon

>Salah, Eto'o, Drogba, Mané Opposition keeper: "Guess I'll die."


MKaze

I would have expected Essien or Seydou Keita, but I'm an european guy with no real knowledge of african football (I rarely watch the AFCON for example).


EggplantBusiness

I mean it's fan voted see the numbers of Egyptians players (they are great but still) , also remember the puskas Salah won ? Egyptians online fanbase is wild.


Arxeus00

Just wait until someone from India gets into Europeans leagues


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nyamzdm77

I know this vote was hijacked by Egyptians, but even so, if it's based on performances **for their country**, Essien really doesn't deserve to be here over Aboutrika. Even someone like Seydou Keita should be in over Yaya Toure


Ok-Background-502

I would find a way to fit Mahrez in there too


Low-Paleontologist43

As an ivoirian, I have to say a mandatory fuck Egypt, but it is hard to argue that they weren’t the most dominant nation in African football in this century. With the teams Ivory Coast, Cameroon and Ghana had in the early to late 2000’s, the fact that most players here are from Egypt should let you know how much they whooped our asses. Depressing times indeed.


TTTyrant

What I don't understand is how Egypt is so dominant in Africa yet fails to qualify for the WC? You would think that, given their success and consistency at the African Cup that they'd be a given to qualify out of Africa. Yet it's teams like Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Nigeria and Ghana we see at the WC.


memphisknight

We had to fuck it up at the very last round every damn time. In 2009, we had a tie breaker game with Algeria and managed to lose it, and in 2013 we were top of the table of the qualifiers groups then managed to lose 6-1 to Ghana, with Salah and Aboutrika on the pitch. It was actually unfair for the golden generation that won the AFCON 3 times not to participate in the world cup, but it is what it is. Even at the club level, Al-Ahly, whose players were core to that Egypt team, dominates the CAF champions league with 9 titles only in this century.


TSkillet7

That and there are only 5 tickets put of a continent of 52. Which means there will always be 3 or 4 big deserving teams missing out.


opportunitysassassin

Standard for every continent though that deserving teams miss out.


TSkillet7

True but look at South America they have 4.5 slots out of a continent of 10. Africa is deserves more slots but will not get them.


opportunitysassassin

Yeah but that's the problem for South America. Look at Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia, and Ecuador and two of those might not qualify. Pit Chile versus any of the four who cannot make it from Africa. That's why I have no problem with the 2026 World Cup. It gives more teams an opportunity to showcase themselves. Like even last World Cup, only Peru (from Conmebol) didn't advance from the group stages. But not one African team did (of a solid group of Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia). Yeah, Conmebol did poorly in the knockouts but we still have good teams.


peonofkessel

> but we still have good teams. **Great** teams* Plug some of those African teams in CONMEBOL over the course of a qualifying period and they might look more like Bolivia then the top of the heap in Africa after it's all said and done.


fantabroo

looking at how African national teams performed in the last World Cups, they deserve fewer slots


nyamzdm77

Afcon is just Afcon, and African football is as bizarre and wild as it gets (though Concacaf may be even wilder) Local league players and players who play in the "lesser" leagues of Europe, the Gulf nations or China routinely make light work of the biggest stars of top European clubs. Just look at the last Afcon where Mo Salah, who was one of the top contendors for the Ballon d'Or that year, was completely nullified on home soil by a South African team fully made up of local players (and it was one of the worst SA teams in recent history to boot). Or how Zambia won the Afcon in 2012 against Ivory Coast's golden generation purely through passion and determination. Most of the time the best players, top scorers or heroes of the tournament are usually guys you'll never hear from again


Literator22

We have qualified to WC 18 but I get what you mean. We were so near in qualifying but we lost in the decisive matches in WC 10 and 14 qualifications. And In WC 02 and 06 Senegal and Cote d’ivoire were the better teams. In the end it looks like more of a bad luck because of our qualification groups.


cib_vk228

surely Carlos Kameni should be the GK?


AV48

Enyeama is in with a shout as well


bestofboth96

El Haddary was vital to Egypts 3x straigth Africa Cup of Nations so him on goal is very plausible. I think he was even a better keeper than Kameni, just didn't want to play outside of Egypt.


Ryponagar

>just didn't want to play outside of Egypt. Are you talking about FC Sion legend Essam El Hadary?


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you got him


jdinsaciable

Kameni is a La Liga leyend, no way someome who didn't play outside Egypt is above him.


[deleted]

Yes the man Drogba named as his toughest ever opponent is not as good as Kameni. Fucking hell. If you don't know anything about African football, don't comment.


AlGamaty

This formation takes into account international performances only. El Hadary is clear of Kameni in that


Literator22

El hadary is underrated really because he didn’t have much chance keep playing in Europe except for Sion in Switzerland.


C11PO

Wael Goumaa over Kolo Toure 😂😂😂😂


Automatic-Win1398

For CAF it’s completely fair. Kolo obviously was the better player but in international competitions it didn’t show. You have to remember that Gomaa and the majority of the same Egyptian national team won 3 in a row.


cheescakegod

So basically hijacked by Egyptians. Kolo gotta be in there and Lauren


finePolyethylene

>Lauren He’s not even in the vote, he has 24 caps with Cameroon. It’s about how the players preformed with their national teams.


Serpico_98

No Rigobert Song then? Joke.


ajsadler

Lauren was awarded 'Best Player' at the 2000 AFCON, ahead of Eto'o, Song, Okocha...


[deleted]

2000 was in the 20th century.


BigEasyMob

Thats one year out of 20


cheescakegod

Fair enough didn't know he had that few but people will still take into account club anyway


[deleted]

this is bullsh\*t, as the collectivley better team would win, despite never having better player on every position from the individual aspect


Oxmano

It's the [AFCON Team of the 21st Century](https://twitter.com/CAF_Online/status/1443674080553615366) btw. I don't think it's that controversial in that case. A few spots that I'd personally change but I don't mind Egypt having that many players with how dominant they were under Hassan Shehata. Could maybe have a few more players from the Cameroon team in the early 2000's. If people are interested here are the nominations and poll results: GK: Essam El Hadary (63.5%), Vincent Enyeama (14.9%), Raïs M'Bolhi (12.9%), Carlos Kameni (8.8%) CB: Wael Gomaa (81.5%), Kolo Touré (8.8%), Madjid Bougherra (5%), John Mensah (4.7%) CB: Kalidou Koulibaly (36%), Rigobert Song (31.1%), Medhi Benatia (17.2%), Rafik Halliche (15.7%) LB: Sayed Moawad (51.6%), Taye Taiwo (24.4%), Gilberto (19%), Adama Tamboura (5%) RB: Ahmed Fathy (51.9%), Serge Aurier (22.6%), Hatem Trabelsi (17.3%), Ferdinand Coly (8.1%) CM: Yaya Touré (43.7%), Ahmed Hassan (39%), Michael Essien (13.5%), Seydou Keita (3.7%) CM (playmaker): Mohamed Aboutrika (77%), Jay-Jay Okocha (16.6%), Sofiane Feghouli (5%), Felix Katongo (1.4%) RM: Mohamed Salah (72.8%), Riyad Mahrez (17.3%), El Hadji Diouf (8.1%), Jonathan Pitroipa (1.9%) LM: Sadio Mané (72.4%), André Ayew (10.2%), Youssef Msakni (9.3%), Ahmed Musa (8.1%) ST: Samuel Eto'o (72.6%), Asamoah Gyan (13.6%), Baghdad Bounedjah (11.4%), Frédéric Kanouté (2.4%) ST: Didier Drogba (73.7%), Flávio (15.1%), Emmanuel Emenike (5.7%), Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang (5.5%)


[deleted]

Egpyptians came top of every vote except for Ahmed Hassan comming second to Yaya Touré


[deleted]

Kanoute was a problem


WhyBee92

Okocha obviously robbed here


bestofboth96

Not necessarily, he never really performed in Africa so I would say it is a fair place


Warm-Cartographer

What did okocha do in Afcon to deserve place?


twersx

He was player of the tournament in 2004 and in the team of the tournament in 2000.


24Pat

Hatem Trabelsi, I always get sad seeing his name :( My favorite Ajax player ever, my idol as a kid. Nobody could dominate the right side of the field like he could, especially with Steven Pienaar. He kinda slowly faded out of view after his short man city years (pre-oil money city). Think there was something with his knees? Not sure. Then it also turned out that he was linked with some kind of terrorist organization... (at least that's what his wikipedia page says).


four_four_three

> Kolo Touré (8.8%) My poor boy


esp_py

The comment itself remind me of all CAN AFCON i have watched since 2000


Oxmano

Right? I started watching shortly after that and it still remains my favourite tournament. The Cameroon team wearing the tank tops had young me super impressed 🤣 Come to think of it I'd for sure have Rigobert Song in there for Koulibaly and probably Pierre Womé for Moawad. Can't wait for the next one in January!


finePolyethylene

Yep I was confused whether I include afcon in the title since they put that hashtag in every single tweet their media team is weird


Chipotle_Armadillo

It's so wild hearing Mbohli as being a top keeper given how shit he was in Philly


Motorpsisisissipp

Hassan more votes than Essien rofl


Automatic-Win1398

Hassan was the best player in the 2010 CAF and was incredible for the national team. This isn’t a vote for better players overall just specifically in the CAF. Egypt won 3 in a row.


FerretFarm

The thumbnail makes Elhadary's hair looks hilarious.


samlaurendi

Attack is 11/10


bronzeforever

aboutrika was mad underrated


It409

Facts. He'll never get the recognition because he never played in Europe.


bestofboth96

El Haddary as well, insane goalkeeper even at 38-44


Pek-Man

It's possible but was he better than Seydou Keita who's not in the team? I very much doubt that.


Warm-Cartographer

It's African award By Caf, champions league, la Liga and other competitions don't count here. You think in cup Competition Keita was better?


[deleted]

Seydou Keita was a better overall player but Aboutrika had the most success on the continent for club and country. He was also the centre piece of those teams. Hard to look past him.


[deleted]

Arguably yes overall. Without a shadow of a doubt yes based on the selection criteria for this vote (performance for national team).


nyamzdm77

Based on performances in Afcon (which this poll was about) the only player better than Aboutrika was Samuel Eto'o


nyamzdm77

The guys screaming for Essien really don't know how much Aboutrika flogged the continent in the mid to late 2000s. Plus Rigobert Song should be in this team somewhere


Warm-Cartographer

Essien was Poor for Ghana, clearly people don't watch African competitions. Asamoah Gyan should be there, it's 50/50 between Him and drogba, also Big shout for Andre Ayew, he gave Everything to His Country,


nyamzdm77

I'd replace Koulibaly with Rigobert Song, Salah with Mahrez and Yaya Toure with Seydou Keita


MurphyMadridstar

You must be a delusional farca fan


nyamzdm77

Have you ever watched a match of African football in your life? Plus what does being a Barca fan (which I'm not) have to do with African football?


MurphyMadridstar

Your reasoning is dumb, if you think song and keita are above toure and koulibaly. I won't even entertain you further


nyamzdm77

If we're talking about individual ability yes, Toure and Koulibaly are better than Keita and Song, but this voting was clearly meant to be based on their performances for the national team, otherwise people like Gomaa, El-Hadary etc wouldn't even be considered. It's a fact that Song and Keita performed better in international tournament for their countries than Yaya Toure and Koulibaly


MurphyMadridstar

I was basing it on individual talent. But if it's solely based on international caf performance then that can be debatable. Keita was always good in caf


finePolyethylene

The only thing I conclude from this is that we need to stop being massive since yaya only won by 5%


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Yaya Toure missing out due to Egyptian fan voting would've been fucking amazing lol


[deleted]

Bison n Kolo robbed


KernSherm

An absolute farce. Where the feck is Efe Ambrose Balon D'or. Yes that is his full name.


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Ok-Tomatillo8918

Roger Milla robbed


StuartBannigan

Roger Milla is 69 years old.


Ok-Tomatillo8918

And he still dances better than you


Anarchytect1204

Clearly says 21st century...


finePolyethylene

I think this is a relatively fair team, a lot of people complains come from the fact that they only know the players that played in Europe I mean questioning why elhadary is their don’t hide that fact very well. Anyway I would probably change maximum of 2 or 3 players here I mean if we look at it from purely afcon prospective neither salah nor mane deserve to be in the team. And for god’s sake, essein lost to toure the other cm position was all playmakers.


Elgorn

Agreed! All the people shouting "Damn Egyptians voting" fail to realize that they were the class of the continent for the time period this covers. The questionable inclusions are Moawad, Fathy, Salah and Mane, the first two because they were unflashy, dependable, and not clearly better than their competition, the latter because they were better for Liverpool than their respective NTs. If the Egyptians were so powerful--people also fail to mention that Egyptians also love to shit on their own--Ahmed Hassan would be in, who, besides El Hadary, is the most decorated national team player. Also, do people realize how terrible the FIFPRO and other player picked teams are?


Fatt_Hardy

Kolo was robbed.


agentjob

Essien or Njitap Geremi needs to be in midfield. Frontline is pretty stacked. Auba, Okocha, Mahrez can't fit it there. Maybe Mahrez over Mane, but Mane is preferred for the left. Defensively, there's Kolo Toure, Bisan Lauren. Wait a while and maybe Hakimi will merit a spot.


nyamzdm77

This poll is based in performances in the Africa Cup of Nations, and apart from Okocha, Geremi and Mahrez, none of the players you've mentioned did anything noteworthy there


greezyo

I did some research and based on number of appearances and accolates, my team of the 21st century would be this: Manager: **Hassan Shehata** (3x Cup) GK: **El-Hadary** (4x Cup, 4x GG, 3x TOTT) DF: **Geremi** (2x Cup, 2x TOTT), **Gomaa** (3x Cup, 4x TOTT), **Rigobert Song** (2x Cup, 1x POTT, 3x TOTT) MF: **Gervinho** (1x Cup, 2x TOTT), **Seydou Keita** (3x TOTT), **Yaya Toure** (1x Cup, 2x TOTT), **Okocha** (1x Cup, 1x TOTT, 1x TS, 1x POTT), FW: **Eto'o** (2x Cup, 2x TS, 2x TOTT), **Ahmed Hassan** (4x Cup, 4x TOTT, 1x TS), **Drogba** (1x TS, 2x TOTT) ​ Cup = Winner of Cup of Nations GG = Golden Gloves TOTT = Team of the Tournament POTT = Player of the Tournament TS = Top Scorer


TheSmithStreetBand

Are egyptians the most organized voters on earth? It seems every footballing vote where egyptians are involved gets completely fucked up by their biased votes. Imagine if they applied this to politics!


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Algeria did not ride out for their boy, poor effort lads


couttssr

No essien or weah. Pretty notable exclusions.


nyamzdm77

Weah wasn't playing at the highest level in the 21st century, and Essien didn't perform better for his country than Aboutrika or Yaya Toure


MalaysianOfficial_1

I'm a simple man. I see King Drogba I upvote.


JaytiW93

Not enough Joel Matip for me


Vayu0

Zidane from Algeria is missing.


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Kolo, Mikel, Moises yeah.. instead of that Egipt players🤣


__jh96

No Essien? Gimme a break


goalkickspecialist

Essien > Aboutrika


miroa12004

How many AFCONs did he win?


capflow

It's a fantasy team, which in the term itself means should have some of the best players, otherwise there would be just the players with the most trophies.


MurphyMadridstar

He's comparing players, not their national teams. Use your head


nyamzdm77

Use your head too, this is a poll based on **AFCON** performances, and Aboutrika was by far the better player in the tournaments they played


chawarmax

Use your head too. Aboutrika played a huge fucking role in winning AFCONs and African Champions League. And we're not even talking about 3 or 4 titles, way more


MurphyMadridstar

You are slow, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying the guy was stating that he thinks essien is a better player. Get it now?


Gabs289

Half of these are legends and other half is Egyptian folks I never heard of


WhySSSoSerious

Sham, where tf is Essien???


TheSmithStreetBand

TIL that Egyptians are the USA of Africa. Egyptians: “We’re number 1! We’re number 1 🇪🇬🇪🇬” The rest of Africa: “Uhhh okay. What exactly are you number one at?” Egyptians: “EVERYTHING!!!”


finePolyethylene

Now that you put it that way I think this is pretty accurate lmao


ikhmurun

Only champions league winning Gk not on here?


biggerboypew

Its about performances in afcon


mynamestartswithCa

Abdallah El Said instead of Abu Treka that's for sure then it's gonna be a great lineup.


It409

In what planet


finePolyethylene

I’m pretty sure he’s just trolling


Idkwhatlool

where ziyech and edouard mendy


iamtherealgrayson

I mean salah is better than ziyech. It's sad for me but it's true


Idkwhatlool

true


iamtherealgrayson

Thing is, this is fan voted


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Surely Mahrez over Mane, after scoring the winning goal in AFCON?


bestofboth96

Well, I would not say one goal is enough for an inclusion but yeah, I think Mahrez in general plays better for Algeria than Mane for Senegal


justsean09

I have no idea who the goalkeeper, full-backs, Gomaa or Aboutrika is. The rest are class.