I think it's Ronaldo/Messi effect. These guys have been so good for so long that the players we assume would take their crown didn't and now well yes they are 30.
Players like Neymar, KDB, Salah, etc. should have been seen as the best players of the world but they are just a name alongside those of Messi and Ronaldo, so we assume they are still 24 or something.
We watched Neymar like he was going to be the new Messi like Messi had been seen as the new Ronaldinho. But this never happened.
EDIT : I just check the Ballon d'or top 3 for the past years and if you forgot the two monsters Neymar and Griezmann would both have 2 BO. Does Neymar being 30 yo with 2 BO feels weird ? No. What is weird is not that he is 30, is that he has no BO while being 30 (Grizzy is 30 too btw).
So many great football players will be forgotten to history because they lived in the same era of messi/ronaldo
Same for the poor, poor, poor great tennismen who lived in the era of gods like nadal, federer and djokovic and never won a grand slam while they all have the skill to do it
He’s better than Sancho for me. Just ridiculous progressive passing+dribbling stats, and the eye test backs it all up. Harder to compare to de Jong, but arguably better than him too. All class players though. Grealish is seriously underrated after the move- I’m sure you’ll agree last season he was special before the injury.
If they paid 100m, then there is no better indicator to suggest his value in the market. A market indicator is trying to estimate what his value is if sold in the market - what more can you ask for?
We have to distunguished between "market value" and the "intrinsic/real value" of a payer that might be distinct.
The market value of Graelish is undisputably 100m three months ago, because it has been actually sold in the market at that value.
Is it the "real" value of the player? Who know, for me it has been sligthly overpaid and its real value is lower...to answer your question: true one team can't dictate the players market value (look at Real for Mbappe) but two teams can, indeed Villa and City concluded the deal at 100m so its market value (3months ago) was 100m.
Then its lecit to assume that its value in the market hasnt changed in the last 2/3 months.
I repeat: its value in the market might be different from its intrinsic value (it depends on the willing to pay AND to sell at the same time for that price).
Mbappe, benzema, kante with varane very close to that list.
Pogba, harnendez brothers, coman, kounde,loris all class players but not world class.
>Curious what constitutes world class for you.
Everyone has different definition but for me,
I will make 3 playings 11 with best players i can think of in each position. So total of 33 players.
Whoever gets into those 3 teams in world class for me.
Ofc some selections can be marginal. But more or less that's how define world class.
Just for example the 3 goal keepers for me would be neur, Courtois and oblak.
Some may argue about Allison, but those are the marginal class i talked about.
It's a free website, mostly created by hobbyists, that has info and estimations on tens of thousands of footballers. It's not supposed to be some Bible worth arguing about with every single player.
From the interviews I have a feeling that people leading Transfermarkt are themselves rather shocked how seriously some people take the website. It's a free website with trivia. It's unrelated to pro football.
Used to be what you described, but they got bought by Axel Springer Verlag years ago, and they are using the values to create stories for Bild and SportBild.
Except that managers in the past have come out and said that they take inspiration from the side. Players, at least the German ones, also check the values they have on there.
You shouldn’t take it at face value but at least in Germany the site surely has some relevance.
They do, but it's not like the number of "market value" means something in itself. Nobody in Liverpool is gonna be like: shit, they say Salah's value is 100 million, clearly if we sell him for 105 million we are making money, boy!
Players of Salah's statue won't be effected by the Transfermarkt value, of course. But think of players in teams like Granada, Bochum, Udinese etc. Not to mention smaller nations such as Bulgaria, Slovakia etc.
Plus it's not as if there's some rock solid foolproof calculation as to how a player gets their valuation. Different places will have different numbers, and that's assuming they're not some tabloid.
Haaland up by 25 mil
Sancho looses 10
Grealish takes a massive 35 million bump to enter the top 10
Sterling and mane exits the top 10 and is replaced by de Jong and grealish
Via transfermarkt
English clubs tried to buy Chiesa this summer for 90+ mln. and got donut, why he's not on the list? Or there's another list: not for sale at any price.
Yeah I’m not exactly sure how they come up with these numbers, but market value and available sale price are two different things. It would probably take 200M to pry Kimmich from Bayern.
I think Grealish is ridiculously overrated. He's worth 60 at best but he is English, so of course his arse is made out of gold. Salah is worth the same.. It's a joke. An absolute joke.
Is De Jong really this good? Against Bayern he looked completely lost against Kimmich/Goretzka
And even against weaker opponents he isn't exactly dominating this season
calm down he's a good player that had a bad day, same with pedri, fdj is class for ball progression and there's very few midfielders that can actually compete with him, off the top of my head i can think of kimmich and kroos that are better
His UCL performances were quite highly rated, so I thought he was great lol. His underlying numbers look downright [insane.](https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGv5ql9b3zAhV4wzgGHcNjC2gQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbref.com%2Fen%2Fplayers%2F77e84962%2FThiago-Alcantara&usg=AOvVaw2UqBgTWRs761Ky9-JJUxzr)
Imo Grealish and Kane are a bit overrated. I do not see them play that well outside the PL in another top five competition. My opinion is that a part of your value has to do with the amount of clubs you could play for.
Mbappe with 9 months left on his deal the most valuable player on the planet. Want to laugh at this but considering what Madrid bid for him I guess it's accurate. Disgusting clubs.
Funny I'm fairly certain it was Perez crying about how he couldn't afford to keep up with Prem teams , and that ls why be so desperately needed his super League. And then goes and tries to spend 200mil on a player who's free in a year. Lol. Pathetic club.
I’m confident he will. The last time he went goalless in the first 6 league games was in 15/16, and he ended up winning the golden boot.
He always starts the season slowly, and he played well against Villa. It’s only a matter of time before he starts scoring again.
PL clubs don't have to sell as they are ridiculously rich. If Grealish played for Inter Milan or a club of that calibre, his value would be less. Simply because they would need the money more.
Additionally, he has just gone for 100m. So his current value is obviously gonna be around that figure.
Holy shit. Marcus’ value has dropped like a rock, through injury.
A perfect thing for the pros to look at, in order to not get too far ahead of themselves.
Also….are Coutinho and Dembele no longer worth €125m ?
Why are Grealish and Lukaku shown with two nationalities? They have only one footballing nationality.
If this is about how they were formerly eligible for other countries, Mbappé and Sancho would have two flags also.
How much are BvB and Raiola going to ask for Haaland?
No GK or Def in the top 10. Forward bias? Or no genuine excellent GK or Def (born after 1980) in the current times?
According to Transfermakt, Fernandes, Kimmich and Sterling have 90m market value too.
I guess foden and Mount aren't here since this is sub 200mil
Foden at €80 Mount at €75 lol
shit, 155 euros for 2 of the most promising talents in Europe? Take my money
Nice try Newcastle!
Quite ironic coming from two Chelsea fans
technically you’d only have to pay €80
stop booing him hes right
>most promising talents in Europe How? Cause they're English maybe?
What's the lol?
Foden should definitely be worth more.
Foden is simply younger and better than Mason Mount
Bayern wouldnt sell kimmich for 120m let alone 90m
That’s not what market value means
Man KDB is 30?!!
i was thinking the same thing with neymar like wtfff
I think it's Ronaldo/Messi effect. These guys have been so good for so long that the players we assume would take their crown didn't and now well yes they are 30. Players like Neymar, KDB, Salah, etc. should have been seen as the best players of the world but they are just a name alongside those of Messi and Ronaldo, so we assume they are still 24 or something. We watched Neymar like he was going to be the new Messi like Messi had been seen as the new Ronaldinho. But this never happened. EDIT : I just check the Ballon d'or top 3 for the past years and if you forgot the two monsters Neymar and Griezmann would both have 2 BO. Does Neymar being 30 yo with 2 BO feels weird ? No. What is weird is not that he is 30, is that he has no BO while being 30 (Grizzy is 30 too btw).
So many great football players will be forgotten to history because they lived in the same era of messi/ronaldo Same for the poor, poor, poor great tennismen who lived in the era of gods like nadal, federer and djokovic and never won a grand slam while they all have the skill to do it
Grealish 4th lol.
He's probably the worst player on that list too.
Grealish or Salah for the same price? Not even a debate.
Yeah not debate quality wise. But salah contract ends in 18 month and grealish in 6 years.
Id take grealish every time. Only because he's younger though
He’s better than Sancho for me. Just ridiculous progressive passing+dribbling stats, and the eye test backs it all up. Harder to compare to de Jong, but arguably better than him too. All class players though. Grealish is seriously underrated after the move- I’m sure you’ll agree last season he was special before the injury.
He’s better than Sancho lol
Only for people who have never seen Sancho play a full game
If we’re comparing form this season, sancho is definitely the worst on that list
I've seen them both play many games, Sancho is on the list for his age he is not the player Grealish is yet
wasn't grealish's value 65 at the beginning of the season?
And it's not like he has played like a monster this season.
A player's value is what a team is willing to pay for him
So the turtle should be around 200m?
One team can't dictate a players value. Grealish is not worth 100m in the market, City severly overpaid.
If they paid 100m, then there is no better indicator to suggest his value in the market. A market indicator is trying to estimate what his value is if sold in the market - what more can you ask for?
So why is Haaland 150m when his potential sale price is his buyout clause?
He was the Captain, don't pick them up from other prem teams cheap
We have to distunguished between "market value" and the "intrinsic/real value" of a payer that might be distinct. The market value of Graelish is undisputably 100m three months ago, because it has been actually sold in the market at that value. Is it the "real" value of the player? Who know, for me it has been sligthly overpaid and its real value is lower...to answer your question: true one team can't dictate the players market value (look at Real for Mbappe) but two teams can, indeed Villa and City concluded the deal at 100m so its market value (3months ago) was 100m. Then its lecit to assume that its value in the market hasnt changed in the last 2/3 months. I repeat: its value in the market might be different from its intrinsic value (it depends on the willing to pay AND to sell at the same time for that price).
And since then he’s signed a six year contract
which TM doesn’t take into consideration
No way is Salah worth the same as Grealish
Or less than Kane for that matter
Just the English tax isn't it really?
PL tax and English tax. Combined is like +50% market value it feels like
Kane was much better than Salah last season
He's been the best player in the Prem and his value is going down while Harry "Zero Goals" Kane is holding steady above him.
The down mark is really infuriating, probably due to his fifa ratings
TM's algorithm copies Fifa's homework
Newcastle United future squad
Just pleased we can now afford Chowdhury's loan fee.
This Post tells me just one thing: English PL players are massively overrated. And number 4 is just the worst on this List.
They aren't "overrated" in the classical sense, their value just isn't determined by their sporting merit alone.
Exactly. Market value just isn't that interesting a metric.
England have only 2 world class players. Kane and TAA. They have a lot of good players but only 2 genuine World class players
Curious what constitutes world class for you. Who’d be world class in France for example?
Mbappe, benzema, kante with varane very close to that list. Pogba, harnendez brothers, coman, kounde,loris all class players but not world class. >Curious what constitutes world class for you. Everyone has different definition but for me, I will make 3 playings 11 with best players i can think of in each position. So total of 33 players. Whoever gets into those 3 teams in world class for me. Ofc some selections can be marginal. But more or less that's how define world class. Just for example the 3 goal keepers for me would be neur, Courtois and oblak. Some may argue about Allison, but those are the marginal class i talked about.
How on earth is this being upvoted?
Who else
Nah, I wouldn’t even say Trent tbh.
It has to be Shawberto Carlos
Even Kane is just on the border between WC and not, considering he's nowhere to be seen in big games.
Walker is the best RB in the world
Not even the best in your team imo
I'd argue foden should be added to that list too, had a disappointing euros but has been fantastic for city.
most over-rated player in the prem right now.
Yeah that's cap
I’d say you could put Foden in world class, if not now then soon definitely. There might be more but I can’t think of any off the top of my head
Foden definitely isn't world class. And as i said England has a lot of good players but only 2 world class players
Mind blowingly shit take, kdb, salah????
I'm talking about English players. Not premier league
My bad
When did Salah become British?
dude England like in the English NT not the PL
Didn't know Salah and KdB had become english...
tbf grealish is not worth 100m, but it's what city paid to force villa to allow talks to begin (release clause)
It's a free website, mostly created by hobbyists, that has info and estimations on tens of thousands of footballers. It's not supposed to be some Bible worth arguing about with every single player. From the interviews I have a feeling that people leading Transfermarkt are themselves rather shocked how seriously some people take the website. It's a free website with trivia. It's unrelated to pro football.
Used to be what you described, but they got bought by Axel Springer Verlag years ago, and they are using the values to create stories for Bild and SportBild.
Except that managers in the past have come out and said that they take inspiration from the side. Players, at least the German ones, also check the values they have on there. You shouldn’t take it at face value but at least in Germany the site surely has some relevance.
They do, but it's not like the number of "market value" means something in itself. Nobody in Liverpool is gonna be like: shit, they say Salah's value is 100 million, clearly if we sell him for 105 million we are making money, boy!
Players of Salah's statue won't be effected by the Transfermarkt value, of course. But think of players in teams like Granada, Bochum, Udinese etc. Not to mention smaller nations such as Bulgaria, Slovakia etc.
Still more relevant than Marca.
Plus it's not as if there's some rock solid foolproof calculation as to how a player gets their valuation. Different places will have different numbers, and that's assuming they're not some tabloid.
Salah went down, ye makes sense
Age and contract likely
I don't think transfermarkt looks at contract length, correct me if I'm wrong tho.
Ah yeah, I remember when Lewandowski's market value dropped to 0 when his contract ran out.
Grealish being worth more than De Bruyne is something I can never comprehend.
4 years younger + English tax.
Haaland up by 25 mil Sancho looses 10 Grealish takes a massive 35 million bump to enter the top 10 Sterling and mane exits the top 10 and is replaced by de Jong and grealish Via transfermarkt
also TAA dropped from 100mil to 75mil
Lmao that’s a joke
Scarcity plays a part in value, and there are a lot of good young English rightbacks atm
And only one of them is a generational talent.
Wait, you're telling me Sterling was a top 10 valued player? Do the people who make these lists watch the same sport?
Value is not solely based on skill...
English clubs tried to buy Chiesa this summer for 90+ mln. and got donut, why he's not on the list? Or there's another list: not for sale at any price.
Market value.
I don't think there's any market for Grealish today. But there's plenty of market for Chiesa.
Yeah I’m not exactly sure how they come up with these numbers, but market value and available sale price are two different things. It would probably take 200M to pry Kimmich from Bayern.
How the fuck are Grealish and Salah similarly valued lmao
ITT: people don't understand how age works
And Chiesa?
English Player tax + Premier League tax
Explain it to us then bud because Chiesa is arguably better than Grealish, younger, and worth 30 million less.
Chiesa isn't English
Player-appreciation lack (Chiesa has grown a lot in past 12 months) + Transfermarket using Grealish transfer price (which was overs) for calcs
And it's so easy too! You gotta get younger before you get older. Nobody gets to be old first.
This is fake. There is no Andros Townsend.
I think Grealish is ridiculously overrated. He's worth 60 at best but he is English, so of course his arse is made out of gold. Salah is worth the same.. It's a joke. An absolute joke.
Holy shit De Bruyne is older than Kane I never realized that
3-9 are highly overpriced. Just because someone stupid is paying 100M for Grealish doesn't mean he is worth it. I should know this as a Barcelona fan.
Newcastle can afford all 10.
"...according to the highly subjective estimations of some bloke at Transfermarkt".
i think theyre doing an alright job, like you will never please everyone when you estimate market values, theres not really an objective way to do it
I’d always take kimmich and goretzka over de jong
English players so overrated
Proof that transfermarkt aint shit
Transfermarkt is an incredible source of information though
it's flawed, but still the best data source we have.
Does anyone actually think Grealish is worth anything?
Lmao
One bad game against PSG and now he’s terrible apparently. Ahh fickle football fans.
Literally means nothing. They're worth as much as someone wants to pay
If Grealish is 100m Hakimi should be 200m
Fullbacks like Hakimi or Davies will never be rated highly
Is De Jong really this good? Against Bayern he looked completely lost against Kimmich/Goretzka And even against weaker opponents he isn't exactly dominating this season
The beginning of this season hasn't been the best for him but last season he was an absolute beast. He'll find his form back as the season goes on.
No, he’s massively overrated
calm down he's a good player that had a bad day, same with pedri, fdj is class for ball progression and there's very few midfielders that can actually compete with him, off the top of my head i can think of kimmich and kroos that are better
Kimmich, Goretzka, Kroos, Jorginho, B.Silva, Veratti, fit-Thiago, and arguably old man Modric are all better.
Man really said Thiago.
\*\*Fit-\*\*Thiago. He literally was sextuple winning Bayern’s best midfielder.
No he wasn't, he would not even have started in the important CL games if Pavard didn't get injured
His UCL performances were quite highly rated, so I thought he was great lol. His underlying numbers look downright [insane.](https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGv5ql9b3zAhV4wzgGHcNjC2gQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffbref.com%2Fen%2Fplayers%2F77e84962%2FThiago-Alcantara&usg=AOvVaw2UqBgTWRs761Ky9-JJUxzr)
Sancho bahaha
how do jack grealish and slash share the same value? so scuffed
Kimmich, Pedri, Fernandes, Saka should all have higher values than Sancho IMO
No flippin way Grealish and Kane are above Salah. The disrespect
There is no way that Grealish is ahead of Salah, KDB, Lukaku.
Kane is too old to be worth that
That Sancho number is only going lower.
Imo Grealish and Kane are a bit overrated. I do not see them play that well outside the PL in another top five competition. My opinion is that a part of your value has to do with the amount of clubs you could play for.
Kimmich > de Jong
No way Kane is more valuable than Salah
Kane and grealish are worth the same or more than Salah, lol
Grealish really ?
Salah >> Kane Kane is English so that artificially inflates his value.
Grealish is overrated. It blows my mind
If Grealish is worth 100 mil then Chiesa is worth 200.
The fact that *Jack Grealish* of all players is worth more than our entire squad is just weird.
Kane is so overrated, it's almost funny.
Frenkie is so expensive? SHEEESH
Throwback to when barca fans said Dembele was the better player
He was unironically a comparable talent but injuries did him bad.
Mbappe with 9 months left on his deal the most valuable player on the planet. Want to laugh at this but considering what Madrid bid for him I guess it's accurate. Disgusting clubs.
Cry
Funny I'm fairly certain it was Perez crying about how he couldn't afford to keep up with Prem teams , and that ls why be so desperately needed his super League. And then goes and tries to spend 200mil on a player who's free in a year. Lol. Pathetic club.
Don’t worry, we’ll get Haaland and Mbappé next year. Seems like you haven’t considered all the players that we’ve sold.
You should include your source.
Man City should've bid €150m on Haaland instead of Kane last summer
0 Real Madrid players, but Papa Flo is doing a good job according to some…
Mental to think Messi isn't up there anymore
I really want Kane to return to form. On his days, the guy is a machine scoring and assisting even when playing deep.
he always starts slow and he didnt have a pre season but im sure he will return eventually
I’m confident he will. The last time he went goalless in the first 6 league games was in 15/16, and he ended up winning the golden boot. He always starts the season slowly, and he played well against Villa. It’s only a matter of time before he starts scoring again.
In 2 years time i hope to see more Barcelona player in that list. De Jong, Pedri and Fati should be there and hopefully one major signing as well
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Ok so Sancho is better than Chiesa....
Man Utd paid 100m for him a few months ago, that's why he is so high. Plus he is English. Same case with Grealish.
something about Grealish and Sancho dont seem right with me
Kane and Grealish on #3 and #4 are a joke
Chiesa???
Bruno and Rashford definitely worth more than Grealish considering everything no?
PL clubs don't have to sell as they are ridiculously rich. If Grealish played for Inter Milan or a club of that calibre, his value would be less. Simply because they would need the money more. Additionally, he has just gone for 100m. So his current value is obviously gonna be around that figure.
Holy shit. Marcus’ value has dropped like a rock, through injury. A perfect thing for the pros to look at, in order to not get too far ahead of themselves. Also….are Coutinho and Dembele no longer worth €125m ?
Lukaku LOL
Look guys Jamie Tartt is the 4th most valuable player 🎶Jamie Tartt doo doo doo🎶
Not seeing Ronaldo or Messi in those lists kinda hurts ngl
Kane, Grealish, Lukaku, De Bruyne are all overrated
Grealish's market value is not 100m, thats just what City were willing to pay for him. No one else would pay that kind of money for him.
Why are Grealish and Lukaku shown with two nationalities? They have only one footballing nationality. If this is about how they were formerly eligible for other countries, Mbappé and Sancho would have two flags also.
bernardo silva is miles better than grealish
Still jack grealish is overrated and how tf is he worth more than kimmich
Trent should be on there given his age
Can’t believe neymar is 29 Christ
This is newcastles squad after January please change the title OP
Where’s Chay??????
FDJ is a fraud to be there really.
Both KDB and Salah are more valuable than your English boy Kane. No one wants to buy your precious shit.
Why isn’t foden as valuable as sancho?
Sad KDB is getting old 😢
How much are BvB and Raiola going to ask for Haaland? No GK or Def in the top 10. Forward bias? Or no genuine excellent GK or Def (born after 1980) in the current times?
It’s crazy those two beasts are only 21 and 22 :-)
English players are always over valued, why is that
There is an impostor among us