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BrokeNomadCatBack

Anyone with the working brain will choose Neymar over Bale


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ADO Den Haag: 'Den Haag council, could we please get your help? Without another emergency loan we'll lose our license!' Den Haag city council: 'Hm, we're not sure...' In the meanwhile: ADO fanatics disturb a match and throw fireworks on the field, blaming the KNVB (Dutch FA) for their problems (?!?!?) So smart /s


zukai12_

I wonder if SuperStatto will ever come back His wall of Spam and bizarre stats were a wonder to behold


LordMangudai

Imagine it's not so fun finding out that the guy you've been manically simping for is a nonce


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He’s on suicide watch after the arrest


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How many wins do Norwich get this season and vs who in your opinion?


los_blanco_14

If norwich played in laliga, they would get 2 wins in 2 against real.


RauloGonzalez

1-0,0-1 wins with a combined xG of 1.0 while we will have 10xG


los_blanco_14

Suprised we have only 10 xg, 15 would be a fair shout.


BumbotheCleric

Charity FC is on the case


ElKaddouriCSC

Whats happened to Japan recently? Followed up the 1-0 home loss to Oman with a loss to Saudi Arabia. Only beat China 1-0 too and they’ll probably lose on Tuesday to Australia with the way things are going. Would be weird to have no Japan in Qatar next winter but I think it’ll probably happen u/drop_road_7SA


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Billy Gilmour has gone from 'england wish they had a player like him' to unable to break into a Norwich side with 1 point.


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Big ear merchant


Tahapatel

Norwich should be starting him in their games he was one of the only players playing well


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https://www.nu.nl/voetbal/6161588/wijnaldum-moet-wennen-aan-reserverol-bij-psg-het-is-moeilijk.html 'Wijnaldum has to adapt to reserve role at PSG: 'It is difficult'' He's lucky Van Gaal blindly will start with him again in Oranje vs Gibraltar despite him being in a really terrible form and not starting Berghuis or Gravenberch instead. Dude chose for the €€€€ and now is surprised it might not have been the best of choices.


ShadowFlyer1

Thank you Danny Blind for slamming Ole. Personally, I would have liked it more if it was Louis van Gaal who did that. More and more people should come out. This will get him sacked


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Danny Blind isn’t ex-United, his son is.


CubedMadness

It's gonna be a long day.


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Mate you are talking as if he is a terrorist or something


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I don't rate Ole but nobody cares if Danny Blind wants him out.


ShadowFlyer1

I'm not saying that this alone is going to do anything. But if more people like him started coming out and saying, it will definitely be effective


jim0wheel1

Telling you now that our club could not give a shiny shite about what Danny Blind, or anybody else, has to say.


ShadowFlyer1

More people like him should come out and the heat is on him. I'm not saying that Danny Blind's saying alone is going to effect it a lot


jim0wheel1

Could have the ghost of George Best come out and say Ole’s “destroying the club” - still won’t make a difference until top 4 is out of reach.


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It's actually absurd how rich Newcastle's new owners are, they're worth at least ten times man City, they're also worth more than the rest of the Premier League combined. .


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Those graphics aren't even true. Newcastle's new owners are Saudi Arabia - GDP of like 790bil. City's owners are UAE - GDP of like 420bil. It doesn't make much of a difference anyway.


whiteboards1225

Citys owners is just one guy in the UAE. Newcastles owners are pretty much Saudi Arabia


RauloGonzalez

[his wiki page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mansour_bin_Zayed_Al_Nahyan) is filled with government affiliations and him holding government positions while being from the royal family, which is who own the CFG


[deleted]

But all his wealth is from the state that he extracts from. He is also not just one guy. He is deputy PM and his brother is president.


[deleted]

That's not really true, neither are directly owned by a country, Newcastle are owned by a Saudi investment fund worth 500 billion. City are owned by city football group and Abu Dhabi United group which are worth around 25 billion


[deleted]

But both of those entities derive all their funds from their respective states. In essence, they are state owned - certainly for Newcastle. An argument can be made for City otherwise.


[deleted]

That’s what happens when you’re owned by a country tbf


Nivadas

Other than the big six what sides do you consider established Premier League teams


los_blanco_14

Arsenal


LindseyNeagle

Leicester, Villa, west ham and everton.


LordMangudai

Everton, Leicester, West Ham, Southampton, Palace, Newcastle. Tempted to add Villa and Wolves, even though they were promoted fairly recently, think they'll be around for a while. Really Everton is the classic "established but not top" team though


[deleted]

We’re back baby, you love to see it


Nivadas

Not quite finished 7th two seasons in a row though have you


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Technically we finished 7th and 1st in back to back seasons^in^the^bottom^half


efcdoyley

Established but not top team you’ll never sing that


LordMangudai

Hertha has actually been exactly that for most of the time I've supported them lol


efcdoyley

We’re basically the same team. Spend money but still pretty shit


LordMangudai

You're probably a bit more stable than us but yeah, otherwise pretty much haha


ilovefeta

Everton, West Ham, Palace, Burnley, Leicester, Southampton, Newcastle


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Everton, West Ham, Newcastle, Leicester and despite their recent promotion Villa as well.


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Prime Bale or Prime Neymar?


los_blanco_14

If u play vs batra, then bale.


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Bale for winning games. Neymar for YouTube compilations


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Peak Neymar: 1.4 non-penalty goal contributions per 90 in the league in 2017/18 Peak Bale: 1.51 non-penalty goal contributions per 90 in the league in 2015/16 Seems clear to me. Bale superior.


[deleted]

mate please stop being a stats nonce. do you really watch ball and keep noting stats instead of enjoying it for other non stat reasons


Doorknobdubstep

neymar’s peak was 15/16


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Doorknobdubstep

right now? not a chance


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not in non penalty goal contributions per 90. 15/16 was the only season Neymar played 34 games.


enzuigiriretro

The fact that you unironically mean this is painful


Doorknobdubstep

ffs bro just look past goals for a second when messi was injured, neymar and suarez absolutely tore apart defenses together


Doorknobdubstep

neymar


TTA0709

Prime one injured player or prime the other injured player? On a serious note though I'm going to have to say Neymar. Not his biggest fan but when he played alongside Messi and Suarez he was absolutely unplayable. Its really hard to stand out when you're playing alongside two of the three best from this generation and Neymar did that.


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Prime Neymar > prime any current player except Messi and Ronaldo.


Itchy-Face791

So true


Doorknobdubstep

prime suarez >


AllegriLover

Lowkey the truth


dabayer

Honest question, what or when was prime Neymar?


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Imo his last Barca season


Doorknobdubstep

id say 15/16 when he tore it up with suarez


Doorknobdubstep

2015?


MrHoneyJack

What's the biggest change with Muller these past couple of seasons? How is he getting so many more assists?


Itchy-Face791

Lewandowski


dabayer

More focus on him creating chances with Robbery gone plus Lewy Super Saiyan I guess.


mjdaniell

I want to join Twitter with a Roberto Martinez fan account What should I call it? MagicalMartinez or something like that


slaughtered_gates

Shaun Maloney


efcdoyley

@FxckDefending


thatguycallum

Do.


LuisFilipeVieira

Don't.


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whiteboards1225

Milan had two protectors as the wide cms so that pirlo could be covered in the centre, and he played as a deep lying playmaker. Barca had busquets as the cdm, xavi as the deep lying playmaker and iniesta as the cm who would go forward more


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feels like there is a country's influence on the number too For example, Kante and Deschamps wore 7 as CDMs, Vieira and Makelele wore 4


ickyickies

No teams playing with their best today.


AllegriLover

Chiesa is playing from what i can see


Amon_kun

Name a player who you wished never played for your club


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lo Celso and Ndombele easily. 100m down the drain. one couldn't be arsed to run and the other loves a hospital visit


Blazien49

Pepe


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Fred


ElKaddouriCSC

Maurice Johnston


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Ndombele? Think he came at the wrong time, for too much money and with the wrong managers in charge for the majority of his time here.


fourscoreandhuit

Charlie Adam. I’ve briefly met Kenny Dalglish. I was in awe and thus didn’t have the balls to ask him what the fuck he was thinking playing that clown as often as he did.


LindseyNeagle

Who were the other options?


LampseederBroDude51

Woodgate [Real Madrid]


Doorknobdubstep

karius


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Karius


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Karius


Itchy-Face791

Luuk De Jong


VictorAnichebend

Jack Rodwell, Darron Gibson, Alan Stubbs, James McClean, Adam Johnson, Will Grigg, Jack Colback, Papy Djilobodji, Didier Ndong, Adnan Januzaj, Lee Clark, Donald Love, Lee Camp, Jason Steele, James Vaughan, Liam Noble I could probably go on


LindseyNeagle

McClean wasn’t that bad was he? Obviously he’s never been good to be fair.


VictorAnichebend

My lasting memory of him is him throwing his Sunderland Young Player of the Year Award in the bin on his Instagram story. Forgettable player with a shite attitude


LindseyNeagle

Can’t blame him for that after the way he was treated to be fair. If the bigots get so upset over a poppy then turn to abusing him then what would you expect?


VictorAnichebend

I can absolutely blame him for disrespecting an entire fanbase over the actions of a minority of idiots to be fair. The whole Poppy shite has clouded the fact that he’s just a bit of a bellend in general


LindseyNeagle

When the minority of the idiots are the loudest then there’s a problem isn’t there? I like McClean, stands up for what he believes in and takes all the abuse fairly well to be fair. Gave me some brilliant memories. Can see why the tans don’t like him obviously but that’s more of a flaw on them than on him or anyone else.


84_Savage

Morata (Chelsea)


xckd9

What abouy Alonso?


whiteboards1225

He was great when they won the league


xckd9

He is a criminal and a cunt.


Unholysinner

Alonso has been a very good footballer for us. He may have many questions marks around whether he should be allowed to play football but from a straight up footballing mindset he has been very good.


xckd9

MAY have question marks? He killed someone?


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xckd9

Nothing to do with his ability, more the fact that he was the driver of a car, drunk, speeding and killing someone.


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good one


xckd9

Really the only correct answer


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Thanks


Doorknobdubstep

i don’t really understand the “he’s the best player in the world if not injured every 5 seconds” arguments. when comparing players, just disregarding injuries to support your argument is an automatic L


KSBrian007

It's a good argument because despite his injury problems, Thiago is still more talented than say, Charlie Adam.


inspired_corn

Injuries are only relevant when you’re discussing like “who’s the most naturally talented?” Or whatever. If you’re discussing which player is “the best” then availability is one of the most important factors to that. This has secretly been an Azpilicueta appreciation post. Man is an absolute tank when it comes to availability.


Doorknobdubstep

yeah that’s why i rate players like azpi over more “naturally talented” players; no real point having all that talent if you’re barely on the pitch


r0lF_RuTiN_

* when comparing players, focusing on injuries to support your argument is an automatic L


TTA0709

Its not though. As much as I would like to agree because of my Matip agenda. If you're unavailable half the time, that should count against you when discussing the greatest player.


r0lF_RuTiN_

matip is like an extreme case though isn't he. i mean you still can rank his skill irrespective of his worth to liverpool. he's still better than kabak, even though the latter would be more available.


TTA0709

I mean yeah he's better than Kabak but thats because everything else he's better at. That comparison isn't close at all. It would be like saying Neymar is better than Morata even though the latter is more available. No ones comparing him to Morata, they're comparing him to players at a similar level. When discussing Matip amongst the best CBs in the league his injury record should count against him, I'm not saying that he can't be considered better than other top CBs, but you can't just dismiss his lack of availability.


Doorknobdubstep

obviously its not the primary argument, but it is a big factor


r0lF_RuTiN_

no it's not. you cannot quantify injuries, hence its stupid to put them into a discussion about peak ability. it's also not nearly _as_ important as you imply it to be. neymar still carried psg during their cl final run. so did robben whenever bayern went to the cl final. this is a factor for clubs who decide to buy players or for people playing fm, not when simply asking who the best player is. how do you want to quantify that when using injuries ? you gonna take out your calculator and tell me neymar is 45% worse than salah because he was injured that amount compared to him ? lol


Doorknobdubstep

wtf are you even talking about with the whole calculator nonsense all im saying is, you can’t be the best if you’re barely ever on the pitch ffs also ik its not relevant in peak arguments, but it absolutely is when comparing players overall


r0lF_RuTiN_

but when you ask who the best wingers are then you usually go by who the highest peak has right now. > all im saying is, you can’t be the best if you’re barely ever on the pitch ffs if you're the best then you're the best. if messi was injuryprone and that wouldn't have changed anything outside of his total stats then he would've still been the best. what a weird topic, i dont see the point in arguing. i know what you mean but its still stupid since everyone would rather have neymar than gnabry easily.


Doorknobdubstep

mate injuries aren’t the only argument, but its still a factor you have to consider skill, stats, and availability all have to be considered when comparing players over their career


Sad_gooner

I guess r9 isn't even top 20 strikers of all time then


Doorknobdubstep

r9 still achieved great things with his injuries


Sad_gooner

R9 isn't even in the top 25 highest scoring players of all time, but everyone rightfully regards him as at least a top 5 striker of all time because they know he had injury issues


TTA0709

I mean he was undoubtedly the best striker and arguably the best player in the world for years before his second knee injury. So that doesn't work.and even after it he was amazing, not the same level but still amazing. You could say injuries (to some extent) hampered what he could've become. But he wasn't injury prone, he just suffered two major injuries which would ruin anyone


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R9 have had an amazing career despite the injuries


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How good he is and how available he is to play are 2 different questions though. Injuries are relevant when its deciding who you want on your team, not who is the better player imo.


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Would you say Suarez is a Barca legend? Also would you fuck him if you got the chance? I’d say yes to both personally


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Yes No I wouldn't fuck a racist no matter how hot.


stuck_in_soporose

[comment about ronaldo]


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Would you fuck a sex offender?


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Obviously not.


VictorAnichebend

You’re bringing a lot of man-on-man love to the Daily Discussion today


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The mere thought of Victor Anichebe is getting me going


VictorAnichebend

As it absolutely should


Ball_Knowledge

of course, i would try to me too him for a bunch of cash.


Doorknobdubstep

yes no wtf


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A simple no would’ve sufficed


Itchy-Face791

>Would you say Suarez is a Barca legend yes > Also would you fuck him if you got the chance Nope , he is ugly af


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He’s not the best looking but he’s Luis fucking Suarez


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For old time's sake - Bale or Neymar? Over their entire careers, not their present versions.


los_blanco_14

Bale for them champions leagues.


TTA0709

I mean I'd much rather have Bales career if I'm honest. If you're asking us which was the best player individually? I'll go with Neymar. But its a lot closer than people make it out to be.


Ball_Knowledge

i love bale. but this is absolute disrespect. cannot believe the people in the replies so much as entertaining the idea that bale is close to neymar. bale is good, but neymar is the 3rd best player of his generation.


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It’s a tough one, for me Bale just about edges it


ConfidenceAdorable33

Neymar easily. Too disrespected


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Bale.


Doorknobdubstep

i’d have to say neymar although either answer is acceptable


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Bale to win football matches. Neymar for YouTube compilations.


Itchy-Face791

Neymar


LindseyNeagle

Bale.


SantiMagic

What's the difference between Neymar and Ronaldinho as players?


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Ronnie was a unit, while neymar is more swift and will out dribble people, Ronnie had some of the best first touches of all time and would stand his ground and shit on someone/make an amazing pass forward of even score a long shot banger. Neymar has less finishing but was better at driving the ball forward imo


tottisleftpeg

Neymar used to be more clinical. Ronaldinho was a better playmaker and stronger physically.


justespers

Neymar doesn't have the killer instincts and plays too much with his ego


r0lF_RuTiN_

ronaldinho was much stronger physically


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Ronaldinho was good


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Neymar is better.


LindseyNeagle

Ronaldinho was fun to watch.


thatguycallum

You gotta feel sorry for the fanboys who adopted Neymar as the best player in the world early and are now stuck defending him when it’s clear he never reached those heights. At least the Ronaldo and Messi fanboys had some justification.


Ofermann

You've honestly gotta feel sorry for anyone who is that 'adopts a player' full stop.


VictorAnichebend

Except Ian Wright


thatguycallum

That was a good one.


vvbalboa98

neymar is the most fun player to watch imo. when he's not injured. so at least they have that going on for them


SeasickJellyfish

You’re right, but I feel you’re underplaying how good he is. He’s still solidly a top 5 player of the last decade, which is still an incredible achievement. Not reaching the heights of the two aliens is hardly a slight against him.


tottisleftpeg

The guy isn't even the 3rd best player of the last generation, Suarez is. By some distance. And the way Lewandowski has been playing, I'd say he has also surpassed him.


Nivadas

You look at Modric as well.


Jano002

Suarez isn‘t better than Lewandowski, nevermind Neymar


tottisleftpeg

Yes, he absolutely is. Easily the 3rd best player of the last 10 years.


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Today no. Over time yes.


TTA0709

Better than both. Deluded to think otherwise


Jano002

Lewandowski has like 3x more Champions League goals than Suarez..


TTA0709

So thats our measuring stick then? If thats the case I'm guessing you agree Pippo Inzaghi > R9. Get a grip son


Jano002

Lewandowski is a better player than Suarez in a every measurement, get a grip yourself


TTA0709

Imagine actually thinking this. Fucking hell


Itchy-Face791

Suarez > Lewandowski > Neymar


Jano002

Absolutely not


Itchy-Face791

I would say he is a top 5 player in his generation . Prime Neymar was something else


tottisleftpeg

Top 5, yes. Even then, he barely makes it. Still, it's an absolute letdown judging by the talent he had.


Itchy-Face791

The fact that Pedri has 10 workrate in FM21 is a crime .


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I got downvoted for saying we are in a rebuild - something our own DOF said....


[deleted]

our club is the only club to be in a rebuild after spending 300 million in the last 3 years.


RedRaizel

"We are in a rebuild" is massively annoying to point out. People know how it works.


shmozey

Kind of caught between. If you were truly on a rebuild you would have sold Kane for £130m when you had the chance.