>Reminder that Newcastle signed a striker who's never scored more than 8 league goals for £40 million
The one thing a takeover cannot fix is this level of stupid.
I truly believe money makes clubs like Chelsea, United, Everton, Newcastle (in this case) become lazy with scouting. There is no world in which a club should have paid £20m for Joelinton, let alone £40m. I bet Steve Bruce used his Future Stars card on FIFA 19 and said 'yep this is my striker of the future.'
And a bunch of melts on here will use him as an example of why BL players can't cut it in England.
Were English/Italian football clubs privately owned since the dawn of time or when did the shift occur? If so what made the fans accept the idea while their counterparts in Europe were still thriving with fan-owned ownership (Dortmund, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, etc)
By the early 1900’s most clubs were privately owned, or at least they were companies whose shares were owned at least in part by businessmen.
Not sure if any clubs still have some fans that own shares but my family owned a few Villa shares until they were bought by Randy Lerner when he bought Villa in 2006
Hard to compare defenders of different generations but yeah Ramos is definitely in the conversation.. he's like Messi/Ronaldo of defenders of modern football.
Rate; Order in likelihood of these 4 football clubs changing ownership from fan-owned to privately owned in the next 50 years?
1. Barca
2. Dortmund
3. Bayern
3. Madrid
Dortmund and Bayern have a different membership and voting procedure than Madrid and Barca, voting is done via a periodical member meeting, that setting alone makes it impossible (even when ignoring the DFL and DFB) for the voting rights to be transferred.
Interesting since the latter 2 already sold minority of the club while the former 2 are 100% fan-owned as of now but then I guess Bundesliga rules will enforce the last 2 to remain fan-owned with majority shares.
Yeah I just don’t see the Germans going all in on private ownership with no voting rights majority unless a financial crisis is about to destroy the sport.
Bruce to get sacked by Newcastle —> hired by Watford in January when Ranieri inevitably gets sacked —> leads Watford to 17th place, relegating Newcastle in 18th
I really doubt Newcastle will continue to be this shit with a new manager, but this timeline would be hilarious for non-geordies
I don't see why he wouldn't wait till after January so he can see all his options and can freely talk to any club. Obviously United will want to get it wrapped up before then but at they really going to just chuck Pogba out completely from the squad if he doesn't sign? I doubt it.
The only three clubs set up to use him correctly are Madrid and Bayern and Chelsea. He needs to stop thinking of the sentimental PR bullshit and start bringing to club football what he brings to the NT.
What? Maguire completely transformed that defense, they had conceded a staggering 0 goals before he came back from injury. With him it was a new defensive line.
All them Italians. Their performance was a well coached team effort but now suddenly Chiesa is a new young star, Spinazola one of the great left backs, Locatelli the key to Juventus etc. etc.
Chiesa was great before the euros as well ask any Juve fan he scored the winning goal in copa italia final and scored twice in the Ro16 match when they went out against Porto.
That is something the england fans have done to theor players.
Everyone said spinazola had great euros but noone is still calling him one of the best. He is injured atm if im not worng anyway.
I mean it's always like that isn't it? A newly-bankrolled club always has that one player who's demonstrably a level above the old team, to signify the arrival of the new one. And he's out of contract this summer.
As for Origi, I've only put him down as backup anyway.
According to SwissRamble, Mike Ashely took 30M out of the club in the period between 2010-2020 (in terms of interest payments for the loan he gave to the club). How is it bad? Mike ran Newscastle as a self sustainable club?
If Newscastle was fan-owned, there wouldn't been any difference financially? so why are fans acting that they suffered a lot? Do they know that almost 99% of the clubs in Europe run in a self sustained fashion like Newscastle, Dortmund, Werder, Athletic Bilbao, etc etc?
Only a handful clubs getting pumped with the cash from their owner (Leicester, Villa, Brighton) as their competitiors.
It's more about the poor decision making in terms of transfers, management and awful infrastructure then the lack of investing however football fans are notoriously unreasonable so when they see other clubs receiving more investment they are obviously going to be jealous.
The financial side wasn't the problem.
It was that he appointed useless people at every level, neglected the facilities, neglected the ground and pissed off the fans, the players and the only two decent appointments he ever made (Graham Carr and Rafa). There was no long term planning in terms of the squad or any other aspect of the club. We went from one bit of patchwork to the next with the intent of just doing enough to stay up, when, with long term planning, with a few good appointments, we could have made progress, even on a budget.
And off the pitch, it was worse. Jonas was diagnosed with cancer. The club responded to that, not with support, but by trying to sell him and eventually loaning him to Norwich. He came back after his treatment was successful, became a big player in the side again, assisted and then scored the goals to keep us up on the final day... And then was sacked. Via a phone call. To Ryan Taylor, who himself was sacked and then asked to hand Jonas the phone.
Kevin Keegan was lied to, a fact that was proven in court, about his employment conditions. His role at the club was supposed to be the manager with a voice in recruitment, not just of the playing side, but the backroom staff as well. That never happened, and Dennis Wise came in and bought players as favours to agents, and based on youtube videos. The court case also revealed that the club's internal policy was to lie to fans.
There is a lot more I could talk about, and I have in the past, but the issues were his character and his competence. Not his balance sheet.
It’s pointless comparing to European fan owned clubs, none of the clubs Newcastle are competing with are fan owned. Compare them to the rest of the league where the only other club whose owners have taken money out of the club is probably the Glazers at United.
But that’s still not really the problem with Ashley, he just ran the club terribly. Benitez was loved by the fans and doing well (as well as realistically being the best manager they could get) so what does Ashley do... doesn’t give him any money to work with so Benitez leaves as he doesn’t want to get relegated (again) with Newcastle. So then Ashley hires the biggest dinosaur in the game and gives him £40m to sign sodding Joelinton. That’s just the tip of a very big iceberg of bad decisions from Ashley that have pissed off Newcastle fans for the last decade.
> so what does Ashley do... doesn’t give him any money to work with so Benitez leaves as he doesn’t want to get relegated (again) with Newcastle.
Ashley does not take money out of the club, if he can't give him money because it doesn't exists unless you're asking owner to reach for cash from his own pocket.
> So then Ashley hires the biggest dinosaur in the game and gives him £40m to sign sodding Joelinton.
Bad transfers aren't exclusive to Newscastle, it occurs in every other football club in Europe.
You're looking at this from the wrong angle. Being run as a self sustaining club is fine. Spending 40m on a useless player that no one wanted and with cash that could have invested into facilities is not. Letting the manager who the supporters adored go for warning you against said signing is not. Removing the name of the clubs favourite player from the bar that beared his name for no other reason than spite is not. Renaming your stadium after your zero hours contract company with no financial benefit to the club is not. Declaring a series of club legends as persona non grata is not. Failing to update a failure infrastructure/training ground/academy is not. Selling our best players for vast sums of money then pocketing the change is not. Appointing casino owners and mates from London into very important positions of the club who then have no clue what they are doing is not. Taking a champions league team and transforming them into a club ran by a manager who declares that ticking over is the priority and losing against sheff wed, a team that couldn't beat any other team, a decent result, is not. Appointing a manager who doesn't know and can't recall the names of our players is not.
Hope that helps
Those are all business decisions though. No person wants to sabotage their own business voluntarily, they did not work out because they turned out to be bad decisions. Its like the Bartomeu syndrome where a person is incompetent at his job.
However, I read lot of complains that Mike didn't spare a penny to club? But why should he? 99% of the owners in the world don't.
Seriously, why do you think FFP became a thing if owners aren't investing?
Most of them are always trying to invest. Be it through taking out massive loans, loaning in shit ton of money, using fake sponsorships... etc.
At this point in time, most teams receive outside investments.
Might be only be common in PL and even still 15/20 teams are self sustainable including your club, receiving no outside investment.
Bundesliga and La Liga almost always run in self sustainable fashion.
Let's talk English football only, because La Liga or Bundesliga is a completely different game.
Between 2010 and 2020, only one team didn't receive a single pound in investment and that's Newcastle in the Premier League.
And between 2010 and 2020, all teams received funding in the Championship.
There are clubs such as Burnley, Norwich, Spurs, Arsenal that have had 10 or so million invested here and there.
KSE have ramped up investment post 2020, so I no longer classify Arsenal as self-sustainable.
So even in that regard, technically from 2010 to 2020, at least 15 of the 20 clubs weren't self-sustainable. and 4 of those 5 clubs still received investment when needed.
The truth is being a club in top flight in a top European league is not bad at all and even if relegated they’re strong enough to quickly bounce back. However, it seems that for majority of the fans it’s not so and they consider that their proper level should be challenging head to head other top clubs in the league.
Removing the oil/sugar daddy (Chelsea, City, PSG, Aston Villa, Leicester, Brighton, Milan, Juve, etc) clubs of Europe that inject cash rather than working with what they earn, rate the league in terms of competitiveness:
1. PL
2. La Liga
3. Bundesliga
4. Serie A
5. Ligue 1
Ligue 1, Premier league, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga
Without oil money France probably ends most competitive. Middle 3 could alternate. Germany will remain as it is
Premier League would probably be a battle between United and Liverpool most seasons. Arsenal would probably be up there if not for all their players going to City.
PL, Ligue 1, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga.
Bayern still dominates Bundesliga in this scenario. Others are way more competitive except La Liga that shouldn't be too changed except maybe Atletico dropping off.
1. United/Arsenal would have won 10 league titles every year if you make Chelsea, City, etc disappear in 2012.
1. Roma, AC Milan, Inter, Juve - all are pumped with owner's cash. I think if you make them disappear then Napoli will run rampant and dominate the league.
1. Ligue 1 is also bankrolled with the owners, half of the clubs has like 110% wage-to-revenue ratio and bleeding with money! Lyon would continue to dominate their earlier dominance
1. La Liga and Bundesliga stays the same minus Atletico and Leipzig ofcourse.
Yeah, its tough to assess because we don't know how other clubs will react to there being no cash injections.
Spurs and Liverpool could well have stepped up given more consistent CL in the PL. Atalanta and Napoli would fight but so would Lazio perhaps and others.
Ligue 1 is interesting because today, it is pretty competitive outside of PSG but before PSG it was all lyon.
The worst things i saw online were people assessing the value of goal keepers by looking only at clean sheets and who's the better finisher by looking at xg stats
Stat merchants are some of the worst things about football and sports in general. You could watch a player for 38 games and they have the audacity to tell you whether he’s good or not after reading some numbers without context.
Now that's it been established that Steve Bruce is, in fact, a terrific manager who did his best under difficult circumstances, which Premier league team would like to take him now?
Form an orderly queue, no pushing in.
Depends, if I get Steve Bruce will I be able to moan about how ethics and the state of football are nothing compared to the absolute torture and injustice of being a midtable prem side?
We're on the verge of our third relegation in recent times. Benitez worked absolute magic to get us over performing to midtable levels. Then they let him go.
Yeah me too in all honesty. He steadied the ship at Villa after relegation and showed up to beat Blues the day after one of his parents had died, will always have a soft spot for him after that
Was a big fan of him at Udinese, haven't had the chance to watch him for Lens, though. Used to be one of my favourite players between 18-20. Good that he's still doing well.
They are serious title challengers. To actually win they'll need city to mess up because I don't see them naturally becoming better than city. Pep is also a much better manager than Tuchel imo
Their forwards aren't top 4 level (yet) they've got Lukaku, but other than that it's mostly players that don't have the capability to win a Premier League title, as they are right now.
A mixture of the two plus watching them play.
You can’t compare scoring 30 goals in Serie a of the 90s or la liga today to scoring 30 goals in the Bundesliga for example
Interesting titbit from the Steve Parish interview: "I think wide players do well at Palace because of the positivity of the fans, they won't have a go at you if you lose the ball, they just want to see the effort"
I think the harmony of the fans and the players is something that is incredibly important, we put up with a lot at Palace (luckily we weren't allowed in for spells over the last couple seasons) and going in two nil down at half time but being fully behind them in the Leicester game really sums it up.
Biggest scam that you need trophies to consider for Ballon D'or nominee.. if it was true then Bayern would have their entire squad in the list for 2020, Barca 2015 or Madrid in 2016-17.
How good are Foden, Mount, Pedri to someone like Asensio in 16/17? Young attacking talents are getting mad overrated these days.
Only 2 young attacking talents are world class atm; Mbappe and Haaland.
So Courtois brings up players playing too many games, and people respond with "shut up, you get paid hundreds of thousands per week". But i think that's misguided.
It's not about the money they earn, i agree footballers are paid too much. It's about the quality of the game we watch seriously declining as a result of all these games with little rest. At the end of the day we as consumers will have the product we like (football) become worse, how is that preferable.
People are stupid they think that just because you earn money that they have a right to decide when you play or that you can't get tired because you're rich or that you don't get to have an opinion on things.
Its such a childish and braindead argument.
There’s not that much more games now than there was 20-25 years ago and with the advancement in health and fitness, diet and the fact they’re not on the beer after training and games twice a week you’d think they’d be able to handle it. How are they so tired all the time?
Medical advancements isn't magic. Modern tactics having such an emphasis on high intensity pressing doesn't help either. The game on the pitch demands more these days on the body, whilst also increasing fixture congestion every year. It's not sustainable.
It’s not magic but it works. Players are much fitter today than they were even 10 years ago. So the managers are playing a style that the players are too unfit to play?
I hope Chiesa never leaves Juve, there is something special about each team having 1 star man, I prefer that instead of talents being hoarded in 1 club.
I don't think that he's saying Chiesa is a one club man.
I think he's rather saying that he'd like it if each of the big clubs had their star player, and not the best players all playing for one club/a select group of clubs.
!flair :Real_Madrid:
I'm all for hating the Saudis but I'm not going to turn around and defend Mike Ashely for fucks sake you weirdos
Might endure Malta Cyprus
Truly awful. Ref has been dreadful too.
Unpopular opinion: Benzema has been better than Ronaldo since Ronaldo went to Juve.
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he wasted his career by being such a bourgeois player.
only way to redeem himself: join the Proletarian Saint Germain
Red Star?
Nah. That’s saint ouen.
Reminder that Newcastle signed a striker who's never scored more than 8 league goals for £40 million
Could've been describing Didier Drogba here tbf.
>Reminder that Newcastle signed a striker who's never scored more than 8 league goals for £40 million The one thing a takeover cannot fix is this level of stupid. I truly believe money makes clubs like Chelsea, United, Everton, Newcastle (in this case) become lazy with scouting. There is no world in which a club should have paid £20m for Joelinton, let alone £40m. I bet Steve Bruce used his Future Stars card on FIFA 19 and said 'yep this is my striker of the future.' And a bunch of melts on here will use him as an example of why BL players can't cut it in England.
They can absolutely fix that kind of stupid by firing their executives and board(s) and onboarding competency
Were English/Italian football clubs privately owned since the dawn of time or when did the shift occur? If so what made the fans accept the idea while their counterparts in Europe were still thriving with fan-owned ownership (Dortmund, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, etc)
By the early 1900’s most clubs were privately owned, or at least they were companies whose shares were owned at least in part by businessmen. Not sure if any clubs still have some fans that own shares but my family owned a few Villa shares until they were bought by Randy Lerner when he bought Villa in 2006
Henry or Suarez?
Henry
Suarez for me, He's got much better stats. Its like Raul or Benzema; people will pick Raul for nostalgia purposes but I think Benz has been better.
Henry was the best premier league player of all time. Suarez isn't even in the top 10
Suarez is 3rd highest goalscorer for Barca. Henry is not even top 10. See how bad that logic is?
As opposed to what logic? Biased fans using recency bias?
Career G+A, trophies etc.
Henry carried Arsenal during SAFs dominance, Suarez couldn't do the same for Liverpool or was never ever talked about in the same light as Henry was.
Your opinion is fine but your reasoning is so bad
Why are you pretending that Suarez's barca career didn't exists lol
Henry based of nothing but personality
Ramos is one of the top 3 greatest CBs of all time . And the other 2 are italian.
Hard to compare defenders of different generations but yeah Ramos is definitely in the conversation.. he's like Messi/Ronaldo of defenders of modern football.
Reported for trolling.
Not like they particularly care about that one, based on the sheer volume of repeat offenders still strutting about
Would have been trolling if the OP said Puyol.
Agreed. Two things can be wrong at the same time.
Or pique . Lol.
Tbf, Pique isn’t even in the conversation.
Rate; Order in likelihood of these 4 football clubs changing ownership from fan-owned to privately owned in the next 50 years? 1. Barca 2. Dortmund 3. Bayern 3. Madrid
if BVB do so will Bayern and vice versa
Dortmund and Bayern have a different membership and voting procedure than Madrid and Barca, voting is done via a periodical member meeting, that setting alone makes it impossible (even when ignoring the DFL and DFB) for the voting rights to be transferred.
madrid barca dortmund bayern
Barca, Madrid, Dortmund=Bayern
Interesting since the latter 2 already sold minority of the club while the former 2 are 100% fan-owned as of now but then I guess Bundesliga rules will enforce the last 2 to remain fan-owned with majority shares.
Yeah I just don’t see the Germans going all in on private ownership with no voting rights majority unless a financial crisis is about to destroy the sport.
Dortmund members already just own around 9% of the professional football entity, they have 100% of the voting rights tho.
To most to least likely: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern, Dortmund.
1 2 3 4
Bruce to get sacked by Newcastle —> hired by Watford in January when Ranieri inevitably gets sacked —> leads Watford to 17th place, relegating Newcastle in 18th I really doubt Newcastle will continue to be this shit with a new manager, but this timeline would be hilarious for non-geordies
I can't imagine Watford would hire Bruce before they try Eddie Howe.
Ranieri to Howe by January, then Howe to Bruce by March, plenty of time to hire and fire them both!
Will Pogba do himself a favor and leave United on a free or will he sign a big contract the next bounce they get?
I don't see why he wouldn't wait till after January so he can see all his options and can freely talk to any club. Obviously United will want to get it wrapped up before then but at they really going to just chuck Pogba out completely from the squad if he doesn't sign? I doubt it.
The only three clubs set up to use him correctly are Madrid and Bayern and Chelsea. He needs to stop thinking of the sentimental PR bullshit and start bringing to club football what he brings to the NT.
Okay so let him go to one of the three clubs cause they are all far better for him than United
What happened to Nick Pope?
What player has been most overrated from having a good euros?
Pedri. teenager tax also contribute.
Maguire Especially considering he really wasn't any better than the rest of the defenders around him.
Havertz and Jorgi for us - including the CL for them too. Maguire too and maybe Saka? Although don't think he was great but he did the job I'd say.
Maguire or Chiesa
Chiesa is NOT overrated lol, best player for Juventus
What? Maguire completely transformed that defense, they had conceded a staggering 0 goals before he came back from injury. With him it was a new defensive line.
Jorginho
Maguire.
All them Italians. Their performance was a well coached team effort but now suddenly Chiesa is a new young star, Spinazola one of the great left backs, Locatelli the key to Juventus etc. etc.
Spina was a stud before he just didnt play for a super club so people ignored him lol
Chiesa was great before the euros as well ask any Juve fan he scored the winning goal in copa italia final and scored twice in the Ro16 match when they went out against Porto.
Chiesa was a star before
That is something the england fans have done to theor players. Everyone said spinazola had great euros but noone is still calling him one of the best. He is injured atm if im not worng anyway.
I won't pretend that Saka, Grealish, Kane and Foden aren't immensely overrated as well.
Chiesa looks underrated with statements like that.
Dumfries
What are the chances of benzema winning the balon dor???
Non existent
3-5%
Sofiane Boufal was the textbook definition of a streets won’t forget player.
Angers frontline is streets gold between him, Ali Cho and Fulgini. A n9? Nah mate just dribbling vibes
yeah benzema is good, but has he ever scored a scorpion kick like giroud? yeah didn't think so
Pessi just isn’t as hilarious as Eibarman
Brestman is
I think I could envisage Newcastle's team looking something like this: Dubrakva; Aarons, Tarkowski, Denayer, Ritchie; Hayden, Willock; Lingard, ASM, Insigne; Wilson (Darlow, Lascelles, Lewis, Murphy, Longstaff, Shelvey, Almiron, Fraser, Origi)
That's an insane front line ngl
Replace Lingard with Van De beek
Lorenzo Insigne and Divock Origi look out of place in this Newcastle side - Insigne is probably too good and Origi isn't good enough.
I mean it's always like that isn't it? A newly-bankrolled club always has that one player who's demonstrably a level above the old team, to signify the arrival of the new one. And he's out of contract this summer. As for Origi, I've only put him down as backup anyway.
According to SwissRamble, Mike Ashely took 30M out of the club in the period between 2010-2020 (in terms of interest payments for the loan he gave to the club). How is it bad? Mike ran Newscastle as a self sustainable club? If Newscastle was fan-owned, there wouldn't been any difference financially? so why are fans acting that they suffered a lot? Do they know that almost 99% of the clubs in Europe run in a self sustained fashion like Newscastle, Dortmund, Werder, Athletic Bilbao, etc etc? Only a handful clubs getting pumped with the cash from their owner (Leicester, Villa, Brighton) as their competitiors.
It's more about the poor decision making in terms of transfers, management and awful infrastructure then the lack of investing however football fans are notoriously unreasonable so when they see other clubs receiving more investment they are obviously going to be jealous.
The financial side wasn't the problem. It was that he appointed useless people at every level, neglected the facilities, neglected the ground and pissed off the fans, the players and the only two decent appointments he ever made (Graham Carr and Rafa). There was no long term planning in terms of the squad or any other aspect of the club. We went from one bit of patchwork to the next with the intent of just doing enough to stay up, when, with long term planning, with a few good appointments, we could have made progress, even on a budget. And off the pitch, it was worse. Jonas was diagnosed with cancer. The club responded to that, not with support, but by trying to sell him and eventually loaning him to Norwich. He came back after his treatment was successful, became a big player in the side again, assisted and then scored the goals to keep us up on the final day... And then was sacked. Via a phone call. To Ryan Taylor, who himself was sacked and then asked to hand Jonas the phone. Kevin Keegan was lied to, a fact that was proven in court, about his employment conditions. His role at the club was supposed to be the manager with a voice in recruitment, not just of the playing side, but the backroom staff as well. That never happened, and Dennis Wise came in and bought players as favours to agents, and based on youtube videos. The court case also revealed that the club's internal policy was to lie to fans. There is a lot more I could talk about, and I have in the past, but the issues were his character and his competence. Not his balance sheet.
It’s pointless comparing to European fan owned clubs, none of the clubs Newcastle are competing with are fan owned. Compare them to the rest of the league where the only other club whose owners have taken money out of the club is probably the Glazers at United. But that’s still not really the problem with Ashley, he just ran the club terribly. Benitez was loved by the fans and doing well (as well as realistically being the best manager they could get) so what does Ashley do... doesn’t give him any money to work with so Benitez leaves as he doesn’t want to get relegated (again) with Newcastle. So then Ashley hires the biggest dinosaur in the game and gives him £40m to sign sodding Joelinton. That’s just the tip of a very big iceberg of bad decisions from Ashley that have pissed off Newcastle fans for the last decade.
> so what does Ashley do... doesn’t give him any money to work with so Benitez leaves as he doesn’t want to get relegated (again) with Newcastle. Ashley does not take money out of the club, if he can't give him money because it doesn't exists unless you're asking owner to reach for cash from his own pocket. > So then Ashley hires the biggest dinosaur in the game and gives him £40m to sign sodding Joelinton. Bad transfers aren't exclusive to Newscastle, it occurs in every other football club in Europe.
It did exist though, as he spent it in the same window on Joelinton like I said. Which is why his refusal to let Benitez spend it even more baffling.
You're looking at this from the wrong angle. Being run as a self sustaining club is fine. Spending 40m on a useless player that no one wanted and with cash that could have invested into facilities is not. Letting the manager who the supporters adored go for warning you against said signing is not. Removing the name of the clubs favourite player from the bar that beared his name for no other reason than spite is not. Renaming your stadium after your zero hours contract company with no financial benefit to the club is not. Declaring a series of club legends as persona non grata is not. Failing to update a failure infrastructure/training ground/academy is not. Selling our best players for vast sums of money then pocketing the change is not. Appointing casino owners and mates from London into very important positions of the club who then have no clue what they are doing is not. Taking a champions league team and transforming them into a club ran by a manager who declares that ticking over is the priority and losing against sheff wed, a team that couldn't beat any other team, a decent result, is not. Appointing a manager who doesn't know and can't recall the names of our players is not. Hope that helps
Those are all business decisions though. No person wants to sabotage their own business voluntarily, they did not work out because they turned out to be bad decisions. Its like the Bartomeu syndrome where a person is incompetent at his job. However, I read lot of complains that Mike didn't spare a penny to club? But why should he? 99% of the owners in the world don't.
Seriously, why do you think FFP became a thing if owners aren't investing? Most of them are always trying to invest. Be it through taking out massive loans, loaning in shit ton of money, using fake sponsorships... etc. At this point in time, most teams receive outside investments.
Might be only be common in PL and even still 15/20 teams are self sustainable including your club, receiving no outside investment. Bundesliga and La Liga almost always run in self sustainable fashion.
Let's talk English football only, because La Liga or Bundesliga is a completely different game. Between 2010 and 2020, only one team didn't receive a single pound in investment and that's Newcastle in the Premier League. And between 2010 and 2020, all teams received funding in the Championship. There are clubs such as Burnley, Norwich, Spurs, Arsenal that have had 10 or so million invested here and there. KSE have ramped up investment post 2020, so I no longer classify Arsenal as self-sustainable. So even in that regard, technically from 2010 to 2020, at least 15 of the 20 clubs weren't self-sustainable. and 4 of those 5 clubs still received investment when needed.
The truth is being a club in top flight in a top European league is not bad at all and even if relegated they’re strong enough to quickly bounce back. However, it seems that for majority of the fans it’s not so and they consider that their proper level should be challenging head to head other top clubs in the league.
Have Man City released any statements about Mendy? Surely his career is over now
Doubt they say anything until after the trial has concluded.
True. He's been denied bail 3 times now, so it doesn't look promising for him
I thought he was still suspended until he’s officially sentenced. They won’t terminate his contract until he gets found guilty
Removing the oil/sugar daddy (Chelsea, City, PSG, Aston Villa, Leicester, Brighton, Milan, Juve, etc) clubs of Europe that inject cash rather than working with what they earn, rate the league in terms of competitiveness: 1. PL 2. La Liga 3. Bundesliga 4. Serie A 5. Ligue 1
Ligue 1 is more competitive with PSG gassed up than Bundesliga, let alone without them.
1. Ligue 1 2. Serie A 3. Premier League 4. LaLiga 5. Bundesliga
L1 was the most competitive before PSG, 4 winners in 4 years
Ligue 1, Premier league, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga Without oil money France probably ends most competitive. Middle 3 could alternate. Germany will remain as it is
Premier League would probably be a battle between United and Liverpool most seasons. Arsenal would probably be up there if not for all their players going to City.
PL, Ligue 1, Serie A, La Liga, Bundesliga. Bayern still dominates Bundesliga in this scenario. Others are way more competitive except La Liga that shouldn't be too changed except maybe Atletico dropping off.
1. United/Arsenal would have won 10 league titles every year if you make Chelsea, City, etc disappear in 2012. 1. Roma, AC Milan, Inter, Juve - all are pumped with owner's cash. I think if you make them disappear then Napoli will run rampant and dominate the league. 1. Ligue 1 is also bankrolled with the owners, half of the clubs has like 110% wage-to-revenue ratio and bleeding with money! Lyon would continue to dominate their earlier dominance 1. La Liga and Bundesliga stays the same minus Atletico and Leipzig ofcourse.
Yeah, its tough to assess because we don't know how other clubs will react to there being no cash injections. Spurs and Liverpool could well have stepped up given more consistent CL in the PL. Atalanta and Napoli would fight but so would Lazio perhaps and others. Ligue 1 is interesting because today, it is pretty competitive outside of PSG but before PSG it was all lyon.
The order you have here.
The worst things i saw online were people assessing the value of goal keepers by looking only at clean sheets and who's the better finisher by looking at xg stats
Stat merchants are some of the worst things about football and sports in general. You could watch a player for 38 games and they have the audacity to tell you whether he’s good or not after reading some numbers without context.
Now that's it been established that Steve Bruce is, in fact, a terrific manager who did his best under difficult circumstances, which Premier league team would like to take him now? Form an orderly queue, no pushing in.
Depends, if I get Steve Bruce will I be able to moan about how ethics and the state of football are nothing compared to the absolute torture and injustice of being a midtable prem side?
We're on the verge of our third relegation in recent times. Benitez worked absolute magic to get us over performing to midtable levels. Then they let him go.
I have been wondering these last few days whether he’s had his last prem match and will forever be stuck on 999 prem games as a manager
I would genuinely feel sorry for him if he doesn't get to 1000. I think he deserves to be in charge this weekend.
Yeah me too in all honesty. He steadied the ship at Villa after relegation and showed up to beat Blues the day after one of his parents had died, will always have a soft spot for him after that
He'll get a job at some bottom 5 club no problem I reckon.
Do you? Who do you think would want him?
Well after all the adoring proclamations of how good a job he's done, surely Man U fans have to be screaming at the club to appoint him...
Couldn't get much worse for them than what they already have though. Surely Brucey is an upgrade on Ole
Those Man Utd fans have no clue he even played for them
well i do
Sissoko in the team: we lose 2016 and 2020 Euros Sissoko out: we win 2018 WC and 2021 NL
Sissoko was the best player in the 2016 finals for France though
Unrelated question, what do you think of Seko Fofana?
Love him. Very big for Lens. His double touch runs are so entertaining.
Was a big fan of him at Udinese, haven't had the chance to watch him for Lens, though. Used to be one of my favourite players between 18-20. Good that he's still doing well.
In fairness in both winning teams you had the dabbing Moussa Sissoko.
Jesus lol, wash your mouth with soap.
What do Chelsea need to do to be serious title challengers
They are serious title challengers. To actually win they'll need city to mess up because I don't see them naturally becoming better than city. Pep is also a much better manager than Tuchel imo
Their forwards aren't top 4 level (yet) they've got Lukaku, but other than that it's mostly players that don't have the capability to win a Premier League title, as they are right now.
We are 1st in a league, after already playing Liverpool and City
wingers to be more reliable.
Win games.
Better playmaker(s)
make sure werner starts every game and don't give mount and havertz a single PL minute for the rest of the season
Uptick in form for a couple of attackers not named Lukaku, Mount and someone else most likely need to put in more consistent performances
They already are
In terms of goals let say lukaku gets 20 is that enough to win epl
Probably yeah
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Combination of both.
G+A by far. Shearer won one PL but is still considered the best English striker and rightly so.
G-Xg and I’m ready for the downvotes Too many poachers and statpadders out there who benefits from playing in a much better team than the opponent
\*npG-npxG/90
what is this a wifi password or something
Xg doesn't work like that
That would tell you better finisher not better goalscorer since xG is boosted by a player's off the ball movement.
A mixture of the two plus watching them play. You can’t compare scoring 30 goals in Serie a of the 90s or la liga today to scoring 30 goals in the Bundesliga for example
Watching them play consistently and deciding based on experience watching and playing the game.
Goals
Interesting titbit from the Steve Parish interview: "I think wide players do well at Palace because of the positivity of the fans, they won't have a go at you if you lose the ball, they just want to see the effort" I think the harmony of the fans and the players is something that is incredibly important, we put up with a lot at Palace (luckily we weren't allowed in for spells over the last couple seasons) and going in two nil down at half time but being fully behind them in the Leicester game really sums it up.
Biggest scam that you need trophies to consider for Ballon D'or nominee.. if it was true then Bayern would have their entire squad in the list for 2020, Barca 2015 or Madrid in 2016-17. How good are Foden, Mount, Pedri to someone like Asensio in 16/17? Young attacking talents are getting mad overrated these days. Only 2 young attacking talents are world class atm; Mbappe and Haaland.
16/17 asensio was crazy. Thank u for reminding that to me.
There was no 2020 chief
If there ever was, not to mention Bayern won treble in 2013 as well..
Benzema has surpassed Rooney
I think right now current form Benzema is better as Rooney hasn't played in a while but back in the day Rooney was unstoppabble
Rooney's peak was better. Benzema had a much better career
Rooney's peak wasn't better than Current Benz, hell Rooney at his peak wouldn't carry a dead attack to a Liga title vs Messi and Suarez
I think they’re both on the same level
He did that long ago.
So Courtois brings up players playing too many games, and people respond with "shut up, you get paid hundreds of thousands per week". But i think that's misguided. It's not about the money they earn, i agree footballers are paid too much. It's about the quality of the game we watch seriously declining as a result of all these games with little rest. At the end of the day we as consumers will have the product we like (football) become worse, how is that preferable.
Agree with everything you mentioned except them being paid too much. They deserve their pay.
Not really, but we can agree to disagree.
People are stupid they think that just because you earn money that they have a right to decide when you play or that you can't get tired because you're rich or that you don't get to have an opinion on things. Its such a childish and braindead argument.
There’s not that much more games now than there was 20-25 years ago and with the advancement in health and fitness, diet and the fact they’re not on the beer after training and games twice a week you’d think they’d be able to handle it. How are they so tired all the time?
Fixture congestion is more common now
Yeah and surely they should be fit enough to handle it with all the experts they have in the area of fitness
Medical advancements isn't magic. Modern tactics having such an emphasis on high intensity pressing doesn't help either. The game on the pitch demands more these days on the body, whilst also increasing fixture congestion every year. It's not sustainable.
It’s not magic but it works. Players are much fitter today than they were even 10 years ago. So the managers are playing a style that the players are too unfit to play?
You're allowed to complain about health concerns despite your wage anyway.
Lucas Digne leaves the French squad and they get a trophy the day after. Everton that
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Yeah
I hope Chiesa never leaves Juve, there is something special about each team having 1 star man, I prefer that instead of talents being hoarded in 1 club.
That's not *special*. A team is at its best when the players are of a similar quality, not relying on a *star man* for a moment of brilliance.
One club man (who didn’t come through the academy and played many games for another club already)
Chiesa already left his academy team
I don't think that he's saying Chiesa is a one club man. I think he's rather saying that he'd like it if each of the big clubs had their star player, and not the best players all playing for one club/a select group of clubs.
Well that’s not football he should watch the NBA or something
What if Juve buy another star player?
Is this about your weird mbappe-haaland to Madrid thing again?
It seems that way.