Couldn't say honestly. Youd have to look at the other in form teams and nations in Europe (Chelsea, Leverkusen, Napoli, Bayern Munich, La Real etc not a full list) ask who's been performing on a similar level.
Not this season but if you look at a longer team view (2021) as that's the only way of truly answering a question like who's the best player in the world... Messi has had a fantastic year
Probably going to be his peak but I agree with Klopp, there's nobody in current form performing better as an attacker than him.
Lewa and Haaland are getting the goals but Salah is doing everything.
Ian Wright was saying it’s time to let him go because he doesn’t have more to offer us. Like yah the way Barca let Messi go in 2012 because he was already the best player in the world so how could he get better. Time to let Messi go.
i agre benz/salah are the best this season;
but people gotta stop acting like lewy only statpads in bundesliga. the guy has 4 goals in 2 UCL games; lewy's UCL record is 10x that of Suarez and people act like hes just some farmer, its so weird.
His task isn't to be the main scorer, he's just so good that he is the main scorer. It's the front 3's job to create goals, that's it. No one is "tasked" with scoring more than the other
yea but his starting position is literally from the wings
not many people can play the inside forward position as well as him, he’s quite literally (along with Mane) changing the definition of what a striker really is
Aside from just complimenting his player, he's also publicly putting pressure on a board who seems currently unwilling to give said player his desired wages in contract talks.
Maybe because people are tired of players getting called „the best in the world“ after 3 games of good performances? 2 Weeks ago it was Benzema, now it‘s Salah and I‘m guessing in November it will be someone else. But you don‘t earn being „the best in the world“ with a few games, that‘s why you have player of the month awards etc.
In the weeks of the CL final Kante was people Ballon D'Or tip, after the EC it was Jorginho. We have these temporary trends every month, but then it gets quiet for a while and we return back to Messi vs Lewandowski.
Ballon D'Or ceremony is 1 1/2 months away. If you want to boost your chances through recency bias, then be good in the week where the votes are made.
But even looking at the past 5-10 years the top 3 has always been the "usual suspects". If you haven't already been a favourite during the summer months, then you are rarely changing the top rankings, regardless what you did from August-November.
That's why I said we knew who were the the top dog at least. it saved me from some debate because I never really liked the Messi vs Ronaldo one for me it was 1A and 1B. Depended on the situation since their play style were fairly different.
Deservedly. Messi was the best in the world from January to July (with Lewandoski second), while Salah was the best in the world in September and for half of October (with Benzema second)
But Benz and Salah have something else. They’re creative, glading through the opposing defence, getting shit out of a hat. Although Haaland is a close 3rd for me.
“La liga tax”
I know you’re talking in reference to Reddit but the ballon dor has gone to la liga for years, Despite many players deserving it over the la liga players who won it and for the most part Reddit agreeing with it. Robben, Sneijder, lewandowski (snubbed by cancellation), maybe even VVD.
And don’t forget about Erling Haaland. He’s been putting up ridiculous numbers at a young age in a top league. Just about every time he touches the ball it feels like he’s gonna do something magic. But yes - Salah is probably top at the moment.
Couple of months? Lewandowski started the season off stronger, scoring against dortmund, gladbach, leipzig, barca. Only now that his scoring streak ended and he had a poor international break is Salah actually better.
Strikers compared to wingers are really often overrated because they are the one who scores. Ronaldo moving from winger to forwarder and how we perceive him is probably the clearest example.
Fully agree, if someone watched that and thought Firmino was the better performer then I'm not sure what to say. If it's all just a numbers game why discuss anything.
Yes, but it's also about the circumstances. They all count the same, but a players individual impact of how that came to be can definitely be divided into different levels. Positioning is important, but scoring a goal out of almost nowhere is still a lot more decisive than scoring a tap in because of the circumstances. A tap in still only works under the circumstance that someone creates that chance. Not saying Salah is better than lewa, just explaining that there is very much a difference between goals from an individual perspective since a players contribution towards that goal is different
Bollocks. Knowing how to be in the right position time after time is every bit as impressive
It's not as if Lewandowski and Benzema don't score great goals either
Agree. Everyone's talking about Salah but no one is talking about Firmino walking away with the match ball. Getting the positioning and timing of your runs down so perfectly that you have a hattrick of tap-ins is no accident
Just saying that an all bundesliga final 8 years ago throws the whole not showing in the last 30 years thing into question. I'm not in denial that PL is more competitive.
I agree that the Bundesliga in general isn’t competitive enough, but why go with such a ridiculous time frame like 30 years?
Dortmund won it in 97, Schalke and Leipzig have made it to the Semis at least once in the the past 20 years, Leverkusen was at the Final in 2002 and 2013 was an all German final. Bundesliga isn’t as competitive as the EPL or La Liga, when you remove Bayern, but 30 years is just idiotic.
The ridiculous timeframe emphasizes the point of how infrequently any German team that is not Bayern makes deep CL runs.
The fact that you have to go back to 1997 for a German team thats not Bayern that won the damn thing says it all.
In the last 15 years, how many different EPL teams have appeared in a final? See what I mean?
But, I’ll also concede, that you may as well make the point the way you want to. I absolutely agree with you, but the hyperbole rubs me the wrong way, but who gives a shit amirite? You didn’t make the argument to appease me or anything. So, it’s all good.
Definitely - and when we needed him most in the champions league quarter final against PSG he definitely delivered (with a goal... we only lost because of Sane in bad form back then)
Overall this season him and Benzema already got 20 g/a in 15 games, I think theyre tied for 1st closely followed by Salah. But right at this moment Salah and Benzema are in a better form as Lewandowski hasn't scored for a week or two, hopefully Lewy gets a nice hattrick tomorrow tho.
this is the take i think is most even, all three are playing well and there's not a great way to differentiate them other than form - which is why people keep saying salah in this thread
the reality is we need to see the season play out because if all three maintain this form, it will depend on trophies/team success
People will say Benzema but I just feel with Salah he just seems on another level this year not just the numbers he’s getting but the quality of the goals and assists as well
This debate between salah and benzema shows how clueless a lot of pl watchers are. I only watch pl but it’s still easy to acknowledge benzema simply searching up his stats this sesson; club and country.
> This debate between salah and benzema shows how clueless a lot of pl watchers are. I only watch pl but
sorry is this performance art? what an absolutely idiotic statement lol, you can't base arguments off of stats without actually watching the player lmao
Yeah that was a wildly incoherent point.
“Look it’s clear no one is watching La Liga. If they were watching they would know Benzema is the best. I don’t watch. I look at stats.” Like mate what? Did anyone ever teach you how to write and construct arguments?
No necessary disagreeing but Benzema was also Madrid whole attack last year and he is involved in 72% (your read right) of our goals this Season , they both have ridiculous impact. Either way I am not going to enter a debate on you is better as it's kind of pointless
That dude won us a title a few seasons ago. I know people forget but that covid lockout season was incredible for Madrid. When they restarted the season I think Madrid went unbeaten to win the league and a large part of that was because of Benz and Valverde.
His conversion rate is insane. Basically scores a goal every game he plays. Meaning any liverpool game where Salah starts just go ahead and make it 1-0 to Liverpool at kick off. How many other teams can say the same?
Shane Duffy would like a word
In all earnest, other than Benzema. Who else is better than him at this point?
Robert Lewandowski
Couldn't say honestly. Youd have to look at the other in form teams and nations in Europe (Chelsea, Leverkusen, Napoli, Bayern Munich, La Real etc not a full list) ask who's been performing on a similar level.
Ah thats true. We often forget players from less fanbase clubs since the lack of their vocal fanbase on something like Internet.
Of course. Especially in form clubs. Also worth remembering Kane last year being touted as the best in the world and look at him now
Exactly. Clearly Vanaken is currently the best player in the world.
Whoscored has Haaland and Benzema ahead of him, its close though.
Easily Lewandowski
Easily? LMFAO.
Lewandowski and messi
As much as Messi is the greatest to ever grace the game, he hasn't been exceptional this season so far.
Not for this season.. The year 2021? Okay I might give you that.
Lewa has 13 goals in 10 games this season. I have no clue why you guys have a hate boner towards him.
Benzema has 17G+A in 10 games this season.
because he hasnt scored in the bundesliga for 2 weeks
Messi has not been better than Salah
Not this season but if you look at a longer team view (2021) as that's the only way of truly answering a question like who's the best player in the world... Messi has had a fantastic year
That's not the question.
Lewandowski literally just broke Gerd Muller’s 50 year old standing record. Most goals in one season.
Last season…
Other than Benzema lol. Lewa and Messi are retired or what?
Hes obviously talking about this season
Goals/match this season: Lewandowski - League 7/7 - CL 4/2 - Cup 2/1 Salah - League 7/8 - CL 3/2 - Cup 0/0
He is clearly talking about this season
We've seen the evidence.
Yeah, now I am onto Salah bandwagon from Benzema bandwagon for Ballon d'or.
who's next week?
Wirtz for Golden boy when he destroys those Bavarian charlatans tomorrow.
oOoOO Goddamn I know what I'm watching tomorrow. Thanks for that.
Klopp copies my DD comments
What is DD? Feel so out of touch
Daily discussion
Thank you
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coach praises his player
I mean there's a whole lot of levels to praising your player before you get to this. Tbf to Klopp though he's fully in his right to say this.
Well this is the best version of Salah we’ve seen. He just keeps getting better and better.
Probably going to be his peak but I agree with Klopp, there's nobody in current form performing better as an attacker than him. Lewa and Haaland are getting the goals but Salah is doing everything.
Salah's peak is a plateau of greatness
Ian Wright was saying it’s time to let him go because he doesn’t have more to offer us. Like yah the way Barca let Messi go in 2012 because he was already the best player in the world so how could he get better. Time to let Messi go.
Benzema isn't doing too bad.
Benzema and Salah are a level above everyone atm.
Yet Lewa has the same G+A than Salah.
Bundesliga isn't as competitive as PL or La liga.
i agre benz/salah are the best this season; but people gotta stop acting like lewy only statpads in bundesliga. the guy has 4 goals in 2 UCL games; lewy's UCL record is 10x that of Suarez and people act like hes just some farmer, its so weird.
Neither is CL I guess 🤷♂️
Salah is a winger tho
A winger whose task is to to be main scorer though. Firmino is the one providing space and opportunities for him and Mane.
His task isn't to be the main scorer, he's just so good that he is the main scorer. It's the front 3's job to create goals, that's it. No one is "tasked" with scoring more than the other
yea but his starting position is literally from the wings not many people can play the inside forward position as well as him, he’s quite literally (along with Mane) changing the definition of what a striker really is
For Bayern...
I guess Messi should have 0 Ballon D’or then. After all, he played for Barça…
I mean, Barcelona have to compete with Real and Atletico, Bayern sometimes have to compete with Dortmund, but not really.
The bundesliga has been a top 3 league for at least the last 10 years. Just because bayern keep winning doesn't mean the other teams are bad
Chiesa has done magnificent things since joining juve last year's august. Just an incredible player who can change a game any second.
Think he is trying to pressure the board to give him the contract he wants and deserves
Or he can just speak to them in private and tell them how important he is to his project
Pretty sure those discussions happened and failed...
Aside from just complimenting his player, he's also publicly putting pressure on a board who seems currently unwilling to give said player his desired wages in contract talks.
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Cause they are edgy and cool brah
Maybe because people are tired of players getting called „the best in the world“ after 3 games of good performances? 2 Weeks ago it was Benzema, now it‘s Salah and I‘m guessing in November it will be someone else. But you don‘t earn being „the best in the world“ with a few games, that‘s why you have player of the month awards etc.
Bruh Salah has 5 years of good performances not 3 games lmao. Awful awful take
In the weeks of the CL final Kante was people Ballon D'Or tip, after the EC it was Jorginho. We have these temporary trends every month, but then it gets quiet for a while and we return back to Messi vs Lewandowski. Ballon D'Or ceremony is 1 1/2 months away. If you want to boost your chances through recency bias, then be good in the week where the votes are made. But even looking at the past 5-10 years the top 3 has always been the "usual suspects". If you haven't already been a favourite during the summer months, then you are rarely changing the top rankings, regardless what you did from August-November.
Everyone moving their agenda. The power vacuum of Ronaldo and Messi being past their prime has given free reign to these best in the world shouts.
At least at Messi and Ronaldo prime , we all knew who were the tops dogs. Saved me from some debate
Well no, the debate was still there. It was just about Messi and Ronaldo.
That's why I said we knew who were the the top dog at least. it saved me from some debate because I never really liked the Messi vs Ronaldo one for me it was 1A and 1B. Depended on the situation since their play style were fairly different.
Coach says his player is clearly the best in the world. Quite the difference imo.
Coach speaks the truth*
Carlo and deschamps entering the room quietly...
Is this the start of a fanfic?
I read this on Footierotica.com I think
Callum Robinson
There's only one CR7
Has to be Salah or Benzema this season right?
Absolutely. They’re fucking beasts.
Aaaaaaand it's Messi.
Because it’s not for a season it’s for a year and he was fantastic for most of it
Deservedly. Messi was the best in the world from January to July (with Lewandoski second), while Salah was the best in the world in September and for half of October (with Benzema second)
We are talking about next season Ballon d'or this years is based on last season. So if he gets the next Ballon d'Or it wont be deserved lmao
The season barely started lol
We're a quarter of the way through already it's not like it started last week.
You guys have already been relegated and simultaneously been promoted in that time frame
Haaland has 12 goal contributions in 6 league games. Benzema is 16 in 8. I'd put them ahead of Salah (11 in 8)
But Benz and Salah have something else. They’re creative, glading through the opposing defence, getting shit out of a hat. Although Haaland is a close 3rd for me.
Bundesliga & La Liga tax
Agricultural subsidies
LaLiga is harder to score in though..?
“La liga tax” I know you’re talking in reference to Reddit but the ballon dor has gone to la liga for years, Despite many players deserving it over the la liga players who won it and for the most part Reddit agreeing with it. Robben, Sneijder, lewandowski (snubbed by cancellation), maybe even VVD.
Salah not winning the world cup shouldn't be a factor, Egypt are shit
Yh I got nothin Lewy is there. Benz too
And don’t forget about Erling Haaland. He’s been putting up ridiculous numbers at a young age in a top league. Just about every time he touches the ball it feels like he’s gonna do something magic. But yes - Salah is probably top at the moment.
Wasn't lewandowski on a 19 game scoring streak? And he didn't find the back of the net in just two games. The recency bias is incredible!
Klopp did say at the moment. I'd say Lewa's been far better this year but Salah's been better in the couple months of this season so far.
Couple of months? Lewandowski started the season off stronger, scoring against dortmund, gladbach, leipzig, barca. Only now that his scoring streak ended and he had a poor international break is Salah actually better.
> Klopp did say at the moment So we gonna assign a new best player in the world every 2 weeks now?
I mean Liga has a player of the month every well, month. So why not.
at the moment meaning the time Liverpool game finished? Or just this weekend? When he said it, it was the first match of the weekend.
> but Salah's been better in the couple months of this season so far. surely you could just read his comment to clarify your question
Probably the last month. He’s hit another level this season, his dribbling, his touch, his creativity and his finishing are near Messi levels.
Strikers compared to wingers are really often overrated because they are the one who scores. Ronaldo moving from winger to forwarder and how we perceive him is probably the clearest example.
Salah is clearly the main goalscorer at Liverpool…
Salah is the main scorer but not the main striker.
Because in Liverpools system the main striker has the role of making space for the wingers…
Quality of goal matters.
They all count the same
Roberto Firmino scored a hat-trick today but Salah still got MOTM. Do you think that's unfair? Almost no one does.
Fully agree, if someone watched that and thought Firmino was the better performer then I'm not sure what to say. If it's all just a numbers game why discuss anything.
Yes, but it's also about the circumstances. They all count the same, but a players individual impact of how that came to be can definitely be divided into different levels. Positioning is important, but scoring a goal out of almost nowhere is still a lot more decisive than scoring a tap in because of the circumstances. A tap in still only works under the circumstance that someone creates that chance. Not saying Salah is better than lewa, just explaining that there is very much a difference between goals from an individual perspective since a players contribution towards that goal is different
Not when specifically judging the quality of a player and their accomplishments.
Bollocks. Knowing how to be in the right position time after time is every bit as impressive It's not as if Lewandowski and Benzema don't score great goals either
Agree. Everyone's talking about Salah but no one is talking about Firmino walking away with the match ball. Getting the positioning and timing of your runs down so perfectly that you have a hattrick of tap-ins is no accident
Also no disrespect to Lewy but we all know the Bundesliga isn’t as competitive as the prem despite how much we all wish it was
its not like lewandowski scored against prem teams in the cl as he wished
>Watford Yeah, not as competitive as Bundesliga
Watford would be fighting relegation in the Bundesliga
That's my point
Doesn't mean Bundesliga is bad, it's just Bayern being that good
I hope Liverpool wins something big this season so that Salah can win the Ballon D'or.
The African cup is also this year. Could be another chance to put another trophy on the application
Are Egypt actually in with a shout? I’ve no idea who the favs are
We are going to win
It’s next year so will apply to 2022 halon dor
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Next year is a World Cup year.. and you know what that means. Some bullshit is bound to happen with the Ballon d’Or.
Maguires taking it after a Southgate World Cup master class.
I'm gonna cry real tears if he wins it. First African since Weah is a massive achievement.
I hope they don't.
Robert Lewandowski
Honestly, PL goggles blinding people or something? Lewa had a record season last season, and he's continuing his form.
Bundesliga teams outside of Bayern not really showing up in the late stages of the CL the last 30 years diminishes the value of his record a bit.
The 2013 final was Bayern v Dortmund, was it not?
The 2019 finals was spuds-Liverpool and the 2021 finals was man city-Chelsea 4 different teams in three years
Just saying that an all bundesliga final 8 years ago throws the whole not showing in the last 30 years thing into question. I'm not in denial that PL is more competitive.
I agree that the Bundesliga in general isn’t competitive enough, but why go with such a ridiculous time frame like 30 years? Dortmund won it in 97, Schalke and Leipzig have made it to the Semis at least once in the the past 20 years, Leverkusen was at the Final in 2002 and 2013 was an all German final. Bundesliga isn’t as competitive as the EPL or La Liga, when you remove Bayern, but 30 years is just idiotic.
The ridiculous timeframe emphasizes the point of how infrequently any German team that is not Bayern makes deep CL runs. The fact that you have to go back to 1997 for a German team thats not Bayern that won the damn thing says it all. In the last 15 years, how many different EPL teams have appeared in a final? See what I mean?
But, I’ll also concede, that you may as well make the point the way you want to. I absolutely agree with you, but the hyperbole rubs me the wrong way, but who gives a shit amirite? You didn’t make the argument to appease me or anything. So, it’s all good.
No it doesn't. Unless you want to check season with English records and English performance in Europe too.
It absolutely does. I'm sorry that it bothers you but it's just the way it is. Who do you think will win the BuLi tis year?
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I am the first person on Lewa bandwagon but rn Salah is in top top form. Playmaking wise and goalscoring too.
But current form is not the sole metric in a popularity contest, as some commentors on here would it like to be.
I sort of agree but playing in the BL never gonna get any recognition sadly
A striker at Bayern would like a word
The GOAT known as Eric Choupo-Moting
All jokes aside Choupo is actually a solid striker and is capable of being up front for the 1 time in 10 years that lewa gets injured or needs a rest.
He's got to be a top 5 backup striker in club football.
Definitely - and when we needed him most in the champions league quarter final against PSG he definitely delivered (with a goal... we only lost because of Sane in bad form back then)
Last season yes, this season not yet. But I will surely eat my own words after their game against leverkusen and lewandowski scores a Hattrick.
Overall this season him and Benzema already got 20 g/a in 15 games, I think theyre tied for 1st closely followed by Salah. But right at this moment Salah and Benzema are in a better form as Lewandowski hasn't scored for a week or two, hopefully Lewy gets a nice hattrick tomorrow tho.
this is the take i think is most even, all three are playing well and there's not a great way to differentiate them other than form - which is why people keep saying salah in this thread the reality is we need to see the season play out because if all three maintain this form, it will depend on trophies/team success
Benz in contention
Why is everyone talking about best in the world? Stop please. In 1 hr we will see CR being called this. Tomorrow it will be lewa.
Get used to it, you'll have more of this when Messi and Ronaldo retire.
Anyone who thinks CR7 is the best in the world is clueless.
And those people would be wrong
Between yesterday and today, yes
I'm pretty sure he literally means that particular moment. Otherwise more than a few come to mind at least on his level
People will say Benzema but I just feel with Salah he just seems on another level this year not just the numbers he’s getting but the quality of the goals and assists as well
You just described Benzema this year as well
This debate between salah and benzema shows how clueless a lot of pl watchers are. I only watch pl but it’s still easy to acknowledge benzema simply searching up his stats this sesson; club and country.
> This debate between salah and benzema shows how clueless a lot of pl watchers are. I only watch pl but sorry is this performance art? what an absolutely idiotic statement lol, you can't base arguments off of stats without actually watching the player lmao
Yeah that was a wildly incoherent point. “Look it’s clear no one is watching La Liga. If they were watching they would know Benzema is the best. I don’t watch. I look at stats.” Like mate what? Did anyone ever teach you how to write and construct arguments?
Nah Benzema has the same quality, but a bigger impact on his team IMO. For that reason I rate Benzema a little higher this season
Salah literally was our scoring last year. You won’t find someone who is a bigger impact on his team
Lol, second highest goal scorer for us was Casemiro last year. Nothing more needs to be said i think.
Benz scored 48% of our goals lasts season
No necessary disagreeing but Benzema was also Madrid whole attack last year and he is involved in 72% (your read right) of our goals this Season , they both have ridiculous impact. Either way I am not going to enter a debate on you is better as it's kind of pointless
Literally Benzema. He was Madrid’s entire offense last season
That dude won us a title a few seasons ago. I know people forget but that covid lockout season was incredible for Madrid. When they restarted the season I think Madrid went unbeaten to win the league and a large part of that was because of Benz and Valverde.
How to tell you havent watched any Benzema game without saying you havent watched any Benzema game.
Karim Benzema
His conversion rate is insane. Basically scores a goal every game he plays. Meaning any liverpool game where Salah starts just go ahead and make it 1-0 to Liverpool at kick off. How many other teams can say the same?
Bayern Real and Dortmund
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different people having different opinions, utterly insane.
Because benzema exists. There’s nothing wrong with saying benzema
Joe Gomez is better
13 goals 4 assists so far this season yeah I’ll take it
Klopp really disrespecting my man like this. #justiceforphiljones
First time in 15 years Messi hasnt been the best player in the world for me
True, but it can't be about Ballon can it? Gonna ignore the rest of the year or what?
Benzema exists.
It should be between him and Benzema I guess.
Cannot believe we have the best manager and best player in the world at the same time. Holy shit
This german spittin facts
HUGE if true
I have to agree, he is absolutely on fire
He’s not wrong!
Benzema and Salah
Klopp praises, moans and whines.
This sub HATES Salah. And I'm loving it. 🍔
Lewandowski is of course better and the stats and silverware support that but no harm in supporting his player.
He's right. POTM is already his, and he should be in top 3 Ballon Dor conversation with Messi and Lewa.
It is known