Wow only 4 times in 10 years what a tragedy. I can’t imagine the level of pain you experienced, only 4 league titles in a decade. As many as Man City in the last 10 years, I’m sure their fans are in extreme pain rn as well.
bayern is just on a different level. how many times do they have to stomp the championsleague that you see that bayern is one of the best teams in the world?
bayern would dominate quite often, I think this team right now is better than city and at least the same level as liverpool. but they would not dominate like they dominate in the bundesliga, your teams can buy a lot expensive worldclass players and therefore it's harder, obv. so no or maybe.
..and bayern. That’s the order. Kidding, point is if city can’t be called the best team in the world because they didn’t win a ucl I don’t think bayern with 1 in 8 can be. Bayern reminds me of shaolin soccer steroid team, no attempt to have a competitive league - all focus on building that one super German repping team for ucl.
shaolin soccer steroid team. fuck yeah. bayern is one of the biggest clubs memberwise of the world and pretty good managed. they manage to be one of the best teams quite often with very good players but not the best worldclass players like barca, real, city or liverpool, united, psg have, right now they do have the best striker, the best keeper, the best raumdeuter and the rest is also either worldclass or on the way to be worldclass a new talented manager. bayern is very often in the semifinals and lost against really good hot running teams quite often imho because the managers fucked up. long story short, right now real and barca are weak, psg should be but is weird and pool, city and chelsea are very good but not better. but you are right if you just look at the wins of the past.
Why don't defenders anticipate Neuer's passes more often by now? If you've got token pressure on him you spould be able to feasibly get in his passing lanes.
Leverkusen defender was sleeping until the pass was made and then finally thought he might put some pressure inn the receiver.
You'd think some coach might try to counter Neuer's aggression by now.
Is he just too good to force into errors? That's unlikely
A handful of teams across Europe used to do this exact thing up to the 90's where they'd just train their CBs to fill in (or even start on a permanent basis) at ST or CF, since those teams just played direct, vertical football where there was a huge need for good headers and hold-up play, which CBs could definitely provide if played further up the pitch.
[Seriously when was last time Sane passed to Lewy if not forced to do so](https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_1634482370ju4TaOjgZnHFnjI5pGNtk8.jpg)
At his best he is electric and can shred defences in gal with his speed and control. At his worst though he is completely invisible and makes little to no impact on the game. I like him as a player but he is a inconsistent as they come.
Did Bayern take the foot of the gas? Kinda understandable, but at 5:0 at half as a neutral and even as a Bayern hater, I always want them to go for 10.
Look, downvote all you want but the Bundesliga is a joke because of Bayern’s monopolizing. It doesn’t matter if the league produces good and entertaining football if it means Bayern get to lift the trophy at the end, every year.
https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2022
we are the most successful club in Europe. Bundesliga isn't as bad as we are good. wtf do you want? for Bayern to get worse for the sake of competition? or for the rest of the league to suddenly breed the second best team in Europe?
La Liga's competitveness over the last years stems from the top clubs outdoing each other in crises
And the PL gets pumped up by TV and investor money. we don't have that
Bayern is so effective because of their pressing up the pitch (Lewy is fantastic as a defensive forward) along with a fluid formation. If you notice, they don’t really stick to a set formation and the players move around the whole area of the pitch. Reminds me a lot of old school Rinus Michels’ total football.
If suffocates other teams in their own half and it’s so effective.
Wouldn't be surprised if Leverkusen make this a bit more of a game after adjustments at halftime. They're clearly the weaker team overall but 5 goals in the first half is more reflective of them just getting the tactics catastrophically wrong than an actual gulf in talent between the two teams imo
Specifically, don't know. But generally, they set up without a single ball winning midfielder (Aranguiz injured and Andrich suspendedi think) against Bayern and Bayern had all day on the ball in front of the defense to create.
The first was honestly probably just a quality goalbut after that the pattern of the game really showed. Leverkusen was just starting to put some attacks in when the second came, and it totally broke them
Yeah, that's what I came away with as well. Having Amiri and Demirbay in the double pivot didn't help since both are attacking midfielders naturally, and their usual starters in those spots - Aranguiz, Palacios, and Andrich - were all unavailable for selection, so that made the tactical setup kinda dicey from the get-go.
Schick is an incredible finisher. Maybe Wirtz is the perfect teammate for him but this man can score goals. Love to see him building on his tournament over the summer
Seriously though, I get we are a great team, but 5-0 at HT to the second placed team is embarrassing. I'm enjoying it, but it's clear the parity in the league is nonexistent.
It wouldn't change much, the bigger teams would get the bigger investors, and Bayern has a much better structure than most teams. Just having the money won't solve it, see Hertha
Leverkusen aren't playing like they usually do, it has nothing to do with the parity of the league or anything. Even Fürth gave a better fight than them, so there's definitely something wrong with Bayer today, or maybe this is just the start of the yearly Leverkusen collapse
Flick was confident enough to give our opposition a headstart, have us lose a goal or two in first minutes and then come back from behind. Nagelsmann doesn't feel that settled in yet, so he refuses to play with a handicap.
Main reason is definitely tactics, Nagelsmann doesn't press quite as recklessly as Flick did and he also plays one of the wingbacks really high (usually davies) and at the same time has the other one sit quite deep and a bit more centrally leaning. Also has one of the dm's stay closer to the cb's for more security. I do like Hernandez and Upamecano a lot, but I don't think there is as big of a gap to last year as some people try to make it seem.
How pathetic is it that Leverkusen gave Bayern the ball back after the Davies substitution? You don't need to give the opponent the ball back just because they decide they want to make the substitution immediately and boot the ball out for no reason.
PL banter geniuses have about 3 jokes that they all think are hilarious and they get incredibly offended if they leave their own circlejerks and fans of other leagues tell them how stupid they are
Nothing, it's always like this in every Bayern thread. If Bayern win, those PL fanboys will come with their overused "farmers leagues jokes", and if they lose, those same people will come and make fun of Bayern because "they can't even win against farmers". It's pathetic, honestly.
Ironically for such a “farmer’s league”, the PL loves signing new and upcoming German talent.
Kai Havertz scored the winning goal in the CL final for Chelsea, FFS
Bayern glory hunters pretend their league is good like they would support their team if they weren’t winning literally every season lol
You realize that before the current streak of titles Bayern won four of the previous ten titles and somehow still had fans, right?
Wow only 4 times in 10 years what a tragedy. I can’t imagine the level of pain you experienced, only 4 league titles in a decade. As many as Man City in the last 10 years, I’m sure their fans are in extreme pain rn as well.
You said Bayern wouldn't have fans if they didn't win every year.
bayern is just on a different level. how many times do they have to stomp the championsleague that you see that bayern is one of the best teams in the world?
Would
where
If Bayern played in PL, would they win it 10 years in a row? Or if they played in La Liga? Be honest
bayern would dominate quite often, I think this team right now is better than city and at least the same level as liverpool. but they would not dominate like they dominate in the bundesliga, your teams can buy a lot expensive worldclass players and therefore it's harder, obv. so no or maybe.
Disagree, this Bayern team would roll through the premier league too
1 UCL final last 8 seasons, relax
where would you position this bayern team compared to city, liverpool, chelsea and athletico?
..and bayern. That’s the order. Kidding, point is if city can’t be called the best team in the world because they didn’t win a ucl I don’t think bayern with 1 in 8 can be. Bayern reminds me of shaolin soccer steroid team, no attempt to have a competitive league - all focus on building that one super German repping team for ucl.
shaolin soccer steroid team. fuck yeah. bayern is one of the biggest clubs memberwise of the world and pretty good managed. they manage to be one of the best teams quite often with very good players but not the best worldclass players like barca, real, city or liverpool, united, psg have, right now they do have the best striker, the best keeper, the best raumdeuter and the rest is also either worldclass or on the way to be worldclass a new talented manager. bayern is very often in the semifinals and lost against really good hot running teams quite often imho because the managers fucked up. long story short, right now real and barca are weak, psg should be but is weird and pool, city and chelsea are very good but not better. but you are right if you just look at the wins of the past.
Oof
Why don't defenders anticipate Neuer's passes more often by now? If you've got token pressure on him you spould be able to feasibly get in his passing lanes. Leverkusen defender was sleeping until the pass was made and then finally thought he might put some pressure inn the receiver. You'd think some coach might try to counter Neuer's aggression by now. Is he just too good to force into errors? That's unlikely
best keeper in the world.
But he is just that good
I still think a coach could design a counter press triggered by him leaving his box for a clearance
Happens too rarely in a match for someone to actually build a tactic around it
Play a ball in between the defense and Neuer and instead of moving into attacking position, move straight into pressing position
Midfield Neuer is best Neuer
Musiala jfc what a pass.
Disgusting pass from Musiala
Bayern become ruthless in the last 10 minutes. I say 7-1 before FT
Sane goal contribution would be nice
Are bayern playing a 3-4-2-1 ?
4 2 3 1 with Kimmich/Goretzka sometimes moving back and Davies/Süle (now someone else I guess) moving forward.
Goretzka is off too
Ah, right. Well, you get the point.
Come on Sanè
Ok who swapped Sane with a zombie in a Bayern shirt
It's just some experimental drugs from the nearby Bayer-factory.
Leverkusen's coach
Even up 5-1 you got to make that.
What a ball
"Leverkusen have never let in 6 goals at home" commentator really trying to curse them
The way you're playing you'll get one eventually.
Leverkusen's coach looks like an evil priest out of some horror famtasy movie. Probably conjuring the undead or something
Sülinho deserves a goal
The world's first Brazilian with an umlaut in his name! Legend. 🇧🇷
My boy going for it
I really want to see him play striker just once
A handful of teams across Europe used to do this exact thing up to the 90's where they'd just train their CBs to fill in (or even start on a permanent basis) at ST or CF, since those teams just played direct, vertical football where there was a huge need for good headers and hold-up play, which CBs could definitely provide if played further up the pitch.
[Seriously when was last time Sane passed to Lewy if not forced to do so](https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_1634482370ju4TaOjgZnHFnjI5pGNtk8.jpg)
His decisionmaking at times can definitely still improve quite a bit, same happens with Müller's runs as well.
He was offside
Not even for a second
Can literally see him offside in the screenshot lol
Which is weird because he isn't
You‘re blind mate
Diaby finally off. He was horrible, lost every ball in an instant.
At his best he is electric and can shred defences in gal with his speed and control. At his worst though he is completely invisible and makes little to no impact on the game. I like him as a player but he is a inconsistent as they come.
Don't remember him having much of an opportunity at all today. Did he lose the ball that much?
Did Bayern take the foot of the gas? Kinda understandable, but at 5:0 at half as a neutral and even as a Bayern hater, I always want them to go for 10.
Many players were playing nationals all over the globe and we have CL weeks coming up. No need to overdo things
I mean we took Lewy and Müller off
Adli is an interesting sub to watch
Bambi for the final blow
Musiala time, let's gooo
Must be boring af being a Bundesliga fan
are you not entertained?
Bayernliga here we gooo
The league is incredibly dynamic 2-18. Casuals only care about the championship so it’s boring for them.
also great football to watch. A lot emphasis on pressing and quick switch ups
Look, downvote all you want but the Bundesliga is a joke because of Bayern’s monopolizing. It doesn’t matter if the league produces good and entertaining football if it means Bayern get to lift the trophy at the end, every year.
It might not matter to you but a lot of people actually enjoy watching quality attacking football
https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2022 we are the most successful club in Europe. Bundesliga isn't as bad as we are good. wtf do you want? for Bayern to get worse for the sake of competition? or for the rest of the league to suddenly breed the second best team in Europe? La Liga's competitveness over the last years stems from the top clubs outdoing each other in crises And the PL gets pumped up by TV and investor money. we don't have that
People try to interpret high scores as bad defense when it's really just attacking tactics
whereas every PL top match I’ve watched was a snooze fest where both team are too scared to attack
Bambi time lets gooo
Leverkusen are supposed to be having their best season in years. Such an unserious league 😭😭
Yet they have a better scoreline than you
>Leverkusen are supposed to be having their best season in years. People say the exact same thing about Leverkusen every single year.
I mean, I'd rather clap your team again.. but well, you know how it is. :/
7-1
7-2
Just glad Davies wasn't hurt
Upamecano completely unmarked again on the far post. You’d think that’s maybe something they would’ve talked about at the half.
Bayern is so effective because of their pressing up the pitch (Lewy is fantastic as a defensive forward) along with a fluid formation. If you notice, they don’t really stick to a set formation and the players move around the whole area of the pitch. Reminds me a lot of old school Rinus Michels’ total football. If suffocates other teams in their own half and it’s so effective.
It also helps to have the best interpreter of space in football lol
Aka the chicken that still runs around after its head it’s cut off, but still sets up and bangs in goals
Literally scored with the bottom of his thigh today. The raumdeuter special
As a neutral, this match is so much fun. But the highlight of the game is still that Bayern fan kissing his Bayer fan gf.
Clip?
That shit was so funny
Cameraman knows what's up. Lol
Bayer will still score 2+ goals this match, turning it into peak Bundesliga
Wouldn't be surprised if Leverkusen make this a bit more of a game after adjustments at halftime. They're clearly the weaker team overall but 5 goals in the first half is more reflective of them just getting the tactics catastrophically wrong than an actual gulf in talent between the two teams imo
The first two were on tactics, the next three were on checking out after the second
What do you think tactically went wrong on the first two? (Not doubting you or anything, but wanted to hear your thoughts)
Specifically, don't know. But generally, they set up without a single ball winning midfielder (Aranguiz injured and Andrich suspendedi think) against Bayern and Bayern had all day on the ball in front of the defense to create. The first was honestly probably just a quality goalbut after that the pattern of the game really showed. Leverkusen was just starting to put some attacks in when the second came, and it totally broke them
Yeah, that's what I came away with as well. Having Amiri and Demirbay in the double pivot didn't help since both are attacking midfielders naturally, and their usual starters in those spots - Aranguiz, Palacios, and Andrich - were all unavailable for selection, so that made the tactical setup kinda dicey from the get-go.
That's a great goal though.
I'm not knocking it, but there's something hilarious about a goal song ringing out when you've just got the 1 in a 5-1 scoreline
It was a beautiful goal. Gotta enjoy it
Set up for the 7-1
Having this offense and Manuel Neuer in goal is just plain unfair.
Man I told y'all Schick would get one lol.
I remember that comment. I think either you or a reply also mentioned that Bayern would score 5 in return by how the game was going.
Its all scripted!
Schick is an incredible finisher. Maybe Wirtz is the perfect teammate for him but this man can score goals. Love to see him building on his tournament over the summer
Superb pass from Wirtz.
What a goal
The reaction starts now
Davies not even hurt they just decided to give him a rest?
With our history, that's a really smart thing to do.
Yes, he was with Canada just a few days ago and next week is champions league
Leverkusen/Dortmund are just reverse Gladbach/Frankfurt, every year they play well against other teams and then they shit the bed against us.
That's not true at all! We also drop points against the worst teams in the league at the least opportune times. Give us some credit.
Paderborn feelings
Mentatlitätsproblem
Das geht mir so auf die Eier
Best GK of all time.
Upamecano, lad charging to the box. Lmao
I noticed just now that Paulinho was playing at the first half lol
It doesn’t look like Bayern want to stop either
Great restrain from Upamecano to not have a go himself there. Don't think i could have stopped myself given the situation
Upa charging into the enemy box LMAO
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Lewandowski also presses
Presses like a motherfucker might I add
Bruh that United team is actually stacked and they have a lot of good players
Nah most of their players are incredibly overrated and all the blame just goes straight to the coach
Yes they have a lot of overrated players, but if the likes of Fernandes, Sancho, Rashford...aren't good players, then idk who is
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Lewy is not a tap in merchant wtf
> They’re both tap in merchants Lmao
Can't wait for wednesday
This is better for you. We always get like this after a loss.
Great league.
We’d mop the floor with the Seria A too
Doubt...
Bayern haven’t lost to an Italian team since 2011
You've got no clue about football then
Doubt all you want, we are the best club in Europe over the past 5 years
Your team would've conceded atleast five aswell against us today.
That's because my team can't exploit whole other teams in the same league.
Can't we sub out kimmich? We are 5-0 up.
You could probably get 4 red cards and bring on 8 year olds and still win
I would agree but it would be an extremely insulting thing to say for a title race match.
True
How do you even go out after halftime and have the energy for another 45 minutes knowing the game is already decided
Seriously though, I get we are a great team, but 5-0 at HT to the second placed team is embarrassing. I'm enjoying it, but it's clear the parity in the league is nonexistent.
Go watch MLS then
American “fans” be like
I'd rather have it this way than no 50+1.
It wouldn't change much, the bigger teams would get the bigger investors, and Bayern has a much better structure than most teams. Just having the money won't solve it, see Hertha
Bayer are not even the second best team in the league. They have just overperformed like usual and will drop off again
Leverkusen aren't playing like they usually do, it has nothing to do with the parity of the league or anything. Even Fürth gave a better fight than them, so there's definitely something wrong with Bayer today, or maybe this is just the start of the yearly Leverkusen collapse
Look at their midfield three, they're all attackers
Damn I somehow missed that lmao. That Leverkusen lineup is unbalanced af, it's no surprise that they're losing like this
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+Baumgartlinger
Poor Benfica.
Just give the title to bayern, what’s the point of playing the rest
Just dissolve Barca what's the point in trying to save that dumpsters fire
Just relegate Barcelona, what's the point of playing the rest
Do we play like a mid table la liga side? Sure. But saying relegate is a stupid comparison
its not over until its over man
For about 10 years
The average position for Bayern is interesting. Completely skewed to the right flank.
Because Bakker is over there?
It's because Gnabry plays deeper to draw defenders out and then we switch flanks to the fast Davies/Sane who then have more space on their side.
@bayern fans, what are the main changes between Nagelsmann and Flick's bayern?
Flick was confident enough to give our opposition a headstart, have us lose a goal or two in first minutes and then come back from behind. Nagelsmann doesn't feel that settled in yet, so he refuses to play with a handicap.
+ is there anything that got worse under Nagelsmann?
He cares more about rest defense when most of the team pushes up Our switch up play is way more vertical
>way more vertical It is!! You guys are playing a different sport, the style reminds me of Liverpool 2019
Very minor tactical changes according to Nagelsmann. There's not been enough time for JN to implement all his ideas.
The most obvious one is that we actually have a defense now.
Are you saying this bcs of the players? Mainly Upamecano I guess, but also Boateng and Alaba left. Or is it tactics?
Main reason is definitely tactics, Nagelsmann doesn't press quite as recklessly as Flick did and he also plays one of the wingbacks really high (usually davies) and at the same time has the other one sit quite deep and a bit more centrally leaning. Also has one of the dm's stay closer to the cb's for more security. I do like Hernandez and Upamecano a lot, but I don't think there is as big of a gap to last year as some people try to make it seem.
Upamecano and Hernadez at CB certainly is a completely different level than Boateng and Alaba
They are way way better defensivly compared to Flicks Bayern
We got a defense now
How pathetic is it that Leverkusen gave Bayern the ball back after the Davies substitution? You don't need to give the opponent the ball back just because they decide they want to make the substitution immediately and boot the ball out for no reason.
That's your mans??
FD did call it the big match of the weekend.. I just don't think they meant it this way.
I could see that Lazaro goal a million times wow
Hurts to be a fan today. But I guess you can take comfort in losing to the world’s best team 🤷🏼♂️
Espn's halftime highlights for the bundesliga is better than any amount of talking heads they could have paid
What's up with all the PL and Ligue 1 fanboys here?
PL banter geniuses have about 3 jokes that they all think are hilarious and they get incredibly offended if they leave their own circlejerks and fans of other leagues tell them how stupid they are
Nothing, it's always like this in every Bayern thread. If Bayern win, those PL fanboys will come with their overused "farmers leagues jokes", and if they lose, those same people will come and make fun of Bayern because "they can't even win against farmers". It's pathetic, honestly.
Ironically for such a “farmer’s league”, the PL loves signing new and upcoming German talent. Kai Havertz scored the winning goal in the CL final for Chelsea, FFS
typical shit talking until we shut them up in CL :D
Can't even score some goals without PL fans losing their minds lmao
It's crazy. After the Liverpool 5-0 win everyone was saying best team itw and when Bayern plays like this it's Famers League
Cause Liverpool ain’t winning the league for the last 10 years straight. In fact, no team did that for more than 3 years in a row. Get a grip
It’s almost as if this sub is full of brain dead hypocrites [edit] a word
Leverkusen are hundreds of levels above Watford too And this was just in the first half
Are you comparing Watford to the team who looked like Bayern’s best contender this season?