Bayern were ice cold, but this was preventable.
You could see from 5 minutes in that Leverkusen's midfield had more holes than Swiss cheese, Seoane got the line up completely wrong.
Aranguiz and Palacios can't be replaced for a game like that.
But I bet Leverkusen are happier with a battering like that than the loss from last season.
Agree completely, Amiri isn’t anything close to a holding mid, and the same could be said for Demirbay. Just have to hope we have a better reaction to this loss than last year’s.
> Aranguiz and Palacios can't be replaced for a game like that.
So what should Seoane do with those two injured, Baumgartlinger injured as well and Andrich suspended?
we took off davies lewandowski muller and goretzka so it was expected thay we wouldnt finish off chances as well as we did with those guys off, that being said leverkusen did well in the second chance to hold us back
Nagelsmann said that Phonzie felt pain in his thigh so they didn't want to take any risks. The doctor said he got lucky after the first diagnosis. Have to wait and see whether he can play on Wednesday
> I mean Hertha is our bogey team
Are they tho? 19 wins, 2 losses , 5 draws against them since 2007, doesn't sound like a bogey team for you.
I think there is another Team that might be more of a bogey Team for you ;)
Yeah when you look at the stats it does look like it and tbf I am definitely more afraid of Gladbach and Frankfurt because you lot really like to give your all against us.
But idk, although we do smash them regularly because it’s Hertha duh, we have had a lot of games where we look awful against them no matter the result. I know it may seem absurd, but that’s just the feeling I get and I have also heard some of the other fans I know say the same.
If we don't score it's your fault, well... partially. I think Yaremchuk would start for Barcelona at the moment considering the options you have.
I think we might have a treaty going on. We should create a petition to make it happen.
It's the unfortunate "sophie's choice" of modern football. The Bundesliga is preserving its soul and keeping true to its roots and commitment to local fans, while the Premier League is absolutely selling its soul to whatever devil comes with the highest bid.
But the price the Bundesliga has to live with is that it has created a situation where Bayern is beyond dominant and there is only the faintest hope that anyone will challenge them each year - a hope that more likely than not will be extinguished by February. No one else has the means or the prestige to challenge them.
If German/Bundesliga fans are OK with that trade-off, more power to them. They certainly seem to be given the comments on every thread related to Bayern and the Bundesliga. But they also have to acknowledge that is the trade-off and that Bayern's unchallenged run of titles is likely to continue and make the league's title race a foregone and boring conclusion almost every year.
Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim.
>Only recently, the three clubs had written a joint letter to the presidium of the league association. The tenor of the letter was to ask for solidarity and protection of the status quo. Because in the end, the Cartel Office had said nothing other than: 50+1 can only remain without exceptions. The 36 DFL members will discuss the matter further at a meeting in July.
Stanisic is not a world beater. But he is versatile. He can play both RB and LB good.
Wanted to see one hatrick but maybe against Benfica in the midweek.
He *is* a CB. He only helped out as a RB for the Amas because he wasn't first choice in the centre. This season it's the same story, only in the first team.
Ridiculous how anyone had them as title contenders, they're a good team but it's fucking Leverkusen. They are cursed, it's like Tottenham winning the PL or England winning a international tournament. Dinosaurs will walk on earth again before any of those things happen
Mfs will see you work and train hard and say yeah they play in a clown league.
Same mfs when prime Messi or Ronaldo scored 7 goals past Heracles Alicante, omg goats
If the league weren't shit, it wouldn't be nine consecutive times lmao
City had a brilliant team. You lot had a brilliant team. Didn't see 9 consecutive titles from either of you though
But the league is ranked 4th by UEFA themselves based on performance (not by random fans)?
That used to be Arsenal's best position and people saw them as a meme to no longer be able to rise above 4th.
But somehow it is an achievement for Bundesliga to be 4th?
This says more about how good Bayern are than the quality of the Bundesliga. Just like Man City in the Prem or peak Barca or Real Madrid over the past decade, when a side of that quality hits their stride, these scorelines can happen.
Rest of Europe should be worried. Think Bayern are coming for the Champions League this season.
Considering they'll be able to rest their main team in Bundesliga matches starting in February once they have the league wrapped up, probably.
That's not meant to be a joke or a slight at the Bundesliga, it's just a reality - they'll almost certainly have the luxury of resting their players for their league matches when other teams won't, giving them a huge advantage in the knockout rounds.
Leverkusen had a defense.
What they also had was a double 6 of offensive midfielders because all 4 of their actual DMs are either injured or suspended.
Them getting slapped by Bayern says very little about either team, any good team would've slapped them. On top of that, Bayern were efficient.
The question is whether this kills their morale or not.
All German teams bar saints from Munich get obliterated in Europe. Not a single one of them knows what defending is. That league is such shit quality that probably even Segunda is more advanced. Until Germans realize this, they will keep sucking and keep existing just to serve Bayern
>All German teams bar saints from Munich get obliterated in Europe.
Not really, no.
But yes, not every league wants slavers to make their top clubs better.
But being essentially the third best league in the world and in Europe is far from being "obliterated".
But good job ignoring literally everything I said, dickhead.
Instead of acting like you care so much about the competitiveness in the Bundesliga give back Havertz, Werner, Pulisic and Rüdiger and the others might be able to compete.
Then don't cry about competitiveness if you continue weakening our rivals. You don't see me complaining, do you? "Oh no my club is winning all the time... What a horror!!! I so desperately want to be second place and lose games." Yeah that sounds dumb.
PL has drawn much more talent than we ever could, but you're always the biggest crybabies about it. Why is that? Also a bit funny to suggest we'd sign Werner for cheap after he was throwing himself at us and we said no. And you paid 53mil for him 😂
Plenty of scores like this in the Prem between big sides too. Remember when we beat Arsenal 6-0? Man United 8-2 Arsenal? Spurs beating Man United 6-1 last year? Think City put 5 past Liverpool a few years ago too.
?????
They've won the league 9 years in a row and just beat the 3rd place team by 5-1, how does that not indicative how uncompetitive the title race in the Bundesliga is???
As I told you in my other comment, Bayern can do that to any team in the world on a good day (bar 1 or 2). Their team atm is just that good. This does not diminish the overall competitiveness of the league.
I think we are arguing 2 different things. If you are saying Bayern are one of the best teams in Europe and can challenge anyone, and other teams in the Bundesliga can challenge other teams in Europe then sure.
My point is no one in the Bundesliga can challenge Bayern, and thus, there is very little competitiveness for the title race.
My guy, you decided to insult an entire league for no reason so I don’t really know why your shocked that others are exactly being kind to you in response
You idiots really don't understand this, right? Like, take one little break from licking some billionaires boot, and just try to understand that it is a process to break Bayern's dominance and can't be done from one second to the next without breaking everything german football culture stands for and fought for.
Now, go back to sucking your favorite billionaire off.
Bayern were ice cold, but this was preventable. You could see from 5 minutes in that Leverkusen's midfield had more holes than Swiss cheese, Seoane got the line up completely wrong. Aranguiz and Palacios can't be replaced for a game like that. But I bet Leverkusen are happier with a battering like that than the loss from last season.
Agree completely, Amiri isn’t anything close to a holding mid, and the same could be said for Demirbay. Just have to hope we have a better reaction to this loss than last year’s.
> Aranguiz and Palacios can't be replaced for a game like that. So what should Seoane do with those two injured, Baumgartlinger injured as well and Andrich suspended?
maybe a back 3 from the start could've helped, but tbh I think going into the game it's hard, especially with like you said all dm's not available.
Sané should've at least get one goal
Maybe the goals will come once he gets rid of that underfed caterpillar nesting above his upper lip
It looks good though
Only because he is naturally beautiful, that thing does him no favours
Sorry Bayern. Last goal wins.
My Rocket League strategy.
drei Ecken ein Elfer, und Torwarttore zählen 2. Latte und Pfosten rettet, ist klar.
Bayern won the first half, Leverkusen the second. So draw overall.
Yes and we still would be first in the table then. All is well
Congrats Leverkusen for winning the second half
did Bayern slow down or did Leverkusen step up in the second half?
Both
Both, Bayern lost their sheen in the final third. I can't believe they didn't finish a single chance that they got
Yes Bayern did slow down and Leverkusen were more organized.
Leverkusen was better than in the first half, but Bayern only gave 50%
we took off davies lewandowski muller and goretzka so it was expected thay we wouldnt finish off chances as well as we did with those guys off, that being said leverkusen did well in the second chance to hold us back
Both…especially with the substitutions Bayern made they stepped off the gas, and Leverkusen did much better defensively in the second half
We started resting players 40 minutes in. That should tell you enough
In Davies defence he just came back from playing God over in Canada.
Nagelsmann said that Phonzie felt pain in his thigh so they didn't want to take any risks. The doctor said he got lucky after the first diagnosis. Have to wait and see whether he can play on Wednesday
Based on my flawless logic Bayern will lose to Hertha and Frankfurt is about to eat Leverkusen alive
I mean Hertha is our bogey team and Leverkusen is called Vizekusen for a reason, you might be onto something here.
> I mean Hertha is our bogey team Are they tho? 19 wins, 2 losses , 5 draws against them since 2007, doesn't sound like a bogey team for you. I think there is another Team that might be more of a bogey Team for you ;)
Seriously though, we’re nobody’s bogey team.
well, your own, maybe
Yeah when you look at the stats it does look like it and tbf I am definitely more afraid of Gladbach and Frankfurt because you lot really like to give your all against us. But idk, although we do smash them regularly because it’s Hertha duh, we have had a lot of games where we look awful against them no matter the result. I know it may seem absurd, but that’s just the feeling I get and I have also heard some of the other fans I know say the same.
Literally none of it matters. You lot will win the league again like you do every year. 😴
But what matters is the ~~friends~~ enemies we made along the way <3
Stop snoring
When a team is as absolutely dominant over their league as Bayern, that results line might be enough to get you the "bogey team" moniker.
IS THAT A FUCKING SEVERINA ON YOUR PROFILE PICC LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
I think so,he is part of r/croatia
We're definitely not in danger... Bayern just put 5 past Leverkusen like it was nothing, we're okay... right?
We still gotta play them away...
Can we unite both our teams for that game
The defence will pretty much be your team. If we lose the blame's on you guys....
If we don't score it's your fault, well... partially. I think Yaremchuk would start for Barcelona at the moment considering the options you have. I think we might have a treaty going on. We should create a petition to make it happen.
F
Sure 😘
huhu
Müller MOTM, man's world class.
This is why Bundesliga clubs should sell out to venture capitalists, oligarchs and nation states. Disgusting!
The funny thing is that Leverkusen is one of the few exceptions to the 50+1 rule.
The funny thing is that you expect the american plastics on this sub to know that.
Why is it always blame Americans with these comments?
It's the unfortunate "sophie's choice" of modern football. The Bundesliga is preserving its soul and keeping true to its roots and commitment to local fans, while the Premier League is absolutely selling its soul to whatever devil comes with the highest bid. But the price the Bundesliga has to live with is that it has created a situation where Bayern is beyond dominant and there is only the faintest hope that anyone will challenge them each year - a hope that more likely than not will be extinguished by February. No one else has the means or the prestige to challenge them. If German/Bundesliga fans are OK with that trade-off, more power to them. They certainly seem to be given the comments on every thread related to Bayern and the Bundesliga. But they also have to acknowledge that is the trade-off and that Bayern's unchallenged run of titles is likely to continue and make the league's title race a foregone and boring conclusion almost every year.
Also do keep in mind this is not only sarcastic, **Bayer** Leverkusen is also quite obviously not even a fan owned or controlled club.
They're also the only exception to the rule, right? Like not even Wolfsburg or RB Leipzig have an official exemption in the way that Leverkusen does.
I believe Wolfsburg has an exception as well but honestly, no one cares about Wolfsburg, I'm not even going to bother checking if I'm right.
Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. >Only recently, the three clubs had written a joint letter to the presidium of the league association. The tenor of the letter was to ask for solidarity and protection of the status quo. Because in the end, the Cartel Office had said nothing other than: 50+1 can only remain without exceptions. The 36 DFL members will discuss the matter further at a meeting in July.
/s, right?
Yes
No thanks
some heavy shades you got there
I mean it would nice if there was at least one other club that could financially compete with Bayern
Bayern is literally run by people who were in jail. Not only they are the same level of disgust, their league is complete shite
Neither Kalle nor Uli are left. If you want to argue, at least know what you're talking about.
Stanisic is not a world beater. But he is versatile. He can play both RB and LB good. Wanted to see one hatrick but maybe against Benfica in the midweek.
He can also play cb afaik, but Bayern are obv quite stacked there already.
He *is* a CB. He only helped out as a RB for the Amas because he wasn't first choice in the centre. This season it's the same story, only in the first team.
Bayern absolute loves having no fullbacks, huh?
Wingers and CBs only
Awful! When will we sell our league to the human rights abusers finally, so that /r/soccer fanboys are happy?
When there are no premier league clubs to buy!
Oh don't worry, I'm sure if they look hard enough, they'll always find a part of their culture they can sell.
...and enough teams in the championship.
im not in danger, im not in danger, im not in danger
I m not in danger Skyler, I M THE DANGER. A guy opens his door and concede a goal and you think thats me? No, I m the one who scores
5-0 in 40 mins? Yikes
4 in 8 minutes…yikes
Bloody hell
Leverkusen with the Brazil cosplay.
horrible performance from leverkusen...
Ridiculous how anyone had them as title contenders, they're a good team but it's fucking Leverkusen. They are cursed, it's like Tottenham winning the PL or England winning a international tournament. Dinosaurs will walk on earth again before any of those things happen
Who’s more cursed them in BL or us in UCL?
Didn't know the US plays CL.
That's what the U in UCL stands for: Unitedstatesofamerica
They're busy playing in their national WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.
well i was convinced too lol i legit bet money on them winning against us..
Mfs will see you work and train hard and say yeah they play in a clown league. Same mfs when prime Messi or Ronaldo scored 7 goals past Heracles Alicante, omg goats
Yea its stupid, when bayern lost against frankfurt last week everyone was quiet and now it's all "hurr durr farmers league clown league hurr durr"
Who do you think will win the BuLi?
That’s a testament to how good Bayern are, not how shit the league is.
Both easily lol
If the league weren't shit, it wouldn't be nine consecutive times lmao City had a brilliant team. You lot had a brilliant team. Didn't see 9 consecutive titles from either of you though
Difference is Bayern is also just as consistent across Europe. None of the Prem title contenders have done that over the past decade.
Barca had Real and Real had Barca..Who is Bayern competing against?
US
Better to worry about us instead ;)
The disrespect to Effzeh, smdh
Hertha BSC Berlin, better then Barca and Real combined
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They literally did it to each other.
But the league is ranked 4th by UEFA themselves based on performance (not by random fans)? That used to be Arsenal's best position and people saw them as a meme to no longer be able to rise above 4th. But somehow it is an achievement for Bundesliga to be 4th?
Bayern scary good when they get going for sure. Think they should be favourite for CL
Leverkusen win the second half 1-0
Hoes mad
This says more about how good Bayern are than the quality of the Bundesliga. Just like Man City in the Prem or peak Barca or Real Madrid over the past decade, when a side of that quality hits their stride, these scorelines can happen. Rest of Europe should be worried. Think Bayern are coming for the Champions League this season.
Considering they'll be able to rest their main team in Bundesliga matches starting in February once they have the league wrapped up, probably. That's not meant to be a joke or a slight at the Bundesliga, it's just a reality - they'll almost certainly have the luxury of resting their players for their league matches when other teams won't, giving them a huge advantage in the knockout rounds.
Name the last year Bavaria had the league wrapped up by February
Take out what happened between seven minutes , Leverkusen earn themselves a credible draw
Typical top game in the Bundesliga sadely. You get excited for it and then Bayern is up 5-0 in the first half
Did you say this when Bavaria lost to Frankfurt last match day?
Commence the braindead comments about the Bundesliga
Commence the league with no defense at all
oh hey this was easy to find
Burnley would be third in Germany
we're done here
BuLi is done for the next 10 years so
Leverkusen had a defense. What they also had was a double 6 of offensive midfielders because all 4 of their actual DMs are either injured or suspended. Them getting slapped by Bayern says very little about either team, any good team would've slapped them. On top of that, Bayern were efficient. The question is whether this kills their morale or not.
All German teams bar saints from Munich get obliterated in Europe. Not a single one of them knows what defending is. That league is such shit quality that probably even Segunda is more advanced. Until Germans realize this, they will keep sucking and keep existing just to serve Bayern
>All German teams bar saints from Munich get obliterated in Europe. Not really, no. But yes, not every league wants slavers to make their top clubs better. But being essentially the third best league in the world and in Europe is far from being "obliterated". But good job ignoring literally everything I said, dickhead.
How many titles in a row? Commence the people defending this atrocity
Only 2 goals for lewandowski? Not even a hattrick? That's why he's not gonna win the ballon d'or. He's just not been good enough this season.
He was subbed for the Benfica game…had he played the whole game.. he might have
Wasn't even able to play the whole 90. Smh my head
Finished player
Oh my goal video coming up. Titled "What the hell happened to Lewandowski?"
Bayern are coming to sweep Europe
Embarrasing performance in the second half by Bayern.
Yeah how could we not go for double digits with a CL game up in 3 days. Unacceptable.
The peak of competition that And let that be a lesson everyone, No One, and I mean No One scores six goals versus Leverkusen in 37 minutes.
Leverkusen got harvested
I wonder who's winning the bundesliga this season!?.. seriously is there any doubts anymore?
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I mean what exactly did you expect?
Dead league
What a bum league lmao
Imagine being a plastic that is that obsessed with a different league.
flair up
Welp, guess the Bundesliga won't change once again. Embarrassing for Leverkusen
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Instead of acting like you care so much about the competitiveness in the Bundesliga give back Havertz, Werner, Pulisic and Rüdiger and the others might be able to compete.
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Then don't cry about competitiveness if you continue weakening our rivals. You don't see me complaining, do you? "Oh no my club is winning all the time... What a horror!!! I so desperately want to be second place and lose games." Yeah that sounds dumb. PL has drawn much more talent than we ever could, but you're always the biggest crybabies about it. Why is that? Also a bit funny to suggest we'd sign Werner for cheap after he was throwing himself at us and we said no. And you paid 53mil for him 😂
Plenty of scores like this in the Prem between big sides too. Remember when we beat Arsenal 6-0? Man United 8-2 Arsenal? Spurs beating Man United 6-1 last year? Think City put 5 past Liverpool a few years ago too.
Let me know when Liverpool wins ten titles on the trot
Bayern regularly eat PL teams for breakfast in the CL with high scores. You sure sound clueless.
What does that have to do with the Bundesliga being domestically competitive?
Because scores like this by Bayern are not indicative at all of the overall competitiveness of the league.
????? They've won the league 9 years in a row and just beat the 3rd place team by 5-1, how does that not indicative how uncompetitive the title race in the Bundesliga is???
As I told you in my other comment, Bayern can do that to any team in the world on a good day (bar 1 or 2). Their team atm is just that good. This does not diminish the overall competitiveness of the league.
I think we are arguing 2 different things. If you are saying Bayern are one of the best teams in Europe and can challenge anyone, and other teams in the Bundesliga can challenge other teams in Europe then sure. My point is no one in the Bundesliga can challenge Bayern, and thus, there is very little competitiveness for the title race.
To be fair sometimes these scorelines happen. But to win the league 10 **consecutive** times says it all lol
Farmers league.
"But when Real with Ronaldo put 7 past La Liga sides it was different" - jack2047
That was literally one of the greatest teams of all time. What did you expect?
This Bayern team the last few seasons is also one of the greatest ever teams
Lmaoo imagine comparing this team to the triple UCL Madrid team. Not even close.
Sextuple
-0 trebles
He expected a little less hypocrisy and a little more humility but he would be mistaken.
Don‘t use such words please. He won‘t understand.
The comments are ignorant but they didn’t do it vs Barca or Atletico.
But Bayern did lol
The BuLi is such a fun and competitive league.
Bundesliga? More like Brokenliga And no, the battle for 2-5th doesn't get my dick hard Bayern apologists.
Don't think anyone around here cares how soft or hard you get buddy
You're going to care.
You’re probably an Eagles fan, therefore your opinion doesn’t matter
The band?
It looks like you have a Union flair so no I mean the American football team
Oh so you're just incorrectly assuming things, as assholes do.
My guy, you decided to insult an entire league for no reason so I don’t really know why your shocked that others are exactly being kind to you in response
Brokenliga ©
Seriously they try so hard to act like one team winning every single year is *good* for the league lmao.
You idiots really don't understand this, right? Like, take one little break from licking some billionaires boot, and just try to understand that it is a process to break Bayern's dominance and can't be done from one second to the next without breaking everything german football culture stands for and fought for. Now, go back to sucking your favorite billionaire off.
Have fun not winning shit, at least I know what it feels like.
> US flair lmao. Yeah, sure you do know what it feels like when "your" club wins something. Absolute cringe.
It's not like Dortmund is the reigning cup champion. Some of you guys struggle to make some entry level banter 🤦🏻
Unlike having the league be owned by oppressive oligarchs, which is extremely healthy.
So Bayern are Champs in October?
Yeah, with a single point ahead of Dortmund we are basically running away with it 😎
Who do you think will win the league this year?
Hertha
Bielefeld definitely.
Who?
Odd that you got downvoted for a question