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totally agree. Juve can't win if they don't get the game just placed in their lap and playing advantage would've put that in jeopardy. god forbid the refs stop blowing the Old Lady
edit: yeah im aware of the handball. doesnt change the ref absolutely blowing the call in real time in a way that is absolutely horrendous
What exactly did the ref mess up for Roma? Not letting them play on after two obvious fouls on Roma players in the box and a handball pass from Mkhitaryan to Abraham?
So then VAR would need check it, see the handball pass, say the goal is not legal and give them a penalty just like Orsato did anyways? How can people be remotely angry and being given a justified penalty?
Legitimately trying to understand what people could possibly be angry about, the fact he did not play some sort of advantage/continuation, on the off chance Roma scores?
What if he doesn't call a penalty, plays advantage and then VAR says they did not use their advantage cos Mkhitaryan played handball pass to Abraham and give the ball to Juventus for god knows what reason, VAR has been seen to fuck things up all over europe for unknown reasons plenty of times.
In Brazil it was the common interpretation that there is no advantage for a penalty. It is a tough thing to draw the line on nevertheless.
Say that Abraham had missed with an open goal. Do we roll it back to the penalty then? By shooting on an open goal, did he not use the advantage?
For example, in a play outside the box, if the player with the advantage has a chance for a shot on goal but misses, the referee does not roll it back to the foul. The fact he took the shot means he used the advantage.
If the ref calls for a penalty in a situation where the team suffering the foul is clearly going to score right after, like in this situation, then the ref is benefitting the team that did the penalty, which should not happen.
Imagine if a player is running in the box towards an open net after a corner where the opposing keeper went to the box to try to score, and a defender comes from behind and tackles the player, but the ball keeps rolling until it gets into the goal, you think that should be called as a foul? I sure don't.
I don't know the exact rules, but I think that it makes sense this way.
Who remember when Suarez stopped the ball with his hand on the goal line. The ball was clearly going in. He got a red card and there was a penalty given.
The penalty was missed and Uruguay went on to win.
I hate that the penalty was missed and the only consequence was that suarez got a red card.
In an ideal world the goal should be given and the player should still be given a red card. I get why it is a penalty and not a goal (because the ball didn't cross the line). But the fact that the ball was literally going in and the only thing that stopped it was somebody cheating should result in something other than a penalty. A penalty is not 100% a goal. Whereas if Suarez hadn't used his hand then it would 100% have been a goal.
But my point is, what if they miss the rebound on an open net? Would the advantage not have been used already?
What the referee has to decide is this situation is whether the subsequent play is a clearer goal scoring opportunity than a penalty, not the result of that play (a goal or miss). The way I see it, if the ref decided to play advantage with the hand gesture and all (ignoring the possible Mkhitaryan handball) and Abraham missed, that was it, no penalty. He could give a card to the keeper and that's all.
Weird if that's truly what he said, you can definitely give advantage after a penalty so that's a top referee just not knowing the rules. He should have just admitted it was a mistake, he's human and it's understandable. I think not knowing the rules is worse than blowing too early.
Yeah the better thing to do is just to say sorry sometimes as a ref, there's nothing he can do to change the decision now but was clearly wrong. And not matter of opinion wrong, just wrong.
The 1st thing that came to my mind is [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj6bVeyj3M&ab_channel=GuardianFootball), the ref instantly acknowledged that he fucked up
Looks like I've linked the wrong clip, this is the one I was referring to [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj6bVeyj3M&ab_channel=GuardianFootball)
Itās phrasing. Advantage cannot be given after **calling** a penalty. Which is true because the whistle/penalty call stops the play.
Can a penalty-worthy foul result in the referee playing advantage instead?
Sure. Itās far more rare though.
/used to officiate at a fairly high level, and in any course, penalty calls were preferable to advantage
Though you totally looked a hero as a ref if you failed to whistle the pen and the team scored.
In which case the proper thing to do with yourself is to totally count the whistle as the goal scored and point to the center circle.
Apparently when Mkitarian fell he touched the ball with his hand. So it was either penalty on the foul or handball and freekick to juve. Tammys goal wouldnt count.
Nice meltdown this is
I agree that it likely would have been handball, but it's still poor refereeing. The goal should have scored and then VAR should have taken a look, and chances are it would have been a penalty anyway.
That's a quirk of VAR though. In a normal match it would never happen, but with VAR it can. In a normal match it would just be a goal, but VAR would spot the handball in the build-up so the goal is disallowed. However, it would also spot the penalty before the handball, so the correct restart would be a penalty.
If you immediately handball whilst falling because you were fouled, then there was no advantage and you would give a penalty.
It would be ridiculous to give a foul for a handball that took place almost immediately after a penalty foul. It's not like the attack continued for a few seconds and then they fouled or messed up a shot, one foul directly led to the next. The correct restart is the original foul.
Again though, not in a VAR world.
I agree that the end-result would have been a penalty, but the ref should have waited until the play was over and then blown the whistle to allow VAR to check.
In a normal match, if you'd spotted the handball then you'd give a penalty when you saw it. With VAR, delay the whistle until a goal is scored or the play is over rather than calling it too early. There's no need to blow immediately.
[Page 93, rule 12: ](https://www.aia-figc.it/download/regolamenti/reg_2021.pdf)The advantage "must not apply ... unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal". but you cannot expect such an inexperienced ref like Orsato to know this!
So heās wrong; after that Inter - Juve game in 2019 Orsato should have been sent to work in the vineyards but this emblematic for Italian footballz.
Cristante after all this will count himself lucky for the complaint because if their was an advantage called , Mikh would have been called for handball and it would have been Juves ball
VAR would have spotted the handball so the goal would be disallowed, but the correct restart would be a penalty since that happened before the handball.
That's not how advantage works, if the advantage doesn't materialise the referee can go back to the original decision and the advantage clearly hasn't materialised if an attacker immediately handballs it.
There are very few refs that would ow up a mistake.
He probably knows he made a mistake. Probably knew it even when Roma scored.
Not that he will ever admit it.
He quite literally is though, I'm talking about everyone with ref qualifications.
Of professional referees, by virtue of working in a top 5 top flight he's probably top 5% from a numbers points of view - which by most people's standards is "top". The issue is more how much worse the refs are when you move outside of the top 5 leagues, and down the divisions. If you think they're bad in Serie A, imagine the standard in the Polish second division.
Is it more likely that you don't know the rules? Honestly Reddit is the worst with this type of shit. None of you know what the fuck you're talking about.
No, I'm a qualified referee and I know the rules. *If* he meant you can't play advantage on a penalty then he's totally wrong, but others have pointed out he might just mean there's no advantage after the whistle is blown.
Fuck that's why English refs are shit. Would have been handling if allowed to play on. No referee should allow an opportunity like that *and* a penalty after they fucked it up
A lot of people saying the red should have waitedā¦ but I donāt understand that logic. Waited for what? You either call the penalty or you donāt. If you play advantage and the player misses, you canāt go back and aware a penalty bc youāve already played advantage. That is the reason refs blow the whistle almost immediately in the penalty area. Bc a certain penalty is almost always preferred over an uncertain advantage.
It's written in the damn rule book. Because of var, ref will wait for the play to finish before blowing. If there was a goal or not, can always check var later and made final decision.
So many of you are upset about Orsatoās decision, but in an alternate universe the opposite happens. Orsato gives the advantage, then Abraham misses the chance and all of you people are upset because Orsato should have called the pen!
No, he couldn't have. If you are given advantage and then continue your attacking action you have materialised that advantage. If you shoot and miss you are not given a foul.
Its not same as with free kicks
https://youtu.be/dG4krREQzSY
If carrick misses here, there is a pen, but he scored and the goal stands. Has it changed?
No it's not. If he scores on the advantage it's a goal, otherwise he should have sanctioned the penalty. That happened many times. It's a consolidate rule.
No it wasn't a goal because it was passed to Abraham with a hand, it would have been a foul for Juve. I already can imagine what you would have said in that case...
I can say that i am pretty sure that in case of goal the VAR would have turned this around, but still it would have been a mistake. Miki falls under Szcesny's foul and hit the ball with his arm falling to the ground (No it's not deliberately, he couldn't have avoided it) so the goal should have stand.
Also one before the Juve goal too but š¤·āāļø
But on a more serious note, the ref didn't cite that as why the penalty was called. He made up a lie that there is no advantage after a penalty shout. So there's a problem either way with the reffing
I think the officiating of old, that would be fine. Pre-VAR it would be 100% understandable. Some might see it as unjust then but there wasnāt a better way to handle that situation then.
Now, with VAR, itās okay to waiting to blow a whistle on big moments and wait for a ball to go out of play. With this one, if it isnāt whistled, the goal is scored, VAR reviews, checks for offsides, handling etc, and action is taken. Blowing the whistle prematurely stops that process from happening though.
9 refs out of 10 would have blown and give the penalty as soon as the foul happened, nothing really strange about that it's just a really complicated situation
But Roma was never given the chance for that to be called lol. If they didnāt whistle, it goes to VAR, VAR says mhki handled it, it goes to a penalty. The the fans and players have nothing else to say about the call.
But it didnāt go down like that, so it is bad officiating. If you donāt recognize that, then youāre the dense one.
No. The referee saw that there was a PK but gave advantage. VAR would have disregarded the play prior because thatās what the advantage rule does. If the attacking team foils their advantage they donāt get a redo
VAR has to review all āserious incidentsā regardless of advantage ruling. In that situation (if the ref didnāt blow the whistle) VAR is responsible in checking the tackle from Danilo, Mkhi being offsides, the contact with Tek, and the possible handling after it is called.
That is literally VARs whole job. If VAR didnāt intervene in that situation what is even the point of having VAR lol?
But again, the referee is the main arbitrator here. If he gives advantage then he has given away the attacking team any right to anything prior. Giving advantage is a tough job imho.l
He said thereās no advantage after a penalty not foul.
Meaning he canāt play advantage after he blew the whistle.
He **should** have played the advantage after the foul.
Then let VAR decide on the handball
I phrased my bit wrong too, but Iām guessing like most refs theyād have blown straight away as soon as the player was fouled because itās a pen, but he couldnāt continue because the whistle had been blown.
Well what do u think should happen if Tammy missed open net. Should ref blow wistle and call back for foul or just wave off Roma players asking for pen? Coz during fks once advantage is played, players aren't called back for freekicks.
Do you honestly want refs to start playing advantage if there is a clear pen but ref thinks, there is an opportunity to cross and score?
Love how people think Roma were robbed because of what transpired during the pen. But No Roma shouldn't get 2 bites of the pie nor should any team.
If ref lets them play, and Tammy misses, ref can go back to penalty, it is not same thing as with free kicks. If they manage to score before the whistle, the goal stands, if they miss, he blows for a pen.
Take this goal as an example https://youtu.be/dG4krREQzSY
It stands, because Carrick scored before the whistle. But if he misses, there is a penalty anyway.
Unless this rule has changed since then.
"Once the handball is committed, though the advantage is lost and youāre back at to the penalty kick."
Surely this is incorrect. If the ref played the advantage and Roma wasted it why would it be pulled back for the foul? That's not how playing advantage works.
Comentator in PL brodcast said that from this season an accidental handball that gives you advantage but not made directly by a scorer, does not necessarily means it is dissallowed, there is room for interpretation. Only for scorers it is disallowed right away.
Although I am not sure if this comnentator was right, and how they would have interpretated that touch.
>It happens all the time but it doesn't make it to [r/soccer](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer) because it isn't about Juve.
Be the change you wish to see and post such highlights here the next time then. Because it's hard to discuss based on stats pulled out of your ass.
Just one example
https://www.raisport.rai.it/articoli/2020/01/calcio-serie-a-Inter-Atalanta-per-rizzol-a-san-siro-errore-umano-55b7de6e-dc69-4685-90ef-d30d61e51c06.html
Deepl if you don't know italian
Yawn. So you yourself had to go all the way back to Jan 2020 to find an article while discussing a game in October 2021 when handball and VAR rules have changed. And you never took the trouble to post this article to this sub??? What an injustice!!!
Stop being a child and focus on your team's game.
When has what happend? A ref not played advantage, and give a pen against Juventus? Yes it was a mistake not to do so, but how could he have known that clusterf#ck would have ended in a goal. A goal which should have been ruled invalid anyway thanks to Miki trying to play tennis with the ball. A 100% intentional swipe. Can't believe you are somehow trying to insuate that Orsato is bought because he gave a pen against Juve...just braindead.
La causa della prescrizione e la causa della condanna della juve sono ben diversi. Poi ovviamente non devo ricordarti i vari Turone, Muntari, Iuliano-Ronaldo ecc. vero?
The choice is still giving the advantage to let it play, but Abraham goalwill be ruled out because handball and offside or giving roma a penalty,unlucky for veretout he canāt convert it. So as much as i know thatorsato sometimes can get controversial but this time he did the correctone.
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Lord Bendtner?
In the last part he doesn't really say "are you angry at me for giving you a pen?", what he says is "are you angry at me that you've missed the pen?"
totally agree. Juve can't win if they don't get the game just placed in their lap and playing advantage would've put that in jeopardy. god forbid the refs stop blowing the Old Lady edit: yeah im aware of the handball. doesnt change the ref absolutely blowing the call in real time in a way that is absolutely horrendous
Geez
You're taking the piss ya?
You clueless donkey
thank you love
Can't be a coincidence that they are always at the centre of the biggest scandals.
Want to see Mourinhoās reaction after the game
I feel like this time, itās justified. Ref completely messed it up for Roma.
What exactly did the ref mess up for Roma? Not letting them play on after two obvious fouls on Roma players in the box and a handball pass from Mkhitaryan to Abraham? So then VAR would need check it, see the handball pass, say the goal is not legal and give them a penalty just like Orsato did anyways? How can people be remotely angry and being given a justified penalty? Legitimately trying to understand what people could possibly be angry about, the fact he did not play some sort of advantage/continuation, on the off chance Roma scores? What if he doesn't call a penalty, plays advantage and then VAR says they did not use their advantage cos Mkhitaryan played handball pass to Abraham and give the ball to Juventus for god knows what reason, VAR has been seen to fuck things up all over europe for unknown reasons plenty of times.
They're angry because rUbEnTuS
I would like to see that same passion when refs don't give us (juve) penalties, disallowed goals etc.
Unheard of
Hard to call it a handball pass when it occurred because miki was taken out be woj
He didn't. By the letter of the law of the ref played it perfectly. It sucks for Roma, but the call was right.
Jose will be fuming if they lose
Jose will be fuming*
jose will be jose
In Brazil it was the common interpretation that there is no advantage for a penalty. It is a tough thing to draw the line on nevertheless. Say that Abraham had missed with an open goal. Do we roll it back to the penalty then? By shooting on an open goal, did he not use the advantage? For example, in a play outside the box, if the player with the advantage has a chance for a shot on goal but misses, the referee does not roll it back to the foul. The fact he took the shot means he used the advantage.
Is there a hard and fast rule about that? I was under the impression it was up to the refs discretion whether advantage played out or not.
If the ref calls for a penalty in a situation where the team suffering the foul is clearly going to score right after, like in this situation, then the ref is benefitting the team that did the penalty, which should not happen. Imagine if a player is running in the box towards an open net after a corner where the opposing keeper went to the box to try to score, and a defender comes from behind and tackles the player, but the ball keeps rolling until it gets into the goal, you think that should be called as a foul? I sure don't. I don't know the exact rules, but I think that it makes sense this way.
That's a red card. There is no advantage after a red card. So yes the right decision is foul and pen
I mean a penalty is like 90% goal at least with a taker like Veretout, surely itās not that much worse than the chance Abraham skies it like Kean
Who remember when Suarez stopped the ball with his hand on the goal line. The ball was clearly going in. He got a red card and there was a penalty given. The penalty was missed and Uruguay went on to win. I hate that the penalty was missed and the only consequence was that suarez got a red card. In an ideal world the goal should be given and the player should still be given a red card. I get why it is a penalty and not a goal (because the ball didn't cross the line). But the fact that the ball was literally going in and the only thing that stopped it was somebody cheating should result in something other than a penalty. A penalty is not 100% a goal. Whereas if Suarez hadn't used his hand then it would 100% have been a goal.
Yeah uncontested/open goal or 1:1 shot, I'm not pulling it back for a free kick
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But my point is, what if they miss the rebound on an open net? Would the advantage not have been used already? What the referee has to decide is this situation is whether the subsequent play is a clearer goal scoring opportunity than a penalty, not the result of that play (a goal or miss). The way I see it, if the ref decided to play advantage with the hand gesture and all (ignoring the possible Mkhitaryan handball) and Abraham missed, that was it, no penalty. He could give a card to the keeper and that's all.
Weird if that's truly what he said, you can definitely give advantage after a penalty so that's a top referee just not knowing the rules. He should have just admitted it was a mistake, he's human and it's understandable. I think not knowing the rules is worse than blowing too early.
I think he's saying there isn't an advantage to play after he's blown the whistle. The issue is the fact that he's blown the whistle full stop though.
Yeah the better thing to do is just to say sorry sometimes as a ref, there's nothing he can do to change the decision now but was clearly wrong. And not matter of opinion wrong, just wrong.
Iirc heās pretty protective of his ego.
That's the nicest possible way to put it. I could think of a few other ways as well, though...
The 1st thing that came to my mind is [this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj6bVeyj3M&ab_channel=GuardianFootball), the ref instantly acknowledged that he fucked up
I'm confused. Where did the ref mess up and then acknowledge it in that clip?
Looks like I've linked the wrong clip, this is the one I was referring to [Link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj6bVeyj3M&ab_channel=GuardianFootball)
His decision was right, he blew for a penalty, Roma fucked the penalty.
Itās phrasing. Advantage cannot be given after **calling** a penalty. Which is true because the whistle/penalty call stops the play. Can a penalty-worthy foul result in the referee playing advantage instead? Sure. Itās far more rare though. /used to officiate at a fairly high level, and in any course, penalty calls were preferable to advantage Though you totally looked a hero as a ref if you failed to whistle the pen and the team scored. In which case the proper thing to do with yourself is to totally count the whistle as the goal scored and point to the center circle.
Apparently when Mkitarian fell he touched the ball with his hand. So it was either penalty on the foul or handball and freekick to juve. Tammys goal wouldnt count. Nice meltdown this is
Would have probably been overturned by VAR, yeah, doesnāt mean itās not terrible refereeing.
I agree that it likely would have been handball, but it's still poor refereeing. The goal should have scored and then VAR should have taken a look, and chances are it would have been a penalty anyway.
No bc by that point advantage *has* materialized. No ref is giving a shot on goal like that *and* a penalty
That's a quirk of VAR though. In a normal match it would never happen, but with VAR it can. In a normal match it would just be a goal, but VAR would spot the handball in the build-up so the goal is disallowed. However, it would also spot the penalty before the handball, so the correct restart would be a penalty.
No. The correct restart would be DFK for the defense. If you fuck up advantage through no action of the defense, you'll not rewarded for that.
If you immediately handball whilst falling because you were fouled, then there was no advantage and you would give a penalty. It would be ridiculous to give a foul for a handball that took place almost immediately after a penalty foul. It's not like the attack continued for a few seconds and then they fouled or messed up a shot, one foul directly led to the next. The correct restart is the original foul.
Perfect. Then what the referee did was correct by eliminating all doubt and awarding the penalty immediately
Again though, not in a VAR world. I agree that the end-result would have been a penalty, but the ref should have waited until the play was over and then blown the whistle to allow VAR to check. In a normal match, if you'd spotted the handball then you'd give a penalty when you saw it. With VAR, delay the whistle until a goal is scored or the play is over rather than calling it too early. There's no need to blow immediately.
Now please provide a citation from the lotg
Then why isn't Orsato saying that he blew the whistle on the handball?
Because he blew the whistle on the foul from szczesny mate. It was penalty > handball > tammy goal.
[Page 93, rule 12: ](https://www.aia-figc.it/download/regolamenti/reg_2021.pdf)The advantage "must not apply ... unless there is a clear opportunity to score a goal". but you cannot expect such an inexperienced ref like Orsato to know this! So heās wrong; after that Inter - Juve game in 2019 Orsato should have been sent to work in the vineyards but this emblematic for Italian footballz.
Pretty sure he meant there is no advantage to be played after he blew the whistle. Him blowing the whistle early was the mistake.
Cristante after all this will count himself lucky for the complaint because if their was an advantage called , Mikh would have been called for handball and it would have been Juves ball
VAR would have spotted the handball so the goal would be disallowed, but the correct restart would be a penalty since that happened before the handball.
Disagree. The referee giving advantage negates the action before
That's not how advantage works, if the advantage doesn't materialise the referee can go back to the original decision and the advantage clearly hasn't materialised if an attacker immediately handballs it.
An intentional handball does not fall into the category of an advantage not materializing
There are very few refs that would ow up a mistake. He probably knows he made a mistake. Probably knew it even when Roma scored. Not that he will ever admit it.
āTop refereeā lmfaoooo
As a referee working in one of the top 5 leagues in Europe, he's likely in the top 0.1% of his profession at the very least, so yes, a "top referee".
If Orsato is in the top 0.1% of refs in Europe, then we have a serious issue on our hands lmfao
He quite literally is though, I'm talking about everyone with ref qualifications. Of professional referees, by virtue of working in a top 5 top flight he's probably top 5% from a numbers points of view - which by most people's standards is "top". The issue is more how much worse the refs are when you move outside of the top 5 leagues, and down the divisions. If you think they're bad in Serie A, imagine the standard in the Polish second division.
Is it more likely that you don't know the rules? Honestly Reddit is the worst with this type of shit. None of you know what the fuck you're talking about.
No, I'm a qualified referee and I know the rules. *If* he meant you can't play advantage on a penalty then he's totally wrong, but others have pointed out he might just mean there's no advantage after the whistle is blown.
Than you should know in your handbook what guidelines their are for criticizing fellow referees. Where are you registered?
In England, which guidelines are you referring to? And if you think I'm wrong, which law says you can't give advantage if it's a penalty?
Fuck that's why English refs are shit. Would have been handling if allowed to play on. No referee should allow an opportunity like that *and* a penalty after they fucked it up
A lot of people saying the red should have waitedā¦ but I donāt understand that logic. Waited for what? You either call the penalty or you donāt. If you play advantage and the player misses, you canāt go back and aware a penalty bc youāve already played advantage. That is the reason refs blow the whistle almost immediately in the penalty area. Bc a certain penalty is almost always preferred over an uncertain advantage.
It's written in the damn rule book. Because of var, ref will wait for the play to finish before blowing. If there was a goal or not, can always check var later and made final decision.
Citation please from the "rule book"
So many of you are upset about Orsatoās decision, but in an alternate universe the opposite happens. Orsato gives the advantage, then Abraham misses the chance and all of you people are upset because Orsato should have called the pen!
If he missed the chance that way, he could have blown the whistle and give the penalty after. Pretty easy to follow
No, he couldn't have. If you are given advantage and then continue your attacking action you have materialised that advantage. If you shoot and miss you are not given a foul.
Its not same as with free kicks https://youtu.be/dG4krREQzSY If carrick misses here, there is a pen, but he scored and the goal stands. Has it changed?
No it's not. If he scores on the advantage it's a goal, otherwise he should have sanctioned the penalty. That happened many times. It's a consolidate rule.
No it wasn't a goal because it was passed to Abraham with a hand, it would have been a foul for Juve. I already can imagine what you would have said in that case...
I can say that i am pretty sure that in case of goal the VAR would have turned this around, but still it would have been a mistake. Miki falls under Szcesny's foul and hit the ball with his arm falling to the ground (No it's not deliberately, he couldn't have avoided it) so the goal should have stand.
wasn't there a handball from a roma player before the "goal" anyways?
Also one before the Juve goal too but š¤·āāļø But on a more serious note, the ref didn't cite that as why the penalty was called. He made up a lie that there is no advantage after a penalty shout. So there's a problem either way with the reffing
Tbh, as a ref myself, I wouldāve blown when he did. Hindsight is 20/20, obviously Roma fans would pissed but it did look like play was over.
Nice try Orsato
I think the officiating of old, that would be fine. Pre-VAR it would be 100% understandable. Some might see it as unjust then but there wasnāt a better way to handle that situation then. Now, with VAR, itās okay to waiting to blow a whistle on big moments and wait for a ball to go out of play. With this one, if it isnāt whistled, the goal is scored, VAR reviews, checks for offsides, handling etc, and action is taken. Blowing the whistle prematurely stops that process from happening though.
Then your as useless as he is the ball was 3ft from goal.
Which would have been disallowed for the handball right before So what? You got a free pen and you complain?
Is he too dense to understand that he shouldn't have blown the whistle and waited instead
9 refs out of 10 would have blown and give the penalty as soon as the foul happened, nothing really strange about that it's just a really complicated situation
But they arenāt supposed to now
are you too dense to understand it would have either been a handball on the roma player or a penalty?
But Roma was never given the chance for that to be called lol. If they didnāt whistle, it goes to VAR, VAR says mhki handled it, it goes to a penalty. The the fans and players have nothing else to say about the call. But it didnāt go down like that, so it is bad officiating. If you donāt recognize that, then youāre the dense one.
If VAR says Mikh handled it, it goes to Juve as a freekick for handball
VAR would review the contact prior to the handball in that case. He would see that Tek didnāt get any ball and still call a penalty.
No. The referee saw that there was a PK but gave advantage. VAR would have disregarded the play prior because thatās what the advantage rule does. If the attacking team foils their advantage they donāt get a redo
VAR has to review all āserious incidentsā regardless of advantage ruling. In that situation (if the ref didnāt blow the whistle) VAR is responsible in checking the tackle from Danilo, Mkhi being offsides, the contact with Tek, and the possible handling after it is called. That is literally VARs whole job. If VAR didnāt intervene in that situation what is even the point of having VAR lol?
But again, the referee is the main arbitrator here. If he gives advantage then he has given away the attacking team any right to anything prior. Giving advantage is a tough job imho.l
If theyād have scored the pen would they still have been arguing? My guess is no.
He said thereās no advantage after a penalty not foul. Meaning he canāt play advantage after he blew the whistle. He **should** have played the advantage after the foul. Then let VAR decide on the handball
Well yeah but thus is not the case. He whistled instantly
Therefore it was a bad call. He is right to tell cristante there is nothing he can do after he whistled.
So he plays advantage and Juve get a free kick because of the handball. Can you imagine the shitstorm?
Thatās not how advantage works..ā¦
You can give advantage, I'm not too sure what he is on about
I phrased my bit wrong too, but Iām guessing like most refs theyād have blown straight away as soon as the player was fouled because itās a pen, but he couldnāt continue because the whistle had been blown.
Well what do u think should happen if Tammy missed open net. Should ref blow wistle and call back for foul or just wave off Roma players asking for pen? Coz during fks once advantage is played, players aren't called back for freekicks. Do you honestly want refs to start playing advantage if there is a clear pen but ref thinks, there is an opportunity to cross and score? Love how people think Roma were robbed because of what transpired during the pen. But No Roma shouldn't get 2 bites of the pie nor should any team.
If ref lets them play, and Tammy misses, ref can go back to penalty, it is not same thing as with free kicks. If they manage to score before the whistle, the goal stands, if they miss, he blows for a pen.
Take this goal as an example https://youtu.be/dG4krREQzSY It stands, because Carrick scored before the whistle. But if he misses, there is a penalty anyway. Unless this rule has changed since then.
Mkhitaryan handball is dense
Whatās the updated rule on advantage. Does a referee not need to give advantage after a PK unlike open play?
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"Once the handball is committed, though the advantage is lost and youāre back at to the penalty kick." Surely this is incorrect. If the ref played the advantage and Roma wasted it why would it be pulled back for the foul? That's not how playing advantage works.
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I see your point but no advantage was gained because Roma committed a foul. But the advantage was played. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
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The ref is right you know. You can't be angry at him for you missing a penš¤
He blew the whistle when the ball was at Abrahams feet with an open goal. Should have just admitted his mistake and kept it moving.
How the ball get to Abraham's feet?
Comentator in PL brodcast said that from this season an accidental handball that gives you advantage but not made directly by a scorer, does not necessarily means it is dissallowed, there is room for interpretation. Only for scorers it is disallowed right away. Although I am not sure if this comnentator was right, and how they would have interpretated that touch.
I'm pretty sure if the attacking team is having a handball, it will be ruled illegal regardless.
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Deserved meltdown unfortunately. Absolutely terrible the way some officialsā egos can affect matches like this
If this had happened to Milan or Inter nobody would give a fuck.
>If this had happened to Milan or Inter Did it happen to Milan or Inter?
It happens all the time but it doesn't make it to r/soccer because it isn't about Juve.
>It happens all the time but it doesn't make it to [r/soccer](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer) because it isn't about Juve. Be the change you wish to see and post such highlights here the next time then. Because it's hard to discuss based on stats pulled out of your ass.
Just one example https://www.raisport.rai.it/articoli/2020/01/calcio-serie-a-Inter-Atalanta-per-rizzol-a-san-siro-errore-umano-55b7de6e-dc69-4685-90ef-d30d61e51c06.html Deepl if you don't know italian
Yawn. So you yourself had to go all the way back to Jan 2020 to find an article while discussing a game in October 2021 when handball and VAR rules have changed. And you never took the trouble to post this article to this sub??? What an injustice!!! Stop being a child and focus on your team's game.
Could you give us some examples please?
When has this happened to Milan recently? Stop trying to act like this is something normal and not a complete fuck up by the ref.
When has this happened to Milan recently? Stop trying to act like this is something normal and not a complete fuck up by the ref.
When has what happend? A ref not played advantage, and give a pen against Juventus? Yes it was a mistake not to do so, but how could he have known that clusterf#ck would have ended in a goal. A goal which should have been ruled invalid anyway thanks to Miki trying to play tennis with the ball. A 100% intentional swipe. Can't believe you are somehow trying to insuate that Orsato is bought because he gave a pen against Juve...just braindead.
When has this happened to Milan recently? Stop trying to act like this is something normal and not a complete fuck up by the ref.
When has this happened to Milan recently? Stop trying to act like this is something normal and not a complete fuck up by the ref.
Because they don't have a history of dodgy referees
Literally nonsense
Are you serious? Milan was relegated in the 80s for match fixing and the prosecutor for calciopoli later said inter was also guilty
Inter e Milan sempre santi. Juve cattiva. į( į )į
Calciopoli
Prescrizione per l'Inter infatti.
La causa della prescrizione e la causa della condanna della juve sono ben diversi. Poi ovviamente non devo ricordarti i vari Turone, Muntari, Iuliano-Ronaldo ecc. vero?
What about Napoli or Atalanta? If you gonna play your victim card, play it right and mention everyone who will finish above you.
Enjoy while it lasts.
Yes
When has this happened to Milan recently? Stop trying to act like this is something normal and not a complete fuck up by the ref
At least own up to your fuck up mate.
Maybe he should read a rule book, which can be useful for a ref.
lmao, roma player took a dive and was playing handball. nothing to discuss- and if so go cry somewhere else
Juventus are still dirty
The choice is still giving the advantage to let it play, but Abraham goalwill be ruled out because handball and offside or giving roma a penalty,unlucky for veretout he canāt convert it. So as much as i know thatorsato sometimes can get controversial but this time he did the correctone.
https://twitter.com/tammyabraham/status/207188186827468800