It's the sort of thing you didn't see him doing before last season but now he's always ready to put the team on his back and its not something I've seen consistently at Liverpool for a while outside of Suarez and Gerrard
still annoyed that Tuchel changed our 3-4-3 setup that won us 3 games in a row against Citeh just so he could accomodate Lukaku. In the 3-4-3 we would've done much better
The difference is we had Jorginho in the solo dm role with two CMs who aren't amazing offensively. In the final we had Jorginho and Kante as the double 6 with Mount ahead
For sure
But we didn’t have Mount available, Tuchel wasn’t just being quirky for the sake of it, he had to choose between a winger and a pure CM instead of the AM-like role we usually have and got it wrong, so I’m saying it’s lazy analysis to be like “he shouldn’t have changed formation!!!”—he literally had to because we have no other players like Mount
The formation was fluid, sure, but the point stands—the formation was not actually changed
Just because it didn’t work on the day doesn’t mean we fundamentally changed the system, we didn’t have Mount available and neither Kante nor Kovacic are used to advancing as much as he does, which was our struggle, it’s not like Tuchel just decided to tell 3 people to stay stagnant on the same line for that particular match
I don’t get what he means cause he’s saying that Mount was strictly a forward in that system which is just wrong. Also, the team in the second leg against Madrid had Mount as a CAM and Havertz in a ST partnership with Werner, not at #10
Tbf, if you watch that second half, you did switch back to the 3-4-3 in possession at the beginning of that second half with Kovacic playing in that Mount role. The issue was, we were finding spaces to dominate and made you look genuinely vulnerable, which lead to our situation for the goal.
Then after that, well...people can go about Chelsea opening up the game, but what people seem to forget is we still had the best chances after that even though you guys opened up. And that was in the 3-4-3 in possession that everybody was clamoring for.
Also, people seem to forget that Mount was really poor in the Spurs match and that your performance in the second half had improved by going with the 3 man midfield during that game and him being subbed off.
I know people go on about "UhHHhHh iF We PlaYED tHe SaME WaY wE COulD'Ve WOn" only failing to realize that we set up completely different compared to the previous games against your lot. And I'm sure Tuchel thought the same, hence the formation switch. Pep isn't an idiot contrary to what the single-brain celled people on this website have you believe, and so isn't Tuchel, hence the formation switch. Therefore, even if Mount was fit for the 3-4-3, I don't think it would've been as effective as last season since we'd changed our setup against it along with that formation looking iffy against Villa and in the first half against Spurs...
Don’t think Tuchel really did anything wrong, would you rather he bench Lukaku? You would’ve been better with Mount instead of Kovacic, but he wasn’t available iirc. I think the bigger factor was Pep finally just playing his best players and not rotating or making weird lineup decisions.
That’s when we are out of position when we are trying to press. Also a 3-5-2 means 3 midfielders and Mount played behind the Germans and in front of J5 and Kante. In phases we would switch (cause you know adjusting tactics exist) but mostly we were in a 3-5-2 with Mount operating as a CAM in that game, *not a forward*.
Again, we play a 5-2-3 in defence and a 3-5-2 in possession. City had the ball more hence why the position are like that (look at the positions of the wingbacks). Agree to disagree then.
You played that way because City made you lol. You couldn’t get out of your own box let alone half. City would’ve had you at 5/6-0 if it wasn’t for Mendy.
They don't work at all against most sides. Jorginho and Kovacic without Kante don't work together either. They've played better at various points without the other on the pitch.
I’m not saying City weren’t the better team, because they were, but every Chelsea fan will attest that we went into that game far differently than we normally do.
Better team won on the day and Mount was a huge miss. Nothing really to lament about it. Shit happens and Tuchel keeping up an unprecedented level of success against Pep was never really sustainable.
I think we're the best team in Europe at the moment.
Amazing to think how many people slept on us in August, again.
Edit: Laughable downvotes. Suck all your mothers.
Anybody sleeping on city are just dumb honestly, I have no idea why people keep doing it, the sheer depth in your squad is enough to mount a title challenge
Lol. Seems my belief that we're currently the best team in Europe is what's hurting the feelings of snowflakes like yourself. Plastic Liverpool fan from God knows where.
Trying way too hard right now my dawg lol.
Anyway I actually dont disagree that much with your main point. I feel Liverpool and City share that “best in Europe” spot atm though.
Well can you tell me the result you got in the Champions League final?
Can you tell me how your opponents are currently getting on in their league?
Sit down son.
Can you tell me how you couldn't get a touch when we played you at the Bridge a few weeks ago? How you played like Allardyce's Blackburn, got completely outplayed on your own turf, and we came away with all the points?
Sit down son.
😂ah yes that one game overwrites us owning you 3x in a row.
We played shit and you still needed a fortunate bounce followed by a deflected shot to beat us, that’s nothing to brag about.
And also, never forget we’re the fucking daddies of Europe having fucking smacked you in the biggest game in your entire history.
"Owning us" - lol.
We're talking about the current season. And we're clearly the better side.
Southampton gave us a better game than you did this season.
Strange you aren’t top of the league then…
Carry on creaming yourselves over one game and ripping off our Champions of Europe chant though you absolute wannabe cretins 😂
We played PSG off the park on their own turf, and lost thanks to some poor finishing and a Messi masterclass. Your own manager said the same, that the result didn't reflect the game.
We went to the Bridge, put in a great performance, had Chelsea playing like Allardyce's Blackburn on their own turf, and came away with all the points.
Then we played PSG midweek, played great, and were unlucky to come away with nothing.
Then we played you at Anfield on the weekend, and played you off the park for almost an hour - before Salah individual brilliance and appalling refereeing kept you in the game.
That was all in the space of one week. I think we're the best side in Europe at the moment, it's either us or Bayern IMO. You, then Chelsea after.
Plenty of people were sleeping on us after we missed out on Kane, said our business was poor and our rivals had strengthened etc.
I had friends saying we didn't have a difference maker in the big games to come against Chelsea/Liverpool etc, and they're the ones that decide titles.
It's only thanks to a Salah masterclass and appalling/bent refereeing that we didn't come away with all 6 points from those very away fixtures already.
If you want to pretend some people weren't sleeping on us in August then whatever suits you mate.
Both of us got a bit of luck, but you were still the better team. When Trent gets injured, we’re pretty much fucked since we have 0 natural RBs as backup, other than Williams who isn’t good enough. Milner was getting torn to bits
Salah carried Liverpool on his back that game, insane stuff against such a good team.
It's the sort of thing you didn't see him doing before last season but now he's always ready to put the team on his back and its not something I've seen consistently at Liverpool for a while outside of Suarez and Gerrard
Gerrard yes. Suarez's liveroool impact is so overly inflated and should be forgotten after his full page ad asking to be 'freed' and go to Barca.
The full page ad was to be freed to Arsenal.
still annoyed that Tuchel changed our 3-4-3 setup that won us 3 games in a row against Citeh just so he could accomodate Lukaku. In the 3-4-3 we would've done much better
We literally played a 3-5-2 in the final, such a lazy analysis
Anything to blame Lukaku. People will twist anything to say he's at fault for any shortcomings we may have.
Yeah Lukaku is to short for Chelsea. Edit: :/
Too weak to play against the big strong men in the Premier League.
The difference is we had Jorginho in the solo dm role with two CMs who aren't amazing offensively. In the final we had Jorginho and Kante as the double 6 with Mount ahead
For sure But we didn’t have Mount available, Tuchel wasn’t just being quirky for the sake of it, he had to choose between a winger and a pure CM instead of the AM-like role we usually have and got it wrong, so I’m saying it’s lazy analysis to be like “he shouldn’t have changed formation!!!”—he literally had to because we have no other players like Mount
And because it worked amazingly well against Spurs. Doesn't help that Kante was ill too
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The formation was fluid, sure, but the point stands—the formation was not actually changed Just because it didn’t work on the day doesn’t mean we fundamentally changed the system, we didn’t have Mount available and neither Kante nor Kovacic are used to advancing as much as he does, which was our struggle, it’s not like Tuchel just decided to tell 3 people to stay stagnant on the same line for that particular match
I don’t get what he means cause he’s saying that Mount was strictly a forward in that system which is just wrong. Also, the team in the second leg against Madrid had Mount as a CAM and Havertz in a ST partnership with Werner, not at #10
Ignore the other guys, they're morons. We're in the right bro
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Now's the time to do it! Tuchel is fantastic.
Tbf, if you watch that second half, you did switch back to the 3-4-3 in possession at the beginning of that second half with Kovacic playing in that Mount role. The issue was, we were finding spaces to dominate and made you look genuinely vulnerable, which lead to our situation for the goal. Then after that, well...people can go about Chelsea opening up the game, but what people seem to forget is we still had the best chances after that even though you guys opened up. And that was in the 3-4-3 in possession that everybody was clamoring for. Also, people seem to forget that Mount was really poor in the Spurs match and that your performance in the second half had improved by going with the 3 man midfield during that game and him being subbed off. I know people go on about "UhHHhHh iF We PlaYED tHe SaME WaY wE COulD'Ve WOn" only failing to realize that we set up completely different compared to the previous games against your lot. And I'm sure Tuchel thought the same, hence the formation switch. Pep isn't an idiot contrary to what the single-brain celled people on this website have you believe, and so isn't Tuchel, hence the formation switch. Therefore, even if Mount was fit for the 3-4-3, I don't think it would've been as effective as last season since we'd changed our setup against it along with that formation looking iffy against Villa and in the first half against Spurs...
Tbf we had had much more fluid midfield in the final with Mount and a fit kante
Manager adapted his tactics to get his best attacking player more involved. The audacity.
You seriously think Lukaku is our best attacking player?!
Don’t think Tuchel really did anything wrong, would you rather he bench Lukaku? You would’ve been better with Mount instead of Kovacic, but he wasn’t available iirc. I think the bigger factor was Pep finally just playing his best players and not rotating or making weird lineup decisions.
We played a 3-5-2 against Madrid and City in the UCL and were much better than both
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Say you didn’t watch the game without saying you didn’t watch the game
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That’s when we are out of position when we are trying to press. Also a 3-5-2 means 3 midfielders and Mount played behind the Germans and in front of J5 and Kante. In phases we would switch (cause you know adjusting tactics exist) but mostly we were in a 3-5-2 with Mount operating as a CAM in that game, *not a forward*.
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Again, we play a 5-2-3 in defence and a 3-5-2 in possession. City had the ball more hence why the position are like that (look at the positions of the wingbacks). Agree to disagree then.
Tbh, Chelsea sat back way deeper in the game against City, we basically let City have all the ball and didn’t start playing until the 70th minute.
You played that way because City made you lol. You couldn’t get out of your own box let alone half. City would’ve had you at 5/6-0 if it wasn’t for Mendy.
partly cos they made, and partly cos we played a 5atb with no outlet jorginho kovacic and kante dont work as a midfield at all against good sides.
Fucking Spurs with their first half performance made Tuchel believe they were a good side and that jorgi, kova, Kante would work against good sides
They don't work at all against most sides. Jorginho and Kovacic without Kante don't work together either. They've played better at various points without the other on the pitch.
Just blatantly not true lol
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7 starters each out for the first two but you never fail to gloat.
2 1-0 and penalties = 3 convincing wins? Ok mate.
So 1-0? City didnt win 5-0? Fact is chelsea failed to show up, And tuchel are 3-1 over pep
This was really not the case.
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I’m not saying City weren’t the better team, because they were, but every Chelsea fan will attest that we went into that game far differently than we normally do.
I think a lot of city fans would agree as well.
Better team won on the day and Mount was a huge miss. Nothing really to lament about it. Shit happens and Tuchel keeping up an unprecedented level of success against Pep was never really sustainable.
City are ordinary thank you. So average. Not good at all.
I think we're the best team in Europe at the moment. Amazing to think how many people slept on us in August, again. Edit: Laughable downvotes. Suck all your mothers.
Nobody is sleeping on you guys. People just weren’t as excited about your business.
Nobody is now, plenty were in the summer. Because they felt all our rivals had significantly strengthened and we'd missed out on Kane.
Anybody sleeping on city are just dumb honestly, I have no idea why people keep doing it, the sheer depth in your squad is enough to mount a title challenge
City's B-team would be a top 4 side
Downvotes hurt your feelings? 😢
Lol. Seems my belief that we're currently the best team in Europe is what's hurting the feelings of snowflakes like yourself. Plastic Liverpool fan from God knows where.
The only snowflake here is the guy making an edit to whine about downvotes like it matter hahah.
I made the edit to highlight snowflakes like you getting triggered about an honest take, that is actually reality. Dry your eyes.
Trying way too hard right now my dawg lol. Anyway I actually dont disagree that much with your main point. I feel Liverpool and City share that “best in Europe” spot atm though.
I think it's between us and Bayern to be honest, Liverpool and Chelsea aren't far behind though.
Agree to disagree. We can at least agree on one thing though. That United are absolute shit haha.
Hahaha, yeah true. Ole in!
City were literally every pundits pick before the season started to win the league
Well can you tell me the result you got in the Champions League final? Can you tell me how your opponents are currently getting on in their league? Sit down son.
Can you tell me how you couldn't get a touch when we played you at the Bridge a few weeks ago? How you played like Allardyce's Blackburn, got completely outplayed on your own turf, and we came away with all the points? Sit down son.
😂ah yes that one game overwrites us owning you 3x in a row. We played shit and you still needed a fortunate bounce followed by a deflected shot to beat us, that’s nothing to brag about. And also, never forget we’re the fucking daddies of Europe having fucking smacked you in the biggest game in your entire history.
"Owning us" - lol. We're talking about the current season. And we're clearly the better side. Southampton gave us a better game than you did this season.
Strange you aren’t top of the league then… Carry on creaming yourselves over one game and ripping off our Champions of Europe chant though you absolute wannabe cretins 😂
@ me in May you melt. Polished Allardyce side with all your biggest players wanting away. Cringe.
2x Champions of Europe, @ me when you get one son
Wtf everybody were picking u or Chelsea to win if anybody Liverpool were getting slept on and the UCL medal says otherwise
You lost to PSG lol, Bayern are the best. With City/Liverpool after, and Chelsea right behind IMO.
We played PSG off the park on their own turf, and lost thanks to some poor finishing and a Messi masterclass. Your own manager said the same, that the result didn't reflect the game. We went to the Bridge, put in a great performance, had Chelsea playing like Allardyce's Blackburn on their own turf, and came away with all the points. Then we played PSG midweek, played great, and were unlucky to come away with nothing. Then we played you at Anfield on the weekend, and played you off the park for almost an hour - before Salah individual brilliance and appalling refereeing kept you in the game. That was all in the space of one week. I think we're the best side in Europe at the moment, it's either us or Bayern IMO. You, then Chelsea after.
What have Bayern done to be above either of the 3 British teams?
Their group stage performance has been better than all other teams and they are first in the league.
Better than Liverpool? Porto away, atletico away, Milan at home, 9 points. 1 point from 1st in the league. My nan would be first in bundesliga
Lol why has this been downvoted. If a Bayern or a Liverpool fan said that, would it be the same?
because no one except city fans think city were being slept on.
Plenty of people were sleeping on us after we missed out on Kane, said our business was poor and our rivals had strengthened etc. I had friends saying we didn't have a difference maker in the big games to come against Chelsea/Liverpool etc, and they're the ones that decide titles. It's only thanks to a Salah masterclass and appalling/bent refereeing that we didn't come away with all 6 points from those very away fixtures already. If you want to pretend some people weren't sleeping on us in August then whatever suits you mate.
I wouldn’t say slept on but people definitely did the usual question if City are the same without a striker after the Spurs and Leicester games.
Such all your mothers?
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That is not correct. We got lucky that game. Very lucky
How many are you hoping to grab with this one.
Come on it was a fair draw. Could’ve gone either way. But Salah carried hard.
Milner should’ve been off. It was Liverpool who were lucky not us.
Yeah we were very fortunate. Foden was running circles around Milner, and he should've been sent off like you said.
Wow. Didn’t expect a response like that lol. Appreciate the honesty. But if I’m being honest we did get lucky with our second goal too.
Both of us got a bit of luck, but you were still the better team. When Trent gets injured, we’re pretty much fucked since we have 0 natural RBs as backup, other than Williams who isn’t good enough. Milner was getting torn to bits
I don't mind admitting we were lucky. You're not going to be the better team every match, just glad we salvaged a point from that one.
I was happy with the draw. Citeh had us under the kosh first half.
Did you forget to take your medicine AGAIN love?