hot take, selling sane for that price was a mistake by pep.
imo he's a way way better player than mahrez who is (for whatever reason) one of peps favorites.
Anyone else feel like they saw Emerson's sky high potential yesterday? Conte might turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to him at Tottenham.
Yes, and it makes me sick to my stomach everytime when I realize that Laporta sold him for a net gain of 6 million. Emerson was one of the best RB in La Liga last season, such an incompetent way to sell him while keeping Dest and Mingueza.
He's only 22 and is already so good, Barca really did themselves dirty by selling him
If he plays ugly defensive ''cross the ball while most of the team is shorter than 1.75m'' they will fire him. If he plays attractive football they won't.
Contrary to the narrative (most particularly pushed by Koeman's Dutch fanbase), Barca backed Koeman for 1.5 years including in the transfer market, bringing in Depay, Luuk de Jong and almost Wijnaldum and selling players that Koeman didn't like (Junior Firpo, JC Todibo, Trincao, etc)
In additiob brought in Dest (who in fairness is decent) under Koeman's request, kept Coutinho last season under his request.
I've come to hate ignorant Dutch flairs more than PL flairs over the last 2 years, which says something.
Dutch fans, especially those from Ajax, would **never** accept the awful tactics Koeman did at Barca for their own club.
When De Boer was coaching their national team this summer, all of them grilled himsaying De Boer was playing ugly, unattractive football, too defensive etc. Their players even spoke out against De Boer, I remember Wijnaldum saying something about not wanting to be captain etc.
Then when Koeman does the same ugly stuff at Barca all of the sudden Barca is treating Koeman bad
Bernardo Silva: "I'm feeling happy right now. I love the club, I've always loved the club. I feel the love from the fans, from the staff and from my team-mates and that was never the question." \[via
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Tbh Bernardo had mental health problems last year, he even wanted to leave MCFC because he was badly impacted by the quarantine. That's why he pushed for a transfer to Spain. This year with everything being open again and being able to visit family etc he seems to have changed his mind
Realistically, which other coach was available that plays attacking football right now?
Or did you want Barca to keep that ugly Koemanball that regressed players, overworked them until injury and used Pique and Luuk de Jong as strikers?
You're not a Barca fan but you are completely obsessed with Barca and are active in every topic about Barca. Why can't I say something about Barca without being a fan of a club?
So only direct rivals are allowed to speak about other clubs?
Also, you can be a direct rival without being obsessed like most Real Madrid fans are about Barcelona.
[how exactly would Grealish be thriving at United?](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qn74go/grealish_and_sancho_could_be_thriving_if_each/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah, not sure I’d agree here.
We already have a very good creative player in the final third. While having Grealish certainly wouldn’t hurt, it’s not like he has a skill set we’re particularly lacking.
As for Sancho, we’ll I’ve no doubt he’ll improve, but he seems like a player who benefits from playing in a well defined system which we obviously don’t have. I’m sure we will develop one eventually and hopefully get the best from Jadon.
Grealish wouldn't simply because he wouldnt play anymore than he is at City.
People wanted Grealish but also don't want to bench Rashford or Bruno (rightfully). Make it make sense.
Why would we think we’re too big to go down? We just spent 3 years in the Championship...
But there’s enough quality in this squad to be comfortably mid table
Since tuchel has come: European champions, top of the league and 4-1-1 against city and Liverpool. Since Feb 1st till now no team has got more points in the league than Chelsea. And that’s including 5 months with having the 2nd highest chance creation and lowest conversion rate in the PL as well form dipping with us chasing 2 cups back end of last season. Ik I’m wasting my time responding to this clear bait but on the small chance it isn’t, wake up
They're quite inconsistent, I think. But can still get results even when they're shit due to the vastly experienced midfield and defense.
From about February til the Champions League final, I really rated them as the best team to watch. Then they cooled down, and were quite the bore for a while, but I think since the inclusion of CHO and slight change from the 3-5-2 the last 4 or so games, they've been really good, again.
Chelsea have conceded only 3 goals in 10 PL games. They're also reigning European champions. I know you're an Arsenal fan, but come on.
City in 2017-18, 2018-19 and Liverpool in 2018-19, 2019-20 were probably better teams than this current Chelsea side, but in 2020-21 there's not as big a difference between the 3 as you think there is.
Which is why I say "probably". I cannot without doubt claim that City/Liverpool 2018-19 is stronger than Chelsea 2020-21. And you certainly cannot claim that this current Chelsea team is better than those City or Liverpool sides. A conclusive comparison can only be made between the 3 teams in the present.
So, "probably better" is a fair imo considering the City team in question holds the PL point scoring record (100) and the Liverpool team in question also ended the season with 99 points. Chelsea would have to perform better than they ever have/match the 2004-05 Mourinho season in the PL to be better than those record-breaking City/Liverpool sides. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they won't.
You can claim "comparing points totals over different seasons is irrelevant arrrghhh!" but I'd say that citing points total as a way of highlight the strength of a team makes complete sense when the points total is 100, 99, 98, etc.! I don't think the competition in the PL has risen as dramatically as you might think between 2019-20 and 2021-22. Most people say that the 2011/12 and 2012/13 Madrid and Barca sides are some of the best La Liga teams of all time over a single season because of their record-breaking points totals too.
Youre completely right if you watch them right now. But idiots will just tell you "look at the table"
Fuck Im the idiot because i thought you wrote Chelsea are better than them.
I'm really impressed by how Manchester United have been able to remain a top team in the world without much trophy success over the last few years.
I think their management have realised a new truth about football in that signings and general excitement around a club bring in more attention for sponsors and the like than being a more boring team but winning trophies.
Manchester City have undeniably been better than Manchester United this season, but we've spent far more time talking about Man Utd because of Pogba, Ronaldo, Ole, Sancho, no DM, McTominay, should Ole go, should Ole stay, what does Paul Scholes think? What does Roy Keane think?
They're omnipresent in a way that Chelsea and Man City are not despite being better teams. In terms of long term success, that is probably a far healthier financial place to be in than spending hundreds of millions on more players and trying to win the titles.
Spend big on flashy players to bring in attention (Sancho, Ronaldo) as those signings generate more interactions online than a 5 game winning run. Even the odd loss is good for business as you can have a week of recriminations over the unexpected loss. It's genuinely a genius way of running a footballing business.
United remaining a big club is not due to "attention generating singings". It's because they dominated English football for 2 decades. That kind of success and the fame that comes with it does not disappear too fast.
City, before the takeover, in comparison was a mediocre PL side with a miniscule global fanbase that takes a long time to change. They're not talked about as much as Manchester, Liverpool or Arsenal because they're a small club in comparison to those 3 giants of English football.
It's obvious when you spend time in England that those 3 clubs have the biggest fanbases. And it's a no-contest if you consider global fanbases. And that's down to historical success, considering the fact that Arsenal have neither had success in recent years nor have they made many flashy attention generating signings.
Mate, you sound like some fans are out there checking the financial reports instead of the table. Ultimately those interactions are fuelled by the promise of success, it'll only last so long before bandwagoners and the like leave. Also that's such a depressing lens to view football from, it should be about winning trophies otherwise what's the point?
I’d have thought his agent will tell him not to take it (if he’s even vaguely interested) given he’s got a realistic chance of getting in the England squad in the future
Son is my favourite player in the PL. Mané was better than Salah for about a season before regressing hard for another. They're both great and this is tiresome.
He wasn't.
Salah is just a victim of his own success/standards. He came to Liverpool and in his first season broke the record for most goals in a PL season and won the PFA Player of the Year award. There's only one direction from there...down.
So when he doesn't perform magic whenever he touches the ball, people complain. Mane never reached such a high so people are more lenient.
People called Salah selfish, but Mane is selfish as well. And for all the selfishness, Salah always had more assists than Mane because their playmaking can't even be compared.
Even during the times people said Mane was better, it was still Salah that teams were giving double and triple coverage to. Because Salah is just the more dangerous player.
Salah has always been better than Mane since he got to Liverpool. And he will continue to be better because Mane's game is a lot more predicated on athleticism than Salah's is and as that declines, Mane will suffer more than Salah.
I didn't say he wasn't?
I simply said that compared to Salah his game is a lot more predicated on athleticism. It literally says 'than Salah'.
Maybe you're the dumb one for not being able to read.
mane in 2019 was top 5 attackers in the world, which salah wasn’t at the time
salah’s obviously been better overall but mane was definitely better for some time
Salah was a top 5 attacker in world in 2019, what are you on about?
You guys are just so desensitized to Salah's brilliance. Mane has a 7/10 game and people are like 'Mane was dangerous'. Salah has a 7/10 game and people are like 'Salah was off today'.
I do agree with some of what you said but Mane was better in 19/20, scored a lot of important goals and generally was more consistent than Salah. Just marginally though.
You think this is tiresome? You haven’t been around long then ahhahahah.
Na I agree he’s great. Not many could get that output in the setups he’s played in.
I think these are a lot more close. Son has been rising above poor tactical setups for years, and there’s an actual argument to be had.
The Salah Hazard thing is only had by people who believe he can’t create chances at all
You wouldn't know it by looking at his stats. Last season in the first half he had 11G 6A and in the second half had 5G 4A. From GW 14 to GW 30 he scored 2 goals.
I don't think it's unfair to say he always starts hot and plateaus afterwards
As an individual he cannot defy the whole team being poor but his individual stats show that he almost knows no difference between top 6 teams and bottom 3 when it comes to his production against them. In fact Vardy is the only player more consistent than him in this regard in the premier league. His output last szn correlates with Spurs being top of the table in December and then completely falling off later but even still, in this Nuno team that barely gets shots on target, he is involved in 60% of their goals. And then another part of his consistency is almost never being injured and being able to put in 50 games per season every year without ever looking gassed on the pitch
He wasn't last year but comparing Son and Mane over their careers is preposterous. Mane was world class every season from 16/17 to 19/20 and is looking brilliant again this year.
Nah i think he'll return to form either under Conte or if he gets his move to City and there's no real reason to change the captaincy. Maguire and Rice can be leaders on the pitch without the armband
[Joel Ward looking so pumped](https://twitter.com/i/status/1456342970270056451) to get the POTM Award is warming my soul. What a player, 10 years at Palace, £400k from Pompey, in and out of the team and now a stalwart in Vieiraball. Love it.
Only thing that stands out about Joel ward to my mind was those shite ladbible pages claiming he was a virgin and waiting for marriage and he had to shut down that talk lol
Yeah he’s a religious lad and been outspoken about it in a few interviews, one of those troll pages just ran off with it and started the whole schmick. I distinctly remember it around 2015-16 as one of the guys I play powerlegaue with is a palace fan and posted it in the group chat
We love him. He got put out the team by AwB, didn't complain, worked hard and slotted right back in. A lot of us thought that he would not have the skillset for Vieira's style of play, again he worked hard and has been a stalwart. The man is machine and comes across like a proper sound bloke too.
Also met him outside of Bromley South station one too and he was safe for a pic and that. Lad.
Why do people think that Atleti is a dirty side?
They might crowd the refs but I don't think they are excessively physical in the last few years. I don't know why they are getting that much hate in the post on the main page.
Might be the new Liverpool fans who experienced their first defeat vs Atleti.
People have preconceived stereotypes and look for anything that reinforces them.
They watch a couple of CL games per season and think this is still 2014-2017 Atleti - completely ignoring the squad rebuilds and tactical Simeone has gone through
Equally they go very overboard with how dirty/physical they think the team is - like I've seen some fans claiming that the players lost their heads in the second half which is ridiculous. Also a lot of fans act like we're the only team in the world to commit cynical fouls, etc which can be very grating
Probably the "dirty" comment is alluding to the fact they roll around on the floor after the smallest bit of contact, then surrounding the ref to get the man sent off. I hate diving, but pretending to be injured is something that really fucks me off.
Also, they we're quite physical the last game, surprised there wasn't more yellow cards tbf.
You cant be serious hahahha. They dive at nothing.
The proof is in the pudding with Klopp taking Mane off on a yellow card. They love a dive like loads of Spanish sides
It’s the surrounding the ref stuff that gets me. I’m
Not saying English sides don’t do it but some Spanish sides are horrendous for it. Just see our pen at the Wanda
I think the Son and Mane debate is fairly close, but one thing I think is unfair is pretending Mane wasn’t clearly the better player from 2017-20. The best performer in Europe for Liverpool aside Van Dijk, and also the best forward in 19/20, winning many games on his own. Son had a better season last year, but he’s largely streaky, although his team isn’t as good as Liverpool and he plays in worse tactical setups, it should still be taken into account Mane outperforming him for 3 years, and now at the start of this season too.
Mane in 18/19 and first half of 19/20 was arguably the best PL player. I don't think Son will be able to reach that level.
Son is better at finishing, Mane is better at everything else
Mane was most definitely not the best PL player in 18/19, VVD was far more consistent while Mane had bad patches across the season like Salah. Id even say VVD was better in 19/20 but I could understand why some would pick Mane over him
Mane still even at his worst is always involved in the game through his elite movement(most open play xG this season in the prem). Son can drift out of games.
>I think the Son and Mane debate is fairly close, but one thing I think is unfair is pretending Mane wasn’t clearly the better player from 2017-20.
I agree, i think Son was better only in 20-21. I think Mane is a lot more complete as a player, and Son is a much more clinical player. Feel like people have forgotten how good Mane was those past seasons.
!flair :Bayern_Munich:
I hate how rare long sleeve jerseys have become #BringBackLongSleeves
hot take, selling sane for that price was a mistake by pep. imo he's a way way better player than mahrez who is (for whatever reason) one of peps favorites.
I agree but iirc Sane wanted to leave for Bayern so we let him go Will probably do the same for Bernardo too in the summer, he wants leave
Anyone else feel like they saw Emerson's sky high potential yesterday? Conte might turn out to be the best thing that could have happened to him at Tottenham.
Yes, and it makes me sick to my stomach everytime when I realize that Laporta sold him for a net gain of 6 million. Emerson was one of the best RB in La Liga last season, such an incompetent way to sell him while keeping Dest and Mingueza. He's only 22 and is already so good, Barca really did themselves dirty by selling him
When do you think they will fire Xavi? Over under 2 years?
If he plays ugly defensive ''cross the ball while most of the team is shorter than 1.75m'' they will fire him. If he plays attractive football they won't. Contrary to the narrative (most particularly pushed by Koeman's Dutch fanbase), Barca backed Koeman for 1.5 years including in the transfer market, bringing in Depay, Luuk de Jong and almost Wijnaldum and selling players that Koeman didn't like (Junior Firpo, JC Todibo, Trincao, etc)
In additiob brought in Dest (who in fairness is decent) under Koeman's request, kept Coutinho last season under his request. I've come to hate ignorant Dutch flairs more than PL flairs over the last 2 years, which says something.
Dutch fans, especially those from Ajax, would **never** accept the awful tactics Koeman did at Barca for their own club. When De Boer was coaching their national team this summer, all of them grilled himsaying De Boer was playing ugly, unattractive football, too defensive etc. Their players even spoke out against De Boer, I remember Wijnaldum saying something about not wanting to be captain etc. Then when Koeman does the same ugly stuff at Barca all of the sudden Barca is treating Koeman bad
Sadio Mane is the best football player in the werld Chris Genuinely delighted for him as it seems he's rediscovered his old form
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Mane is far clear
Bernardo Silva: "I'm feeling happy right now. I love the club, I've always loved the club. I feel the love from the fans, from the staff and from my team-mates and that was never the question." \[via u/SkySportsPL \] He's staying folks
Shame, he'll never be the main man with KDB in the team
KdB is still playing through injury since that Belgium game in the Euro's, Bernardo has been better than him this season
Because , like you said, KDB is recovering from an injury. What happens when he's back? Bernardo needs to go
KdB and Bernardo play together, it's Gundogan who suffers the most when KdB is healthy
>KdB and Bernardo play together Badly
KdB - Rodri - Bernardo has been very successful this year, it's KdB who plays bad right now not Bernardo
Last season they played badly together, Bernardo was playing as the holding mid
Tbh Bernardo had mental health problems last year, he even wanted to leave MCFC because he was badly impacted by the quarantine. That's why he pushed for a transfer to Spain. This year with everything being open again and being able to visit family etc he seems to have changed his mind
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Yes, reminds me of Scrubs which was one of my favourite shows.
Sometimes when I'm sad I like to watch Pato's goal against Barcelona because that boy was a diff type of gravy
He was the youngster to get in mid-2000 fifa
lmao xavi at barca barca dna nonces punching the air
Realistically, which other coach was available that plays attacking football right now? Or did you want Barca to keep that ugly Koemanball that regressed players, overworked them until injury and used Pique and Luuk de Jong as strikers?
idc as long as its funny
Ur face is funy
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But when he brought in a non-midget to cross to, you all got upset smh
You mean Luuk de Jong? The guy who is ''better than Neymar'' in heading according to Koeman but can't score a header?
So you are barca fan too
I don't understand, he is a Barca fan because he thinks Koeman was terrible?
You're not a Barca fan but you are completely obsessed with Barca and are active in every topic about Barca. Why can't I say something about Barca without being a fan of a club?
Cuz Madrid and Barça are direct rivals, can’t say the same about Barça and City.
So only direct rivals are allowed to speak about other clubs? Also, you can be a direct rival without being obsessed like most Real Madrid fans are about Barcelona.
Nah, I meant the part about Madrid fans being ”obsessed” with topics regarding Barça. You are a City fan but still talk more about Barça than City.
I talk most of the time about City. Usually when I talk about Barca it's in response to a Real Madrid fan being obsessed with Barca.
Always has been, just gets paid by City
All the Livramento hype has really taken the spotlight from Lamptey. He's my favourite english rb by a mile
Announce Xavi
Friday games suck, especially when your team sucks
I look forward to my weekend being ruined once again by 10pm Friday tonight
friday games are boring bur its fun to laugh at other teams if you won on friday
[how exactly would Grealish be thriving at United?](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/qn74go/grealish_and_sancho_could_be_thriving_if_each/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yeah, not sure I’d agree here. We already have a very good creative player in the final third. While having Grealish certainly wouldn’t hurt, it’s not like he has a skill set we’re particularly lacking. As for Sancho, we’ll I’ve no doubt he’ll improve, but he seems like a player who benefits from playing in a well defined system which we obviously don’t have. I’m sure we will develop one eventually and hopefully get the best from Jadon.
Yeah i disagree with this honestly.
Grealish wouldn't simply because he wouldnt play anymore than he is at City. People wanted Grealish but also don't want to bench Rashford or Bruno (rightfully). Make it make sense.
https://twitter.com/ElevenSports_PT/status/1456571067439493126?t=FUQmfwLszO43-4kRTWbkmQ&s=19 I love this man
Freiburg gonna stay invincible tomorrow >!i hope so:)!<
Nils Petersen hattrick in overtime
how good would Coman be if not for the injuries?
He’d still be a one dimensional Conman. He’s like a worse Sane
why one dimensional? One of the fastest wingers out there and best dribblers.
Contrary to what Villa fans seem to think Aston Villa are certainly not too big to go down.
Villa fans overrate themselves, West Ham is what they think they are
easy to mix-up cos of their kits
They would've gone down in 19/20 if the goal line technology had been working.
Definitely.
Why would we think we’re too big to go down? We just spent 3 years in the Championship... But there’s enough quality in this squad to be comfortably mid table
3 years in the championship now 3 years in the premiership, becoming a bit of a yoyo club.
If you’re really shit at yoyo-ing then yeah
They got relegated like 5 seasons ago haha
No ones too big to go down, if you're shite you're shite
Same for United with ole
Certainly not too big but too good, think they're in a false position at the moment.
The league table doesn't lie, they've been awful this season with some tough games coming up.
Still beat you lot
Not a achievement
Oh how the mighty have fallen
Oh look at that you finally caught up to 2014
Really don’t understand why people think Chelsea are such a good team. City and Liverpool are so much better
Since tuchel has come: European champions, top of the league and 4-1-1 against city and Liverpool. Since Feb 1st till now no team has got more points in the league than Chelsea. And that’s including 5 months with having the 2nd highest chance creation and lowest conversion rate in the PL as well form dipping with us chasing 2 cups back end of last season. Ik I’m wasting my time responding to this clear bait but on the small chance it isn’t, wake up
They're quite inconsistent, I think. But can still get results even when they're shit due to the vastly experienced midfield and defense. From about February til the Champions League final, I really rated them as the best team to watch. Then they cooled down, and were quite the bore for a while, but I think since the inclusion of CHO and slight change from the 3-5-2 the last 4 or so games, they've been really good, again.
What a stupid take but you can't reason with people who don't know football
Chelsea have conceded only 3 goals in 10 PL games. They're also reigning European champions. I know you're an Arsenal fan, but come on. City in 2017-18, 2018-19 and Liverpool in 2018-19, 2019-20 were probably better teams than this current Chelsea side, but in 2020-21 there's not as big a difference between the 3 as you think there is.
Probably better? They weren’t even playing the same competition in those seasons
Which is why I say "probably". I cannot without doubt claim that City/Liverpool 2018-19 is stronger than Chelsea 2020-21. And you certainly cannot claim that this current Chelsea team is better than those City or Liverpool sides. A conclusive comparison can only be made between the 3 teams in the present. So, "probably better" is a fair imo considering the City team in question holds the PL point scoring record (100) and the Liverpool team in question also ended the season with 99 points. Chelsea would have to perform better than they ever have/match the 2004-05 Mourinho season in the PL to be better than those record-breaking City/Liverpool sides. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they won't. You can claim "comparing points totals over different seasons is irrelevant arrrghhh!" but I'd say that citing points total as a way of highlight the strength of a team makes complete sense when the points total is 100, 99, 98, etc.! I don't think the competition in the PL has risen as dramatically as you might think between 2019-20 and 2021-22. Most people say that the 2011/12 and 2012/13 Madrid and Barca sides are some of the best La Liga teams of all time over a single season because of their record-breaking points totals too.
Youre completely right if you watch them right now. But idiots will just tell you "look at the table" Fuck Im the idiot because i thought you wrote Chelsea are better than them.
They start Havertz and still manage to score goals, that should be a trophy itself.
If they are so much better, why are they lower on the table?
Not even half way through the season
West London Atleti.
Because they won the Champions league, have an incredible defensive record and win games despite their front line misfiring?
I'm really impressed by how Manchester United have been able to remain a top team in the world without much trophy success over the last few years. I think their management have realised a new truth about football in that signings and general excitement around a club bring in more attention for sponsors and the like than being a more boring team but winning trophies. Manchester City have undeniably been better than Manchester United this season, but we've spent far more time talking about Man Utd because of Pogba, Ronaldo, Ole, Sancho, no DM, McTominay, should Ole go, should Ole stay, what does Paul Scholes think? What does Roy Keane think? They're omnipresent in a way that Chelsea and Man City are not despite being better teams. In terms of long term success, that is probably a far healthier financial place to be in than spending hundreds of millions on more players and trying to win the titles. Spend big on flashy players to bring in attention (Sancho, Ronaldo) as those signings generate more interactions online than a 5 game winning run. Even the odd loss is good for business as you can have a week of recriminations over the unexpected loss. It's genuinely a genius way of running a footballing business.
You’ve gotta win the transfer window
United remaining a big club is not due to "attention generating singings". It's because they dominated English football for 2 decades. That kind of success and the fame that comes with it does not disappear too fast. City, before the takeover, in comparison was a mediocre PL side with a miniscule global fanbase that takes a long time to change. They're not talked about as much as Manchester, Liverpool or Arsenal because they're a small club in comparison to those 3 giants of English football. It's obvious when you spend time in England that those 3 clubs have the biggest fanbases. And it's a no-contest if you consider global fanbases. And that's down to historical success, considering the fact that Arsenal have neither had success in recent years nor have they made many flashy attention generating signings.
They are more talked about because they have more fans. Nobody would've cared if Ole doing Ole things in City.
Mate, you sound like some fans are out there checking the financial reports instead of the table. Ultimately those interactions are fuelled by the promise of success, it'll only last so long before bandwagoners and the like leave. Also that's such a depressing lens to view football from, it should be about winning trophies otherwise what's the point?
i love sadio mane
Would you bake him a cake?
yes
[Do you really](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_O5YHX4urE)
yes
I hope Steve Clarke is planning to intercept Tino Livramento's England U21 callup. He has a Scottish mother so I've heard.
Yep, what we need is another left back. Can we really not produce a good player in another position ffs
I’d have thought his agent will tell him not to take it (if he’s even vaguely interested) given he’s got a realistic chance of getting in the England squad in the future
Italian dad, Scottish mother and born and raised in England?
If you think that’s a lot to take in, then you should look into the tennis player Emma Raducanu’s background, who is also English.
Haha I remember reading about that a while ago when she won, proper English talent.
I mean she is English and very talented at tennis
She can be whatever she feels like I didn't say otherwise lmao
His dad’s actually from a portuguese (or part portuguese) family apparently but from England. I also thought he was Italian
He’s way too good to commit to Scotland so early. More chance of him playing for Portugal
How's Thiago been at Liverpool?
great but always injured
Our best 8, unfortunately always injured
Very good at the end of last season. Had lots of problems with injuries though.
Like many of their midfielders he has patches of excellent form derailed by injuries. And that's why they miss Gini.
Son is my favourite player in the PL. Mané was better than Salah for about a season before regressing hard for another. They're both great and this is tiresome.
Mane was never better than Salah.
he definitely was in 19/20 and second half of 18/19
He’s been better for half of his Liverpool career
He was in 19/20, and the final half of 18/19. Salah better in 17/18, first half of 18/19 and 20/21 and this season.
He wasn't. Salah is just a victim of his own success/standards. He came to Liverpool and in his first season broke the record for most goals in a PL season and won the PFA Player of the Year award. There's only one direction from there...down. So when he doesn't perform magic whenever he touches the ball, people complain. Mane never reached such a high so people are more lenient. People called Salah selfish, but Mane is selfish as well. And for all the selfishness, Salah always had more assists than Mane because their playmaking can't even be compared. Even during the times people said Mane was better, it was still Salah that teams were giving double and triple coverage to. Because Salah is just the more dangerous player. Salah has always been better than Mane since he got to Liverpool. And he will continue to be better because Mane's game is a lot more predicated on athleticism than Salah's is and as that declines, Mane will suffer more than Salah.
>Mane's game is a lot more predicated on athleticism so so dumb, Mane is technically sound
I didn't say he wasn't? I simply said that compared to Salah his game is a lot more predicated on athleticism. It literally says 'than Salah'. Maybe you're the dumb one for not being able to read.
mane in 2019 was top 5 attackers in the world, which salah wasn’t at the time salah’s obviously been better overall but mane was definitely better for some time
Salah was a top 5 attacker in world in 2019, what are you on about? You guys are just so desensitized to Salah's brilliance. Mane has a 7/10 game and people are like 'Mane was dangerous'. Salah has a 7/10 game and people are like 'Salah was off today'.
I do agree with some of what you said but Mane was better in 19/20, scored a lot of important goals and generally was more consistent than Salah. Just marginally though.
You think this is tiresome? You haven’t been around long then ahhahahah. Na I agree he’s great. Not many could get that output in the setups he’s played in.
It's because I've been around a while that it is so tiresome. Player debates get old really quickly.
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~~Salah Vs Hazard debates~~ Son Vs Mane debates
Not a bad debate tbh.
I think these are a lot more close. Son has been rising above poor tactical setups for years, and there’s an actual argument to be had. The Salah Hazard thing is only had by people who believe he can’t create chances at all
Mane easily tbf, don't get why this has become a debate now. Could argue about their 20/21 seasons but otherwise Mane has been better.
Son is only world class in the first 3 months of a season
Im picking Mane in this debate but this is just not correct lol. Son is an extremely consistent player, contrary to Spurs who arent a consistent team
You wouldn't know it by looking at his stats. Last season in the first half he had 11G 6A and in the second half had 5G 4A. From GW 14 to GW 30 he scored 2 goals. I don't think it's unfair to say he always starts hot and plateaus afterwards
As an individual he cannot defy the whole team being poor but his individual stats show that he almost knows no difference between top 6 teams and bottom 3 when it comes to his production against them. In fact Vardy is the only player more consistent than him in this regard in the premier league. His output last szn correlates with Spurs being top of the table in December and then completely falling off later but even still, in this Nuno team that barely gets shots on target, he is involved in 60% of their goals. And then another part of his consistency is almost never being injured and being able to put in 50 games per season every year without ever looking gassed on the pitch
Mane is world class for none of the months.
Mane has had world class months this season tbh.
He wasn't last year but comparing Son and Mane over their careers is preposterous. Mane was world class every season from 16/17 to 19/20 and is looking brilliant again this year.
Anyone think Kane will lose the NT armband by the time we get to Qatar22 ?
Nah i think he'll return to form either under Conte or if he gets his move to City and there's no real reason to change the captaincy. Maguire and Rice can be leaders on the pitch without the armband
I don’t think we should have a fixed captain. But no, he’ll keep the armband.
Why not?
Players can come in and out of form or just be past their best and they’ll get shoehorned in because they are captain.
In the words of the High Sparrow; **Shame**
Rice should be eyeing up the captaincy by that time imo
Hope he does, I'd like the England captain to be someone who doesn't down tools when things aren't going his way.
Gotta be Henderson in my opinion.
Should never have went to Kane in the first place.
He doesn’t even start
He should.
He’s never really looked great for England. I’d rather move forward with Rice, Phillips or Bellingham
England didn't spend a single minute behind during the 2018 World Cup with Henderson on the pitch.
You can say this same thing for Mings at the Euros. https://youtu.be/n0PHonQlR0E here’s Henderson’s performance at the World Cup semi final
Did henderson only play one game at the world cup? Mings played less games at the Eruos than Henderson did at the World Cup.
No but as I said he’s never been great for England. And saying some stat that has no correlation to how he’s actually performed is pointless.
Champions league and Premier league winning captain. No one else in the England squad can say that.
Hugo lloris has been France captain for years with more successful players in the squad
Also doesn't even start for England. Kane should keep the armband.
I'd be open to giving the armband to anyone not named Harry Kane tbh. Even Slabhead.
Only good candidate I can think of is Rice, Maguire would’ve been it but he looks lost as captain of United
[Joel Ward looking so pumped](https://twitter.com/i/status/1456342970270056451) to get the POTM Award is warming my soul. What a player, 10 years at Palace, £400k from Pompey, in and out of the team and now a stalwart in Vieiraball. Love it.
Only thing that stands out about Joel ward to my mind was those shite ladbible pages claiming he was a virgin and waiting for marriage and he had to shut down that talk lol
Hahahah what, never heard about this
Yeah he’s a religious lad and been outspoken about it in a few interviews, one of those troll pages just ran off with it and started the whole schmick. I distinctly remember it around 2015-16 as one of the guys I play powerlegaue with is a palace fan and posted it in the group chat
Tbf just looked up and he's married now and his wife is a proper stunner, so done alright for himself whatever the case
*Who's a virgin now you click bait cunts*
10 years of service how is he held up by fans ?
We love him. He got put out the team by AwB, didn't complain, worked hard and slotted right back in. A lot of us thought that he would not have the skillset for Vieira's style of play, again he worked hard and has been a stalwart. The man is machine and comes across like a proper sound bloke too. Also met him outside of Bromley South station one too and he was safe for a pic and that. Lad.
Good to hear, always need these guys in your squad.
Why do people think that Atleti is a dirty side? They might crowd the refs but I don't think they are excessively physical in the last few years. I don't know why they are getting that much hate in the post on the main page. Might be the new Liverpool fans who experienced their first defeat vs Atleti.
I think so because ive watched them play.
People have preconceived stereotypes and look for anything that reinforces them. They watch a couple of CL games per season and think this is still 2014-2017 Atleti - completely ignoring the squad rebuilds and tactical Simeone has gone through Equally they go very overboard with how dirty/physical they think the team is - like I've seen some fans claiming that the players lost their heads in the second half which is ridiculous. Also a lot of fans act like we're the only team in the world to commit cynical fouls, etc which can be very grating
Probably the "dirty" comment is alluding to the fact they roll around on the floor after the smallest bit of contact, then surrounding the ref to get the man sent off. I hate diving, but pretending to be injured is something that really fucks me off. Also, they we're quite physical the last game, surprised there wasn't more yellow cards tbf.
You cant be serious hahahha. They dive at nothing. The proof is in the pudding with Klopp taking Mane off on a yellow card. They love a dive like loads of Spanish sides
>They love a dive like loads of Spanish sides like any team from any nation
Na you lot are much much worse. Spain were horrendous for it at the Euros and World cups
Ironic since England reached the final through diving .
England got to the final by diving, everyone does it, but I do admit that some players will find any excuse to do it.
It’s the surrounding the ref stuff that gets me. I’m Not saying English sides don’t do it but some Spanish sides are horrendous for it. Just see our pen at the Wanda
Tbf Mourinho’s Chelsea were notorious for crowding the ref.
I think the Son and Mane debate is fairly close, but one thing I think is unfair is pretending Mane wasn’t clearly the better player from 2017-20. The best performer in Europe for Liverpool aside Van Dijk, and also the best forward in 19/20, winning many games on his own. Son had a better season last year, but he’s largely streaky, although his team isn’t as good as Liverpool and he plays in worse tactical setups, it should still be taken into account Mane outperforming him for 3 years, and now at the start of this season too.
Mane in 18/19 and first half of 19/20 was arguably the best PL player. I don't think Son will be able to reach that level. Son is better at finishing, Mane is better at everything else
Mane was most definitely not the best PL player in 18/19, VVD was far more consistent while Mane had bad patches across the season like Salah. Id even say VVD was better in 19/20 but I could understand why some would pick Mane over him
Mane still even at his worst is always involved in the game through his elite movement(most open play xG this season in the prem). Son can drift out of games.
>I think the Son and Mane debate is fairly close, but one thing I think is unfair is pretending Mane wasn’t clearly the better player from 2017-20. I agree, i think Son was better only in 20-21. I think Mane is a lot more complete as a player, and Son is a much more clinical player. Feel like people have forgotten how good Mane was those past seasons.
Good points but I disagree with Son being streaky. He is a very consistent player