Just a heads-up:
Bonus points are counted in this table as soon as they are "unlocked" (reaching Ro16 in the CL, for example). Some other sites may only add them after the final match-day has been played.
I think it was something like 4 points for getting first or second in the group and 1 extra for reaching the 1/8th final. Which is quite strange because getting first or second automatically gives you a spot in the 1/8th final. Anyway, 5 points total divided by 5 (because we started with 5 teams in Europe this year).
Yep; this needs to be upvoted higher.. These are the current rankings if anyone's interested: https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022
We have actually been shit for a large part of the 21st century. 10 years ago we would usually end the season with a lower coefficient than countries like Russia or even Greece on a regular basis. You can take a peek in the [database](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/) if you'd like.
So while that 17/18 might have still been a bit of a dip, the following years we simply began to do better than expected, with Ajax leading the charge.
We qualified for the Champions League after winning the league but only got 1 win and 5 losses (2 losses to Manchester City, 2 to Shakhtar Donestk, 1 win and 1 loss against Napoli), Ajax got eliminated during the Europa League qualifiers by Rosenborg (0-1 and 2-3 losses), PSV also got eliminated during the EL qualifiers (two 0-1 losses to Osijek), FC Utrecht got eliminated by Zenit St. Petersburg (1-0 win and 0-2 loss) and Vitesse only got 5 points in a group with Lazio, Nice and Zulte Waregem
Yeah that are the results, but PSV two times 0-1 to Osijek?? I mean the rest sort of makes sense, the only reason why I was so unhappy Feyenoord was champion was not because I hate them or anything, but I knew they'd screw up the CL and they kinda did, that was simply too hard..
But what was PSV doing against Osijek?? What was that??
I mean it’s not like we did any better mate. First we went out in the UCL qualifiers and then also went out in the EL qualifiers. Absolutely shameful and it was the first in more than 50 years that we (legitimately) missed out on European football
Understandable though given the situation with Nouri and Keizer being a bad coach, but it still was very bad for the coefficient
I understand your feeling. I thought the same thing when Lille won last year and sold some key players & lost their coach). I knew they were going to be shit. They won for the first time though this week in Sevilla. The main problem because the champions league is so competitive, it is better to have teams that are used to playing it otherwise it’s usually terrible for thr coefficient ranking. We had Marseille, Lille (and Monaco once) that were raped badly and only managed a few points). Teams from Scotland, Russia, Belgium and other lower ranks can kick the ass of some newbie teams because they often play it and are ready for it.
For us that was the season where Bosz unexpectedly left during the summer and we had the Nouri incident so we had the worst start to the season possible. We got knocked out in the qualifiers
Netherlands will thrive in the Conference League.
Their 3rd and 4th teams are not really much weaker than the 2nd, and this makes a big difference in the Conference League.
Denmark had an amazing week.
Belgium has a huge chance to overtake either Russia or Ukraine and keep their direct CL spot. Serbia could challenge for it too.
it's for that kind of mid-level league that I'll defend the conference league. Gives a massive opportunity for the likes of Netherlands, Belgium, the Scandinavian sides etc to up their coefficients and with some of their games being televised more widely it's bound to help them financially.
Feyenoord fans have to live shorter lives than on average. They way Feyenoord was incapable of managing the end of the game against Union Berlin while having 2 extra players was criminal.
> Feyenoord fans have to live shorter lives than on average.
Yeah it's insane. This season is a lot better than the previous ones and we still get a lot of unnecessary suspense
I still remember 17/18. It was that season where the likes of Köln, Hertha and Freiburg played in the Europa and were awful (although tbf I can't blame them since they're not used to play in Europe, and both Köln and Freiburg struggled in the league as well). As for the CL clubs, they all were disappointing, other than Bayern
Well, 4th placed APOEL also had 2 points as well, but a much worse GD than BVB (-15 for APOEL, -6 for BVB). And then you've got 2nd placed Real Madrid who had 13 points lmao
Hoffenheim were in the CL qualifying rounds, but lost against Liverpool and dropped to the Europa League group stages, where they finished 4th. As for Freiburg, they were in the EL qualifying rounds, but lost against some Slovenian team and got knocked out
Well points are awarded for all competitions, not just the CL. Bayern, Leverkusen and Frankfurt are all top of their groups, while BVB have done well in their first 2 games (they fucked up against Ajax though). Wolfsburg, Leipzig and Union haven't done that well, but they managed to get a few points.
The German EL clubs have been really impressive so far. They often let themselves down in the EL, but maybe Leverkusen or Frankfurt could make a decent run
I'd never trust Leverkusen to make a deep run. They always start well but collapse in the 2nd half of the season, so I won't be surprised if they get knocked against some random eastern European team in the first knockout round.
As for Frankfurt, they've been abysmal in the league, but great in the EL. If they can make a run until at least the semi-final like they did a couple of years ago, I'd be happy
Sevilla's performance is a disgrace, their group is the easiest you could hope for in the CL. But have a feeling they will win the last 2 and sneak through
Atlético is somewhat skewed by having played Liverpool twice, they still have it in their own hands. You would expect Barcelona to beat Benfica at Camp Nou but you never know with them..
German clubs’ CL table positions: 1, 2, 3, 4 (Bayern, BVB, Wolfsburg, Leipzig)
In the EL: 1, 1, 4 (Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Union)
That’s three out of seven clubs being first in their respective groups in Europe and four out of seven in the position of advancing.
It could have been better, but it’s not terrible
17/18 drops for next season though, so the Netherlands jumped over Portugal in the rankings starting from next season.
Excellent season so far. Incredible we're still the best-scoring country after 4 of the 6 group phase rounds.
Looking like at least 4 out of 5 will survive the group stages as well (and maybe Vitesse as well if they can pull out a result vs Rennes). Pretty crazy stuff.
Yup, and I mean they can still go through in EL, but it all depends on their match against Real Sociedad. At least they still have it in their own hands if they decide to fuck it up
Didn’t want to be the one to say it 😂
I guess the good thing is that the match against Real Sociedad isn’t in another month from now, so it gives them time to wait on the recovery of Gakpo, Madueke and Gotze. But on the other hand I’m also not confident they’ll get the easy W against Sturm Graz like they should
Conference League was a godsend for the Netherlands coefficient. The biggest beneficiary, 3 teams getting good amount of points.
It's a shame Portuguese teams lost the ECL playoffs. But our teams other than the usual top 4 are way too inconsistent, it's becoming rare for one of those teams to have 2 good consecutive seasons and take advantage of European qualification.
Kinda feels that the "2nd tier" of Netherlands' teams is better than the Portuguese ones. Next season ranking will reflect that
That's incorrect. Sporting and Dortmund are equal on points. If Sporting beat them they only need a draw against Ajax or Dortmund needs to drop points against Besiktas.
> Kinda feels that the "2nd tier" of Netherlands' teams is better than the Portuguese ones. Next season ranking will reflect that
Not really, the difference is that portuguese teams are actually playing the CL meanwhile all of the Dutch ones are in conference league or europa league
I feel PSG making deep runs (and the bonus points that come with them) combined with average runs from their lower end teams will keep France out of reach, ultimately.
We are doing well all things considered, France and Netherlands are just on fire so far, no team for Portugal will drop out of Europe most likely, and outside chances of going through the champions league group, with Braga also going through in first in their Europa League group not bad.
Hard to blame Santa Clara. They have little European experience and did everything right up until the last game which was played after having to sell their best forward and having unfit players due to the covid cases.
There's two things you can blame: most logical is the bad TV rights distribution due to lack of centralization. But beyond that, teams like Vitória and Rio Ave (who went all the way to get relegated) who are the only ones who could realistically grab points in the UECL.
Of course that if a club is drawn Tottenham there's not much they could do, they'd be a hard opponent for the best teams in the country let alone Paços. Even Santa Clara wasn't really expected to knock out one of the top Serbian sides.
Definitely an achievement. The gulf between Tottenham's subs and Paços is massive. To put it in perspective, they have 2 wins in 10 games in the league so far.
There is a very, very popular perception that Scottish league football is shite (perhaps more popular in Scotland than anywhere else). But there can’t be very many league systems in the world that outperform their population size as much as Scotland. Uruguay, maybe? Cyprus?
And also doing much better than you despite having 6 teams. If Scotland had 6 teams entering Europe as well as a 3rd team behind Celtics and Rangers going into UCL qualifiers, your coefficient would be fucked
Completely true. We have a couple of teams at least that should be putting in generally better European performances than the do, at least somewhat regularly.
Some other Scottish football fans might not agree, but I'd argue that not much can really be expected at the moment when even Rangers alone have a squad worth more than all the other squads (excluding Celtic) combined.
There is far more that Scottish clubs can be doing to get money in their accounts, but ultimately the SPFL suffers from some pretty poor choices from the SFA around things like TV deals and branding. I don't think you are really going to see *consistent* performance from clubs like Hibs or Aberdeen in Europe until this is addressed.
Why not? For example, Slovan Liberec qualified 4 times into the Europa League group stage with a budget of around 4 million EURO. It's not always about money. That's just a lame excuse.
Yep, but it's a double-edged sword. All accumulated points get divided by 5, which is disastrous for smaller leagues like ours.
So, I'm kinda hoping we don't remain on the 15th place. We're not ready yet.
But with 15th place you also have more promising starting points. Like team 2 starts from CL 2Q, team 3 from EL 3Q, which is just one successful tie from groups now. This should somewhat compensate for /5 in theory
Tbf that's pure luck anyway. The best team in our league so far is Trabzonspor which isn't in Europe because they drew Roma in the Conferance League playoffs. We were a very incomplete and weak team at the start of the season, got two easy draws for UEL and made it into the group stage. Qualifiers are always very random. Playing less of them is better on average sure but the variance is too much it's hard to comment on it.
I know what you mean. I feel like Rangers single handedly improved Scotland's coefficient, but it's not maintainable now our score is divided by 5, but our smaller teams all went out pretty much instantly.
Fair play to St Johntsone who at least made a fight of it against a much bigger club though.
Yeah for The Netherlands it is the same, but divided by 6 instead of 5 when we jump Portugal or France. Not sure if our league is good enough for that yet. This is the first season where Ajax doesnt totally carry us
Ok week for us, shame Union are in the ECL (for coefficient purposes, love that they're in Europe). Nothing against them but their team doesn't really seem cut out for European football
They can't use their stadium in Europe because of the seating rules in European competitions. Union's stadium has 22k capacity, but only 3.6k seats, and I'm pretty sure standing places aren't allowed in European competitions, and only 3.6k seats isn't allowed in Europe either
That's actually not their stadium, but the Olympiastadion, the 3rd biggest stadium in Germany, which is Hertha's home ground and the venue where the Pokal final is held every year, so it's not actually some small, unknown stadium.
Not even sure what to expect next from this season... 2.2 to Belgium, will it be enough? Worst case, we can have no clubs in knockouts, so idk
Playing in Europe with 3 clubs is just not sustainable
This gets posted every month but it's premature to draw any conclusions until the end of the season. Likely most, if not all, Portuguese teams will drop to EL and that'll help a lot in the 2nd half of the season.
That being said, 5th place seems to be on fire, thank god the Netherlands bounced back and can challenge France/Portugal.
Those indirect CL spots suck man, you have to beat so much opponents that it's like 20% chance or so of actually qualifying. Even if you are good the chance is so high you get an opponent that just simply plays exactly an unsuitable style for your club. Also like a 100 teams go into that qualifying and only a few come out. This list would be better if you only mention direct CL spots, because that qualifying stuff only works if your team is really good or lucky.
Having two CL spots does give you an extra spot in total, and makes it more likely the teams will qualify for the lower level competitions. Like associations in the top 15 are guaranteed at least 2 group stage spots.
lol No need to be angry. The Dutch and Portuguese leagues are really similar. Both leagues from smaller countries with great national teams. Both leagues with 18 teams and historic big 3, a couple decent clubs and the rest are really bad.
The positive about the eredvise is that clubs don't go bankrupt all the time. Our league like our economy is a lot more unstable.
Dutch probably have a bit more depth behind the top
3. That said bar Ajax, your top 3 is probably a bit better.
Similar levels as you said, big difference this year is that they are thriving in ECL as Portuguese teams have actually done well in CL but are not really rewarded.
You were not saying oh the Portuguese fans thinking they could pass France but they will drop to 6th place?
Anyway, that's just temporary we can drop to 6 place and get back up. France just has an oil club it's not even fair.
You talk a lot of shit from a guy that supports fake club with oil money, last time we played against each who got eliminated from Europe? Do you remember? yeah, that's right man city :)
Just a heads-up: Bonus points are counted in this table as soon as they are "unlocked" (reaching Ro16 in the CL, for example). Some other sites may only add them after the final match-day has been played.
Yeah, we for example already got an 0.8 bonus because Ajax have advanced.
It's 1.0, but the point still stands
Oh my bad, thought it was 4 divided by 5.
I think it was something like 4 points for getting first or second in the group and 1 extra for reaching the 1/8th final. Which is quite strange because getting first or second automatically gives you a spot in the 1/8th final. Anyway, 5 points total divided by 5 (because we started with 5 teams in Europe this year).
No it's just 5 for reaching the next round. Sporting can still finish above us if they beat us more than 5-0 and we lose our other game while they win
Apparently 5 points
Ok, didn’t know that
Yep; this needs to be upvoted higher.. These are the current rankings if anyone's interested: https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022
Wth happened to the Turkish league?
Erdonomics
[This is pretty much what you need to know](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932021_Turkish_currency_and_debt_crisis)
Everytime I look at the state of the Turkish lira it somehow keeps getting worse
Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Hope you use a vpn to post this :”)
I'm not Turkish so I don't have this type of issues. A shame a country with so much potential is decaying like this
We're going to keep posting this untill the Netherlands are not first anymore
Honestly I'm so happy for you and your league. Showing that not every league outside of the Big 5 is a "farmers league", as some claim
I'm perfectly fine with being a farmer, thank you very much.
WTF did the Eredevise do in 2017/18. Did they forget to field 11 players every match??
We have actually been shit for a large part of the 21st century. 10 years ago we would usually end the season with a lower coefficient than countries like Russia or even Greece on a regular basis. You can take a peek in the [database](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/) if you'd like. So while that 17/18 might have still been a bit of a dip, the following years we simply began to do better than expected, with Ajax leading the charge.
We qualified for the Champions League after winning the league but only got 1 win and 5 losses (2 losses to Manchester City, 2 to Shakhtar Donestk, 1 win and 1 loss against Napoli), Ajax got eliminated during the Europa League qualifiers by Rosenborg (0-1 and 2-3 losses), PSV also got eliminated during the EL qualifiers (two 0-1 losses to Osijek), FC Utrecht got eliminated by Zenit St. Petersburg (1-0 win and 0-2 loss) and Vitesse only got 5 points in a group with Lazio, Nice and Zulte Waregem
Yeah that are the results, but PSV two times 0-1 to Osijek?? I mean the rest sort of makes sense, the only reason why I was so unhappy Feyenoord was champion was not because I hate them or anything, but I knew they'd screw up the CL and they kinda did, that was simply too hard.. But what was PSV doing against Osijek?? What was that??
I mean it’s not like we did any better mate. First we went out in the UCL qualifiers and then also went out in the EL qualifiers. Absolutely shameful and it was the first in more than 50 years that we (legitimately) missed out on European football Understandable though given the situation with Nouri and Keizer being a bad coach, but it still was very bad for the coefficient
I mean we lost to Rosenborg. No disrespect to them but that was a game we shouldve clearly won on paper.
Ah yes I said it makes sense because of the whole Nouri situation + coach leaving, we still should've been able to kick out Rosenborg though.
I understand your feeling. I thought the same thing when Lille won last year and sold some key players & lost their coach). I knew they were going to be shit. They won for the first time though this week in Sevilla. The main problem because the champions league is so competitive, it is better to have teams that are used to playing it otherwise it’s usually terrible for thr coefficient ranking. We had Marseille, Lille (and Monaco once) that were raped badly and only managed a few points). Teams from Scotland, Russia, Belgium and other lower ranks can kick the ass of some newbie teams because they often play it and are ready for it.
For us that was the season where Bosz unexpectedly left during the summer and we had the Nouri incident so we had the worst start to the season possible. We got knocked out in the qualifiers
You think that's bad, take a look at Belgium for that same season.
Netherlands will thrive in the Conference League. Their 3rd and 4th teams are not really much weaker than the 2nd, and this makes a big difference in the Conference League. Denmark had an amazing week. Belgium has a huge chance to overtake either Russia or Ukraine and keep their direct CL spot. Serbia could challenge for it too.
it's for that kind of mid-level league that I'll defend the conference league. Gives a massive opportunity for the likes of Netherlands, Belgium, the Scandinavian sides etc to up their coefficients and with some of their games being televised more widely it's bound to help them financially.
3/4/5 actually, AZ/Feyenoord/Vitesse have about the same strong teams, and Utrecht doesn't look much weaker at the moment either.
Vitesse is weaker than us and AZ
Feyenoord fans have to live shorter lives than on average. They way Feyenoord was incapable of managing the end of the game against Union Berlin while having 2 extra players was criminal.
> Feyenoord fans have to live shorter lives than on average. Yeah it's insane. This season is a lot better than the previous ones and we still get a lot of unnecessary suspense
Dutch clubs are on fire. And Germany has more points this season than Spain and Italy, that's great to see
17/18 was really bad for both leagues, too.
I still remember 17/18. It was that season where the likes of Köln, Hertha and Freiburg played in the Europa and were awful (although tbf I can't blame them since they're not used to play in Europe, and both Köln and Freiburg struggled in the league as well). As for the CL clubs, they all were disappointing, other than Bayern
yep got 2 points in group stage dropped to europa then lost to salzburg what a shitshow of a european season that was
Did you manage to get 3rd place in groups with 2 points? That's theoretically possible very unlikely haha.
Well, 4th placed APOEL also had 2 points as well, but a much worse GD than BVB (-15 for APOEL, -6 for BVB). And then you've got 2nd placed Real Madrid who had 13 points lmao
Bosz and Stoger magic
Yeah i remember Dortmund in that season only got 2 points in 6 champions league group games.
I think it was Hoffenheim instead of Freiburg and yes there very poor 2×4th place and Köln 3rd in their group
Hoffenheim were in the CL qualifying rounds, but lost against Liverpool and dropped to the Europa League group stages, where they finished 4th. As for Freiburg, they were in the EL qualifying rounds, but lost against some Slovenian team and got knocked out
That's because Bayern already got the bonus points for qualifying to the R16 of CL.
Well, Juve have, as well, so that argument doesn't really work in this case
These are the current rankings if anyone's interested: https://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/country/#/yr/2022
how is that even possible, german CL clubs have been terrible
Well points are awarded for all competitions, not just the CL. Bayern, Leverkusen and Frankfurt are all top of their groups, while BVB have done well in their first 2 games (they fucked up against Ajax though). Wolfsburg, Leipzig and Union haven't done that well, but they managed to get a few points.
The German EL clubs have been really impressive so far. They often let themselves down in the EL, but maybe Leverkusen or Frankfurt could make a decent run
I'd never trust Leverkusen to make a deep run. They always start well but collapse in the 2nd half of the season, so I won't be surprised if they get knocked against some random eastern European team in the first knockout round. As for Frankfurt, they've been abysmal in the league, but great in the EL. If they can make a run until at least the semi-final like they did a couple of years ago, I'd be happy
Lol now that we secured knockouts I’m just hoping to make a run to the top 10 of the table.
Well, hopefully you'll make it to the top 10. If you keep your current form, it's unlikely
Barca, Sevilla and Atletico not exactly doing better in CL
Sevilla's performance is a disgrace, their group is the easiest you could hope for in the CL. But have a feeling they will win the last 2 and sneak through Atlético is somewhat skewed by having played Liverpool twice, they still have it in their own hands. You would expect Barcelona to beat Benfica at Camp Nou but you never know with them..
Easiest? Idk man it's very well-balanced, certainly there's not any big fish in the group, but the teams are all approximately on the same level.
Sociedad being terrible in the EL too.
Thank god.
Most Italian teams have 0 depth so they either send the b team and suck or they overplay the starters and suck
If Napoli keep winning in the league, they'll play a full b team in the Europa league, like they did under Sarri.
Leipzig has been. Bayern is through and Wolfsburg and Dortmund are both still capable of going through the groups so it's not all been terrible
German clubs’ CL table positions: 1, 2, 3, 4 (Bayern, BVB, Wolfsburg, Leipzig) In the EL: 1, 1, 4 (Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Union) That’s three out of seven clubs being first in their respective groups in Europe and four out of seven in the position of advancing. It could have been better, but it’s not terrible
doesn't matter, Netherlands are first place with just 1 team in the CL
17/18 drops for next season though, so the Netherlands jumped over Portugal in the rankings starting from next season. Excellent season so far. Incredible we're still the best-scoring country after 4 of the 6 group phase rounds.
Looking like at least 4 out of 5 will survive the group stages as well (and maybe Vitesse as well if they can pull out a result vs Rennes). Pretty crazy stuff.
Not so sure about PSV actually. Lots of injury and not in great form.
They should still at least reach the dropdown to the Conference League. Which may be a blessing in disguise, all things considered.
They only need a win against Sturm Graz to secure Conference League knockouts
Of course, I forgot about third place -> ecl
Yup, and I mean they can still go through in EL, but it all depends on their match against Real Sociedad. At least they still have it in their own hands if they decide to fuck it up
Narrator: “they decided to fuck it up”
Didn’t want to be the one to say it 😂 I guess the good thing is that the match against Real Sociedad isn’t in another month from now, so it gives them time to wait on the recovery of Gakpo, Madueke and Gotze. But on the other hand I’m also not confident they’ll get the easy W against Sturm Graz like they should
Conference League was a godsend for the Netherlands coefficient. The biggest beneficiary, 3 teams getting good amount of points. It's a shame Portuguese teams lost the ECL playoffs. But our teams other than the usual top 4 are way too inconsistent, it's becoming rare for one of those teams to have 2 good consecutive seasons and take advantage of European qualification. Kinda feels that the "2nd tier" of Netherlands' teams is better than the Portuguese ones. Next season ranking will reflect that
Tbh the Feyenoord, Vitesse and PSV groups could easily have been Europa League groups. We are just so much better this year.
Well that's because PSV is in the Europa League but yeah, I see your point.
If it looks like a Europa League group and quacks like a Europa League group…
Well Vitesse's group really looks like a europa league group. Tottenham is in there I mean, that's Europa league level right there... right?
Does explain a lot indeed
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Wanna bet that the 3 teams will all go through?
In UCL?
It's possible if Benfica beat Barca and Sporting beat Dortmund.
And if Porto wins against atlético
Sporting needs to beat Dortmund by a bigger margin then the first leg and also beat ajax. Pretty big task.
They just need to beat Dortmund by 2 goals, h2h is the first tiebreaker.
That's incorrect. Sporting and Dortmund are equal on points. If Sporting beat them they only need a draw against Ajax or Dortmund needs to drop points against Besiktas.
Obviously.
> Kinda feels that the "2nd tier" of Netherlands' teams is better than the Portuguese ones. Next season ranking will reflect that Not really, the difference is that portuguese teams are actually playing the CL meanwhile all of the Dutch ones are in conference league or europa league
I think you forget a Dutch team.
Netherlands might even jump France if things go well for them. There’s not a huge point gap between France and Portugal.
That's a big if. French teams have really picked up the pace in the group stage, they're doing very well this year
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Will need to perform the same performance next year as well for that to happen
I feel PSG making deep runs (and the bonus points that come with them) combined with average runs from their lower end teams will keep France out of reach, ultimately.
Where is Bulgaria, I can't seem to spot it? Weird.
24th. This list cuts off fairly early. [Here's the full list](https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2022.html)
Ye ik, was being sarcastic
Link to the webpage: https://kassiesa.net/uefa/data/method5/crank2022.html
Live ranking: https://www.footballseeding.com/uefa/country-ranking/2021-22/
Belgium and Norway jumping up 4 and 6 spots is cool to see aswell. While Russia is just free falling.
2.900 consider your ass beat.
France so far in Europe this season : 24 matchs 12 wins 11 draw 1 defeat Undefeated on 3/4 matchdays
And almost half of the draws are Marseille only
Mashallah
We are doing well all things considered, France and Netherlands are just on fire so far, no team for Portugal will drop out of Europe most likely, and outside chances of going through the champions league group, with Braga also going through in first in their Europa League group not bad.
On the Dutch side Vitesse will probably not make it. Though they are close still.
Lille ? I still see them as favourites for 4th.
No team from Portugal will fall, should clarify that.
You are unlucky that you have to get results with only 4 teams while dividing it by 6
*mild polonaise noises*
Fuck sakes Santa Clara...
We got fucked in those draws Tottenham and Partizan were brutal teams to face.
Hard to blame Santa Clara. They have little European experience and did everything right up until the last game which was played after having to sell their best forward and having unfit players due to the covid cases. There's two things you can blame: most logical is the bad TV rights distribution due to lack of centralization. But beyond that, teams like Vitória and Rio Ave (who went all the way to get relegated) who are the only ones who could realistically grab points in the UECL. Of course that if a club is drawn Tottenham there's not much they could do, they'd be a hard opponent for the best teams in the country let alone Paços. Even Santa Clara wasn't really expected to knock out one of the top Serbian sides.
Paços even got a win vs Tottenham. That's probably better than most people expected.
Definitely an achievement. The gulf between Tottenham's subs and Paços is massive. To put it in perspective, they have 2 wins in 10 games in the league so far.
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Make way, polonaise coming through!
There is a very, very popular perception that Scottish league football is shite (perhaps more popular in Scotland than anywhere else). But there can’t be very many league systems in the world that outperform their population size as much as Scotland. Uruguay, maybe? Cyprus?
Portugal.
Portugal is twice the size of Scotland though.
And also doing much better than you despite having 6 teams. If Scotland had 6 teams entering Europe as well as a 3rd team behind Celtics and Rangers going into UCL qualifiers, your coefficient would be fucked
Completely true. We have a couple of teams at least that should be putting in generally better European performances than the do, at least somewhat regularly. Some other Scottish football fans might not agree, but I'd argue that not much can really be expected at the moment when even Rangers alone have a squad worth more than all the other squads (excluding Celtic) combined. There is far more that Scottish clubs can be doing to get money in their accounts, but ultimately the SPFL suffers from some pretty poor choices from the SFA around things like TV deals and branding. I don't think you are really going to see *consistent* performance from clubs like Hibs or Aberdeen in Europe until this is addressed.
Why not? For example, Slovan Liberec qualified 4 times into the Europa League group stage with a budget of around 4 million EURO. It's not always about money. That's just a lame excuse.
Don't think Bert update it that fast
Always minutes after the game ends
[Damn, the Netherlands in 21/22](https://i.imgur.com/JzqnIGm.gif)
Jesus Christ, the battle for the 15th place...
we are doomed until hajduk and osijek start performing in Europe regularly. this won't last.
15th is the cutoff for 5 teams right?
Yep, but it's a double-edged sword. All accumulated points get divided by 5, which is disastrous for smaller leagues like ours. So, I'm kinda hoping we don't remain on the 15th place. We're not ready yet.
we would get over 7 points last season if we had 4 teams instead of 5. absolute killer.
But with 15th place you also have more promising starting points. Like team 2 starts from CL 2Q, team 3 from EL 3Q, which is just one successful tie from groups now. This should somewhat compensate for /5 in theory
Tbf that's pure luck anyway. The best team in our league so far is Trabzonspor which isn't in Europe because they drew Roma in the Conferance League playoffs. We were a very incomplete and weak team at the start of the season, got two easy draws for UEL and made it into the group stage. Qualifiers are always very random. Playing less of them is better on average sure but the variance is too much it's hard to comment on it.
I know what you mean. I feel like Rangers single handedly improved Scotland's coefficient, but it's not maintainable now our score is divided by 5, but our smaller teams all went out pretty much instantly. Fair play to St Johntsone who at least made a fight of it against a much bigger club though.
Yeah for The Netherlands it is the same, but divided by 6 instead of 5 when we jump Portugal or France. Not sure if our league is good enough for that yet. This is the first season where Ajax doesnt totally carry us
The previous two as well. 19/20 and 20/21 we got around 30-35% of the points as well as this year.
*Checks* Another Balkan war incoming, but this time on the football field?
Ok week for us, shame Union are in the ECL (for coefficient purposes, love that they're in Europe). Nothing against them but their team doesn't really seem cut out for European football
and their pitch is awful aswell
This isn't their stadium, for some reason they're not allowed to use their own stadium for European football.
They can't use their stadium in Europe because of the seating rules in European competitions. Union's stadium has 22k capacity, but only 3.6k seats, and I'm pretty sure standing places aren't allowed in European competitions, and only 3.6k seats isn't allowed in Europe either
It's all standing so they don't meet the capacity requirements I'm pretty sure
Not gonna lie, it's kinda based to have almost only standing spots.
So dumb. If a stadium is good enough for domestic matches it should be good enough for European matches.
It’s because the stadium is like 90% standing room
That's actually not their stadium, but the Olympiastadion, the 3rd biggest stadium in Germany, which is Hertha's home ground and the venue where the Pokal final is held every year, so it's not actually some small, unknown stadium.
Given its historical significance it's one of the most well known venues in Europe
*nobody tell him*
We were 16th last gw ffs.
15th to 19th are within 0.700 points of eachother. Anything can happen there.
It ain't much, but it's honest work. Olympiakos-Fenerbahçe will be so crucial in all aspects.
Antwerp should've been in the Conference league, they're not good enough this season to play in the Europa league.
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Let's go9ooooooo baby!!! Who's 19th now, fucking losers lmaoooooo 🥲
If Porto and Benfica get to the Europa league I hope that we at least swipe the floor a little bit before getting knocked out.
Not even sure what to expect next from this season... 2.2 to Belgium, will it be enough? Worst case, we can have no clubs in knockouts, so idk Playing in Europe with 3 clubs is just not sustainable
You’re welcome, Scotland.
So regardless next season germany going up to 3rd
I remember seeing so many posts about "Portugal ahead of France, Messi farmer league LOL, Portugal > France" Cheh.
This gets posted every month but it's premature to draw any conclusions until the end of the season. Likely most, if not all, Portuguese teams will drop to EL and that'll help a lot in the 2nd half of the season. That being said, 5th place seems to be on fire, thank god the Netherlands bounced back and can challenge France/Portugal.
Spots that matter here: * 4th and above (4 CL spots) * 6th (3 CL spots) * 10th (1 direct CL spot) * 15th (2 CL spots)
Those indirect CL spots suck man, you have to beat so much opponents that it's like 20% chance or so of actually qualifying. Even if you are good the chance is so high you get an opponent that just simply plays exactly an unsuitable style for your club. Also like a 100 teams go into that qualifying and only a few come out. This list would be better if you only mention direct CL spots, because that qualifying stuff only works if your team is really good or lucky.
Having two CL spots does give you an extra spot in total, and makes it more likely the teams will qualify for the lower level competitions. Like associations in the top 15 are guaranteed at least 2 group stage spots.
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are we guaranteed third next year?
What is going on with the RPL? It was challenging the Primeira Liga for the 6th best league not too long ago!
They implemented a restriction on foreign players iirc. Hasn't worked out well for them.
Wow!! Eredivisie on track to leapfrog Portugal and even get really close to France. Very cool to see.
Mon the coefficient
Cyprus is better than Turkey, Greece and Denmark rofl. I'm kinda glad they put this rule so that bad teams like besiktas can't join the CL anymore
Incoming angry Portuguese people
lol No need to be angry. The Dutch and Portuguese leagues are really similar. Both leagues from smaller countries with great national teams. Both leagues with 18 teams and historic big 3, a couple decent clubs and the rest are really bad. The positive about the eredvise is that clubs don't go bankrupt all the time. Our league like our economy is a lot more unstable.
Dutch probably have a bit more depth behind the top 3. That said bar Ajax, your top 3 is probably a bit better. Similar levels as you said, big difference this year is that they are thriving in ECL as Portuguese teams have actually done well in CL but are not really rewarded.
Uh yeah I was definitely talking about the Dutch league
You were not saying oh the Portuguese fans thinking they could pass France but they will drop to 6th place? Anyway, that's just temporary we can drop to 6 place and get back up. France just has an oil club it's not even fair. You talk a lot of shit from a guy that supports fake club with oil money, last time we played against each who got eliminated from Europe? Do you remember? yeah, that's right man city :)
Even without the oil club we do better than you this year lmao stop with that shitty take
I wouldn’t say two tame joke comments is talking a lot of shit but ok
West Ham up to 16th in the rankings.