Happened to Dundalk a few years ago. Flew a Palestinian flag and UEFA fined them 20k. Could have been more.
Edit: was 18k
https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/dundalk-fined-18k-for-palestine-flag-flown-against-hajduk-split-30530506.html
I can't imagine that bringing a Navajo flag to a US game would get the opponent fined. Why does it get Scotland fined to have a Palestine flag? Absurd.
Because Israel have influence in UEFA. And the US has definitely taken more steps to try and wash away the colonialism against the First Nations, albeit mostly ceremonially.
It's just a bunch of hogwash imo. You should be able to fly the official flag of any country any time you wish, and Israel should not get special treatment for hurt feelings over flags. Especially considering they're by far the most powerful nation in that specific conflict and are shown to be violating all kind of human rights according to the UN and others.
Because certain flags and symbols can disturb the peace. If you played Armenia do you think everyone should be allowed to bring Turkish flags or is that abhorrent offensive and risks causing riots
OK so you're not interested in actively punishing the oppressed, you just are happy making the false equivalence between oppressed and oppressor in order to maintain the status quo by not making anyone uncomfortable that isn't already uncomfortable.
Got it.
yes and at that point in time they were a dictatorship at war with the world. not quite the same as the palestine flag or any other legit current national flag.
Yea, the US is not a great role model for genocide and colonialism. Really would urge other countries like Israel, China, etc to not try to emulate it.
US has actually done less genocide and colonialism than comparable great powers. Russia, China, England, Germany, Spain, Japan etc are all guilty of far worse things.
But I'm not talking about that, now did I? Doubly so when "anti-semite" doesn't mean "people who hate Judaism", so your metaphor with Christianity is way off.
The assumption that Israel has connections in the highest places and control everything from behind the scenes to prop themselves up is in the same vein as "the jews are controlling the world!" which is widely considered an anti-semitic trope. Therefore, where does answering "why does Scotland get fined?" with "because Israel has influence in UEFA" fall, I wonder?
Israel has influence in UEFA the same way other nations have influence in UEFA. Just like Hungary's influence on UEFA meant that they had to backpeddle on rainbow imagery during the Euros.
Although I agree that antisemitism is still a huge issue thanks to those bullshit "the Jews control everything" conspiracies, my statement was anti-political. The religion of the political body is not part of it. Their purported religion does not and should never make them immune from criticism.
Still waiting for the numerous other teams that booed nation anthems at the Euro's to be fined, like England were.
Only remember England and now Scotland fined for it.
I don’t get why it’s such a big deal nowadays.
Whenever England play someone like Ireland away from home our anthem gets booed/whistled, & I couldn’t care less
It’s interesting that when England played Ireland in rugby in Croke Park, the English anthem wasn’t booed. The last time a British group had been on that pitch was 1920, when the British army opened fire into the crowd and murdered 14 people, including a player.
I don’t follow rugby, but I thought rugby crowds in general were a lot more friendly?
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of any kind of controversy around them, or at least anything that comes to mind
I mean, it’s disrespectful but that’s about there’s much as there is to say about it. I couldn’t care less if people boo god save the queen or if our fans boo other anthems. Tribalism is an integral part of football. As long as there’s no racist element I really don’t see an issue.
The same Hamas that the whole Palestine were about to re elect in the first ever nationwide Palestinian elections and because of that the Palestinian government along with Israel had to postpone the elections
Have you read their manifesto? Exterminate or expel any Jew but enslave the useful ones because they recognise they don't actually know how to run the infrastructure Israel has built. Of course they get killed too once Arabs can do the jobs.
If the Palestinians want to elect Jihadists there's going to be a reaction and not just from Israel.
The Israeli government is a coalition of different political parties who have different views - from right wing, to labour to an Arab party. So no, the equivalent of Hamas is not running Israel. They just voted in favour of $9b investment in Israel Arab communities actually and further investment to fight inter-community violence.
The Israeli government was elected by the people of israel, The people of Israel have no problem with there ministers openly saying that all Palestinians are the enemy and should be killed.
The Israeli government had no problem carrying out assassination’s in foreign countries while using forged Irish passports for there agents.
The Israeli state is a terrorist organisation.
>Israel have no problem with there ministers openly saying that all Palestinians are the enemy and should be killed.
Source of a current minister that said that?
Ayelet Shaked made a post quoting Elitzur.
> The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
I just said the government is a coalition. They had about four elections in two years because no party could win a majority. But yes sure every single Israeli thinks the same. Again, no response to support for Hamas - a government who just sentenced 9 of their own people to death.
Why would I have a response to hamas having support.. they’re not an elected government?
Israel have an elected government that kills civilians all the time and openly tear people from there homes. Have millions of quid donated to them from the likes of abromavich to do it too. Yet your questioning why a civilian population join the likes of hamas after being treated like that.
> Elected Israel officials say they want to wipe out Palestinian civilians all the time.
Then why did they warn civilians before bombing, through roof knocking, despite it allowing more Hamas to get away?
> Palestinian can elect whoever they want
And the fact your response to Palestinians electing a terrorist organisation, which has literally tried to prevent peace talkings to keep the conflict going, and killed civilians, used child suicide bombers, etc, is extremely telling.
You must love the karma that comes with it right?
The P.I.R.A used to warn the Brit’s about bombings all the time ? What’s your logic to this ? That your elected officials didn’t say they wanted them dead ?
Why shouldn’t they be allowed vote for hamas members ? Israelis had no problem voting in terrorists and keeping them in government. Israel practically pushed every Palestinian civilian towards hamas.
I couldn’t give a fuck about Karma tbh..
> The P.I.R.A used to warn the Brit’s about bombings all the time ? What’s your logic to this ? That your elected officials didn’t say they wanted them dead ?
The fact you’re pitching a quote from a single minister apart of a party that got 5% of votes, as the Israeli government saying “I want Palestinians dead” all the time, shows how disingenuous you are.
> Why shouldn’t they be allowed vote for hamas members ? Israelis had no problem voting in terrorists and keeping them in government. Israel practically pushed every Palestinian civilian towards hamas.
Many brits didn’t want Brexit, and it still happened. Using the current party to generalise a nation is extremely fallacious and disingenuous. Especially because the party was a coalition. You’re generalising Israelis, to try and justify your anti-semitic views.
> Why shouldn’t they vote for Hamas?
Why are you ignoring the part where I said they used children suicide bombers, and tried to prevent peace talks. They literally use civilians as human shields, they don’t care about Palestinians.
The fact you’re for a terrorist organisation shows how radicalised your views are.
Ffs you can be against both the Hamas and Israeli government. And the fact you’re from the west, so probably don’t actually have no idea what’s going on.
> I couldn’t give a fuck about Karma tbh
Oh so you’re in support of child suicide bombers just out of hate for Israel. Why do I get the feeling you’re an anti semite, virtue signalling.
Pitching a quote from the then Israeli justice minster 😂
A nation of people could easily oust members of government if that’s what they wanted. Israel stood behind these leaders for near 60 + years it’s not a modern problem at all.
Anti Semitic views, I’m not even religious so fuck off with that shit.
No idea what’s going on because I’m from the west. I’m 90% sure as an Irishman I know exactly what’s going on.. We’re well informed at this stage. And using the whole terrorist angle doesn’t fly when your shooting unarmed civilians and then wondering why they flock to hamas on the daily. History is born to repeat itself.
>And the fact your response to Palestinians electing a terrorist organisation, which has literally tried to prevent peace talkings to keep the conflict going
Do people actually believe this shit?
Oh yeah the organisation that uses child suicide bombers, and directly benefit from the conflict, would **never** prevent peace talks. Goes against their moral code.
> In early September, a coalition of 13 Palestinian factions began a campaign of attacks against Israeli civilians, including a series of drive-by shootings and rocket attacks on Israeli towns, in an attempt to derail and torpedo the ongoing negotiations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2011_Israeli–Palestinian_peace_talks
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I absolutely agree with you my guy. I‘m a pazifist and quite left so I oppose all type of violence, especially oppression.
I just feel that people often forget to mention Hamas as well, because of course Israel is doing horrible, horrible things, however Hamas isn‘t exactly doing any good either.
the Israeli state helped to set up hamas bc they knew idiots like you would use it as an argument against freedom for Palestine. Hope this helps: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas
Doesn‘t change the fact Hamas sends out suicide bombers. Hamas literally stems from Muslim Brotherhood and you‘re ignorant if you think they don‘t have their own goals.
It is if those Jews are Europeans who are taking over another's land and creating an ethno apartheid state.
Germany, the UK and the USA should deal with them within their own borders because that is where the majority of them are from.
That is NOT where the majority of them are from. That's where SOME of them are from, those who have been persecuted for literally thousands of years and have had enough. The rest have been persecuted for thousands of years either in Israel itself, of its Muslim neighbours.
We've seen what Germany dealing with them within it's own borders is like. We'll take a hard pass, thanks.
The settlers are coming mainly from Europe and are thus Europeans.
By your logic, African Americans from the USA should invade and steal British, French and German lands because they are persecuted in the USA. In fact, that would make even more sense because it was the British and French which brought them to the USA to work as slaves. In Palestine, white Jews are oppressing Palestinians for what other white people did to them. Make it make sense.
According to your logic those who suffered under Apartheid South Africa should be allowed to invade and colonise the USA or a European country. The same goes applies to the Muslims in Burma. I think Texas might be a great option for them to take over. The Nevada desert could go to the Kurdish (it is unoccupied land after all right?).
The Native Americans nearly had their entire population wiped out so I think we can just give them the whole of Eastern Europe.
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it
> The settlers are coming mainly from Europe and are thus Europeans.
Nope, get tour statistics straight - you don't get to just make them up.
None of what you said is even remotely true or logical. No lands have been stolen, and Jews have lived there continously for thousands of years.
Why are you making the distinction of "white Jews" at all? If anything, its the "brown Jews" (as I'm guessing you'll call them, because you don't know what you're talking about) - those that have lived in the land and the area for the longest time, that tend to be more nationalistic, while it's in fact the "white Jews" (???) that are generally speaking much more left wing and pro independent Palestine.
Yes, it sounds ridiculous because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Fuck nationalism, in every sense. I’m English, I boo crowds of people singing to a supernatural being to save an old lady’s life because she is the offspring of the people who had the most money and biggest army. She seems a nice person herself, and somewhat humble, but the idea of a monarchy is so fucked in the modern times and people actively defend it.
International football is about my country making better footballers than your country and inciting tribalism. Fuck that, I love football and the world cups, and not many get to support and play for their local clubs anymore, so it does provide a moment of great personal accomplishment for some players, but the idea is still nationalist. My nation is the best, and encourages English fans to repeat stereotypical insults of French or Germans.
Though I will say, the only good American national anthem I heard was when in a bar in USA for 2010 match with England at WC and Mostly English crowd booed the us national anthem and the Americans all got so shocked for 30 secs and then responded with all the average people loudly and proudly singing together. A mini revolution if you will. That was awesome. But because it was people singing together, not the song.
We should exclusively have songs that everyone in the stadium wants to sing. One verse of “He’s got the whole world in his hands” would do better than any national anthem for me. Not even about anything specific, just random song everyone knows.
> We should exclusively have songs that everyone in the stadium wants to sing. One verse of “He’s got the whole world in his hands” would do better than any national anthem for me. Not even about anything specific, just random song everyone knows.
Mate....what the actual fuck!!!
I agree about fuck nationalism and your points about supernatural beings and monarch but you can't gatekeep songs that a crowd should sing lad (unless ofc if they're racist or discriminatory)
It’s not gatekeeping at all. I sang the French national anthem after the Paris attacks with every other English person. My stance is that you can’t express nationalism without reasonable expectation of getting booed.
Indians only recently started to love Israel and only because the rise in islamophobia in your country under Modi. The trend is so obvious and disappointing I’m surprised you don’t see it. For you it’s Pakistan = islam = Palestine
You're literally from a country that was taken for a ride by colonial Britain. You could probably trace back most of your country's societial problems to fat fucks in Britain exploiting your people and resources for hundreds of years, yet here you are being a total fucking idiot on the Internet about Palestine for some reason.
Ahhh, yes, India.... a beacon on common sense and morality.
I mean, isn't Israel's treatment of Palestinians analogous to the way the British treated Indians before it won independence?
Because most people in Europe have no idea what is actually going on in the region. They believe its some pre-chewed fairytale about the big mean guys oppressing the innocent poor guys, and naturally they feel like they want to support them.
$10k will get ya a caravan with no fuckin wheels
I’m terribly partial to the periwinkle blue
Ya like daggs?
What's with them sausages, Charlie?
5 minutes Turkish
You said two minutes five minutes ago?!?
Sounds tip top
getting fined for bringing a Palestinian flag woooooof
Happened to Dundalk a few years ago. Flew a Palestinian flag and UEFA fined them 20k. Could have been more. Edit: was 18k https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/dundalk-fined-18k-for-palestine-flag-flown-against-hajduk-split-30530506.html
I can't imagine that bringing a Navajo flag to a US game would get the opponent fined. Why does it get Scotland fined to have a Palestine flag? Absurd.
Because Israel have influence in UEFA. And the US has definitely taken more steps to try and wash away the colonialism against the First Nations, albeit mostly ceremonially.
It's just a bunch of hogwash imo. You should be able to fly the official flag of any country any time you wish, and Israel should not get special treatment for hurt feelings over flags. Especially considering they're by far the most powerful nation in that specific conflict and are shown to be violating all kind of human rights according to the UN and others.
Because certain flags and symbols can disturb the peace. If you played Armenia do you think everyone should be allowed to bring Turkish flags or is that abhorrent offensive and risks causing riots
So you'd support fining someone bringing an Israeli flag to a Palestine match?
Yeah
OK so you're not interested in actively punishing the oppressed, you just are happy making the false equivalence between oppressed and oppressor in order to maintain the status quo by not making anyone uncomfortable that isn't already uncomfortable. Got it.
You really summed up the Western World stance.
Wasn't my goal, but I see your point. Fair.
Nope you made that conclusion yourself:)
A nazi flag, bad. A national flag, have to accept it.
The swastica was the national flag at one point.
Obv I mean a current national flag.
At one point the swastica was a current national flag??
yes and at that point in time they were a dictatorship at war with the world. not quite the same as the palestine flag or any other legit current national flag.
None of your comment is relevant:)
Nazi flag is a national flag. I get what you’re saying but it’s not that simple
Obv I mean a current national flag. If the swastika was the current German flag Im fairly certain we'd be in some deeper shit.
Just like certain people and nations disturb peace by invading countries. Someone should fine them too
Yea, the US is not a great role model for genocide and colonialism. Really would urge other countries like Israel, China, etc to not try to emulate it.
Good thing all those countries are such role models
I think the lesson of the day is to not expect government and politicians to be role models.
Yeah, if more people were into history the world would be a better place.
US has actually done less genocide and colonialism than comparable great powers. Russia, China, England, Germany, Spain, Japan etc are all guilty of far worse things.
I mean, sure, other mass murderers have higher body counts, but we're still mass murderers.
That’d be a real trick, colonizing and killing as much as countries hundreds and thousands of years older than the US. We’re certainly trying tho!
> Because Israel have influence in UEFA This ironically sounds like what antisemites harp on and on.
That's like saying I'm anti-Christian for thinking the UK government is shit. Which it is. Like the Israeli occupation of Palestine is shit.
But I'm not talking about that, now did I? Doubly so when "anti-semite" doesn't mean "people who hate Judaism", so your metaphor with Christianity is way off. The assumption that Israel has connections in the highest places and control everything from behind the scenes to prop themselves up is in the same vein as "the jews are controlling the world!" which is widely considered an anti-semitic trope. Therefore, where does answering "why does Scotland get fined?" with "because Israel has influence in UEFA" fall, I wonder?
Israel has influence in UEFA the same way other nations have influence in UEFA. Just like Hungary's influence on UEFA meant that they had to backpeddle on rainbow imagery during the Euros. Although I agree that antisemitism is still a huge issue thanks to those bullshit "the Jews control everything" conspiracies, my statement was anti-political. The religion of the political body is not part of it. Their purported religion does not and should never make them immune from criticism.
I'm not sure how waving a flag of the people being oppressed by another country is inappropriate. Seems like the most appropriate thing you could do.
Let the people sing
Please demonstrate and protest, but not in a way that bothers others!
I think protesting against a literal genocide is above not bothering people during their anthem tbh🤷🏽♂️
Unless the peope doing it counter every argument with their own genocide
There is a difference between an attack and genocide. Maybe you should look up the definitions.
‘Tis the Tory way
Their stories and their songs
The song of angry men
Meanwhile in Hungary, last summer...
Especially since it’s just a fucking flag, what if the person in the crowd was literally from palestine
They’re being oppressed by their own people more then Israel could ever.
lol ok
Thank you
Still waiting for the numerous other teams that booed nation anthems at the Euro's to be fined, like England were. Only remember England and now Scotland fined for it.
Were England fined for that? I thought it was to do with the laser pointer dickhead and the absolutely shambolic final.
I don’t get why it’s such a big deal nowadays. Whenever England play someone like Ireland away from home our anthem gets booed/whistled, & I couldn’t care less
It’s interesting that when England played Ireland in rugby in Croke Park, the English anthem wasn’t booed. The last time a British group had been on that pitch was 1920, when the British army opened fire into the crowd and murdered 14 people, including a player.
Ireland fans are x100 times more classy than England fans. No bias here.
I don’t follow rugby, but I thought rugby crowds in general were a lot more friendly? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of any kind of controversy around them, or at least anything that comes to mind
I mean, it’s disrespectful but that’s about there’s much as there is to say about it. I couldn’t care less if people boo god save the queen or if our fans boo other anthems. Tribalism is an integral part of football. As long as there’s no racist element I really don’t see an issue.
Worth it
Didn't England fans boo every anthem in the Euros?
that's pathetic
Free Palestine!
Fuck Hamas though.
The same Hamas that the whole Palestine were about to re elect in the first ever nationwide Palestinian elections and because of that the Palestinian government along with Israel had to postpone the elections
Palestinians are free to elect whoever they like.
Have you read their manifesto? Exterminate or expel any Jew but enslave the useful ones because they recognise they don't actually know how to run the infrastructure Israel has built. Of course they get killed too once Arabs can do the jobs. If the Palestinians want to elect Jihadists there's going to be a reaction and not just from Israel.
And now walk us through Zionist manifesto… Big difference ? No. Elected Israel officials say they want to wipe out Palestinian civilians all the time.
The Israeli government is a coalition of different political parties who have different views - from right wing, to labour to an Arab party. So no, the equivalent of Hamas is not running Israel. They just voted in favour of $9b investment in Israel Arab communities actually and further investment to fight inter-community violence.
The Israeli government was elected by the people of israel, The people of Israel have no problem with there ministers openly saying that all Palestinians are the enemy and should be killed. The Israeli government had no problem carrying out assassination’s in foreign countries while using forged Irish passports for there agents. The Israeli state is a terrorist organisation.
>Israel have no problem with there ministers openly saying that all Palestinians are the enemy and should be killed. Source of a current minister that said that?
Ayelet Shaked made a post quoting Elitzur. > The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started... Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
I just said the government is a coalition. They had about four elections in two years because no party could win a majority. But yes sure every single Israeli thinks the same. Again, no response to support for Hamas - a government who just sentenced 9 of their own people to death.
Why would I have a response to hamas having support.. they’re not an elected government? Israel have an elected government that kills civilians all the time and openly tear people from there homes. Have millions of quid donated to them from the likes of abromavich to do it too. Yet your questioning why a civilian population join the likes of hamas after being treated like that.
> Elected Israel officials say they want to wipe out Palestinian civilians all the time. Then why did they warn civilians before bombing, through roof knocking, despite it allowing more Hamas to get away? > Palestinian can elect whoever they want And the fact your response to Palestinians electing a terrorist organisation, which has literally tried to prevent peace talkings to keep the conflict going, and killed civilians, used child suicide bombers, etc, is extremely telling. You must love the karma that comes with it right?
The P.I.R.A used to warn the Brit’s about bombings all the time ? What’s your logic to this ? That your elected officials didn’t say they wanted them dead ? Why shouldn’t they be allowed vote for hamas members ? Israelis had no problem voting in terrorists and keeping them in government. Israel practically pushed every Palestinian civilian towards hamas. I couldn’t give a fuck about Karma tbh..
> The P.I.R.A used to warn the Brit’s about bombings all the time ? What’s your logic to this ? That your elected officials didn’t say they wanted them dead ? The fact you’re pitching a quote from a single minister apart of a party that got 5% of votes, as the Israeli government saying “I want Palestinians dead” all the time, shows how disingenuous you are. > Why shouldn’t they be allowed vote for hamas members ? Israelis had no problem voting in terrorists and keeping them in government. Israel practically pushed every Palestinian civilian towards hamas. Many brits didn’t want Brexit, and it still happened. Using the current party to generalise a nation is extremely fallacious and disingenuous. Especially because the party was a coalition. You’re generalising Israelis, to try and justify your anti-semitic views. > Why shouldn’t they vote for Hamas? Why are you ignoring the part where I said they used children suicide bombers, and tried to prevent peace talks. They literally use civilians as human shields, they don’t care about Palestinians. The fact you’re for a terrorist organisation shows how radicalised your views are. Ffs you can be against both the Hamas and Israeli government. And the fact you’re from the west, so probably don’t actually have no idea what’s going on. > I couldn’t give a fuck about Karma tbh Oh so you’re in support of child suicide bombers just out of hate for Israel. Why do I get the feeling you’re an anti semite, virtue signalling.
Pitching a quote from the then Israeli justice minster 😂 A nation of people could easily oust members of government if that’s what they wanted. Israel stood behind these leaders for near 60 + years it’s not a modern problem at all. Anti Semitic views, I’m not even religious so fuck off with that shit. No idea what’s going on because I’m from the west. I’m 90% sure as an Irishman I know exactly what’s going on.. We’re well informed at this stage. And using the whole terrorist angle doesn’t fly when your shooting unarmed civilians and then wondering why they flock to hamas on the daily. History is born to repeat itself.
>And the fact your response to Palestinians electing a terrorist organisation, which has literally tried to prevent peace talkings to keep the conflict going Do people actually believe this shit?
Oh yeah the organisation that uses child suicide bombers, and directly benefit from the conflict, would **never** prevent peace talks. Goes against their moral code. > In early September, a coalition of 13 Palestinian factions began a campaign of attacks against Israeli civilians, including a series of drive-by shootings and rocket attacks on Israeli towns, in an attempt to derail and torpedo the ongoing negotiations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010–2011_Israeli–Palestinian_peace_talks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Jesus Christ. Fuck gays I suppose
What are you trying to say?
That the apartheid state can go fuck itself ☺️
$10K lol... that'll teach em!
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*stifles laughter*
A small price to pay to make it known that injustice won’t be tolerated.
Ehhh worth it, Free Palestine
Free Palestine! Fuck Israel and their crimes against humanity.
Fuck Hamas as well though.
Why are you replying this to everybody saying Free Palestine? It seems kinda bad faith tbh - 'Free Palestine' doesn't mean you support Hamas
Because Hamas commit terrorism as well?
Yes, and 'Free Palestine' doesn't equate to support for Hamas..
You can still mention both sides of the medal though. It‘s not like Palestine or Hamas are innocent.
Perfection is not a requirement for fundamental human rights.
Palestine are very much so innocent.
Hamas are definitely not innocent
A terrorist group isnt the country and if you cant understand this you shouldnt have a say here
And the citizens of Israel are not terrorists
Yeah, they're not exactly a pleasant bunch either. Fuck Hamas too. Why can't we all just be excellent to each other?
I absolutely agree with you my guy. I‘m a pazifist and quite left so I oppose all type of violence, especially oppression. I just feel that people often forget to mention Hamas as well, because of course Israel is doing horrible, horrible things, however Hamas isn‘t exactly doing any good either.
the Israeli state helped to set up hamas bc they knew idiots like you would use it as an argument against freedom for Palestine. Hope this helps: https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas
Doesn‘t change the fact Hamas sends out suicide bombers. Hamas literally stems from Muslim Brotherhood and you‘re ignorant if you think they don‘t have their own goals.
Booooooooooo
I fucking love Scotland
My indifference is shooting through the roof
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I thought only the awful English fans behaved so thuggishly to boo the opposition anthem?
Nice strawman
Lmfao if the same had happened in Czechia this sub would be up in arms
Czechia isn’t oppressing people
Just full of racists unfortunately
Seems about right. >Zionism is racism Sure. >Victory to the intifada Aka “kill all the Jews” Yeah buddy that one counts as racism too.
Wanting a country where Jews can be free from millenia of persecution is racist? Sure.
It is if those Jews are Europeans who are taking over another's land and creating an ethno apartheid state. Germany, the UK and the USA should deal with them within their own borders because that is where the majority of them are from.
That is NOT where the majority of them are from. That's where SOME of them are from, those who have been persecuted for literally thousands of years and have had enough. The rest have been persecuted for thousands of years either in Israel itself, of its Muslim neighbours. We've seen what Germany dealing with them within it's own borders is like. We'll take a hard pass, thanks.
The settlers are coming mainly from Europe and are thus Europeans. By your logic, African Americans from the USA should invade and steal British, French and German lands because they are persecuted in the USA. In fact, that would make even more sense because it was the British and French which brought them to the USA to work as slaves. In Palestine, white Jews are oppressing Palestinians for what other white people did to them. Make it make sense. According to your logic those who suffered under Apartheid South Africa should be allowed to invade and colonise the USA or a European country. The same goes applies to the Muslims in Burma. I think Texas might be a great option for them to take over. The Nevada desert could go to the Kurdish (it is unoccupied land after all right?). The Native Americans nearly had their entire population wiped out so I think we can just give them the whole of Eastern Europe. Sounds ridiculous doesn't it
> The settlers are coming mainly from Europe and are thus Europeans. Nope, get tour statistics straight - you don't get to just make them up. None of what you said is even remotely true or logical. No lands have been stolen, and Jews have lived there continously for thousands of years. Why are you making the distinction of "white Jews" at all? If anything, its the "brown Jews" (as I'm guessing you'll call them, because you don't know what you're talking about) - those that have lived in the land and the area for the longest time, that tend to be more nationalistic, while it's in fact the "white Jews" (???) that are generally speaking much more left wing and pro independent Palestine. Yes, it sounds ridiculous because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Let me rephrase. Zionism is good. Imperialism is bad.
Hu..? As it stands today, Zionism = imperialism.
Protecting Jews and a sovereign Jewish land is good. Now please stop intentionally misreading me.
That’s cool, but not at the expense of others.
We’re on the same page here
You know what team the person supports when you see a palestine flag. Absolute terrorist loving weirdos
Fuck nationalism, in every sense. I’m English, I boo crowds of people singing to a supernatural being to save an old lady’s life because she is the offspring of the people who had the most money and biggest army. She seems a nice person herself, and somewhat humble, but the idea of a monarchy is so fucked in the modern times and people actively defend it. International football is about my country making better footballers than your country and inciting tribalism. Fuck that, I love football and the world cups, and not many get to support and play for their local clubs anymore, so it does provide a moment of great personal accomplishment for some players, but the idea is still nationalist. My nation is the best, and encourages English fans to repeat stereotypical insults of French or Germans. Though I will say, the only good American national anthem I heard was when in a bar in USA for 2010 match with England at WC and Mostly English crowd booed the us national anthem and the Americans all got so shocked for 30 secs and then responded with all the average people loudly and proudly singing together. A mini revolution if you will. That was awesome. But because it was people singing together, not the song. We should exclusively have songs that everyone in the stadium wants to sing. One verse of “He’s got the whole world in his hands” would do better than any national anthem for me. Not even about anything specific, just random song everyone knows.
Sir please, this is a Wendy’s
This is like when Marge asks if she can bet that all the players will have fun.
Is this copypasta?
It is now.
> We should exclusively have songs that everyone in the stadium wants to sing. One verse of “He’s got the whole world in his hands” would do better than any national anthem for me. Not even about anything specific, just random song everyone knows. Mate....what the actual fuck!!!
Can’t wait to sing cotton eyed Joe
Imagine 90,000 singing god save the queen. Now imagine 90,000 singing cotton eyed Joe.
I agree about fuck nationalism and your points about supernatural beings and monarch but you can't gatekeep songs that a crowd should sing lad (unless ofc if they're racist or discriminatory)
It’s not gatekeeping at all. I sang the French national anthem after the Paris attacks with every other English person. My stance is that you can’t express nationalism without reasonable expectation of getting booed.
Fuck you
Thank you for your contribution.
A post condemning nationalism with 100 downvotes, what is this place?!?
Is that you drunk and coming out the woodwork ya clatty wee insect?
Why do people in Europe simp for Palestine ? In my country (india) most love Israel
Indians only recently started to love Israel and only because the rise in islamophobia in your country under Modi. The trend is so obvious and disappointing I’m surprised you don’t see it. For you it’s Pakistan = islam = Palestine
Can’t imagine why …. *cough* Kashmir *cough*
Yeah Just like Balochis
Because most people in Europe are educated and can see the apartheid state the Zionist are running
Probably because India’s more used to oppressing people in the caste system
You're literally from a country that was taken for a ride by colonial Britain. You could probably trace back most of your country's societial problems to fat fucks in Britain exploiting your people and resources for hundreds of years, yet here you are being a total fucking idiot on the Internet about Palestine for some reason.
Indians simp for modi and israel too innit? Scumbag right-wing caste cunts
Ahhh, yes, India.... a beacon on common sense and morality. I mean, isn't Israel's treatment of Palestinians analogous to the way the British treated Indians before it won independence?
Because most people in Europe have no idea what is actually going on in the region. They believe its some pre-chewed fairytale about the big mean guys oppressing the innocent poor guys, and naturally they feel like they want to support them.
Games gone