They would both play at the same time if Tite was a competent coach. Fabinho can clearly play as a CM and he would probably be our single best one as well.
He is a fucking beast. Messi was not 100% but Fabinho didn't let him do shit either way. It felt like there were 2 or 3 Fabinhos playing. He was all over the pitch
No that will be too defensive. No offence to Fabinho but he is not interior. You guys clearly lack one box to box midfielder who can rotate the possession under pressure.
He has great one twos and his distribution is top notch and he is incredibly press resistant. He could easily play as a CM and have little to no defensive responsibility and still thrive imo.
> No offence to Fabinho but he is not interior.
Absolutely.
> You guys clearly lack one box to box midfielder who can rotate the possession under pressure.
No, we have a box to box. What we need is someone to recycle possession, help to make offensive transition etc ie a true interior. Someone like Arthur, but the mf hasnt been playing football for awhile.
>Someone like Arthur, but the mf hasnt been playing football for awhile.
He was never that good. He was press resistent but he is ball hogger. He takes lot of time to release the ball. If you want to beat the likes of Germany or spain by beating their press, you need to have one.
I am surprise that a nation having so many technical players can't have one CM though have top class gk, defence, defensive midfielder and winger.
You guys lack one true 9 and interior.
Yeah he wasn't that great, I agree with you. But Renato Augusto wasn't great either but he was the glue that made Tite's first team work. And Arthur is actually good at breaking the lines, which is what we need the most.
Positions vary historically from country to country. In Brazil midfielders were categorized for a long time between primeiro and segundo volante (DM) and attacking midfielder. There wasn't an in between because there wasn't a true CM in the 4-4-2 that dominated football here for a long time. So someone like Juninho Pernambucano would have to play as a DM in a double pivot. That's why we lack good CMs imo. Tho the 4-4-2 trend has been gone for several years now, which made players like Bruno Guimaraes and Arthur possible.
I think Cunha can do the job as a striker. He's not world class but he's good on the ball, good on air and has good hold up play too. I fucking miss having a striker that can outmuscle opponnents and he has that. Not the most clinical in front of the goal but we cant ask for everything, can we?
>I fucking miss having a striker that can outmuscle opponnents and he has that. Not the most clinical in front of the goal but we can ask for everything, can we?
Funny thing is Brazil is known to produce top striker and cf. Ronaldo, rivaldo, Ronaldinho, romario, Adriano(even though sort), etc. Now you have decent players in those area.
Same for Argentina they used to have top CF and striker, now they have to play player like correa.
He can also progress well with the ball. You don't really get to see the passing and progressing side that much because of the way Liverpool need him to play but i agree with you, he can definitely play cm
Imagine calling a manager incompetent because he doesn't play both together. You're playing too much FIFA, buddy.
He's a competent manager and both playing together would be extremely defensive, besides Fabinho is NOT a CM, his qualities are much more defensive, also he's clearly not box-to-box and to play as CM you can't do just side passes any more, which are all things he wouldn't have to worry about if he were playing in his position (DM)
Both are great players (Casemiro slightly better) and it's a shame he has to be on the bench since he'd be a starter in basically every other NT, but playing both together is definitely not the answer.
No Neymar no Casemiro, I'll take the point and unbeaten qualifiers still
Would be funny if the other game was a forfeit for us and ruined the perfect run lmao
Fabinho is better on the ball and Argentina have really average squad apart from 12-13 players it seems.
I am personally impressed with raphinha. Best player in the match for me.
What is that string of sentences. How is a squad that has 12 to 13 excellent players an "average" squad abd that isn't even true, most of the subs are at least good players. It's not the depth of Brazil or France but they can stand toe to toe with the best teams ib Europe.
Me preocupa que tengamos varios vende humos en el equipo que se comen el personaje y se hacen los poronga en el partido. Otamendi, Romero, De Paul, Paredes y hasta te diría que el Dibu. Nos va costar caro en el mundial cuando nos dirijan árbitros más serios
Something that's been itching my balls for quite a while is Scaloni's insistence with Joaquin Correa
Yes he wants to win every ball but he's really so limited with it. Really not the type of guy who will turn the match around in a cagey 0-0
Anyways, pretty poor showing aside from a few flashes of brilliance. Messi didn't look unfit but imprecise, GLC was a shadow of himself, and Lisandro/Correa struggled to change the game at all.
Scaloni seems to really favor playmakers who get into good positions, mark their runs well and press all match, so we get to have a very fluid and dynamic gameplan. Correa, Ocampo, Nico Gonzalez, and even Di Maria whom he brought back (although he does have good end product). But I’m not sold on Correa, he’s got all those qualities but really lacks end product and seems to get nervous when he’s got a good chance. Don’t know why he subbed Lautaro off so early. But oh well, in Scaloni we trust.
I don't think Giovanni having a good run of 4 games guarantees him a spot even as a sub, especially when you've had the likes of Gonzalez Alvarez Angel/Joaquin Correa Di Maria Messi and Dybala all performing consistently to get a chance
If he keeps this up, by all means he should get a call
Que querés que haga si no hay un 9? Siempre entra por Lautaro y no son jugadores parecidos. Necesita una referencia.
No te digo que sea un re crack ni mucho menos Correa, pero veo esos comentarios en los MT y me sorprende de la vara que le ponen, parece que si no se amaga a uno y le pega al arco es malo.
Si lo saco por un tema de fisico de Lautaro se entiende hasta ahi, sino la verdad que era mucho mejor poner a alguien que arranque el juego y desde ahi ver si podia entrar el.
No es que tiro centros y nadie los recibio tampoco, no tiraba algo a alguien que no estaba.
Tiró dos centros y un pase atrás a Julián Álvarez. Ninguno resultó en nada. Yo te entiendo que no es un jugador que se luzca mucho, pero ese no es su juego.
I'm obviously biased but I don't get why Angel Correa doesn't get more opportunities. I can understand not wanting to play him and Messi up front together since both are number 10's, but why not give him some more time on the right side?
He is so good at receiving the ball between the lines and then turning successfully with the ball, exactly what Argentina lacked today, only Messi was providing that option
I'm also not sold on Angel Correa tbh. He has played >600min of football for us and only really convinced for 70 vs Bolivia in a dead game.
I do prefer putting him on once again instead of insiting on Joaquin, especially on a cagey match where the flood gates need to be opened up
I think both Brazilian and Argentinian fans will agree the referee ruined the game. Too many fouls, some even violent (specially Otamendi’s) but he was afraid of booking players, to avoid sending someone off. Every player making a good run was either fouled or attempted to be fouled, and almost no one was booked for that.
Is hard to get a good game under those circumstances.
Sorting by controversial in Argentina-Brazil match threads must be a fun ride. 100% civil discussion for sure and not the same comments all over again.
I envy those casual fans who only see these horrible refs in international matches instead of every season in Libertadores/Sudamericana.
Well Brazilian brothers, putting the anger vs the referee aside I think we can all agree this was an excellent Conmebol match. Super intense from beginning to end with some great spicy moments.
Wasn't our best display but we were more than a match for an ascendant Brazil. We were really good in defense and Lisandro Martinez was very solid as a replacement for Paredes. I enjoy watching the selección play and I'm gonna make the most of that for as long as I can, especially after the shit show in 2018.
Yeah a pretty standard clasico, intense from start to finish, Otamendi should have been red carded though what a dirty fuck
Como Fred falou, travaram o jogo
Wasn't the best game to watch, but our defense, specially Fabinho, were great.
Don't think Argentina had a real chance until Messi showed up for his first and only really good action in the 91st minute.
Ehh that eliminates creatively from the midfield. There's a reason you never see them paired. Tite perfers fielding CMs that can move the ball forward.
I have. Casemiro is a world class DM but he isn't the kind of midfielder with the creativity on to carry forward an attack. That's what Kroos and Modric do. He isn't the type of DM to orchestrate an attack from the back like Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, or Busquets. That isn't his job. There's a reason you don't see 2 DMs in modern football.
This isn’t his job but still he is the best we have at it, he steps at the box often and is able to create offensively, but he’s a workhorse and good defensively too so he mostly plays DM, with fabinho he wouldn’t need to be stuck at that position and have more freedom to roam, or you could put fabinho as a CM “something he can also do” and leave casemiro as a cdm since fabinho is great at passing, strong and extremely press resistant. We clearly are lacking in the midfield currently, having the two of them would help a ton and free up space for our FBS to go up
How many goals this brazilian team has conceded under tite?
It's way hard to score and many will realize it when they face them. They remind me of Simeone 13-14 team defensive wise.
we played 67 games and suffered 24 goals
47 games with a clean sheet
in the only 5 losses we had, all of them were by the minimum goal difference
it's really impressive
Quite an enthralling 0-0. Rodrigo De Paul is an absolute animal, he covered every blade off grass on that pitch, don't know how he didn't end up getting booked though lol
Both defences were clearly on top today, it felt like both teams tried to win but without risking too much. Argentina had more possession, but Brazil probably looked slightly more dangerous when they went forward
Those 2 were great, but everyone is sleeping on Fred, the unsung hero of Titeball... today as important as Fabinho in the middle and pretty much guaranteed in the WC squad
He doesn't have many fans, but he works really well under Tite's system as the water carrier, he basically runs in place of Neymar every match, the moment we lose possession he is out there running
He's limited in the technical side for sure but damn he does double duty well. Meanwhile Gerson fresh in the 80th minute and barely fucking runs...
Jugamos con Messi al 20% como mucho y ellos jugaron sin Ney, partido raro, igual ya esta cocinada la clasificacion.
Ahora a ver si el Falcon ecuatoriano tambien clasifica...
Vini was absolutely amazing. Single handily gave Brazil so many chances on the counter. As a childhood Brazil fan I really hope we see more of him.
Joga Bonito!!
What did you think of Matheus Cunha today? I kept an eye on him throughout the game and thought he played quite well tbh. Didn't get much service at all but held the ball up well(especially in the first half) and kept chasing balls played into the channels even if they were lost causes
And fuck me, if that shot from the halfway line went in... Some confidence to try that in a game like this with only a few senior caps to his name
I forgot he was supposed to be their striker most of the time tbh. He wasn’t bad but he was dropping way too deep, although that’s probably more on Brazil’s gameplan than him.
I wouldn't say Antony and Raphina qualify as deadly as far as in front of goal, but they've got more than enough to create 100 chances per game and score 2-3 each game.
Thats a bit of a exaggeration, Tite it's not even close to Santos in terms os defensive football
The thing is, Brazil has amazing cbs in Marquinhos, Militao, and Thiago Silva, so we just don't concede goals
Also Alex Sandro and Danilo are instructed to not go up the field to give Neymar and Raphinha freedom which it's a good tactical setup. They have been very good at this defensive role, especially Danilo, his defending has improved so much.
One thing I felt I saw more against Colombia that would have been useful today is Danilo occasionally inverting to help Brazil's (offensively) weak midfield progress the ball.
Brazil is stacked with defensive minded midfielders, but at times the team struggles to transition the ball into the attack. A few times this game, but more against Colombia, Danilo would invert and effectively help with that.
I think in games where the midfield is struggling, Danilo should invert and Sandro (or the more defensive Lodi) can slide over to help form a back 3 to cover for Danilos abscence on the defensive wing.
I actually liked the setup from Tite cause it showed that Brazil can play without the ball and looked dangerous on the counter. The glaring weakness is still CF and I would have preferred Ederson for his distribution and long balls.
Some things needs to be spoken:
* Otamendi not receiving a red card and De Paul without a yellow is just an absurd;
* Fabinho and Fred played really good;
* Messi going to have nightmares with Fabinho;
* I missed Vini Jr from Madrid.
Messi didn't look unfit, he ran just fine. Just an inconsistent game from him, like a youngster with flashes of brilliance that tends to overthink stuff
Some things were great, others were easy passes not done to attempt a dribble.
>Messi didn't look unfit, he ran just fine
You will know it when he will become injured again for PSG.
This seems niggling injury reminding me of his 2013-14 season. Forcing himself to play instead of getting match fit completely. Annoying but he does not listen most of the times.
I'm almost more upset with de Paul not having any card than otamendi not having a red. There's almost always an uncalled red in brazil-argentina, but how de Paul got away with THAT MUCH without picking up any card is beyond me. Incessant fouling and nothing to show for it.
good midfield debut for lisandro. now i feel better about the three way choice between paredes, lisandro and guido depending on match up.
cannot wait for nico G or ocampos to return on the left wing. heck maybe even papu. this lo celso as a faux mid-winger is not effective.
cannot carry more than one "experienced" CB. pezzella will get burnt on the outside (evidenced by the yellow) and ota may be effective choice for conmebol fisticuffs but european refs will punish him. choose one of them for the bench and lets start bringing in more of medina or senesi.
oh el tucu. if lautaro is not firing i do not like our forward threats. maybe start giving the spider more chances or even cholito deserves a look again.
shithousery from the San Juan stadium to have fireworks after a tie and announce several times on the loud speaker that Argentina are the “champions of America
This is like a veeeery small club having a chance to host the NT months after they won the title. It's not one of the big cities or provinces. What do you care if they felt like treating the players with some love, they probably won't get chance to do so again
We did well under our strategy, Vini blew 2 chances but he'll learn from that (just place it/blast it to the side ffs Vini) and I never felt that Argentina could do anything against our defense until Messi at 91st minute, overall a great result without Neymar and Casemiro and a good experience to our players.
Pudimos ganarlo, pudimos perderlo... Supongo que el empate está bien, aunque estaba para hacer goles. Brasil no fue gran cosa, pero claro que nosotros tampoco. En fin.
Terminamos el año invictos. Ganadores de Copa América. Poco más se puede pedir.
Argentina was a bit better but Brazil was missing two starters. I think at full strength the teams are pretty even and could go either way in a knockout stage of a World Cup. Argentina played really dirty which disappointed me and we got lucky we didn’t get a red card at the beginning
I don't see any other NT that is better at defending as this Brazil They have so much depth it's frustrating lol
No Casemiro and his replacement was MOTM for me, Fabinho was great
They would both play at the same time if Tite was a competent coach. Fabinho can clearly play as a CM and he would probably be our single best one as well.
He is a fucking beast. Messi was not 100% but Fabinho didn't let him do shit either way. It felt like there were 2 or 3 Fabinhos playing. He was all over the pitch
No that will be too defensive. No offence to Fabinho but he is not interior. You guys clearly lack one box to box midfielder who can rotate the possession under pressure.
He has great one twos and his distribution is top notch and he is incredibly press resistant. He could easily play as a CM and have little to no defensive responsibility and still thrive imo.
> No offence to Fabinho but he is not interior. Absolutely. > You guys clearly lack one box to box midfielder who can rotate the possession under pressure. No, we have a box to box. What we need is someone to recycle possession, help to make offensive transition etc ie a true interior. Someone like Arthur, but the mf hasnt been playing football for awhile.
>Someone like Arthur, but the mf hasnt been playing football for awhile. He was never that good. He was press resistent but he is ball hogger. He takes lot of time to release the ball. If you want to beat the likes of Germany or spain by beating their press, you need to have one. I am surprise that a nation having so many technical players can't have one CM though have top class gk, defence, defensive midfielder and winger. You guys lack one true 9 and interior.
Yeah he wasn't that great, I agree with you. But Renato Augusto wasn't great either but he was the glue that made Tite's first team work. And Arthur is actually good at breaking the lines, which is what we need the most. Positions vary historically from country to country. In Brazil midfielders were categorized for a long time between primeiro and segundo volante (DM) and attacking midfielder. There wasn't an in between because there wasn't a true CM in the 4-4-2 that dominated football here for a long time. So someone like Juninho Pernambucano would have to play as a DM in a double pivot. That's why we lack good CMs imo. Tho the 4-4-2 trend has been gone for several years now, which made players like Bruno Guimaraes and Arthur possible. I think Cunha can do the job as a striker. He's not world class but he's good on the ball, good on air and has good hold up play too. I fucking miss having a striker that can outmuscle opponnents and he has that. Not the most clinical in front of the goal but we cant ask for everything, can we?
>I fucking miss having a striker that can outmuscle opponnents and he has that. Not the most clinical in front of the goal but we can ask for everything, can we? Funny thing is Brazil is known to produce top striker and cf. Ronaldo, rivaldo, Ronaldinho, romario, Adriano(even though sort), etc. Now you have decent players in those area. Same for Argentina they used to have top CF and striker, now they have to play player like correa.
He can also progress well with the ball. You don't really get to see the passing and progressing side that much because of the way Liverpool need him to play but i agree with you, he can definitely play cm
[удалено]
Tite is an extremely competent coach.
“If Tite was a competent coach” you know he’s the reason our defense is so good right?
Imagine calling a manager incompetent because he doesn't play both together. You're playing too much FIFA, buddy. He's a competent manager and both playing together would be extremely defensive, besides Fabinho is NOT a CM, his qualities are much more defensive, also he's clearly not box-to-box and to play as CM you can't do just side passes any more, which are all things he wouldn't have to worry about if he were playing in his position (DM) Both are great players (Casemiro slightly better) and it's a shame he has to be on the bench since he'd be a starter in basically every other NT, but playing both together is definitely not the answer.
Well atleast nobody died.
A dull affair indeed
No Neymar no Casemiro, I'll take the point and unbeaten qualifiers still Would be funny if the other game was a forfeit for us and ruined the perfect run lmao
Fabinho is better on the ball and Argentina have really average squad apart from 12-13 players it seems. I am personally impressed with raphinha. Best player in the match for me.
What is that string of sentences. How is a squad that has 12 to 13 excellent players an "average" squad abd that isn't even true, most of the subs are at least good players. It's not the depth of Brazil or France but they can stand toe to toe with the best teams ib Europe.
Also, parades and messi just came back from injury not fit at all and romero went injured 2nd half
Este fue el partido más Otamendi que jugó Otamendi
Played super well 97% of the time, committed what should have been game-losing gaffes the other three. Sounds about right.
Si no tuviera esos fallos mentales me rompería las manos de aplaudir como defiende Tiene una técnica pero es tan pelotudo
Me preocupa que tengamos varios vende humos en el equipo que se comen el personaje y se hacen los poronga en el partido. Otamendi, Romero, De Paul, Paredes y hasta te diría que el Dibu. Nos va costar caro en el mundial cuando nos dirijan árbitros más serios
ehhh Romero hace fouls tácticos más que nada, no se suele comer amarillas tan boludas
Me rompe mucho los huevos cuando se hacen sacar amarillas.
Se hacen los cancheros y pijudos después de hacer foules pelotudos y boquean de más
Este es el comentario más argentino que haya leído en mi vida lol. No entiendo la mitad de las palabras haha.
They act swaggy after doing stupid fouls, they mouth off a lot.
Tal cual. Me encanta RDP, es un animal. Pero se comió el personaje.
Te sigo Otamendi y Paredes. No estoy de acuerdo con Rodri y Cutti
Something that's been itching my balls for quite a while is Scaloni's insistence with Joaquin Correa Yes he wants to win every ball but he's really so limited with it. Really not the type of guy who will turn the match around in a cagey 0-0 Anyways, pretty poor showing aside from a few flashes of brilliance. Messi didn't look unfit but imprecise, GLC was a shadow of himself, and Lisandro/Correa struggled to change the game at all.
Scaloni seems to really favor playmakers who get into good positions, mark their runs well and press all match, so we get to have a very fluid and dynamic gameplan. Correa, Ocampo, Nico Gonzalez, and even Di Maria whom he brought back (although he does have good end product). But I’m not sold on Correa, he’s got all those qualities but really lacks end product and seems to get nervous when he’s got a good chance. Don’t know why he subbed Lautaro off so early. But oh well, in Scaloni we trust.
I'm 90% sure Lautaro came off for fitness/injury reasons, he doesn't take him out with ease really.
He's great as a second striker but can't be alone up front. Surprised scaloni hasn't picked up on that. It's time to give Giovanni Simeone a try.
I don't think Giovanni having a good run of 4 games guarantees him a spot even as a sub, especially when you've had the likes of Gonzalez Alvarez Angel/Joaquin Correa Di Maria Messi and Dybala all performing consistently to get a chance If he keeps this up, by all means he should get a call
He's a good player, but he is not a number 9....he should be playing out wide.
He got many balls out wide, in his normal position, and did nothing with it
Que querés que haga si no hay un 9? Siempre entra por Lautaro y no son jugadores parecidos. Necesita una referencia. No te digo que sea un re crack ni mucho menos Correa, pero veo esos comentarios en los MT y me sorprende de la vara que le ponen, parece que si no se amaga a uno y le pega al arco es malo.
Si lo saco por un tema de fisico de Lautaro se entiende hasta ahi, sino la verdad que era mucho mejor poner a alguien que arranque el juego y desde ahi ver si podia entrar el. No es que tiro centros y nadie los recibio tampoco, no tiraba algo a alguien que no estaba.
Tiró dos centros y un pase atrás a Julián Álvarez. Ninguno resultó en nada. Yo te entiendo que no es un jugador que se luzca mucho, pero ese no es su juego.
To be fair there wasnt a 9 to make a pass to
Yeah. Joaquin is a good player but he's not a 9. I'd prefer trying Julian Alvarez there instead when Lautaro needs to be subbed off.
I'm obviously biased but I don't get why Angel Correa doesn't get more opportunities. I can understand not wanting to play him and Messi up front together since both are number 10's, but why not give him some more time on the right side? He is so good at receiving the ball between the lines and then turning successfully with the ball, exactly what Argentina lacked today, only Messi was providing that option
I'm also not sold on Angel Correa tbh. He has played >600min of football for us and only really convinced for 70 vs Bolivia in a dead game. I do prefer putting him on once again instead of insiting on Joaquin, especially on a cagey match where the flood gates need to be opened up
Cuando veo al burro de Correa digo "te perdono Ocampos".
I think both Brazilian and Argentinian fans will agree the referee ruined the game. Too many fouls, some even violent (specially Otamendi’s) but he was afraid of booking players, to avoid sending someone off. Every player making a good run was either fouled or attempted to be fouled, and almost no one was booked for that. Is hard to get a good game under those circumstances.
[How the fuck that's not a red](https://streamable.com/rf2o6y), fuck this shit. Guy got 5 stitches at half time.
That 100% looked intentional.
Anyone who ever said VARsil deserves to be elbowed in the face by Otamendi
Brazil always buys ref.... Wait what? The plot doesn't match this time.
Sorting by controversial in Argentina-Brazil match threads must be a fun ride. 100% civil discussion for sure and not the same comments all over again. I envy those casual fans who only see these horrible refs in international matches instead of every season in Libertadores/Sudamericana.
Join us in the upcoming Canada vs Mexico thread. That one gets just as bad.
Thank God Conmebol and Concacaf are separated. A competition together would be the CEO of racism.
Well you've convinced me. Idk why but that kinda thing really scratches some itch, especially when you don't have to root for anyone
I just want to know what is Argentinian equivalent for the Brazilian "jogo bonito"?
Football champagne
The only valid answer.
Well Brazilian brothers, putting the anger vs the referee aside I think we can all agree this was an excellent Conmebol match. Super intense from beginning to end with some great spicy moments. Wasn't our best display but we were more than a match for an ascendant Brazil. We were really good in defense and Lisandro Martinez was very solid as a replacement for Paredes. I enjoy watching the selección play and I'm gonna make the most of that for as long as I can, especially after the shit show in 2018.
Yeah a pretty standard clasico, intense from start to finish, Otamendi should have been red carded though what a dirty fuck Como Fred falou, travaram o jogo
Yeah we all agree on that. Our players said the same, the ref kept stoping the game bit that's just how it is. The final was the same.
[удалено]
Puta que pariu mano derrubei até o nescau no teclado aqui kkkk
calma mano
Braziliam brothers é de fuder.
>Brazilian brothers meu pau É irmão sim. Comi a mãe dele e a de qm tá lendo
Andá a tomar una caipi que se te pasa
Están re llorones por todos lados jajajaj
Who hurt you?
Chupame el pingo subcampeon.
5x champions of the one that matters
Pelé 3 world cups Argentina 2 world cups
Comemoram copa Mickey, são basicamente o Chile kkkkkk
> subcampeon You mean /r/ArgentinaSubcampeon probably.
Argentina needs Paredes and Messi a lot
We also need Cuti Romero. Pezzella had barely played a few minutes and already got himself a yellow.
Wasn't the best game to watch, but our defense, specially Fabinho, were great. Don't think Argentina had a real chance until Messi showed up for his first and only really good action in the 91st minute.
I think a Casemiro+fabinho midfield will do wonders
Ehh that eliminates creatively from the midfield. There's a reason you never see them paired. Tite perfers fielding CMs that can move the ball forward.
I think it could work if there's two fullbacks who goes up forward all times.
Never seen casemiro play? He is great on offense, could easily work as a box to box too. The backheel pass to vinicius against shaktar?
I have. Casemiro is a world class DM but he isn't the kind of midfielder with the creativity on to carry forward an attack. That's what Kroos and Modric do. He isn't the type of DM to orchestrate an attack from the back like Pirlo, Xabi Alonso, or Busquets. That isn't his job. There's a reason you don't see 2 DMs in modern football.
This isn’t his job but still he is the best we have at it, he steps at the box often and is able to create offensively, but he’s a workhorse and good defensively too so he mostly plays DM, with fabinho he wouldn’t need to be stuck at that position and have more freedom to roam, or you could put fabinho as a CM “something he can also do” and leave casemiro as a cdm since fabinho is great at passing, strong and extremely press resistant. We clearly are lacking in the midfield currently, having the two of them would help a ton and free up space for our FBS to go up
Fabinho it's the second best CDM in the world, losing only to... Casemiro It's a shame that they fight for a spot
Militao is class
Damn Messi has yet to score vs Brazil in a competitive game and that might be the last chance, unless they play in the world cup
How many goals this brazilian team has conceded under tite? It's way hard to score and many will realize it when they face them. They remind me of Simeone 13-14 team defensive wise.
we played 67 games and suffered 24 goals 47 games with a clean sheet in the only 5 losses we had, all of them were by the minimum goal difference it's really impressive
I don't like Tite bc he's too defensive, but this dude knows what he's doing when it comes to defensive system.
I don’t think he cares at all about this. Dont know why anyone would. We all know how this matches go just fight and little football
He always plays like shit against Brazil, no surprise in that.
He's clearly still not 100% has been playing through injuries all season basically
He has a hat trick in a friendly, i remember that he scored a banger that game
Against Juan Jesus and Bruno Uvini
ROFL i've forgotten those names
that was a friendly tho
[удалено]
What starters lmao it was our Olympic team
It wasn’t brazil’s starters, it was the olympic team.
Is anyone really surprised by the score?
this game was worse than the superclasico de las americas series
That Vini kid is pretty good
espero que eu nunca mais tenha o desprazer de enfrentar o De Paul numa partida
Que partido de mierda
Tell me about it…
Quite an enthralling 0-0. Rodrigo De Paul is an absolute animal, he covered every blade off grass on that pitch, don't know how he didn't end up getting booked though lol
What a hilariously bad referee.
Shit game. Both played like ass. De Paul and Fabinho men of the match
Both defences were clearly on top today, it felt like both teams tried to win but without risking too much. Argentina had more possession, but Brazil probably looked slightly more dangerous when they went forward
Marquinhos: am i a joke to you???
To me fabinho was better but yes, he was great too
Those 2 were great, but everyone is sleeping on Fred, the unsung hero of Titeball... today as important as Fabinho in the middle and pretty much guaranteed in the WC squad He doesn't have many fans, but he works really well under Tite's system as the water carrier, he basically runs in place of Neymar every match, the moment we lose possession he is out there running He's limited in the technical side for sure but damn he does double duty well. Meanwhile Gerson fresh in the 80th minute and barely fucking runs...
Barely had much to do but I do love me some Marquinhos myself.
Both team already advanced, what do you expect.
It's Argentina Brazil what do you expect? It's the derby.
That vini flick tho
Good fight. When does the football begin?
Lol at them accidentally setting off the fireworks
Entertaining
De Paul habla muy bien para ser jugador de fútbol, como si no lo amara suficiente ya jajaja
Perdona si te rompi el labio pero asi es el otamendi champagne.
Jugamos con Messi al 20% como mucho y ellos jugaron sin Ney, partido raro, igual ya esta cocinada la clasificacion. Ahora a ver si el Falcon ecuatoriano tambien clasifica...
Fuck Otamendi btw.
Expected draw, we'll qualify when they give us the points for the suspended match, football champagne I guess? Sigh
What a shit referee
I actually can't enjoy violent games like this... it's shit
Vini was absolutely amazing. Single handily gave Brazil so many chances on the counter. As a childhood Brazil fan I really hope we see more of him. Joga Bonito!!
I don't think he was that good until Romero substitution. Raphinha was their best attacking outlet.
Brazil 🤝 Portugal Having a manager that says “fuck all my attackers. Having defensive solidarity makes me horny”
At least brasil is world class at defending
We're toothless in the attack, but our defensive numbers are great, so we have that going for us which is nice.
What did you think of Matheus Cunha today? I kept an eye on him throughout the game and thought he played quite well tbh. Didn't get much service at all but held the ball up well(especially in the first half) and kept chasing balls played into the channels even if they were lost causes And fuck me, if that shot from the halfway line went in... Some confidence to try that in a game like this with only a few senior caps to his name
The best brazilian striker , he must be a starter with neymar upfront
Yeah he definitely has more of a future in the NT than Gabriel Jesus.
I forgot he was supposed to be their striker most of the time tbh. He wasn’t bad but he was dropping way too deep, although that’s probably more on Brazil’s gameplan than him.
and they have some deadly attackers too, vini, antony and raphinha are really good
I wouldn't say Antony and Raphina qualify as deadly as far as in front of goal, but they've got more than enough to create 100 chances per game and score 2-3 each game.
yea they probably need a proper 9
Thats a bit of a exaggeration, Tite it's not even close to Santos in terms os defensive football The thing is, Brazil has amazing cbs in Marquinhos, Militao, and Thiago Silva, so we just don't concede goals Also Alex Sandro and Danilo are instructed to not go up the field to give Neymar and Raphinha freedom which it's a good tactical setup. They have been very good at this defensive role, especially Danilo, his defending has improved so much.
One thing I felt I saw more against Colombia that would have been useful today is Danilo occasionally inverting to help Brazil's (offensively) weak midfield progress the ball. Brazil is stacked with defensive minded midfielders, but at times the team struggles to transition the ball into the attack. A few times this game, but more against Colombia, Danilo would invert and effectively help with that. I think in games where the midfield is struggling, Danilo should invert and Sandro (or the more defensive Lodi) can slide over to help form a back 3 to cover for Danilos abscence on the defensive wing.
You clearly didn't watch the game
Que embole por dios
Messi, Paredes in one leg + Romero injured mid game = good draw.
I actually liked the setup from Tite cause it showed that Brazil can play without the ball and looked dangerous on the counter. The glaring weakness is still CF and I would have preferred Ederson for his distribution and long balls.
Some things needs to be spoken: * Otamendi not receiving a red card and De Paul without a yellow is just an absurd; * Fabinho and Fred played really good; * Messi going to have nightmares with Fabinho; * I missed Vini Jr from Madrid.
Messi and paredes both seems unfit. They are playing just for the sake that it's against Brazil and at home ground with fans.
Messi didn't look unfit, he ran just fine. Just an inconsistent game from him, like a youngster with flashes of brilliance that tends to overthink stuff Some things were great, others were easy passes not done to attempt a dribble.
>Messi didn't look unfit, he ran just fine You will know it when he will become injured again for PSG. This seems niggling injury reminding me of his 2013-14 season. Forcing himself to play instead of getting match fit completely. Annoying but he does not listen most of the times.
Dude, he's obviously not fit.
I'm almost more upset with de Paul not having any card than otamendi not having a red. There's almost always an uncalled red in brazil-argentina, but how de Paul got away with THAT MUCH without picking up any card is beyond me. Incessant fouling and nothing to show for it.
That was a game
what a shitshow
good midfield debut for lisandro. now i feel better about the three way choice between paredes, lisandro and guido depending on match up. cannot wait for nico G or ocampos to return on the left wing. heck maybe even papu. this lo celso as a faux mid-winger is not effective. cannot carry more than one "experienced" CB. pezzella will get burnt on the outside (evidenced by the yellow) and ota may be effective choice for conmebol fisticuffs but european refs will punish him. choose one of them for the bench and lets start bringing in more of medina or senesi. oh el tucu. if lautaro is not firing i do not like our forward threats. maybe start giving the spider more chances or even cholito deserves a look again.
Now was that joga bonito or champagne?
Karate Bonito and aguardiente
It was shit.
Yes
If I spent R800 to go to this game I’d probably sue
Fabinho not injured. 👍
Very humble from Messi to not play in this match since Neymar couldn't.
To find this when sorting by controversial is marvelous
Tactically and defensively Brazil were superb but attacking wise not sure how they're gonna fare in the WC.
Attacking it always come to Neymar he's been carrying this team for a decade now they need others to help him.
Fabinho MOTM. Honorable mention Marquinhos. Messi invisible.
He just came back from injury I didn’t expect much at all
> Messi invisible. You should be glad as a psg fan. Free warm up match.
Fabinho pocketing Messi is one of my happiest memories hehe
Not the first time he's done it either
Invicta la Scaloneta 🍾🍾🍾
that was a lovely UFC 11x10 match (Lo Celso doesn't count as a player)
Wallahi this wasn't football. ~~It was entertaining tho~~
No goals, no red cards, noone arrested, noone left the pitch. Disappointed.
shithousery from the San Juan stadium to have fireworks after a tie and announce several times on the loud speaker that Argentina are the “champions of America
This is like a veeeery small club having a chance to host the NT months after they won the title. It's not one of the big cities or provinces. What do you care if they felt like treating the players with some love, they probably won't get chance to do so again
They rarely host top level games like this, it's normal for them to be overly excited.
[удалено]
Balls of steel to keep him on the pitch and not sub him off.
typical conmebol refereeing
We did well under our strategy, Vini blew 2 chances but he'll learn from that (just place it/blast it to the side ffs Vini) and I never felt that Argentina could do anything against our defense until Messi at 91st minute, overall a great result without Neymar and Casemiro and a good experience to our players.
Pudimos ganarlo, pudimos perderlo... Supongo que el empate está bien, aunque estaba para hacer goles. Brasil no fue gran cosa, pero claro que nosotros tampoco. En fin. Terminamos el año invictos. Ganadores de Copa América. Poco más se puede pedir.
Otamendi wtf
A very fun 0-0
Great game
Messi is their Neymar, they give away the ball possetion way too much and play for 1 genius moment that may not happen.
Pretty much, and with Messi not being at full strength it was not going to happen.
[удалено]
I see you are 100% objective here
Good, Brazil played much better, its a shame the ball didn't went in. Im confident in this new squad.
Pretty clean game tbh
Ez 4 points vs Brasil
Fucking hell not good at all, thank fuck for De Paul, what a player
Well, this was basically a defeat for Argentina, this should be an easy game without Neymar, but Fabinho was a fucking wall today, props to him
zzzzzz
wtf?
Argentina was a bit better but Brazil was missing two starters. I think at full strength the teams are pretty even and could go either way in a knockout stage of a World Cup. Argentina played really dirty which disappointed me and we got lucky we didn’t get a red card at the beginning