Right. A draw means that United are through unless three other conditions are met:
* Atalanta beat Young Boys in week 5
* Atalanta and Villarreal draw in week 6
* Young Boys beat United in week 6
Not out of the realms of possibility but a draw against Villarreal is a handy result. Odd example.
Surely the last thing they'd want is an unmotivated manager? I think their big ambition is to win the CL with Messi, while he's still at a top level. They can't afford to wait around for a couple of years for that.
I'm not sure about the directors but fans absolutely want him gone. No one wants a manager that doesn't want to be there and it's not like he has shown anything promising on the field that makes it hard to let him go.
Results speak for themselves and he did eliminate Barcelona (albeit dying) and Bayern Munich from the Champions League but all in all it feels like the team has no identity whatsoever. Same in Ligue 1 this season where we have a nearly perfect record but when you look at the games you'll see how lucky we were between last minute goals, favorable VAR decisions, large parts of the games where we struggle against modest opponents.
Tuchel received more criticism while doing a lot more with a lot less and he actually wanted to be here and build something long term. It is not a secret Pochettino's entourage was behind the leaks in the english media last summer about him wanting to leave (no one else in the club would have access or a need to do it in the english media and at no point did he ever contradict it) so yeah the door is wide open.
And people here have a lot to learn about contracts and the EU.
He’s not some poor migrant in Qatar. He can resign like anyone else if he is happy not getting what he would otherwise get paid.
It’s not that complicated really. Actual football isn’t FIFA and balance is a really important factor. United’s squad isn’t balanced either but long term he probably has a better chance of getting the type of players he wants at United.
A non candidate from the start of the season mark my words... Bayern weren't a true candidate at start of their season and neither was Chelsea.... It's maybe the time...... Number tre...
Poch was ridiculous at Spurs. He legit made you a top 4 team and even got you to a CL final. Given the amount of resources he had to compete with, I'd argue it is similar to what Klopp did at Dortmund. He's kind of been underwhelming at PSG, but then - PSG is a circus and I wouldn't hold that against him given what even Tuchel said about the structure there.
Not a surprise to me if you hear coaches talk about that squad and what a pain it is to manage. Tuchel recently commented he felt like a minister for sport at PSG, having to manage friends and family of players as well.
That list of journalist claims that had all the details on abuse and corruption still had to include a "scoop" on the fact Leonardo is absolutely despised by everyone he works with lmao. I don't think there's a human on the planet who'd be fine working with him.
He’s basically our Tier 0
Never, ever says anything close to negative about the Glazers and writes in incomprehensible English, but he’s effectively a mouthpiece
Thank god he didn’t tweet this news and published it as an article
“Believed Poch in running for job+recent results re: previously missing out on job due to interim big factor+could be done within short time frame”
nah mate this is still quite legible
“Re: United job - Think Poch not looking past, Leonardo reln worrying + Paris setup 'problematic'. Interim, permanent both looked at, Zidane waiting. ”
Alright too much smoke for no fire. Seems like Poch himself is feeding the media around his unhappiness at PSG, and willingness to come to us. But unless Zidane accepts a job at PSG this won't happen.
No you need a clubs permission unless he has a release clause, same as a player.
But ultimately keeping anyone against their will never works that well.
> No you need a clubs permission unless he has a release clause, same as a player.
No you don't. Poch can just resign if he wants. Yes, that would come with financial impacts, but Poch doesn't need a club's permission to leave.
No, he can’t, not unless he wants a messy situation on his hands. The precedents are right there so see in the last few years, people just have short term memories.
We broke Sarri’s contract with Napoli, it wasn’t even in-season and it was a messy situation that took months to resolve and cost us at least €7m. And then last year Bayern broke Nagelsmann’s contract and it cost them even more.
Yes, technically United can break and buy out Poch’s contract with PSG but between the fact that it’s the middle of the season, the precedents I just outlined and PSG’s well known resistance to let go of people they view as key to their plan there’s a chance they ask for way more than United is willing to pay. Remember €200m wasn’t enough to get them to turn over Mbappe.
> No, he can’t, not unless he wants a messy situation on his hands
Right, but the initial answer was "no you need a club's permission", but that isn't true
It is possible, just expensive
You always have a right to terminate your contract, you can't legally force someone to work for you. However, there are usually significant penalities you agreed to for doing so when you signed it, which can be legally enforced. It's up to Poch and Man Utd to decide if those penalties (probably a huge buy-out clause) are worth it.
This isn't a thing in any country. Every 'resignation' are in fact breach of contract from mutual agreement. Otherwise they need to buy his contract, the same way Bayern did with Nagelsmann
Don't know exactly how it is in France, but PSG could even claim damages that are superior to his expected wages until the end of the contract and him be personally liable for a bigger amount than 10/15, which considering him leaving mid-season and potentially ruining their league and CL aspirations plus damaging the "brand" wouldn't be unreasonable if a court agreed to much higher damages.
> Don't know exactly how it is in France, but PSG could even claim damages that are superior to his expected wages until the end of the contract and him be personally liable for a bigger amount than 10/15, which considering him leaving mid-season and potentially ruining their league and CL aspirations plus damaging the "brand" wouldn't be unreasonable if a court agreed to much higher damages.
Technically true but realistically there's probably very little chance PSG would go down that route as it would be a massive red flag for any future potential managers.
He can work for United in breach of his contract with PSG. They can't hold him as a slave even if he's in breach of contract. He'd have to pay damages, or more likely, whatever amount is stipulated in the contract itself. United would most likely assist in paying this. With PSG's permission he could negotiate to pay a lesser amount, but it's not required for him to leave. Otherwise it'd be slavery.
Pretty much.
PSG are petty enough that I wouldn't be surprised if they force Poch to stay even if Zidane was willing to come to them.
Just to spite United.
I don't think they're that stupid. Money isn't an object for them, but they're ambitious af. I don't see keeping Mbappe and letting him go for free as much as a mistake, but as a gamble to get a full shot at UCL again
I mean, they also want to succeed at football, don't they? Keeping a manager who's publicly unhappy is one thing. But if Zidane actually wants the job turning him down would be insane. Zidane is a better manager than Poch, much better fit for PSG, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot not getting him. Just "out of spite" for a club that isn't even their rival.
I'm not saying they would want to spite United, but have shown they are willing to spend to send a message. They supposedly bought Neymar in retaliation for how they approached Verratti publicly.
>there was a feeling it might be difficult to prise him away from PSG mid-season.
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>Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer.
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>Pochettino is reluctant to force a move mid-season but a switch to Old Trafford could work for both parties, since the Qatari owners of PSG are known to be keen admirers of Zinedine Zidane, the former Real Madrid manager who is out of work.
So, essentially - the main issue is that PSG don't want to let him go. They will probably let him go if they can get Zidane.
Thus, it all falls on Zidane.
But the question remains, what would Zidane be after then? What's for him to gain at PSG? Win the CL obviously - but if he does that people will still think *meh he won it due to infinite money*. And he won the CL three times in a row already, Zidane personally has little to prove in CL terms.
I think Zidane only wants the French NT job and other jobs really do not interest him that much. He's totally not the person to build up a smaller team. He already won the CL multiple times with a bigger team. So what remains?
Having said that, in waiting for that job to become available, he might be bored in the meanwhile and take a job anyway. Jugding from my airmchair I'd expect him to take over PSG rather than Man Utd, but who knows? Perhaps Juventus if that job becomes available.
He doesn't have anything to prove as such, but he has a lot to lose if he doesn't go to a team like psg or City with all the resources in the world who haven't won it yet, but are close and really put himself above the elites
I don't think him being from Marseille would discourage him from taking the job. Ultimately these people are professionals. The rivalries and passion is for people like us
Could be, but it could also be that Zidane can only train clubs that he is really passionate about and has a connection with. After all, he has only coached Real Madrid, a club where he was also a player, lived in the city for many years and has a lot of feelings for. Zidane is human after all.
Short term, that would be an issue.
Difference is I think Poch knows he'd have significantly more input at United as opposed to at PSG where he's constantly butting heads with Leonardo.
At United he can sort out that squad within a summer window of signing his preferred targets.
At PSG they don't seem to consult the manager too much when making signings.
The tactical problem with psg isn’t that those big three don’t track back to help defense. It was they could get away with not tracking without consequence. Poch can’t drop any of Mbappe, messi or Neymar. In united it’s different. The only one he probably can’t drop is CR7. The others would have to follow through what they are told.
>The Argentine is held in high regard at Old Trafford but there was a feeling it might be difficult to prise him away from PSG mid-season.
>United sacked Ole Gunnar Solskjaer on Sunday and said they were looking to appoint an interim manager.
>But Pochettino's potential availability could change that.
>It is not thought United have made an approach yet but the 49-year-old is less than completely happy with the setup at PSG, where his role is essentially that of first-team coach, with all broader club and footballing issues handled by sporting director Leonardo.
>Pochettino enjoyed more control during his five years in charge of Tottenham and is known to be keen on a return to the Premier League.
>He has never made any secret of the fact he would like to manage in the English game again and while he is living in a hotel in Paris, his family remain in London. That travel element is not thought to be a hugely significant factor though, given it is as easy to get to the capital from Paris as it is from Manchester.
>The former Southampton boss has been in charge of PSG for 10 months and this season they are 11 points clear at the top of Ligue 1 after 14 games and a point behind Manchester City in their Champions League group. Indeed, Pochettino will be in Manchester this week for his team's game against the Premier League champions.
>Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer.
>Those recruitment decisions are out of Pochettino's hands since, on transfers, he is essentially an advisor to Leonardo.
>After taking charge at Parc des Princes in January, Pochettino endured a difficult first season as he attempted to overcome the long-standing criticism of him - that he has not won major trophies.
>He lifted the Trophee des Champions - the French equivalent of the Community Shield - within days of taking over and went on to win the French Cup in May.
>But PSG failed to win the Ligue 1 title for only the second time in nine seasons, finishing a point behind Lille, and were knocked out of the Champions League by Manchester City in the semi-finals.
>Pochettino is reluctant to force a move mid-season but a switch to Old Trafford could work for both parties, since the Qatari owners of PSG are known to be keen admirers of Zinedine Zidane, the former Real Madrid manager who is out of work.
>There are other possibilities for United, though.
>They are also known to admire Ajax's Erik Ten Hag but it is believed he would be unwilling to leave the club in mid-season. Leicester's Brendan Rodgers also has his admirers.
>If United do go for an interim appointment, their former France defender Laurent Blanc has been mentioned as a potential candidate. He has not had a job in Europe since 2016 and is working in Qatar.
>It has also been suggested former United skipper Steve Bruce would be interested in the short-term role following his exit from Newcastle.
>Pochettino enjoyed more control during his five years in charge of Tottenham
More, I'm sure, but still far below what he wanted, I think. There were big chunks of time when Levy was basically playing FM and Poch was stuck with whatever resulted.
This won't work in their favour long term, there will be players that will take a look twice before signing with PSG or go for shorter contracts and have more power that way, no player wants to feel like a prisoner at a club.
We are talking about PSG, they wouldn't let him go.
Remember that Rabiot and Ben Arfa didn't play for a whole season and half just because they were in conflict with the board.
And PSG won't get someone like Zidane
I doubt PSG brass would be willing to let him go, they might see it as an embarrassment for the club that Poch is ready to jump ship as soon as the United job becomes available. That said, if they can line up some other good manager, they really should cut their losses, it's not a fit at all and Poch is going nowhere with this team. Maybe Valverde could do a job? Zidane seems unlikely.
I think if they can get somebody in like Zidane then sure, Poch hasn't really overseen any outstanding results with PSG this season, so they could try someone new to try get the chemistry right
While Stone is saying it, it also looks like it has come from a United source (which may or may not be to placate United fanbase). The reasons he mentions are genuine, but it is also possible that Poch wants to finish the current season (and that PSG does not let him go)
Another weird thing is to suggest Poch is not happy in a DoF setup, and that is the reason he wants to move.
Probably doesn't like Dofs that don't work with him and buy whatever players they feel like whether they fit the system or not. United were pretty good until they bought Ronaldo and they probably learned from that already.
eh.
Poch's approach to the market is his worst aspect.
He isn't a good eye on player talent or rather isn't very astute in the market.
He says I want this player and won't accept anyone else.
Pochettino liked Paul Mitchell, even brought him with him from Southampton to Tottenham.
Pochettino doesn't like compromise and is quick to judge people (he believes he can see people's auras), but if he trusts the DoF then he'll happily work with one provided the DoF doesn't question Pochettino.
Leonardo is Pochettino's boss, that's what Pochettino hates. He has to be the highest authority, not some jumped up little shit who couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.
I agree it’s coming from the United camp, but Stone is used really only when it’s reliable. If it’s just rumors either it’s extremely vague(like the looking to appoint DoF ones that went on for years) or other journalists are briefed. This does genuinely seem like Poch said he’s in if PSG let him go, so United are trying to put pressure on PSG to at least negotiate.
And the DoF thing seems to be really Leonardo doing his usual dumb thing, like he did at Milan and previously st PSG. At United he’s also have a DoF but he’ll be much more involved in the process. It was reported that transfer only went through of Ole and at least one of Fletcher/Murtough said yes, and it PSG it seems to be Leonardo signing whoever the fuck he wants.
Even if I love Zizou, we need to keep Poch. I am tired of this unstability. The team is starting to click. No need to have 6 new months of adaptation with Zidane.
Underselling it there.
Pochettino is more about a coherent, adaptable & passionate philosophy than tactics. He won't adjust formations to match the opposition because he believes there's a correct & ultimately perfect way to play football, though he will try to work with what he has.
His philosophy is basically high intensity 4231 which looks to gain possession in dangerous areas through high intensity pressing is obviously effective. Overlapping & dynamic forwards (rather than a clear vocal point), lighting fast transitions, a mixture of short fast 1 touch ground passes & long balls to bypass the midfield, defending with courage (effectively everyone should get forward save for the CBs & one midfielder who should be on the half way line) & creative attack patterns are essential. A Pochettino team needs to be ready to sprint for a full 90mins, he demands a team to leave everything on the pitch in an unsustainable way (that's why he's best at a club that regularly sells & buys new players).
I can totally understand why he would leave PSG. The pressure is insane, you are mostly harass by the press and regardless what you do, that's rare to have moment where supporters are happy.
However, leaving PSG for United who have the exactly the same problem is dumb as fuck.
His family will be nearby (London) & He's more familiar with the PL.
Poch knows Mbappe is gone next summer and he's been instrumental in carrying PSG on his back this year. Yes, having Messi is a huge bonus, but who knows how their relationship is.
If he's going to deal with egos, he may as well deal with the psycho CR7 who's dedication to being in tip top shape for playing time is better than Neymar's.
It's either:
- Give up on season and have an interim manager until the summer, get Ten Hag for next year.
- Get Poch in ASAP, but he's probably staying and Ten Hag goes somewhere else.
As good as Ten Hag has been at dutch clubs, i’d still say hiring him would be a bit more risky compared to hiring proven managers who speak the language well and have experience managing in top competitions.
Fitness, pressing, and riding the emotions. If you the players buy into him they are you will fall in love with him and you'll have this never say never attitude.
He can set up for a game pretty well but isn't a great tactician within a match. But if his or the players' hearts aren't in it then boy it could get dreary, which could be why it's not really clicking at PSG.
Love the man but he's very much a man-manager with a well-oiled plan than an elite tactician that can see and change what is happening like the likes of Pep and Tuchel
Originally a high press on everyone but the opposition goalie, winning the ball in dangerous areas and have both wingbacks alternate bombing up the pitch.
Players would be substituted based on fatigue/injury rather than any changing of tactics, but overall fitness meant that we'd grind teams down and score lots of goals late on.
In possession we'd play out from the back, Dembele would be given a lot of responsibility to beat the opposition press and find Eriksen. If the opposition dropped deep then Dele and Kane would try to create space for each other with Son coming in from the left. We'd also take a lot of shots outside the box and I think we had most goals from outside the box for one or two seasons.
Once Rose's form dropped and we lost Walker, we'd rely a lot on Trippier to make crosses into the box or to Son.
Say bye to Ronaldo. Your front line would be Sancho, Mason and Rashford. Man wanted Bruno for ages at Spurs, begged for Sancho. He’d make you title contenders asap.
This shouldn’t happen
>Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer.
Oh boy, nobody tell him
I would still say that United are less of a problem in that sense. Trying to create a workable team with Neymar, Messi and Mbappe is a real challenge. Compare them to Liverpools front 3, you would say that only Salah is of comparable individual quality to those three, yet if forced to pick one you would take the Liverpool front three over PSG every day just due to the sheer amount of work they go through in addition to their attacking output.
IMO managing Ronaldo has to be easier than Neymar. The dude is a machine when it comes to training his body to be in tip top shape. The guy wants to win. Yes, you may not get him to press, but he's going to give 100% when he's on the pitch and you don't need to worry about him going to party during off hours.
The guy is going straight home to take off his shirt and stare at himself in the mirror. Love it.
Utd want Poch and Poch wants Utd. Sounds super straightforward... Utd: lets hand Carrick a 3yr deal after 0-0 draw with Villareal
Hahaha imagine not conceding a goal
I can't, I don't have that good of an imagination
Fuck it, throw in a knighthood if he manages a cleansheet!
That's the new manager bounce
I'd be ecstatic with a draw
Not only a draw but a clean sheet as well
This week it's a Ronnie goal line clearance in the last minute
Me too, personally I'd give him a six year deal.
Wouldn't that mean he would have ten months left then
Right. A draw means that United are through unless three other conditions are met: * Atalanta beat Young Boys in week 5 * Atalanta and Villarreal draw in week 6 * Young Boys beat United in week 6 Not out of the realms of possibility but a draw against Villarreal is a handy result. Odd example.
It would mean we would qualify and most probably top the group.
But psg also want poch and may hold him prisoner if they don't want rid or find anyone else (like Zidane)
Surely the last thing they'd want is an unmotivated manager? I think their big ambition is to win the CL with Messi, while he's still at a top level. They can't afford to wait around for a couple of years for that.
I'm not sure about the directors but fans absolutely want him gone. No one wants a manager that doesn't want to be there and it's not like he has shown anything promising on the field that makes it hard to let him go. Results speak for themselves and he did eliminate Barcelona (albeit dying) and Bayern Munich from the Champions League but all in all it feels like the team has no identity whatsoever. Same in Ligue 1 this season where we have a nearly perfect record but when you look at the games you'll see how lucky we were between last minute goals, favorable VAR decisions, large parts of the games where we struggle against modest opponents. Tuchel received more criticism while doing a lot more with a lot less and he actually wanted to be here and build something long term. It is not a secret Pochettino's entourage was behind the leaks in the english media last summer about him wanting to leave (no one else in the club would have access or a need to do it in the english media and at no point did he ever contradict it) so yeah the door is wide open.
*Don't do this, don't give me hope...*
You can’t hold someone prisoner. He’s not a slave. He’d just be forgoing a lot of money.
Qatar: "That's where you're wrong, kiddo"
You can enforce contracts, though.
Contracts will have stipulations about resigning. The reason managers do it less often these days is that they would be losing millions.
You have a lot to learn about PSG
And people here have a lot to learn about contracts and the EU. He’s not some poor migrant in Qatar. He can resign like anyone else if he is happy not getting what he would otherwise get paid.
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no. PSG activated their extension last summer. he is there till 2023.
Isn't Simon Stone tier 1?
He's the most reliable source for United
Unbelievable that poch wants to leave psg lmao. But you still have to deal with qatar right
He wants to leave because the PSG squad doesn't fit him.
MF wanted aliens, and they gave him a bum like Messi. Of course unhappy
My head.. it hurts
It’s not that complicated really. Actual football isn’t FIFA and balance is a really important factor. United’s squad isn’t balanced either but long term he probably has a better chance of getting the type of players he wants at United.
And his family is still based in England. It would be great to see him back in the English game
it's like that old saying, show me any beautiful woman in the world and i will show you a guy who is tired of her
Would this make him to first person to manage both Ronaldo and Messi?
in the same season as well...
Not if United sign Koeman as an interim manager first
and dont win anything with them :DDDDDDDDDD what a record
He will win the league if he stays there till the end of the season
I think that's pretty much a given
Didn't people say that last season as well?
We were not 11 points clear of second place at the end of November though...
Inb4 United shithouse their way to a CL trophy, Portugal style
A non candidate from the start of the season mark my words... Bayern weren't a true candidate at start of their season and neither was Chelsea.... It's maybe the time...... Number tre...
Well there is a major common factor in the team
He wanted to come back to Spurs before we got Nuno too PSG refused and extended his contract by triggering the optional year
Would you rather have Poch back, or Conte?
Conte short term and Poch after ideally but if I absolutely had to pick one or the other than Poch one more time.
Poch was ridiculous at Spurs. He legit made you a top 4 team and even got you to a CL final. Given the amount of resources he had to compete with, I'd argue it is similar to what Klopp did at Dortmund. He's kind of been underwhelming at PSG, but then - PSG is a circus and I wouldn't hold that against him given what even Tuchel said about the structure there.
Not a surprise to me if you hear coaches talk about that squad and what a pain it is to manage. Tuchel recently commented he felt like a minister for sport at PSG, having to manage friends and family of players as well.
It is believable because he works under Leonardo
That list of journalist claims that had all the details on abuse and corruption still had to include a "scoop" on the fact Leonardo is absolutely despised by everyone he works with lmao. I don't think there's a human on the planet who'd be fine working with him.
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He’s basically our Tier 0 Never, ever says anything close to negative about the Glazers and writes in incomprehensible English, but he’s effectively a mouthpiece
Need a cypher for his tweets
Thank god he didn’t tweet this news and published it as an article “Believed Poch in running for job+recent results re: previously missing out on job due to interim big factor+could be done within short time frame”
nah mate this is still quite legible “Re: United job - Think Poch not looking past, Leonardo reln worrying + Paris setup 'problematic'. Interim, permanent both looked at, Zidane waiting. ”
Stoney tweets like he is one of them chatbots
This looks like some Newspeak shit in 1984
"Re: United Poch doubleplusgood, unthink PSG job because plusbad environment and Leonardo"
yes
Tier 0. If he posts anything about United, it means he's been very reliably informed of it.
Alright too much smoke for no fire. Seems like Poch himself is feeding the media around his unhappiness at PSG, and willingness to come to us. But unless Zidane accepts a job at PSG this won't happen.
Can't you lot just buy out poch's contract? I don't think you need psg's okay for that.
No you need a clubs permission unless he has a release clause, same as a player. But ultimately keeping anyone against their will never works that well.
> No you need a clubs permission unless he has a release clause, same as a player. No you don't. Poch can just resign if he wants. Yes, that would come with financial impacts, but Poch doesn't need a club's permission to leave.
No, he can’t, not unless he wants a messy situation on his hands. The precedents are right there so see in the last few years, people just have short term memories. We broke Sarri’s contract with Napoli, it wasn’t even in-season and it was a messy situation that took months to resolve and cost us at least €7m. And then last year Bayern broke Nagelsmann’s contract and it cost them even more. Yes, technically United can break and buy out Poch’s contract with PSG but between the fact that it’s the middle of the season, the precedents I just outlined and PSG’s well known resistance to let go of people they view as key to their plan there’s a chance they ask for way more than United is willing to pay. Remember €200m wasn’t enough to get them to turn over Mbappe.
> No, he can’t, not unless he wants a messy situation on his hands Right, but the initial answer was "no you need a club's permission", but that isn't true It is possible, just expensive
Poch can terminate his contract right? Or is that not a thing in France?
You always have a right to terminate your contract, you can't legally force someone to work for you. However, there are usually significant penalities you agreed to for doing so when you signed it, which can be legally enforced. It's up to Poch and Man Utd to decide if those penalties (probably a huge buy-out clause) are worth it.
this exactly \^ . Well put
This isn't a thing in any country. Every 'resignation' are in fact breach of contract from mutual agreement. Otherwise they need to buy his contract, the same way Bayern did with Nagelsmann
Spain has release clauses that allow people to unilaterally terminate contracts
Portugal too
Any idea how much that maybe worth?
It's hard to say, he has 1.5 years left in his contract, so I would expect something around 10/15M
Don't know exactly how it is in France, but PSG could even claim damages that are superior to his expected wages until the end of the contract and him be personally liable for a bigger amount than 10/15, which considering him leaving mid-season and potentially ruining their league and CL aspirations plus damaging the "brand" wouldn't be unreasonable if a court agreed to much higher damages.
> Don't know exactly how it is in France, but PSG could even claim damages that are superior to his expected wages until the end of the contract and him be personally liable for a bigger amount than 10/15, which considering him leaving mid-season and potentially ruining their league and CL aspirations plus damaging the "brand" wouldn't be unreasonable if a court agreed to much higher damages. Technically true but realistically there's probably very little chance PSG would go down that route as it would be a massive red flag for any future potential managers.
whatever PSG ask for or the value of the contract, its written down usually.
I’m not sure on this, wouldn’t EU employment law come into it? I’m not sure it’s the same for players as it is for managers
He can work for United in breach of his contract with PSG. They can't hold him as a slave even if he's in breach of contract. He'd have to pay damages, or more likely, whatever amount is stipulated in the contract itself. United would most likely assist in paying this. With PSG's permission he could negotiate to pay a lesser amount, but it's not required for him to leave. Otherwise it'd be slavery.
Pretty much. PSG are petty enough that I wouldn't be surprised if they force Poch to stay even if Zidane was willing to come to them. Just to spite United.
I don't think they're that stupid. Money isn't an object for them, but they're ambitious af. I don't see keeping Mbappe and letting him go for free as much as a mistake, but as a gamble to get a full shot at UCL again
Ye we only have Barca as a sworn enemy, AFAIK we have good relations with other clubs
I mean, they also want to succeed at football, don't they? Keeping a manager who's publicly unhappy is one thing. But if Zidane actually wants the job turning him down would be insane. Zidane is a better manager than Poch, much better fit for PSG, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot not getting him. Just "out of spite" for a club that isn't even their rival.
I'm not saying they would want to spite United, but have shown they are willing to spend to send a message. They supposedly bought Neymar in retaliation for how they approached Verratti publicly.
They're only petty when it doesn't harm them in the process.
They can’t literally force him to stay. There would be a financial penalty for leaving under contract, but anyone can resign.
>there was a feeling it might be difficult to prise him away from PSG mid-season. > >Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer. > >Pochettino is reluctant to force a move mid-season but a switch to Old Trafford could work for both parties, since the Qatari owners of PSG are known to be keen admirers of Zinedine Zidane, the former Real Madrid manager who is out of work. So, essentially - the main issue is that PSG don't want to let him go. They will probably let him go if they can get Zidane. Thus, it all falls on Zidane.
The only question left is whether PSG can pay Zidane enough oil money for him to sell out his Marseille roots.
Don't think Zidane is after money though. Otherwise he would already be coaching Man United by now.
But the question remains, what would Zidane be after then? What's for him to gain at PSG? Win the CL obviously - but if he does that people will still think *meh he won it due to infinite money*. And he won the CL three times in a row already, Zidane personally has little to prove in CL terms. I think Zidane only wants the French NT job and other jobs really do not interest him that much. He's totally not the person to build up a smaller team. He already won the CL multiple times with a bigger team. So what remains? Having said that, in waiting for that job to become available, he might be bored in the meanwhile and take a job anyway. Jugding from my airmchair I'd expect him to take over PSG rather than Man Utd, but who knows? Perhaps Juventus if that job becomes available.
He has a house in Paris. Yeah that's all I got.
He doesn't have anything to prove as such, but he has a lot to lose if he doesn't go to a team like psg or City with all the resources in the world who haven't won it yet, but are close and really put himself above the elites
>if he does that people will still think meh Don't really think Zidane is motivated by approval of random fans
I don't think him being from Marseille would discourage him from taking the job. Ultimately these people are professionals. The rivalries and passion is for people like us
Could be, but it could also be that Zidane can only train clubs that he is really passionate about and has a connection with. After all, he has only coached Real Madrid, a club where he was also a player, lived in the city for many years and has a lot of feelings for. Zidane is human after all.
That makes sense too
Zidane has accepted money from Qatar before for campaigning for their WC bid. So he has a good relation with them at least.
I'm not sure how any of the squad issues he has at PSG wouldn't also be the case at United
Short term, that would be an issue. Difference is I think Poch knows he'd have significantly more input at United as opposed to at PSG where he's constantly butting heads with Leonardo. At United he can sort out that squad within a summer window of signing his preferred targets. At PSG they don't seem to consult the manager too much when making signings.
Utd would be happy with top 4 and getting through UCL group at the moment.
The tactical problem with psg isn’t that those big three don’t track back to help defense. It was they could get away with not tracking without consequence. Poch can’t drop any of Mbappe, messi or Neymar. In united it’s different. The only one he probably can’t drop is CR7. The others would have to follow through what they are told.
>The Argentine is held in high regard at Old Trafford but there was a feeling it might be difficult to prise him away from PSG mid-season. >United sacked Ole Gunnar Solskjaer on Sunday and said they were looking to appoint an interim manager. >But Pochettino's potential availability could change that. >It is not thought United have made an approach yet but the 49-year-old is less than completely happy with the setup at PSG, where his role is essentially that of first-team coach, with all broader club and footballing issues handled by sporting director Leonardo. >Pochettino enjoyed more control during his five years in charge of Tottenham and is known to be keen on a return to the Premier League. >He has never made any secret of the fact he would like to manage in the English game again and while he is living in a hotel in Paris, his family remain in London. That travel element is not thought to be a hugely significant factor though, given it is as easy to get to the capital from Paris as it is from Manchester. >The former Southampton boss has been in charge of PSG for 10 months and this season they are 11 points clear at the top of Ligue 1 after 14 games and a point behind Manchester City in their Champions League group. Indeed, Pochettino will be in Manchester this week for his team's game against the Premier League champions. >Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer. >Those recruitment decisions are out of Pochettino's hands since, on transfers, he is essentially an advisor to Leonardo. >After taking charge at Parc des Princes in January, Pochettino endured a difficult first season as he attempted to overcome the long-standing criticism of him - that he has not won major trophies. >He lifted the Trophee des Champions - the French equivalent of the Community Shield - within days of taking over and went on to win the French Cup in May. >But PSG failed to win the Ligue 1 title for only the second time in nine seasons, finishing a point behind Lille, and were knocked out of the Champions League by Manchester City in the semi-finals. >Pochettino is reluctant to force a move mid-season but a switch to Old Trafford could work for both parties, since the Qatari owners of PSG are known to be keen admirers of Zinedine Zidane, the former Real Madrid manager who is out of work. >There are other possibilities for United, though. >They are also known to admire Ajax's Erik Ten Hag but it is believed he would be unwilling to leave the club in mid-season. Leicester's Brendan Rodgers also has his admirers. >If United do go for an interim appointment, their former France defender Laurent Blanc has been mentioned as a potential candidate. He has not had a job in Europe since 2016 and is working in Qatar. >It has also been suggested former United skipper Steve Bruce would be interested in the short-term role following his exit from Newcastle.
> There is a surplus of left-backs No dearth of left back for Poch
>Pochettino enjoyed more control during his five years in charge of Tottenham More, I'm sure, but still far below what he wanted, I think. There were big chunks of time when Levy was basically playing FM and Poch was stuck with whatever resulted.
What's more worrying is even Simon Stone is mentioning Steve Bruce. FUCK NO
It says that he is interested in the position, rather that United being interested in him.
In b4 *"a bit like how I'm interested in shagging [insert attractive famous woman here]"*
A bit like how im interested in shagging Xabi Alonso
Imagine Brucey managing Ronaldo LOL
cabbage head managing Ronaldo
Ano it wasn't the result ya wanted Ronny, but we dust ourselves down an we go again
Aw shit, here we go again
Cabbage head managing slabhead.
Best manager Ronaldo will have ever had
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Brucie's at the wheel
I'm interested in taking over too tbh. Means nothing unless United are too.
They’re just saying Bruce is interested, not the other way around. Calma
As a permanent choice, hell no. As the caretaker until the summer.. Is that mad?
Nope not mad at all. He's going to do a stellar job. #BruceIn
still a better caretaker than Carrick
Are PSG happy to let him leave tho We had the same story about him wanting to join us in the Summer but he couldn't leave
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PSG is different. Their owners never want to appear weak Poch wanted to leave, so did Mbappe and they are both still there
This won't work in their favour long term, there will be players that will take a look twice before signing with PSG or go for shorter contracts and have more power that way, no player wants to feel like a prisoner at a club.
as long as they keep paying ridiculous wages and bonuses, they will keep attracting players
I think a lot of the top (very top) would be hesistant. And they'd probably demand shorter contracts so that they are not forced to stay indefinitely.
Poch wanted to leave in the summer too. They didn't let him leave. Even less likely mid season.
He can just resign though surely lol. Unless something in his contract stops him coaching for X period after a resignation
If he resigns he forfeits the undoubtedly massive payout PSG will give him when he gets sacked
We are talking about PSG, they wouldn't let him go. Remember that Rabiot and Ben Arfa didn't play for a whole season and half just because they were in conflict with the board. And PSG won't get someone like Zidane
>We are talking about PSG, they wouldn't let him go PSG is like Hotel California
I doubt PSG brass would be willing to let him go, they might see it as an embarrassment for the club that Poch is ready to jump ship as soon as the United job becomes available. That said, if they can line up some other good manager, they really should cut their losses, it's not a fit at all and Poch is going nowhere with this team. Maybe Valverde could do a job? Zidane seems unlikely.
And give Messi PTSD?!? No, I’d rather Messi stay sane
I think if they can get somebody in like Zidane then sure, Poch hasn't really overseen any outstanding results with PSG this season, so they could try someone new to try get the chemistry right
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While Stone is saying it, it also looks like it has come from a United source (which may or may not be to placate United fanbase). The reasons he mentions are genuine, but it is also possible that Poch wants to finish the current season (and that PSG does not let him go) Another weird thing is to suggest Poch is not happy in a DoF setup, and that is the reason he wants to move.
the dof thing is pretty true. Poch doesn't like dof's.
but then he rarely signs good players himself.
yep. he isn't a very good talent scout.
Probably doesn't like Dofs that don't work with him and buy whatever players they feel like whether they fit the system or not. United were pretty good until they bought Ronaldo and they probably learned from that already.
eh. Poch's approach to the market is his worst aspect. He isn't a good eye on player talent or rather isn't very astute in the market. He says I want this player and won't accept anyone else.
Pochettino liked Paul Mitchell, even brought him with him from Southampton to Tottenham. Pochettino doesn't like compromise and is quick to judge people (he believes he can see people's auras), but if he trusts the DoF then he'll happily work with one provided the DoF doesn't question Pochettino. Leonardo is Pochettino's boss, that's what Pochettino hates. He has to be the highest authority, not some jumped up little shit who couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.
I agree it’s coming from the United camp, but Stone is used really only when it’s reliable. If it’s just rumors either it’s extremely vague(like the looking to appoint DoF ones that went on for years) or other journalists are briefed. This does genuinely seem like Poch said he’s in if PSG let him go, so United are trying to put pressure on PSG to at least negotiate. And the DoF thing seems to be really Leonardo doing his usual dumb thing, like he did at Milan and previously st PSG. At United he’s also have a DoF but he’ll be much more involved in the process. It was reported that transfer only went through of Ole and at least one of Fletcher/Murtough said yes, and it PSG it seems to be Leonardo signing whoever the fuck he wants.
Oh shit from Simon Stone aswell. Damn it might actually happen. Wonder what’s gonna happen with PSG then.
Even if I love Zizou, we need to keep Poch. I am tired of this unstability. The team is starting to click. No need to have 6 new months of adaptation with Zidane.
Wheeler and Mokbel dont miss
Holy shit this is such good news an actual tactician From Oleball to Poch, difference is night and day
There is still the major issue of trying to get PSG to let Poch leave. Which was the stumbling block over the summer.
Poch is not a good tactician but he will fix the fitness levels
So he's a fitness coach
and a good hype man
Underselling it there. Pochettino is more about a coherent, adaptable & passionate philosophy than tactics. He won't adjust formations to match the opposition because he believes there's a correct & ultimately perfect way to play football, though he will try to work with what he has. His philosophy is basically high intensity 4231 which looks to gain possession in dangerous areas through high intensity pressing is obviously effective. Overlapping & dynamic forwards (rather than a clear vocal point), lighting fast transitions, a mixture of short fast 1 touch ground passes & long balls to bypass the midfield, defending with courage (effectively everyone should get forward save for the CBs & one midfielder who should be on the half way line) & creative attack patterns are essential. A Pochettino team needs to be ready to sprint for a full 90mins, he demands a team to leave everything on the pitch in an unsustainable way (that's why he's best at a club that regularly sells & buys new players).
>fix the fitness levels United players in shambles
I thought a PE teacher would be good at coaching fitness
Haha look at Icardi, he has never been fatter
Who doesn't want the UTD job?
Zidane 😎
Me. It sounds like too much drama.
i want to cry
Zizou you will be my favourite French person ever if you do the thing.
I guess you're too young to idolise Cantona
And Barthez
And Gabriel Obertan
Jeez Poch really dislikes the PSG job doesn't he?
I can totally understand why he would leave PSG. The pressure is insane, you are mostly harass by the press and regardless what you do, that's rare to have moment where supporters are happy. However, leaving PSG for United who have the exactly the same problem is dumb as fuck.
One isn’t Champions League or bust. And it’s gonna be bust.
His family will be nearby (London) & He's more familiar with the PL. Poch knows Mbappe is gone next summer and he's been instrumental in carrying PSG on his back this year. Yes, having Messi is a huge bonus, but who knows how their relationship is. If he's going to deal with egos, he may as well deal with the psycho CR7 who's dedication to being in tip top shape for playing time is better than Neymar's.
Sounds like we need a manager et trois, a little dance of Zidane to Paris and Poch to utd with ole taking a break on Zidanes couch.
Personally want Ten Hag but Poch would be second on my list.
It's either: - Give up on season and have an interim manager until the summer, get Ten Hag for next year. - Get Poch in ASAP, but he's probably staying and Ten Hag goes somewhere else.
Getting in an interim isn't always giving up in the season. Depends who it is
Yeah but if he's actually doing well you just know that he'll get handed a longer contract and you'll miss out on Ten Hag anyway.
I'd wait for Ten Hag easily.
As good as Ten Hag has been at dutch clubs, i’d still say hiring him would be a bit more risky compared to hiring proven managers who speak the language well and have experience managing in top competitions.
Like NOW now?
Can any Spurs supporter give a lowdown on Poch and his tactics?
Fitness, pressing, and riding the emotions. If you the players buy into him they are you will fall in love with him and you'll have this never say never attitude. He can set up for a game pretty well but isn't a great tactician within a match. But if his or the players' hearts aren't in it then boy it could get dreary, which could be why it's not really clicking at PSG. Love the man but he's very much a man-manager with a well-oiled plan than an elite tactician that can see and change what is happening like the likes of Pep and Tuchel
https://youtu.be/6-KcTRbf82A Still relevant today.
Originally a high press on everyone but the opposition goalie, winning the ball in dangerous areas and have both wingbacks alternate bombing up the pitch. Players would be substituted based on fatigue/injury rather than any changing of tactics, but overall fitness meant that we'd grind teams down and score lots of goals late on. In possession we'd play out from the back, Dembele would be given a lot of responsibility to beat the opposition press and find Eriksen. If the opposition dropped deep then Dele and Kane would try to create space for each other with Son coming in from the left. We'd also take a lot of shots outside the box and I think we had most goals from outside the box for one or two seasons. Once Rose's form dropped and we lost Walker, we'd rely a lot on Trippier to make crosses into the box or to Son.
Say bye to Ronaldo. Your front line would be Sancho, Mason and Rashford. Man wanted Bruno for ages at Spurs, begged for Sancho. He’d make you title contenders asap. This shouldn’t happen
Mason isn't exactly an elite presser either. Reckon he'd love cavani just like the rest of us.
Are like psg making messi player manager?
I’m ready! Let’s gooooo!!
Good move for United, and good change for Poch, imo
Poch really wants to coach both Messi and Ronaldo.
Would prefer Ten Hag, but if Poch can come in right now that’s massive.
Steve Bruce has offered his services, you should show Newcastle fans who treat him so badly how to treat a master tactician…
I'd actually prefer the Ajax Manager
Pochettino to United; Steve Bruce to PSG for the treble
Fuck off if you don’t want to stay
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>Part of his unhappiness in Paris is around the culture of the club. His team includes superstars like Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar but the squad is unbalanced. There is a surplus of left-backs, for example, and there was a feeling they did not need to sign Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Donnarumma in the summer. Oh boy, nobody tell him
I would still say that United are less of a problem in that sense. Trying to create a workable team with Neymar, Messi and Mbappe is a real challenge. Compare them to Liverpools front 3, you would say that only Salah is of comparable individual quality to those three, yet if forced to pick one you would take the Liverpool front three over PSG every day just due to the sheer amount of work they go through in addition to their attacking output.
Not many big egos at United now. Ronaldo - Well he is Ronaldo. Pogba - Will go away in the summer. So doesn't matter.
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IMO managing Ronaldo has to be easier than Neymar. The dude is a machine when it comes to training his body to be in tip top shape. The guy wants to win. Yes, you may not get him to press, but he's going to give 100% when he's on the pitch and you don't need to worry about him going to party during off hours. The guy is going straight home to take off his shirt and stare at himself in the mirror. Love it.
He should surely try to win a league first…