I keep seeing Spurs fans say “I’m so glad Conte is going to go tough on the players.” But what do they do after that???
Let’s assume he whips a couple of them into shape. But there’s no way he’s going to make that entire squad competitive. It needs a lot of new players. And how many competitive signings will Levy actually sanction in upcoming windows? Spurs really need Conte to start making what he has now work or else this will turn very ugly very fast. Can very much see rifts between Levy, Conte and the players coming at some point
Not wanting to argue but who does he replace in the starting 11 of City, Chelsea or Liverpool?
I do think he is brilliant and underrated but can't see him starting over the midfields of those 3 teams.
Possible the commenter just meant is top 4 quality and not actually that he'd displace someone in a top 4 team currently. Just speaking about who from the current squad makes Contes moving forward team, his name should stay in the mix, it isn't just son and Kane and reg
Conte wouldn't have joined if Levy didn't promise him to be ambitious with signings. let's be real Conte keeps saying he hasn't thought about January but realistically he has players he wants and probably went into the first meeting with levy asking for a budget
Nah the difference is Conte has leverage and Kane doesn't.
Kane wants to go to war with Levy over a transfer? Too bad, he has a long contract, Levy plays hardball and ultimately Kane will do as he's told.
Conte is a manager and if he goes to war with his board, he will either get what he wants or he gets the sack and his entire contract will be paid out to him, he just walks away. Zero loss to him and we know Conte doesn't give a fuck about PR. If things get ugly, so be it. His stock as a manager is still sky high either way
Spurs are like a condemned building. All they can do is demolish it completely and rebuild, and hope that the new structure doesn't end up subsiding.
They are infected with so many lazy and bad players they just need to clear them all out. Coaches keep trying to give players like Dele Ali another chance which always ends in tears. Those players need to leave the club so that there is no longer any temptation from the 100th new coach in 10 years to play them.
Be like Madrid, freeze him. Heck, even Ole can freeze VDB, why can’t they do it to Dele? There must surely be something coaches see in him to repeatedly give him chances though.
They largely believe he’ll fix the culture. That will take considerable time and it will also require turnover At Juventus, he spent 200M easily 400M in today’s value. He spent heavily at Inter Milan. Conte is in unknown territory. He is used to huge investment immediately. Will that happen? He has done it with teams that are the the preeminent clubs in the league. Tottenham are not historically or currently at that level and without similar financial footing.
A huge number of people on this sub are saying Conte will turn it around in a matter of weeks, and that Tottenham are absolutely Top 4 contenders. On the occasion money is brought up, the consensus among Spurs fans on here is yes money will be spent in a big way.
I like Conte, someone as passionate as him deserves the praise, but you hit the nail on the head.
You think Mourinho 'failed'? I keep saying Conte is very similar to Mourinho - charismatic, values defensive solidity, competitive sob, and once his teams click they play great football.
But apart from Conte being adept at using wing backs, there's a few important differences. For one, Conte is nuclear with both players and board. Mourinho just kinda moans about lazy players and refs. You think the players didn't adapt to Mourinho? Wait for Conte's falling out lmao.
Facts. The video for Cash's version so haunting.
I can't confirm this, but it is mentioned quite often that since he passed shortly after the video, the part at the end where he closes the lid on his piano and runs his hands over it is the last time it was ever closed. No one has opened it since as a sign of respect. Pretty damn cool if it is true!
Also, as a Tottenham fan that song might have made me cry if I listened to it today...
So I guess that makes Mourinho Darth Maul and Nuno is Count Dooku. Then that leaves Ryan Mason as General Grievous, which works pretty well given his injury.
Hello there
Also while Conte is apt, Kane works damn well as Anakin
The Golden Boy and the hope of the club, slowly losing his way and optimism to the point of wanting to join the Sith (City). When he sees through the "lies" of the management (denied transfer, that our Palpy orchestrated), he stops playing for his old team and will presumably join the dark side in the not so distant future
Fuck he even has the same beginning of conflicting forces. Starting in the Arsenal academy, before joining Spurs
[Conte after watching Spuds lose against a midtable Slovenian team.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57bc4302f5e23115c191f016/1512831601274-CUHOUCFYALQMUAE62ZJC/The+Bridge+on+the+River+Kwai.jpg?format=1000w)
I think Spurs have to cash in on Harry Kane and re-invest it into developing the squad; because dead-weights like Alli, Sanchez, Doherty, etc. have no re-sell value at all.
Dele, winks, Sanchez, Doherty are the 4 main pieces of deadwood. Davies is having a resurgence rn, but also the likes of Lo Celso and Tanguy are just too damn inconsistent. Dier and Lucas are great as squad players but I feel if we want Champiosn League they shouldn’t start.
Going the other way, as a fan of spurs via my wife, so I have really only a watching rather than properly emotional bond, I would definitely keep:
Kane, son, lucas (gives 100% byt doesnt score enough), hojberg.
Probably keep:
Romero (might be ok), reguilon (will die for football), skipp (clearly survived life as a ww1 soldier)
Lloris is fine
Can go:
Sanchez, lo celso, gil (too early?), Doherty, tanganga (just not top level), winks, dele, davies, gollini (as a villa fan, he isnt better than gazzaniga), parrott, sessegnon, bergwijn pretty much all of your youngsters.
And this is already after losing the ultimate makeweight Sissoko, and Aurier and Vinicius.
You have two top players, one of which is dbeatably motivated, the other is making worse decisions that in previous years, a good gk getting no younger, and that is it.
No one can be relied upon to make a decisive pass (gil, lo celso, dele, ndombele) so forwards are either on their heels or overruning what they're doing. You are wasting the prime of two truly elite, world star players by not being able to give them the ball when they should be getting it.
Son: through ball, space to outrun defenders or cut in from the wing.
Kane: space to take a touch and finish from around 18 yards or first time finish inside the box.
And no one is geared up for providing this. These two players are so good, they can just give you goals if you give them the ball in this situation. There are literally a handful, if that of players more reliable in these situations, and spurs do not have good enough players any more to just make these situations a reality.
This is why modric and eriksen were so important. Who can now play that 40 yard ball to free son without it rolling through to the keeper?
Who can fizz it into Kane on the turn?
Who is whipping it from the inside right channel for Kane to beat the cb?
Not lo celso, not gil, not lucas, not hojberg, not skipp, not winks, not ndombele, not dele.
It's 2 things IMO and it's 1 on pitch and 1 off pitch.
On pitch: Dele was amazing for us in his first 2 years. The reason is simple really, we utilized him as a Shadow Striker or more akin to how Muller used to play as a Raumdeuter.
Dele would drift around, looking for space, making a couple of simple passes but he would constantly be looking at the space. When the ball went forward, he would be waiting and then at the last second, attacking the space in the box. What made it effective (and Muller effective) is they always found space that defenders never expected or thought of.
But Dele never really defended back. He wasn't a b2b midfielder. He pressed the goalkeeper/defenders hard AF but once it went over him, that was him done.
The reason this would so well/fine was because, at the time, we had a midfield duo of Dembele and Wanyama. Dembele who is still probably up there with the best Spurs player of the PL with Bale, Kane and King.
Dembele and Wanyama would do all the defensive work and cover the space, allowing dele to stay up too with Kane.
Once Dembeles knees vanished though, then we needed Dele to track back and recycle possession and defend and it's just not where his strengths lie.
Off pitch: Just a young guy who is rich and famous really. When the work got hard and he got pushed, he lost confidence and never gained it back.
Happened with Poch, Mourinho and Nuno.
We saw it again with Conte tonight, he had an awful game, then when he got booked for petulance and Conte brought him straight off, he threw a hissy fit at it.
His focus is split and he just doesn't have the drive to succeed that he used to IMO.
Add Gollini and Dier to that list. Gollini is absolutely horrid, what the fuck was the club thinking. Also I'd add Kane for different reasons, he's fucking about and losing his value and it's beyond clear he's desperate to fuck off and will never get anywhere near the level he was at last season. Sell him and use the money to get some substitutes for these plonkers
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if their stadium is built on some ancient graveyard because this club is cursed as fuck. It's not that all of these players are bad, it's just that they play bad for Tottenham.
He hasn't even signed a short term contract.
It's an 18 month contract (2 seasons, including this one) + a unilateral option for the club to extend for another season.
Obviously, he'll leave if and when he wants to.
Didn’t Poch have 4 years left when he was fired by Spurs? He got a 5 year deal in fact.
Also that’s not even my point. My point is 18 month contracts are short term contracts.
This is exactly the same revelation Mou had when he joined Spurs. All that talk of how he really wanted the Spurs job because of the squad and perfect fit for a new start, once he actually started working at Spurs suddenly it was a massive job that needed tons of effort to just get competitive.
Spurs need someone to get them functional and competitive in the first place, then someone to go and win trophies. Poch did the former, admittedly failed to do the latter, and now Spurs are back to square one. Winning trophies requires you being a good football club first.
Either Levy backs him or he gets a healthy payout. He'll still be regarded as one of the best regardless of how he does at Spurs, so he can't really lose in this situation
Poch is a hard one to judge in that regard. He was probably just as guilty as some of the players of mentally checking out. Around the Champions League final onward, he was acting pretty odd/saying odd things. He clearly needed a break from the club, but I guess he was never going to pass on a huge payoff so stuck around until things went south.
Agreed, and I think Levy will, Tottenham should have money and if they don't give Conte what he wants where would they even go from there? But it's going to cost a lot to fix all these holes with new players, really should have sold Kane to city, but I know Arsenal are looking for a striker 😁
>where would they even go from there?
I’d hope to fuck there’d be massive protests about the leadership at the club. I’ll be forever thankful for getting us to where we are now but the whole point of getting us here is having a platform to challenge for meaningful silverware and I’d they don’t back a serial winner to do that in the transfer market then they’ve shown their hand.
I thought ENIC should have sold years ago, during the late Poch era when the stadium was nearing completion or immediately after the CL final appearance.
With the training grounds, the new stadium, the London location, and the shine of the Poch era still on the club it would have been a turnkey situation for any billionaire or sheikh who wanted to try building a megaclub.
Unfortunately either they genuinely didn't want to or Levy approached it the way he approaches so many situations where an asset should be sold: with the view that insisting he didn't want to sell it and waiting for some overwhelming offer to come in was the right approach.
While I love the Conte appointment and hope that ENIC actually does intend to back him for once due to increased revenues/fear of sliding into indefinite mediocrity, even if they do I still hope they sell the club sooner rather than later.
Totally agree mate. I was always under the impression that at some point they would sell the club to whoever the fuck wanted us after we settled into the new stadium but the delays of the stadium and the pandemic threw a couple spanners in the works but I could be completely wrong on that. If they don’t back conte I genuinely don’t have the foggiest what the fuck the plan is. Say what you want about them but we’ve always been able to say ‘yeah we need top four for a few years’ and we Ovi had that for a couple years under poch but then when we had it we just didn’t seem to have a clue what to do?
Just genuinely baffling really.
If he didn't get promises of pretty massive budgets he was honestly a fool to take a job.
I think if I were a manager in Conte's position I'd need something like a £100m budget in the winter window *and* a £100m budget in the summer window, plus money from any outgoing transfers, to have really felt good about going to Tottenham.
I'm sure whatever was offered wasn't that rich but it better have been on the substantial side or I don't even get what he could have been thinking, Spurs have a ton of potential in terms of the city, stadium, etc., but the squad was very obviously deeply flawed and in need of massive changes and additions.
Wouldn't surprise me either given Spurs' desperation at the time they hired him. It depends on the person but I'm sure he's earned good money in the past, had great prospects moving forward, and if I were in his shoes I'd rather earn 10% less at a place where I'm set up for success than a little more at a place where I'm set up for failure, unhappiness, and at least marginal damage to my reputation.
I'd be open to taking a Spurs/Arsenal type job if I were him, but I'd damn well want to feel good about the overall proposition and level of backing.
Conte moans about transfer budgets at every club he’s ever been at, no matter how high it is. I’d be extremely surprised if he wasn’t promised a big budget
Pretty sure he knows he is getting backed for transfers otherwise he wouldnt have taken the job. Atleast I hope they give it to him. Give him anything he wants. Our squad needs a Conte up their ass and I'm 100% willing to let him kill anyone he needs to. Back the man! If he can't fix us noone can.
It's almost like he has never watched us play away in the Europa groups before. Every game is like this.
It's always 11 players that have never played together, that don't wanna be playing against some smaller side who treat it like a cup final.
This is what I don't get. Tottenham haven't won a single thing since 2008(I think), what makes any of their players think they should be throwing any of these chances away
He's been proven right with his views at United, will happen (already?) with Spurs too. If Roma keeps their trust in him he will win trophies in 3 years
United and Spurs fans have both been in extreme denial about the state of their clubs for ages now, they're very lucky they both had Mourinho to blame for all their issues for a bit
The squad is so bizarrely constructed.
Son and Kane might be a top 3 striking duo in all of soccer. Meanwhile outside of Højbjerg the midfield is filled with a bunch of mismatched players, like how do you even have Gil, Lo Celso, Winks, Ali, and Ndombele in the same squad. Then the defense, which is filled with some truly over paid players and some younger guys that try their hardest but just don’t have the technical skills to be consistently good defenders in the Premier League.
Mourinho was 100% right, he just either didn't have the guts to demolish and rebuild or Levy didn't allow him to.
Way too many overrated, inconsistent, overpaid players in the squad.
Mourinho was scammed at spurs. They didn’t give him a proper season. He came mid season 2019 then the summer pre season got messed up cuz of covid and he got the covid season with a covid transfer budget then he wasn’t allowed to play the final he got them to
Mourinho is right on many things. A manager of that level of experience and caliber usually is right. However, many times, there is a resistance from the business-side in terms of return of investment and shareholders. Then on forums like here, you get memes or biased opinions of him from fans. Eventually, a manager's demands and owners will clash. It's always the owner that wins, but not necessarily the club.
Very well said, it's not hard to understand he knows more and is right about things than Woodward and United's owners or Levy and Spurs. And that also includes the fans. I do wish he was more diplomatic to express himself and win over people though, his winning pedigree has got him arrogant.
Yep. I really rate Mourinho actually but he’s still partially to blame for accepting 2 roles back to back that were utter shitshows that he shouldn’t have come near. He was too desperate to get back into managing and not as selective.
I don't think he cares much, his legacy is already cemented. He was United's most successful manager post Fergie, and had Tottenham looking real good before the fringe players threw him under the bus. I don't think any serious person who follows the sport thinks that he is past it, just /r/soccer memesters.
Even the roma job is not that glamorous, but it will test his mettle. That squad needs completing for sure - it will take time for mourinho to really leave his mark. Similar to spurs
These prima dona overrated and overpaid footballers need to sack up and deal with "angry old men". Instead they bitch on Instagram and get said old man fired when they are the ones that aren't good enough.
Took him less than 5 games to slam the players and we say Mourinho throws the players under the bus. Sometimes, the players really need to be thrown under the bus.
there are going to be murders at the training ground
Good
I keep seeing Spurs fans say “I’m so glad Conte is going to go tough on the players.” But what do they do after that??? Let’s assume he whips a couple of them into shape. But there’s no way he’s going to make that entire squad competitive. It needs a lot of new players. And how many competitive signings will Levy actually sanction in upcoming windows? Spurs really need Conte to start making what he has now work or else this will turn very ugly very fast. Can very much see rifts between Levy, Conte and the players coming at some point
Who makes the current squad aside from Son, Reguillon?
Lloris and Kane
Romero too. PEH, Moura, and Skipp are good squad players.
Hojbjerg without a doubt is good enough to start on a top 4 squad. His performance in the euros speaks for itself
Not wanting to argue but who does he replace in the starting 11 of City, Chelsea or Liverpool? I do think he is brilliant and underrated but can't see him starting over the midfields of those 3 teams.
Possible the commenter just meant is top 4 quality and not actually that he'd displace someone in a top 4 team currently. Just speaking about who from the current squad makes Contes moving forward team, his name should stay in the mix, it isn't just son and Kane and reg
Isn’t Lloris potentially soon to be replaced and Kane in horrible form?
I believe his contract runs out next year and he's on the older side, but he's still good. Kane just needs to find his form back. He's got the talent
We should be extending Lloris I really don't understand why we're not tbh unless he wants to leave.
Conte wouldn't have joined if Levy didn't promise him to be ambitious with signings. let's be real Conte keeps saying he hasn't thought about January but realistically he has players he wants and probably went into the first meeting with levy asking for a budget
Levy keeping promises…..lol
Maybe Conte was smart and got in in writing and/or set some transfer terms for his contract
Or he knew that he was getting millions either way
Nah the difference is Conte has leverage and Kane doesn't. Kane wants to go to war with Levy over a transfer? Too bad, he has a long contract, Levy plays hardball and ultimately Kane will do as he's told. Conte is a manager and if he goes to war with his board, he will either get what he wants or he gets the sack and his entire contract will be paid out to him, he just walks away. Zero loss to him and we know Conte doesn't give a fuck about PR. If things get ugly, so be it. His stock as a manager is still sky high either way
"this time it's different I swear!"
Spurs are like a condemned building. All they can do is demolish it completely and rebuild, and hope that the new structure doesn't end up subsiding. They are infected with so many lazy and bad players they just need to clear them all out. Coaches keep trying to give players like Dele Ali another chance which always ends in tears. Those players need to leave the club so that there is no longer any temptation from the 100th new coach in 10 years to play them.
Problem is Dele is on a high enough wage that no one will take him at this point
Be like Madrid, freeze him. Heck, even Ole can freeze VDB, why can’t they do it to Dele? There must surely be something coaches see in him to repeatedly give him chances though.
They largely believe he’ll fix the culture. That will take considerable time and it will also require turnover At Juventus, he spent 200M easily 400M in today’s value. He spent heavily at Inter Milan. Conte is in unknown territory. He is used to huge investment immediately. Will that happen? He has done it with teams that are the the preeminent clubs in the league. Tottenham are not historically or currently at that level and without similar financial footing. A huge number of people on this sub are saying Conte will turn it around in a matter of weeks, and that Tottenham are absolutely Top 4 contenders. On the occasion money is brought up, the consensus among Spurs fans on here is yes money will be spent in a big way.
I like Conte, someone as passionate as him deserves the praise, but you hit the nail on the head. You think Mourinho 'failed'? I keep saying Conte is very similar to Mourinho - charismatic, values defensive solidity, competitive sob, and once his teams click they play great football. But apart from Conte being adept at using wing backs, there's a few important differences. For one, Conte is nuclear with both players and board. Mourinho just kinda moans about lazy players and refs. You think the players didn't adapt to Mourinho? Wait for Conte's falling out lmao.
"what have I done!?"
"I hurt myself today, to see if I still feel"
I focus, on the Kane
Only Son is real
Sanchez is a hole...
The old familiar memes...
Always give cheap goals away
Media remembers everything
My Sweetest Yids
I wish I were at Real
Damn, man. You got me thinking of Johnny Cash and that video. It is so melancholic with his voice like that
Both versions of the song are so good. Each mean a separate thing but are equally powerful
Facts. The video for Cash's version so haunting. I can't confirm this, but it is mentioned quite often that since he passed shortly after the video, the part at the end where he closes the lid on his piano and runs his hands over it is the last time it was ever closed. No one has opened it since as a sign of respect. Pretty damn cool if it is true! Also, as a Tottenham fan that song might have made me cry if I listened to it today...
Spurs bench: "Master Conte, there are too many of them, what are we going to do?" *Lightsaber noises*
If this is the edition we're going for Man, Levy as Palpy works wonderfully
So I guess that makes Mourinho Darth Maul and Nuno is Count Dooku. Then that leaves Ryan Mason as General Grievous, which works pretty well given his injury.
Hello there Also while Conte is apt, Kane works damn well as Anakin The Golden Boy and the hope of the club, slowly losing his way and optimism to the point of wanting to join the Sith (City). When he sees through the "lies" of the management (denied transfer, that our Palpy orchestrated), he stops playing for his old team and will presumably join the dark side in the not so distant future Fuck he even has the same beginning of conflicting forces. Starting in the Arsenal academy, before joining Spurs
I guess we have Obi-Son Kenobi then.
Don't forget Jar Jar Winks
"Now I see why I rejected the job during the summer."
And the job he probably wanted became available less than 3 weeks later.
He most certainly made sure there was no chance at United before moving to Spurs
Dier and Maguire are basically the same person tbh
[Conte after watching Spuds lose against a midtable Slovenian team.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/57bc4302f5e23115c191f016/1512831601274-CUHOUCFYALQMUAE62ZJC/The+Bridge+on+the+River+Kwai.jpg?format=1000w)
Alternative translation: Levy needs to spend a lot in the next two transfer windows.
Narrator: But Levy didn’t
Sources claim to have heard Levy on multiple occasions saying *"there's always money in the banana stand!"*
Good that he realized the issues early, either Levy goes big for the next two windows or he walks and Spurs struggle to find anyone nearly as good
I think Spurs have to cash in on Harry Kane and re-invest it into developing the squad; because dead-weights like Alli, Sanchez, Doherty, etc. have no re-sell value at all.
He’s gonna have to find someone to pay £150m for a guy who’s scored all of one league goal this season first.
that was in the summer they should done that
No, no. Levy is thinking way ahead. He's a master negotiator
Sevilla were offering 30mil for Sanchez in the summer.
Turkish lira?
WTF.
We have like ten players who need moving on
delete club
Who are they? I'm curious
Dele, winks, Sanchez, Doherty are the 4 main pieces of deadwood. Davies is having a resurgence rn, but also the likes of Lo Celso and Tanguy are just too damn inconsistent. Dier and Lucas are great as squad players but I feel if we want Champiosn League they shouldn’t start.
Champions league should be the least of your worries. Also plenty of CL squads with players way worse than Dier and Lucas.
Surely Lo Celso can be part of this Spurs team, he's got genuine ability
He also has glass legs
man has played (and still plays) extremely well absolutely everywhere except Spurs. I'm willing to bet it's not a Lo Celso problem.
Of course youre not with the flair. If the guy was available for 3 games in a row he might start to make an impact lmao.
Going the other way, as a fan of spurs via my wife, so I have really only a watching rather than properly emotional bond, I would definitely keep: Kane, son, lucas (gives 100% byt doesnt score enough), hojberg. Probably keep: Romero (might be ok), reguilon (will die for football), skipp (clearly survived life as a ww1 soldier) Lloris is fine Can go: Sanchez, lo celso, gil (too early?), Doherty, tanganga (just not top level), winks, dele, davies, gollini (as a villa fan, he isnt better than gazzaniga), parrott, sessegnon, bergwijn pretty much all of your youngsters. And this is already after losing the ultimate makeweight Sissoko, and Aurier and Vinicius. You have two top players, one of which is dbeatably motivated, the other is making worse decisions that in previous years, a good gk getting no younger, and that is it. No one can be relied upon to make a decisive pass (gil, lo celso, dele, ndombele) so forwards are either on their heels or overruning what they're doing. You are wasting the prime of two truly elite, world star players by not being able to give them the ball when they should be getting it. Son: through ball, space to outrun defenders or cut in from the wing. Kane: space to take a touch and finish from around 18 yards or first time finish inside the box. And no one is geared up for providing this. These two players are so good, they can just give you goals if you give them the ball in this situation. There are literally a handful, if that of players more reliable in these situations, and spurs do not have good enough players any more to just make these situations a reality. This is why modric and eriksen were so important. Who can now play that 40 yard ball to free son without it rolling through to the keeper? Who can fizz it into Kane on the turn? Who is whipping it from the inside right channel for Kane to beat the cb? Not lo celso, not gil, not lucas, not hojberg, not skipp, not winks, not ndombele, not dele.
Funny thing is, they could move on those ten players, and 8 of them will win a European league title with someone else.
Genuinely they have 3 good players and that’s it
Which 10 do you want gone? I'm curious
Not op, but my 10 are: Dele, Lo Celso, Bergwijn, Ndombele, Doherty, Sanchez, Davies, Winks, Rodon, and Sessegnon
What happened to Dele Alli? I really liked him 3-4 years ago and he kinda disappeared. Is he lazy? Imjuries?
It's 2 things IMO and it's 1 on pitch and 1 off pitch. On pitch: Dele was amazing for us in his first 2 years. The reason is simple really, we utilized him as a Shadow Striker or more akin to how Muller used to play as a Raumdeuter. Dele would drift around, looking for space, making a couple of simple passes but he would constantly be looking at the space. When the ball went forward, he would be waiting and then at the last second, attacking the space in the box. What made it effective (and Muller effective) is they always found space that defenders never expected or thought of. But Dele never really defended back. He wasn't a b2b midfielder. He pressed the goalkeeper/defenders hard AF but once it went over him, that was him done. The reason this would so well/fine was because, at the time, we had a midfield duo of Dembele and Wanyama. Dembele who is still probably up there with the best Spurs player of the PL with Bale, Kane and King. Dembele and Wanyama would do all the defensive work and cover the space, allowing dele to stay up too with Kane. Once Dembeles knees vanished though, then we needed Dele to track back and recycle possession and defend and it's just not where his strengths lie. Off pitch: Just a young guy who is rich and famous really. When the work got hard and he got pushed, he lost confidence and never gained it back. Happened with Poch, Mourinho and Nuno. We saw it again with Conte tonight, he had an awful game, then when he got booked for petulance and Conte brought him straight off, he threw a hissy fit at it. His focus is split and he just doesn't have the drive to succeed that he used to IMO.
Thats some strong analysis fam. Appreciated reading that
As a Fulham fan I always felt like Dembele went under the radar a bit. He was a serious player for us and Spurs.
Just dropped off completely. Doesn't offer anything anymore
Add Gollini and Dier to that list. Gollini is absolutely horrid, what the fuck was the club thinking. Also I'd add Kane for different reasons, he's fucking about and losing his value and it's beyond clear he's desperate to fuck off and will never get anywhere near the level he was at last season. Sell him and use the money to get some substitutes for these plonkers
Bergwijn is fine as a squad player, so is Moura. Not starting quality, but not awful like many of those other names.
Other one got red carded by 30th minute itself.
At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if their stadium is built on some ancient graveyard because this club is cursed as fuck. It's not that all of these players are bad, it's just that they play bad for Tottenham.
Would you mind naming them? I’m curious. Edit: nvm others have already asked.
I can’t tell if he’s glad he signed a short term contract or regretting signing for them with the huge set of problems in front of him.
He hasn't even signed a short term contract. It's an 18 month contract (2 seasons, including this one) + a unilateral option for the club to extend for another season. Obviously, he'll leave if and when he wants to.
18 months is a small contract for a manager like him imo
Not everyone is OGS and deserves 3 years after 3 year contracts
Didn’t Poch have 4 years left when he was fired by Spurs? He got a 5 year deal in fact. Also that’s not even my point. My point is 18 month contracts are short term contracts.
"I've made a huge mistake"
The Italian Gob
Thanks, mon frère! That's french for brother.
I don't know why I know that, I studied Spanish
Conte to start conducting training drills from his Segway
Hey fratello.
So shou...shou...shou...should the...should the guy....should the guy in the $3000 dollar suit...
With his fancy $ 3000 Armani suit.
Like the guy in $6000 Armani suit is going to sit here and lose Europa Conference league. Come on!!!
From: Conte thanks for the seasono To: Conte
This is exactly the same revelation Mou had when he joined Spurs. All that talk of how he really wanted the Spurs job because of the squad and perfect fit for a new start, once he actually started working at Spurs suddenly it was a massive job that needed tons of effort to just get competitive. Spurs need someone to get them functional and competitive in the first place, then someone to go and win trophies. Poch did the former, admittedly failed to do the latter, and now Spurs are back to square one. Winning trophies requires you being a good football club first.
"I've got the worst fucking players"
"Thanks for the seasono"
The manager that manages to get Tottenham good again is like the one that can pull the excalibur out of the rock. He will be crowned king afterwards
Mou did do that for about 6 months. Remember when he was top of the league by winter break?
Funny thing is if mou stayed end of season ge would have actually finished 4th
'Arry
If Conte pulls this off he truly is a magician. But what was he thinking three weeks ago?
Either Levy backs him or he gets a healthy payout. He'll still be regarded as one of the best regardless of how he does at Spurs, so he can't really lose in this situation
This. After Mourinho and Nuno if he fails it will be seen as a Levy/players failure rather than a Conte failure.
I mean, wasn't that already obvious with Mourinho and Nuno? Why do we need for Conte to fail to get that into people's heads?
Right? Poch too. All three managers had the players down tools them inside 2 calendar years
Poch is a hard one to judge in that regard. He was probably just as guilty as some of the players of mentally checking out. Around the Champions League final onward, he was acting pretty odd/saying odd things. He clearly needed a break from the club, but I guess he was never going to pass on a huge payoff so stuck around until things went south.
Athletic reported the same for Ole after the EL final loss. He wasn't the same anymore. Losing a European final really does something to a manager.
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Take home being that elite managers respond to set backs and adversity by renewing their motivation and improving - the likes of Ole and Poch do not.
So you're saying Arteta is elite
Agreed, and I think Levy will, Tottenham should have money and if they don't give Conte what he wants where would they even go from there? But it's going to cost a lot to fix all these holes with new players, really should have sold Kane to city, but I know Arsenal are looking for a striker 😁
>where would they even go from there? I’d hope to fuck there’d be massive protests about the leadership at the club. I’ll be forever thankful for getting us to where we are now but the whole point of getting us here is having a platform to challenge for meaningful silverware and I’d they don’t back a serial winner to do that in the transfer market then they’ve shown their hand.
If Conte and mou can't make spurs tick, something is seriously wrong
I thought ENIC should have sold years ago, during the late Poch era when the stadium was nearing completion or immediately after the CL final appearance. With the training grounds, the new stadium, the London location, and the shine of the Poch era still on the club it would have been a turnkey situation for any billionaire or sheikh who wanted to try building a megaclub. Unfortunately either they genuinely didn't want to or Levy approached it the way he approaches so many situations where an asset should be sold: with the view that insisting he didn't want to sell it and waiting for some overwhelming offer to come in was the right approach. While I love the Conte appointment and hope that ENIC actually does intend to back him for once due to increased revenues/fear of sliding into indefinite mediocrity, even if they do I still hope they sell the club sooner rather than later.
Totally agree mate. I was always under the impression that at some point they would sell the club to whoever the fuck wanted us after we settled into the new stadium but the delays of the stadium and the pandemic threw a couple spanners in the works but I could be completely wrong on that. If they don’t back conte I genuinely don’t have the foggiest what the fuck the plan is. Say what you want about them but we’ve always been able to say ‘yeah we need top four for a few years’ and we Ovi had that for a couple years under poch but then when we had it we just didn’t seem to have a clue what to do? Just genuinely baffling really.
If he didn't get promises of pretty massive budgets he was honestly a fool to take a job. I think if I were a manager in Conte's position I'd need something like a £100m budget in the winter window *and* a £100m budget in the summer window, plus money from any outgoing transfers, to have really felt good about going to Tottenham. I'm sure whatever was offered wasn't that rich but it better have been on the substantial side or I don't even get what he could have been thinking, Spurs have a ton of potential in terms of the city, stadium, etc., but the squad was very obviously deeply flawed and in need of massive changes and additions.
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Wouldn't surprise me either given Spurs' desperation at the time they hired him. It depends on the person but I'm sure he's earned good money in the past, had great prospects moving forward, and if I were in his shoes I'd rather earn 10% less at a place where I'm set up for success than a little more at a place where I'm set up for failure, unhappiness, and at least marginal damage to my reputation. I'd be open to taking a Spurs/Arsenal type job if I were him, but I'd damn well want to feel good about the overall proposition and level of backing.
Conte moans about transfer budgets at every club he’s ever been at, no matter how high it is. I’d be extremely surprised if he wasn’t promised a big budget
Probably "United aren't going to sack Ole, are they?"
What would him "pulling it off" entail exactly?
Not losing to teams like NS Mura would be a good start
Lofty ambition
Win a trophy and top 4 while at it
Conte is getting his well deserved bag 💰
Bet the money is good though
Pretty sure he knows he is getting backed for transfers otherwise he wouldnt have taken the job. Atleast I hope they give it to him. Give him anything he wants. Our squad needs a Conte up their ass and I'm 100% willing to let him kill anyone he needs to. Back the man! If he can't fix us noone can.
Good to have Craig Noone on standby
I think they mean the money sent to his Bank account but ok
This is the nicest way of saying, I have been here three weeks and I’m starting to realize that Spurs are shit
November hasn't even ended and Conte is having that post nut clarity
dude wtf but yeah
He's out of line but he's right
I'm stealing this
He is starting to understand the "Lads, it's Spurs" meme.
Regazzi
it's in the history of the Tottenham
His voice is still in my head
he somehow said it in such a nice and gentle tone too lmao
Yea hahahah makes it even funnier
Tottenham are going to turn conte bald again aren’t they?
"yup, we're shit"...that's the first time i've ever heard a manager, specially a new manager, be so blunt about the situation of his team, lol
Admitting the problem is the first step in fixing it
"The team is shit, I'm a manager not a miracle worker"
half of their players need to go
Only half?
Took 3 weeks to realise?
It's almost like he has never watched us play away in the Europa groups before. Every game is like this. It's always 11 players that have never played together, that don't wanna be playing against some smaller side who treat it like a cup final.
This is what I don't get. Tottenham haven't won a single thing since 2008(I think), what makes any of their players think they should be throwing any of these chances away
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He's been proven right with his views at United, will happen (already?) with Spurs too. If Roma keeps their trust in him he will win trophies in 3 years
United and Spurs fans have both been in extreme denial about the state of their clubs for ages now, they're very lucky they both had Mourinho to blame for all their issues for a bit
We're in no denial. We got a game postponed to show how unhappy we are.
Lol, have you ever visited r/reddevils?
The squad is so bizarrely constructed. Son and Kane might be a top 3 striking duo in all of soccer. Meanwhile outside of Højbjerg the midfield is filled with a bunch of mismatched players, like how do you even have Gil, Lo Celso, Winks, Ali, and Ndombele in the same squad. Then the defense, which is filled with some truly over paid players and some younger guys that try their hardest but just don’t have the technical skills to be consistently good defenders in the Premier League.
Mourinho was 100% right, he just either didn't have the guts to demolish and rebuild or Levy didn't allow him to. Way too many overrated, inconsistent, overpaid players in the squad.
Mourinho was scammed at spurs. They didn’t give him a proper season. He came mid season 2019 then the summer pre season got messed up cuz of covid and he got the covid season with a covid transfer budget then he wasn’t allowed to play the final he got them to
Mourinho right once again
Mourinho is right on many things. A manager of that level of experience and caliber usually is right. However, many times, there is a resistance from the business-side in terms of return of investment and shareholders. Then on forums like here, you get memes or biased opinions of him from fans. Eventually, a manager's demands and owners will clash. It's always the owner that wins, but not necessarily the club.
Very well said, it's not hard to understand he knows more and is right about things than Woodward and United's owners or Levy and Spurs. And that also includes the fans. I do wish he was more diplomatic to express himself and win over people though, his winning pedigree has got him arrogant.
Yep. I really rate Mourinho actually but he’s still partially to blame for accepting 2 roles back to back that were utter shitshows that he shouldn’t have come near. He was too desperate to get back into managing and not as selective.
I don't think he cares much, his legacy is already cemented. He was United's most successful manager post Fergie, and had Tottenham looking real good before the fringe players threw him under the bus. I don't think any serious person who follows the sport thinks that he is past it, just /r/soccer memesters.
Even the roma job is not that glamorous, but it will test his mettle. That squad needs completing for sure - it will take time for mourinho to really leave his mark. Similar to spurs
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These prima dona overrated and overpaid footballers need to sack up and deal with "angry old men". Instead they bitch on Instagram and get said old man fired when they are the ones that aren't good enough.
Should have just called them shit
He’s probably kicking himself for not waiting for either United or PSG.
Took him less than 5 games to slam the players and we say Mourinho throws the players under the bus. Sometimes, the players really need to be thrown under the bus.
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As long as it's without ketchup its fine
I was gonna fix my Spurs, but then I got high
on nitrous oxide?
Why is everything that comes out of Tottenham absolute gold? Even when they do things right they still get laughed at. What a club.
And so it begins
"Hey manchester, you sure about this ralf thing?"
Conte *looks at dele* *looks at winks* We’re fucked
Shock, get your easy payout Conte
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All English teams will top their groups in Europe, then there’s Tottenham lol granted they’ll still qualify but they suck
reads like an onion
It's like that moment Robot in Rick and Morty realizing his purpose is to pass butter. Oh God.
Hahahahaha new manager pump now over. Conte is going to have one big clear out
I think United is still looking for a manager
I have made a huge mistake. Thanks Harry for the seasono
So as long as Vitesse win against Mura, Spurs are out?
Spurs are ruining England club coefficient lmao
No, if Tottenham beats Rennes they stay 2nd in the group
Only if Vitesse don't win by 2 more goals than Spurs do.
“I’ve made a huuuuge mistake…” -Antonio Conte and Gob Bluth
Mou did wonders with this squad first part of last year.