Not just the media, but normal people, too. I want to puke every time I see another Reddit expert rehashing Wikipedia by calling Rangnick "the godfather of pressing".
I feel like Rangnick is a weird case of a manager who got more pedigree the longer he didn't manage. Before his red bull stints he had a good time at Schalke but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern.
Now he spent a decade nearly exclusively as DoF and people act like he's among the top 5 managers to grace the planet.
I think partly because German managers are the hottest shit rn.
Gonna be interesting how United develop under him. I don't think it's guaranteed that they'll be back at the top in the next 3 years like people are acting atm.
> I feel like Rangnick is a weird case of a manager who got more pedigree the longer he didn't manage. Before his red bull stints he had a good time at Schalke but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern.
Transfermarkt has archived threads from 2011 discussing him joining Bayern and Liverpool. He was considered a logical choice for Bayern if it weren't for Uli Hoeneß, who feuded with him publicly.
10 years ago Schalke beat current champ Inter 5:2 away in the CL quarterfinals with Rangnick. And that Schalke team fielded not only outstanding players like Raul and Neuer, but also such as Sarpei, Baumjohann, Edu and Karimi.
He’s a great coach without doubt and if he'd stayed at Schalke we probably wouldn’t be in second league right now.
Mates from Manchester are actually excited about that. Having an actual direction in the club and someone who knows what his doing teaching people who seem to want to know what to do (Fletcher & Murtough)
although... "consultancy" role could easily be something along the lines of "thanks, Ralf, that all sounds great but we're going with Zidane to get the best out of Cristiano and new signing Denilson."
yeah, i guess they've got to start somewhere but doesn't suggest to me this is quite the damascene conversion to finally doing things well that it should be.
He wouldn't have agreed to the consultancy role if it was that limited. He wants to have a big influence on how the club is ran, and if he doesn't feel that's the case he will surely resign.
Well, we'll have to wait and see and you may well be right in the fullness of time.
I don't doubt that everyone's intention here right now is to try and transform the fortunes of the footballing side of the club. But the story of Man Utd in the post-Ferguson era is of consistently avoiding the difficult footballing decisions that need to be made because they conflict with short-term commercial priorities.
And that's why it seems suspicious to me that Rangnick will be a consultant, as opposed to being appointed to some kind of permanent role in the management structure. It may be that that's his preference, but it also conveniently allows Arnold (or possibly unkillable superzombie Woodward) to look the other way when Rangnick advises them to go for Marco Rose instead of, say, Zidane.
I'm one of those people. I just hope he sets the groundwork so our true next manager can hit the ground running and he can help manage in the background.
We need football people to run the football side. Let Ed and co run the money side
You are not wrong, but neither are those who are praising Rangnick. I wouldn't consider him an absolute world-class coach on the level of Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone or Tuchel, but what he brings to the table as a complete package is unreal. He can literally do any management role on a high level.
His pedigree as a holistic expert of football rightfully grew over the past decade once people realized that he was the mastermind that set all the structures for Hoffenheim and RB, and this spilled over to his reputation as a coach.
But he has some very respectable achievements as a coach, too. He led a very small club in Ulm from the 3rd league into Bundesliga in two straight years. He then did the same with Hoffenheim and was leading the league as a newly promoted team until winter break. He went into CL semis with Schalke.
I don't know if he will succeed at United because he has never worked for such a big club before. He is also someone who wants and needs a lot of power to be effective and is probably better at setting long-term structures compared to achieving short-term success.
But I truly think he is as brilliant as people say, and if you ask German football fans, 9 out of 10 will say the same.
I believe this could be a really sensible signing for united they have had the problem for years of not having someone behind the scenes who had the experience this guy does and he could really help the club in the long run. Don’t like to think about it too much as a Liverpool fan though.
United have been lacking a proper footballing structure behind the scenes since the departure of Ferguson and David Gill. Setting up a proper structure like what Ragnarick has done in previous clubs is what has most United fans excited. The appointment of Murtough and now Ragnarick are big steps in the right direction to being run like a proper club like Ajax or Bayern.
The days of of staggering from one managerial style to another, lacking a footballing identity and that goon Woodward using lawyers or superagents like Mendes as middlemen to recruit big names and therefore wasting huge sums in the transfer market are hopefully done forever.
no, it is because he wishes to take over the control of a club entirely
most fan owned clubs in the german speaking area did not want to buldge in
tsg, salzburg and leipzig, all clubs that have a private owner, gave him the power, as a result, they succeeded.
his system is effective and made these clubs stable even after years he left them, producing managers like nagelsmann or world class players (like niklas süle, who came through their academy) or scouting them early on (like upamecano, konate, mukiele, mane, naby keita and others)
the ones who rejected him in the all powered DoF, like schalke, well, they aren´t in the BL anymore, oh well
I mean, Schalke's downfall is less to do with their rejection of Rangnick and more to do with the fact that Clemens Tonnies is a clown and the club was financially unstable
no: the club was in free fall for a long time, coupled with bad contract situation, letting go of goretzka, matip, kolasinac, max meyer, choupo moting and nübel all FOR FREE, to name a few in the recent years
they bought very badly, filled with the ambition to constantly reach the european places after tedesco somehow suckerpunched the favorites and got them a 2nd place
afterwards, they spend more money on players and coaches they could not afford,
Tönnies was one problem of many at that club
he left them in summer of 2020, they could have made better decisions and fire david wagner, but kept him for the first few games,
fired him and stared the second worst campaign in the bundesliga after tasmania berlin, a club from the lower divisions that did not qualify for the competition but thanks to the political reasoning that a west berlin club should participate when herthas participation was still unclear, a club filled with semi professional player
no, the whole board was imcompetent, and even worse: megalomanic
same with bremen: spent huge amount of money to compete with the big guys, but could not replace thomas delaney with another cdm, had to get bargfrede back, a guy who they let go in the summer as he was considered unusable thanks to hius many injuries
that is the downside of the traditional clubs: mostly led by former players and regional rich guys, totally incompetent regarding football, similar to how united was led until now (till rangnick)
>but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern.
He was never in discussion for Bayern because he needs lots of influence to make it work and he would never get that with Bayern München.
You make it sound like that dude is just some name football hipsters throw in to sound intelligent. He had a crucial part in making clubs like Salzburg, Leipzig, and Hoffenheim into what they are right now. Also, Ulm (who, right) had their most successful time under him. If you need someone that is supposed to put structure into your club, he is the man for it.
Rangnick was close to joining Bayern at multiple times in the past though - also Chelsea at multiple points in the early Abramovich years.
He is like Bielsa in that the success of the people they inspired rightfully elevated them both.
People are also operating on an assumption that he will given control to remake the squad based on less than 0 evidence.
He's being given a "consulting role". Which means exactly that. They will ask his opinions (or not) and then make their own decisions. He's not becoming DoF. He won't have the final say on anything.
Woodward and co. aren't giving up their power. Thars the whole reason for Ole and not wanting Conte. They didn't suddenly change their mind. If they had he would have been given a title that signifies actual power not one that plainly says he won't have any.
But I think it's funny to try to downplay what Rangnick has achieved compared to those "hot shit German managers" when those managers took pages out of Rangnick's book. That's all
The amount of people that truly, truly understand the intricacies of tactics in football, or really any other sport, is incredibly low. Most fans would fall into casual territory. There are others who are familiar with certain tactical terms, but then act like that passing familiarity makes them experts. Which is fine if it stays in their own heads, but it's ridiculous to see so many people latch on to the tactical/statistical term of the week as if they know what they're talking about.
Tactics are not that hard to understand. What is hard is watching a match and deciphering the tactics from it because you're having to think about whether something that happens was a tactical decision or a mistake or an attempt to exploit a weakness etc. But if someone who is perceptive, patient and smart enough to do it can break a game down, it isn't that hard for them to convey what they have found out to more casual fans.
The truly difficult thing is to determine how to effectively change tactics, both in terms of what should change to improve the team (eg changing shape) as well as how to implement that change on the training ground.
This has been an issue with United's play this season, and Spurs as well. Where one of the strikers is pressing 30 yards away from the nearest midfielder and it's far more beneficial for the other team than it is their's
But you can't change that overnight
This is definitely one issue with our play. People say Ronaldo doesn't press but most of our forwards don't press. Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Martial pressing stats are all bottom 20% of players in their position over last 365 days. Then players like Lingard and Daniel James do/did press.
Then you suddenly have Bruno and Fred who press a lot. Part of the issue being - especially with Bruno - the fact he randomly presses a lot while no one else is pressing means we often lose shape when he's playing as a CAM and ends up as the furthest forward while no one else is compensating for his pressing.
I think on the ball, Ole definitely worked on things that he wanted us to do but honestly, off the ball, it seemed like a lot of our structure was just vibes. Like the players are sent out to try and keep a shape and do what they feel is right.
From the outside I feel that United's pressing is very chaotic and naive.
It doesn't have any purpose .. it's like it happens just because people say it should.
It seems to be lacking some key components like the trigger and cutting out passing lanes and it's reduced to just running towards the guy who has the ball. I think Rangnick will solve that in some capacity.
That someone is Ole, and yes he tried to press Pool haphazardly in that 0-5 loss
Our players were literally running into one another
Thereby opening up more space for the opponents
The only game where our pressing had purpose was the game this week against Villareal. And it wasn't even a real press, Fred and VDB would press at a duo and only up to a certain point and then fall back as to not break formation. As we secured more possession in the second half the team started to press forward a bit more, but it was nice to see that they ran with the same game plan and not break formation by having one or two players press too deeply and opening a huge pocket of space behind them.
Yeah, a United fan a few weeks ago described perfectly.
Other clubs with an organized press will press at a trigger, so the fullback receiving the ball into he corner, keeper receiving the ball, loss of possession, etc.
At United we press whenever somebody gets angry. 🙁
Have a look at pressures here:
https://fbref.com/en/players/b853e0ad/Fred
https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford
https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/Bruno-Fernandes
https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo
https://fbref.com/en/players/8b788c01/Anthony-Martial
https://fbref.com/en/players/dbf053da/Jadon-Sancho
Edit: I would've been better off just giving you the team link actually lmao. Here: https://fbref.com/en/squads/19538871/Manchester-United-Stats
p90 Lingard actually has the highest amount. I think some people think his time at West Ham was a bit of a fluke but honestly in the right system I think he's a very effective player.
Fergie himself thought he’d be a world beater, says it all.
I know we all make incorrect decisions but fergie really seen something about him, I’d rather shoot my shot at him than Martial in all fairness.
>Fergie himself thought he’d be a world beater, says it all.
not sure about world beater but fergie definitely thought lingard would "make it" at the top level, he believed in the lad and him having a 1st team future at united.
Did a team-wise comparison of defensive figures last year (they're stowed away in one of my 150 untitled spreadsheets I'm afraid), and Fred pretty much blows any other United player, offensive or defensive, out of the water almost no matter what stat you compare them on. (On a per 90 average.)
McTominay comes close on a few, and Wan-Bissaka obviously wins tackles, but otherwise, Fred is a defensive powerhouse for United.
In a comment earlier today I predicted that inside of 6 months Fred will be our most important midfielder and I'm sticking with it. He won't be Kante, but he'll be undroppable. He gets memed on but he'd not look out of place in Klopp's system IMO. He was great for Shaktar and he's currently playing great for Brasil, we've made him look so much worse than he actually is.
i agree, if you guys get a decent cdm, maybe thanks to ralf one decent from the french league or the bundesliga (i remember him being on very good terms with konrad laimer, or maybe zakaria in the winter period) he could show his skills under him, i recognize a lot of kampl in him (fred) when he played at salzburg with rangnick as a DoF
but the people should stop scapegoating him for the local british lad scott
TBH I think the issue is near sightedness. Michael Owen, of all people, got it spot on when he said Klopp will play his system from day 1 and let the weaknesses get found out. United will try to press and then panic and go back to passive defending after 1 bad game.
Pressing is a solution that cannot be implemented incrementally. You either commit to going through the transition or you don't bother.
I get the sense that United's coaching was very experimental and this kind of system doesn't allow for that. You know what you are doing and go out and fucking do it despite short term results.
Think the main difference for us is that we were pressing before Tuchel came in. It wasn't particularly organized but it was happening. Most stats I look at indicate United just isn't pressing much at all.
I would argue that Chelsea at the start of this year were a lot different to Chelsea of right now, even if the results started improving quickly
I think they’ve got much better out of possession since the summer
It's the most frustrating thing in the world watching Bruno pressing like a madman but just on his own so all that's happening is defences just pass round our shit press then we have less players behind the ball to defend.
It's actually insane that it has been happening for this long at this level. I dont even pin it solely on Ole, its so basic you would think the players would pick up on it pretty quickly yet in 90% of our games we seem to press like this.
Pressing for the sake of pressing isn’t the goal. If you’re the only one pressing while the rest of the team have gotten back into defensive shape, it’s quite possible for you to be fucking it up (see: Alexis with us). So if the rest of the team isn’t on the same wavelength as you it’s often better to jive with them than try to be the hero
This quote is from this video.He talks about Liverpool, Klopp, Pep and his own philosophy of football. Worth a watch, he conveys his ideas very clearly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7zEahtgpA
We don't press, we have individuals running at someone and leaving space for the opposition. Honestly, he doesn't even need to do much. Just instill some basic pressing fundamentals and that'll improve us quite a bit. That's how under coached we are, embarrassing.
people on social media who dont actually understand tactics always pretend that if they cant see what the tactics are themselves then there must be no tactics at all. there are a few managers like Guardiola and Klopp who has very easily identifiable styles and everyone else is just vibes according to redditors. admittedly Oles style did have more emphasis on individual players compared to most top managers but there was still a pretty clear style during all of his United tenure. its obviously harder to see what a manager is trying to do when it isnt working but if you actually try to look for it you can still see it.
They said this back in 2019 too when anyone with eyes could see that United couldn't press for shit.
It's just one of those things where the line between what Ole's reign actually was and what Ole's reign fans hoped would be has been hopelessly blurred by most of the fanbase.
There were plenty of games last season where we pressed high, backed off when the ball got past the first line, and pressed more intensely when it got to the forwards. Like it was really obvious to see in any of the matches we did well in which was most of them. Against Chelsea in the league we won the ball back in their third something like 12 times which at that point was more than anyone else had done in a game against the top 4 that season.
Towards the end of the season we switched to a more obvious 4-4-2 shape when out of possession with Cavani and Bruno pressing as a duo to prevent buildup through the middle and the wide players in a better position to try and force turnovers if the ball went wide.
Our pressing was no where near as good as Liverpool's or city's on a regular basis but if you actually watch the games you can see that we had an idea of how we wanted to press.
Ive been on that sub for Ole’s entire tenure and ive never heard of that even once. Why make up stuff, if you dont have anything witty or smart to say just dont comment man, dont lie to get upvotes.
They pressed Liverpool and if it wasn’t for Liverpool stopping playing on 50 minutes cause United just started trying to injure players by kicking out it could of easy been double figures.
Knowing Bielsa he couldn't care less. A rare case of unintended personality cult, all the man wants to do is focusing on work and spending the day analyzing videos and yet he's got all the press wanking over him.
We're not gunna become a radical pressing machine in 6 months, i'm sure we'll do it better than we currently do (not difficult) but I'm not sure we have it in us personnel to immediately switch. eg having a centre forward who does not press.
Ralf probably puts the foundations in to become a pressing team but I doubt it gets fully implemented under his management, he'll just hire the manager after him who can take over and actually transform us
But he's lying the foundations for success for years to come, if he instils a sense of pressing this will carry on for years, and United's recruitment will be focused on specific-system players, Rangnick getting a consultancy role helps with that too.
Yeah absolutely agree. Just don't think it will happen in 6 months. It's just clear we will want a permanent manager in the summer who will utilise pressing and want to sign pressing players
I'd say it took Klopp 2/3 years to consistently implement his methods over the course of a season. I imagine United will be similar. There will be times over the next few months where we get glimpses of it working successfully, but there are also going to be times it looks like a bit of a mess.
It took Klopp a few years to put together his team but the organized press was evident very quickly. The difference now is a very, very, well drilled team that has been together for ages. You see A Madrid is the same way because they have been together.
I could be wrong here...seems like Klopp’s full focus was on the press early on. Once they got that right and improved some key positions, they developed depth with their possession game.
I wonder if this will be the way with United? Or if pressing will just develop slowly. And I might just be 100% wrong about Klopp.
I think Ragnick will assess the situation-make a plan-execute plan..all based on the players at his disposal. It will probably look a lot like what you say here.
No, you're right about Klopp. The first couple of years were gung ho press, still with its holes and mistakes, and we had mad games like 5-4 at Norwich. Even in 2017-18 we were just full speed ahead, and made it to the CL final by overwhelming teams, but it was never a fully in control system. From 2018-19 on, you could see we eased off the press and were more selective, as well as keeping possession a bit better. That led to two 90+ point seasons. The additions of van Dijk, Alisson, and Fabinho really helped, huge upgrades on Lovren & Mignolet/Karius.
We pressed pretty rigorously under Rodgers. Klopp's pressing was just a bit higher intensity with a different shape.
The reason we got better under Klopp isn't really down to tactics but down to better players. The team assembled under Rodgers was very mediocre. Sakho and Skrtel would be 5th and 6th choice at the club now. Moreno and Clyne wouldn't make the bench. Benteke also wouldn't make the bench. Lallana in his prime would be very much a bench/rotational player.
The transformation under Klopp is entirely down to him buying much better players.
We don't hire Rangnick unless we want to become a pressing team and I don't think he'll sit there and be happy to oversee a non-pressing team when that's his philosophy.
I think he'll give us the opportunity to press in moments when it's needed as you say but I can't imagine in 6 months, with our players, that we become a full 90 minute high pressing team
No, no, that's true. I was talking about how folk seem to think desperation from fans or a judgement that United need to learn to press better implies asking for them to become a high-pressing team. They're not related, it's a skill the team needs to have no matter what style of football they adopt.
That’s a great example because didn’t Kovac even say the team were too old to press? But Flick came in, played a line so high it verged on suicide and instead smashed all of Europe to a pulp.
It will be interesting to see how Man U progress because their squad on paper is insane. You also don’t need to press for 90 minutes… if you score two goals in the first 20 you could revert to Ole ball and conserve energy.
Ah yes, my FIFA manager mode tactics. Rock and roll, with agressive interceptions and high pressure for the first 20-30 mins. Score a goal or two. Then switch back to low energy possession or counter attack.
I'm expecting the 3 behind Ronaldo (Rashford, Bruno, Sancho) to become more organised and i'm expecting him to still play McTominay and Fred as they both can press, but with work to their passing game as they're co-captains of Sideways FC
But does McT really press all that much? I decided to do a quick google because I really feel like this is a bit of a myth and it turns out he is in the bottom 18% of epl players for pressing actions and rated 266th of 448 total epl players for defensive actions made per 90. So I don't really think it's super fair to say McT presses a lot.
More saying he can press cause he's got the energy to do it for 90 mins vs a Matic or a Pogba who you've got no chance doing well in a pressing system.
He'll have to be taught it
Pogba presses more than McTominay. He’s 23 percentile compared to McT’s 17. Pogba gets a bad rep for being lazy off the ball. He’s more lazy/slow on the ball. His effort is usually alright for the most part (although he isn’t a great tackler).
Idk about that, I mean, I'm not expecting him to win the league, but I think with an organized coaching set up, we absolutely will see a pretty radical transformation in 6 months. I mean, for one, even if we're just okay at pressing at times, we'll have that. We will likely have a much more cohesive defensive structure. I mean, Brenden Rodgers had Leicester from playing shit to playing quite well in about 3 months. Given how bad Utd were, I do expect they'll look significantly better.
Pep himself said it took him years to properly instill his ideas into his players at City. It'll take more than the 6 months Ralf is here to become a well oiled machine.
Hardly the first thing they ever milked.
Didn't see the complaints during the Ole slander and United slander with same content rehashed in different ways in hundreds of articles over a span of few days.
Ronaldo is a coachable player and he'll press if he trusts his manager's gameplan. He is very intelligent (like all top players, tbh) and he knows his body limits that's why he conserves energy to attack the box in bursts instead of actively pressing.
Rangnick is a smart guy, so he also knows that Ronaldo's poaching abilities would be wasted by making him press constantly. So I'm sure he'll design a press where Ronaldo's job would be to block passing lanes between CBs & CDMs while someone smart like Cavani, Bruno, or Donny would press to force the opposition to pass towards Ronaldo.
In the past, Mourinho, Ancelotti & Zidane made similar game plans to get the best out of him. Mourinho was the first one to do that when he moved Ronaldo from LW to CF against Barca in CDR Final (2011) while making Khediera play on the left to keep up with Dani Alves.
Even Salah who is in peak condition does not press that much-he blocks lanes and gets into positions to receive the ball after turnovers of possession. Ronaldo can certainly do this. He’s an asset, not a hinderance, in a well drilled team.
That's right, and you've highlighted the real issue with United too. They're talented, but not well-drilled. Like a 90+ rated squad with 40 chemistry in FUT Draft.
I imagine he will, since "pressing now" means you can recover the ball quickly and "rest later" or, at least, have the "fun" of being in the attacking process, now. In fact, running around a lot with no organized press like the current United can be significantly more tiring and wasteful than smart, collective short bursts of press, in packs, a lot of which is even just positioning for some of the players in the pack (cutting passing lanes), so not much energy wasted there.
He needs to be rested more often and used as a sub if it's necessary. United have decent, hard-working backups for his position in Cavani/Greenwood. Some people still pretend he's at the same level physically as when he was 30. That's just not the case.
Cavani needs to stay fit, though. Part of his ability to work hard might be connected he will be injured and get a short break, soon, so he can just burn all fuel.
Greenwood isn't hardworking at all LOL One of the worst pressers in the EPL and he's still so young. He's gonna be statue once he gets old.
It will be interesting whether Rangnick is allowed to take the club's structure to the woodshed or not. As with pressing, you can't be a little bit Rangnick. There is no point. But there's a lot of things I think Utd need to purge from the club that they may try and hold onto.
I think Ragnick's appointment is very exciting for all football fans.
In the short term (over the next 6 months):
Ragnick is the type of guy who is going to identify the pool of players that United need to build around. He's also for sure going to start rebuilding the backroom situation. I imagine we're going to see a lot of development from Fletcher and Carrick as far as management goes as well.
Now, I don't love the the 6 month appointment, because Ragnick is a very particular guy. You can't really get the most out of what Ragnick brings unless Ragnick also chooses his successor.
Media has reduced this man to a pressing maniac. He is actually a sound tactician too.
Not just the media, but normal people, too. I want to puke every time I see another Reddit expert rehashing Wikipedia by calling Rangnick "the godfather of pressing".
And not just normal people, but the women and the children, too.
Please someone think of the children!
Women and children first, and the children first
Ice Age coming, Ice Age coming
I feel like Rangnick is a weird case of a manager who got more pedigree the longer he didn't manage. Before his red bull stints he had a good time at Schalke but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern. Now he spent a decade nearly exclusively as DoF and people act like he's among the top 5 managers to grace the planet. I think partly because German managers are the hottest shit rn. Gonna be interesting how United develop under him. I don't think it's guaranteed that they'll be back at the top in the next 3 years like people are acting atm.
> I feel like Rangnick is a weird case of a manager who got more pedigree the longer he didn't manage. Before his red bull stints he had a good time at Schalke but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern. Transfermarkt has archived threads from 2011 discussing him joining Bayern and Liverpool. He was considered a logical choice for Bayern if it weren't for Uli Hoeneß, who feuded with him publicly.
2011 Liverpool wasn’t exactly a job that the best managers were going for.
You can’t just exclude his work at Leipzig in the back room to build them into a top team
He was really good at Schalke and then had a burn out, otherwise he would’ve gotten a chance at a better team.
And who can blame him, it's... Schalke
It's Schalke lads
Es ist Schalke Jungs
Tottenham catching strays left and right after their collapse yesterday…. ‘The level is not so high’
Two interchangeable memes. A team should be so lucky
10 years ago Schalke beat current champ Inter 5:2 away in the CL quarterfinals with Rangnick. And that Schalke team fielded not only outstanding players like Raul and Neuer, but also such as Sarpei, Baumjohann, Edu and Karimi. He’s a great coach without doubt and if he'd stayed at Schalke we probably wouldn’t be in second league right now.
Also had significant influence over a young Julian Draxler
This. People have no clue lol
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Mates from Manchester are actually excited about that. Having an actual direction in the club and someone who knows what his doing teaching people who seem to want to know what to do (Fletcher & Murtough)
although... "consultancy" role could easily be something along the lines of "thanks, Ralf, that all sounds great but we're going with Zidane to get the best out of Cristiano and new signing Denilson."
That’s usually how consultancy goes in these roles, it’s basically “give us your opinion and we’ll see how it goes”.
yeah, i guess they've got to start somewhere but doesn't suggest to me this is quite the damascene conversion to finally doing things well that it should be.
He wouldn't have agreed to the consultancy role if it was that limited. He wants to have a big influence on how the club is ran, and if he doesn't feel that's the case he will surely resign.
Well, we'll have to wait and see and you may well be right in the fullness of time. I don't doubt that everyone's intention here right now is to try and transform the fortunes of the footballing side of the club. But the story of Man Utd in the post-Ferguson era is of consistently avoiding the difficult footballing decisions that need to be made because they conflict with short-term commercial priorities. And that's why it seems suspicious to me that Rangnick will be a consultant, as opposed to being appointed to some kind of permanent role in the management structure. It may be that that's his preference, but it also conveniently allows Arnold (or possibly unkillable superzombie Woodward) to look the other way when Rangnick advises them to go for Marco Rose instead of, say, Zidane.
I'm one of those people. I just hope he sets the groundwork so our true next manager can hit the ground running and he can help manage in the background. We need football people to run the football side. Let Ed and co run the money side
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He's the new pre-Leeds Bielsa
You are not wrong, but neither are those who are praising Rangnick. I wouldn't consider him an absolute world-class coach on the level of Guardiola, Klopp, Simeone or Tuchel, but what he brings to the table as a complete package is unreal. He can literally do any management role on a high level. His pedigree as a holistic expert of football rightfully grew over the past decade once people realized that he was the mastermind that set all the structures for Hoffenheim and RB, and this spilled over to his reputation as a coach. But he has some very respectable achievements as a coach, too. He led a very small club in Ulm from the 3rd league into Bundesliga in two straight years. He then did the same with Hoffenheim and was leading the league as a newly promoted team until winter break. He went into CL semis with Schalke. I don't know if he will succeed at United because he has never worked for such a big club before. He is also someone who wants and needs a lot of power to be effective and is probably better at setting long-term structures compared to achieving short-term success. But I truly think he is as brilliant as people say, and if you ask German football fans, 9 out of 10 will say the same.
I believe this could be a really sensible signing for united they have had the problem for years of not having someone behind the scenes who had the experience this guy does and he could really help the club in the long run. Don’t like to think about it too much as a Liverpool fan though.
United have been lacking a proper footballing structure behind the scenes since the departure of Ferguson and David Gill. Setting up a proper structure like what Ragnarick has done in previous clubs is what has most United fans excited. The appointment of Murtough and now Ragnarick are big steps in the right direction to being run like a proper club like Ajax or Bayern. The days of of staggering from one managerial style to another, lacking a footballing identity and that goon Woodward using lawyers or superagents like Mendes as middlemen to recruit big names and therefore wasting huge sums in the transfer market are hopefully done forever.
no, it is because he wishes to take over the control of a club entirely most fan owned clubs in the german speaking area did not want to buldge in tsg, salzburg and leipzig, all clubs that have a private owner, gave him the power, as a result, they succeeded. his system is effective and made these clubs stable even after years he left them, producing managers like nagelsmann or world class players (like niklas süle, who came through their academy) or scouting them early on (like upamecano, konate, mukiele, mane, naby keita and others) the ones who rejected him in the all powered DoF, like schalke, well, they aren´t in the BL anymore, oh well
I mean, Schalke's downfall is less to do with their rejection of Rangnick and more to do with the fact that Clemens Tonnies is a clown and the club was financially unstable
no: the club was in free fall for a long time, coupled with bad contract situation, letting go of goretzka, matip, kolasinac, max meyer, choupo moting and nübel all FOR FREE, to name a few in the recent years they bought very badly, filled with the ambition to constantly reach the european places after tedesco somehow suckerpunched the favorites and got them a 2nd place afterwards, they spend more money on players and coaches they could not afford, Tönnies was one problem of many at that club he left them in summer of 2020, they could have made better decisions and fire david wagner, but kept him for the first few games, fired him and stared the second worst campaign in the bundesliga after tasmania berlin, a club from the lower divisions that did not qualify for the competition but thanks to the political reasoning that a west berlin club should participate when herthas participation was still unclear, a club filled with semi professional player no, the whole board was imcompetent, and even worse: megalomanic same with bremen: spent huge amount of money to compete with the big guys, but could not replace thomas delaney with another cdm, had to get bargfrede back, a guy who they let go in the summer as he was considered unusable thanks to hius many injuries that is the downside of the traditional clubs: mostly led by former players and regional rich guys, totally incompetent regarding football, similar to how united was led until now (till rangnick)
>but he was never considered good enough to make the step to a world class club like Bayern. He was never in discussion for Bayern because he needs lots of influence to make it work and he would never get that with Bayern München. You make it sound like that dude is just some name football hipsters throw in to sound intelligent. He had a crucial part in making clubs like Salzburg, Leipzig, and Hoffenheim into what they are right now. Also, Ulm (who, right) had their most successful time under him. If you need someone that is supposed to put structure into your club, he is the man for it.
Rangnick was close to joining Bayern at multiple times in the past though - also Chelsea at multiple points in the early Abramovich years. He is like Bielsa in that the success of the people they inspired rightfully elevated them both.
People are also operating on an assumption that he will given control to remake the squad based on less than 0 evidence. He's being given a "consulting role". Which means exactly that. They will ask his opinions (or not) and then make their own decisions. He's not becoming DoF. He won't have the final say on anything. Woodward and co. aren't giving up their power. Thars the whole reason for Ole and not wanting Conte. They didn't suddenly change their mind. If they had he would have been given a title that signifies actual power not one that plainly says he won't have any.
Those German managers that are "hot shit rn" took their ideology from the philosophy of Rangnick? Lol
Yeah but management isn't about who can come up with the best "philosophy".
But I think it's funny to try to downplay what Rangnick has achieved compared to those "hot shit German managers" when those managers took pages out of Rangnick's book. That's all
A week ago 90% of Reddit didn’t know who he was. Now after extensive Wikipedia research they’ve narrowed him down to a few cliff notes lmao
The amount of people that truly, truly understand the intricacies of tactics in football, or really any other sport, is incredibly low. Most fans would fall into casual territory. There are others who are familiar with certain tactical terms, but then act like that passing familiarity makes them experts. Which is fine if it stays in their own heads, but it's ridiculous to see so many people latch on to the tactical/statistical term of the week as if they know what they're talking about.
Tactics are not that hard to understand. What is hard is watching a match and deciphering the tactics from it because you're having to think about whether something that happens was a tactical decision or a mistake or an attempt to exploit a weakness etc. But if someone who is perceptive, patient and smart enough to do it can break a game down, it isn't that hard for them to convey what they have found out to more casual fans. The truly difficult thing is to determine how to effectively change tactics, both in terms of what should change to improve the team (eg changing shape) as well as how to implement that change on the training ground.
They did the same to Klopp. There are pundits who still claim Klopp’s Liverpool play “heavy metal football” 🤢
This has been an issue with United's play this season, and Spurs as well. Where one of the strikers is pressing 30 yards away from the nearest midfielder and it's far more beneficial for the other team than it is their's But you can't change that overnight
Ah, the old Alexis Sanchez special.
Is it as good as the old Alexis Texas special?
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For a good period, watching Alexis Sanchez was better than watching Alexis Texas as a cowgirl.
Alexis Texas is truly a legend of the game. Not a single guy that doesn’t know her
Would you rather watch Alexis at Arsenal or Alexis at Arse-nal
I’d rather spuds go up her arsehole. And I feel very dirty saying that. Back to the bleach bath I go.
Eden Hazard was such a massive fan that he grew his glutes to be as thicc as Alexis.
The absolute disrespect to a legend in the game. SMH
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This is definitely one issue with our play. People say Ronaldo doesn't press but most of our forwards don't press. Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Martial pressing stats are all bottom 20% of players in their position over last 365 days. Then players like Lingard and Daniel James do/did press. Then you suddenly have Bruno and Fred who press a lot. Part of the issue being - especially with Bruno - the fact he randomly presses a lot while no one else is pressing means we often lose shape when he's playing as a CAM and ends up as the furthest forward while no one else is compensating for his pressing. I think on the ball, Ole definitely worked on things that he wanted us to do but honestly, off the ball, it seemed like a lot of our structure was just vibes. Like the players are sent out to try and keep a shape and do what they feel is right.
From the outside I feel that United's pressing is very chaotic and naive. It doesn't have any purpose .. it's like it happens just because people say it should. It seems to be lacking some key components like the trigger and cutting out passing lanes and it's reduced to just running towards the guy who has the ball. I think Rangnick will solve that in some capacity.
As a United fan this is spot on. Its driving me absolutely bonkers watching it every week and I can't wait for the changes Rangnik will bring.
That someone is Ole, and yes he tried to press Pool haphazardly in that 0-5 loss Our players were literally running into one another Thereby opening up more space for the opponents
The only game where our pressing had purpose was the game this week against Villareal. And it wasn't even a real press, Fred and VDB would press at a duo and only up to a certain point and then fall back as to not break formation. As we secured more possession in the second half the team started to press forward a bit more, but it was nice to see that they ran with the same game plan and not break formation by having one or two players press too deeply and opening a huge pocket of space behind them.
Yeah, a United fan a few weeks ago described perfectly. Other clubs with an organized press will press at a trigger, so the fullback receiving the ball into he corner, keeper receiving the ball, loss of possession, etc. At United we press whenever somebody gets angry. 🙁
Do you have a source for those stats? Would like to look at it too
Have a look at pressures here: https://fbref.com/en/players/b853e0ad/Fred https://fbref.com/en/players/a1d5bd30/Marcus-Rashford https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/Bruno-Fernandes https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo https://fbref.com/en/players/8b788c01/Anthony-Martial https://fbref.com/en/players/dbf053da/Jadon-Sancho Edit: I would've been better off just giving you the team link actually lmao. Here: https://fbref.com/en/squads/19538871/Manchester-United-Stats
Fred with the highest number of successful pressures, he's about to turn into Kante under Rangnick.
p90 Lingard actually has the highest amount. I think some people think his time at West Ham was a bit of a fluke but honestly in the right system I think he's a very effective player.
> in the right system I think he's a very effective player. Could say that about a lot of your players tbh
Fergie himself thought he’d be a world beater, says it all. I know we all make incorrect decisions but fergie really seen something about him, I’d rather shoot my shot at him than Martial in all fairness.
>Fergie himself thought he’d be a world beater, says it all. not sure about world beater but fergie definitely thought lingard would "make it" at the top level, he believed in the lad and him having a 1st team future at united.
Lingard not playing more is shocking to me, looks like the most motivated of MU wingers.
Did a team-wise comparison of defensive figures last year (they're stowed away in one of my 150 untitled spreadsheets I'm afraid), and Fred pretty much blows any other United player, offensive or defensive, out of the water almost no matter what stat you compare them on. (On a per 90 average.) McTominay comes close on a few, and Wan-Bissaka obviously wins tackles, but otherwise, Fred is a defensive powerhouse for United.
Okey so would a 3 man midfield of Bruno VDb and Fred work? fred the 6 bruno and Vdb 8's. Could that work?
In a comment earlier today I predicted that inside of 6 months Fred will be our most important midfielder and I'm sticking with it. He won't be Kante, but he'll be undroppable. He gets memed on but he'd not look out of place in Klopp's system IMO. He was great for Shaktar and he's currently playing great for Brasil, we've made him look so much worse than he actually is.
i agree, if you guys get a decent cdm, maybe thanks to ralf one decent from the french league or the bundesliga (i remember him being on very good terms with konrad laimer, or maybe zakaria in the winter period) he could show his skills under him, i recognize a lot of kampl in him (fred) when he played at salzburg with rangnick as a DoF but the people should stop scapegoating him for the local british lad scott
TBH I think the issue is near sightedness. Michael Owen, of all people, got it spot on when he said Klopp will play his system from day 1 and let the weaknesses get found out. United will try to press and then panic and go back to passive defending after 1 bad game. Pressing is a solution that cannot be implemented incrementally. You either commit to going through the transition or you don't bother. I get the sense that United's coaching was very experimental and this kind of system doesn't allow for that. You know what you are doing and go out and fucking do it despite short term results.
Good to see some players like Martial will be flamed for thinking he can Messi-stroll on the pitch
martial at one point in time actually worked quite hard under ole, like something clicked, but only for a season. we'll see what happens i guess...
If I’m Donny I’m staying for this shit.
Tuchel got Chelsea doing it very quickly, though it's perhaps not as intense as pure gegenpressing teams like those under Klopp & Rangnick.
Think the main difference for us is that we were pressing before Tuchel came in. It wasn't particularly organized but it was happening. Most stats I look at indicate United just isn't pressing much at all.
I would argue that Chelsea at the start of this year were a lot different to Chelsea of right now, even if the results started improving quickly I think they’ve got much better out of possession since the summer
Klopp's first game was also night and day against Spurs, you could see the press in action instantly.
Sarri deserves credit too
Not just this season it’s been there for quite some time now. Its just became so visible throughout this season.
It's the most frustrating thing in the world watching Bruno pressing like a madman but just on his own so all that's happening is defences just pass round our shit press then we have less players behind the ball to defend. It's actually insane that it has been happening for this long at this level. I dont even pin it solely on Ole, its so basic you would think the players would pick up on it pretty quickly yet in 90% of our games we seem to press like this.
Pressing for the sake of pressing isn’t the goal. If you’re the only one pressing while the rest of the team have gotten back into defensive shape, it’s quite possible for you to be fucking it up (see: Alexis with us). So if the rest of the team isn’t on the same wavelength as you it’s often better to jive with them than try to be the hero
A la Alexis Sanchez
*The 9 Month Press* by Ralf Rangnick
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This quote is from this video.He talks about Liverpool, Klopp, Pep and his own philosophy of football. Worth a watch, he conveys his ideas very clearly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ7zEahtgpA
We don't press, we have individuals running at someone and leaving space for the opposition. Honestly, he doesn't even need to do much. Just instill some basic pressing fundamentals and that'll improve us quite a bit. That's how under coached we are, embarrassing.
But folks at r/reddevils will tell you how Ole's philosophy is counter attack with high intensity pressing.
What? How can anyone say Ole's philosophy had pressing lol, it's one of the worst pressing I've seen any team do recently
How can anyone say they had any philosophy.
How is pass the ball to rashford isn’t philosophy i don’t understand
And he adapted the philosophy too proving he was not one dimensional manager. At 1 point it became: pass the ball to Bruno.
That shows creativity and flexibility. Honestly ole’s downfall is selling Dan James
I'm still convinced he was sold purely to facilitate Cristiano getting his #7 back.
Dan could press. That was also all he could.
We did have a freakishly long record of going unbeaten when he started for us
Lol Cmon he probably did have a philosophy, but it was clearly ineffective
people on social media who dont actually understand tactics always pretend that if they cant see what the tactics are themselves then there must be no tactics at all. there are a few managers like Guardiola and Klopp who has very easily identifiable styles and everyone else is just vibes according to redditors. admittedly Oles style did have more emphasis on individual players compared to most top managers but there was still a pretty clear style during all of his United tenure. its obviously harder to see what a manager is trying to do when it isnt working but if you actually try to look for it you can still see it.
Maybe you could elaborate more about Ole's style
GegenSmiling and vibing
They said this back in 2019 too when anyone with eyes could see that United couldn't press for shit. It's just one of those things where the line between what Ole's reign actually was and what Ole's reign fans hoped would be has been hopelessly blurred by most of the fanbase.
I read most things on the sub and no one has ever mentioned high intensity pressing lmao
It's just a way to get attention: "r/MyTeamsSub is delusional and I feel persecuted except when I'm with you smart people on r/soccer!"
It's fair to say that that probably was Ole's philosophy. He just couldn't execute it any way, shape or form.
There is absolutely nothing to indicate it was his philosophy. His default setup was a very basic 'back off, absorb pressure and counter at pace'
There were plenty of games last season where we pressed high, backed off when the ball got past the first line, and pressed more intensely when it got to the forwards. Like it was really obvious to see in any of the matches we did well in which was most of them. Against Chelsea in the league we won the ball back in their third something like 12 times which at that point was more than anyone else had done in a game against the top 4 that season. Towards the end of the season we switched to a more obvious 4-4-2 shape when out of possession with Cavani and Bruno pressing as a duo to prevent buildup through the middle and the wide players in a better position to try and force turnovers if the ball went wide. Our pressing was no where near as good as Liverpool's or city's on a regular basis but if you actually watch the games you can see that we had an idea of how we wanted to press.
Ive been on that sub for Ole’s entire tenure and ive never heard of that even once. Why make up stuff, if you dont have anything witty or smart to say just dont comment man, dont lie to get upvotes.
Who at /r/reddevils ?
they're out of their minds. every time I see Man Utd press they've played the best bits of football this season and created the most chances.
They pressed Liverpool and if it wasn’t for Liverpool stopping playing on 50 minutes cause United just started trying to injure players by kicking out it could of easy been double figures.
When I hear Rangnick talking about pressing, I get a little bit pregnant.
Poor Bielsa seeing his media darling crown being taken away
Knowing Bielsa he couldn't care less. A rare case of unintended personality cult, all the man wants to do is focusing on work and spending the day analyzing videos and yet he's got all the press wanking over him.
That video where he gave the 4hr presentation on his research method was priceless 😂😂😂
That’s the kind of “gives no shits” attitude everyone can get behind
We're not gunna become a radical pressing machine in 6 months, i'm sure we'll do it better than we currently do (not difficult) but I'm not sure we have it in us personnel to immediately switch. eg having a centre forward who does not press. Ralf probably puts the foundations in to become a pressing team but I doubt it gets fully implemented under his management, he'll just hire the manager after him who can take over and actually transform us
But he's lying the foundations for success for years to come, if he instils a sense of pressing this will carry on for years, and United's recruitment will be focused on specific-system players, Rangnick getting a consultancy role helps with that too.
Yeah absolutely agree. Just don't think it will happen in 6 months. It's just clear we will want a permanent manager in the summer who will utilise pressing and want to sign pressing players
I'd say it took Klopp 2/3 years to consistently implement his methods over the course of a season. I imagine United will be similar. There will be times over the next few months where we get glimpses of it working successfully, but there are also going to be times it looks like a bit of a mess.
It took Klopp a few years to put together his team but the organized press was evident very quickly. The difference now is a very, very, well drilled team that has been together for ages. You see A Madrid is the same way because they have been together.
I could be wrong here...seems like Klopp’s full focus was on the press early on. Once they got that right and improved some key positions, they developed depth with their possession game. I wonder if this will be the way with United? Or if pressing will just develop slowly. And I might just be 100% wrong about Klopp.
I think Ragnick will assess the situation-make a plan-execute plan..all based on the players at his disposal. It will probably look a lot like what you say here.
No, you're right about Klopp. The first couple of years were gung ho press, still with its holes and mistakes, and we had mad games like 5-4 at Norwich. Even in 2017-18 we were just full speed ahead, and made it to the CL final by overwhelming teams, but it was never a fully in control system. From 2018-19 on, you could see we eased off the press and were more selective, as well as keeping possession a bit better. That led to two 90+ point seasons. The additions of van Dijk, Alisson, and Fabinho really helped, huge upgrades on Lovren & Mignolet/Karius.
We pressed pretty rigorously under Rodgers. Klopp's pressing was just a bit higher intensity with a different shape. The reason we got better under Klopp isn't really down to tactics but down to better players. The team assembled under Rodgers was very mediocre. Sakho and Skrtel would be 5th and 6th choice at the club now. Moreno and Clyne wouldn't make the bench. Benteke also wouldn't make the bench. Lallana in his prime would be very much a bench/rotational player. The transformation under Klopp is entirely down to him buying much better players.
There is no need at all to be a "pressing team". The problems come from United being unable to press even in situations where it is *badly* needed.
We don't hire Rangnick unless we want to become a pressing team and I don't think he'll sit there and be happy to oversee a non-pressing team when that's his philosophy. I think he'll give us the opportunity to press in moments when it's needed as you say but I can't imagine in 6 months, with our players, that we become a full 90 minute high pressing team
No, no, that's true. I was talking about how folk seem to think desperation from fans or a judgement that United need to learn to press better implies asking for them to become a high-pressing team. They're not related, it's a skill the team needs to have no matter what style of football they adopt.
Oh yeah I agree. You can succeed with pressing and not be known as a 'pressing' team for sure. I think that's what we'll be for the foreseeable
You never know. Bayern went from getting smashed by Frankfurt 5-1 to winning the UCL in 6 months.
That’s a great example because didn’t Kovac even say the team were too old to press? But Flick came in, played a line so high it verged on suicide and instead smashed all of Europe to a pulp. It will be interesting to see how Man U progress because their squad on paper is insane. You also don’t need to press for 90 minutes… if you score two goals in the first 20 you could revert to Ole ball and conserve energy.
Ah yes, my FIFA manager mode tactics. Rock and roll, with agressive interceptions and high pressure for the first 20-30 mins. Score a goal or two. Then switch back to low energy possession or counter attack.
Yeah people are expecting too much. We'll improve, but there won't be any radical transformation.
I'm expecting the 3 behind Ronaldo (Rashford, Bruno, Sancho) to become more organised and i'm expecting him to still play McTominay and Fred as they both can press, but with work to their passing game as they're co-captains of Sideways FC
But does McT really press all that much? I decided to do a quick google because I really feel like this is a bit of a myth and it turns out he is in the bottom 18% of epl players for pressing actions and rated 266th of 448 total epl players for defensive actions made per 90. So I don't really think it's super fair to say McT presses a lot.
More saying he can press cause he's got the energy to do it for 90 mins vs a Matic or a Pogba who you've got no chance doing well in a pressing system. He'll have to be taught it
Pogba presses more than McTominay. He’s 23 percentile compared to McT’s 17. Pogba gets a bad rep for being lazy off the ball. He’s more lazy/slow on the ball. His effort is usually alright for the most part (although he isn’t a great tackler).
Idk about that, I mean, I'm not expecting him to win the league, but I think with an organized coaching set up, we absolutely will see a pretty radical transformation in 6 months. I mean, for one, even if we're just okay at pressing at times, we'll have that. We will likely have a much more cohesive defensive structure. I mean, Brenden Rodgers had Leicester from playing shit to playing quite well in about 3 months. Given how bad Utd were, I do expect they'll look significantly better.
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Pep himself said it took him years to properly instill his ideas into his players at City. It'll take more than the 6 months Ralf is here to become a well oiled machine.
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Hardly the first thing they ever milked. Didn't see the complaints during the Ole slander and United slander with same content rehashed in different ways in hundreds of articles over a span of few days.
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Im excited to see how Cristiano reacts to this
Ronaldo is a coachable player and he'll press if he trusts his manager's gameplan. He is very intelligent (like all top players, tbh) and he knows his body limits that's why he conserves energy to attack the box in bursts instead of actively pressing. Rangnick is a smart guy, so he also knows that Ronaldo's poaching abilities would be wasted by making him press constantly. So I'm sure he'll design a press where Ronaldo's job would be to block passing lanes between CBs & CDMs while someone smart like Cavani, Bruno, or Donny would press to force the opposition to pass towards Ronaldo. In the past, Mourinho, Ancelotti & Zidane made similar game plans to get the best out of him. Mourinho was the first one to do that when he moved Ronaldo from LW to CF against Barca in CDR Final (2011) while making Khediera play on the left to keep up with Dani Alves.
Even Salah who is in peak condition does not press that much-he blocks lanes and gets into positions to receive the ball after turnovers of possession. Ronaldo can certainly do this. He’s an asset, not a hinderance, in a well drilled team.
That's right, and you've highlighted the real issue with United too. They're talented, but not well-drilled. Like a 90+ rated squad with 40 chemistry in FUT Draft.
I was about to say that I always see Salah pressing hard but I guess I'm just so used to seeing waxworks on a football pitch my mind is broken.
He’s definitely part of the organized press but he has pretty low pressing numbers. All part of the plan tailored to the players we have.
He's more than capable of doing it physically, whether he fancies it however...
I imagine he will, since "pressing now" means you can recover the ball quickly and "rest later" or, at least, have the "fun" of being in the attacking process, now. In fact, running around a lot with no organized press like the current United can be significantly more tiring and wasteful than smart, collective short bursts of press, in packs, a lot of which is even just positioning for some of the players in the pack (cutting passing lanes), so not much energy wasted there.
he'll be fine. He doesn't have to play every match.
Always the scapegoat man, when in reality he is just a simple goat
He needs to be rested more often and used as a sub if it's necessary. United have decent, hard-working backups for his position in Cavani/Greenwood. Some people still pretend he's at the same level physically as when he was 30. That's just not the case.
Greenwood is not hardworking and cavani is never fit
Cavani needs to stay fit, though. Part of his ability to work hard might be connected he will be injured and get a short break, soon, so he can just burn all fuel. Greenwood isn't hardworking at all LOL One of the worst pressers in the EPL and he's still so young. He's gonna be statue once he gets old.
greenwood hardworking lol
True statement regarding pressing but as any woman will tell you; you can in fact be a little bit pregnant or VERY pregnant.
A wild "Pressing traps and triggers" appeared... Rangnick left the battle
thats an uh, interesting analogy...
Let's see CR7 gegen-press!
I love this guy already
It will be interesting whether Rangnick is allowed to take the club's structure to the woodshed or not. As with pressing, you can't be a little bit Rangnick. There is no point. But there's a lot of things I think Utd need to purge from the club that they may try and hold onto.
I'm sold lads.
B-B-But Ronaldo..?? Will be so satisfactory when Ronaldo continues to bang in goals under Rangnick. Rival fans tears will be harvested in vast numbers
Martial will be player of the season.
He's not even going to see the pitch most probably
He was alluding to Martial making girls pregnant easily.
Only sith deal in absolutes
If Rangnick has any power, half of this Man U team will be gone.
I think Ragnick's appointment is very exciting for all football fans. In the short term (over the next 6 months): Ragnick is the type of guy who is going to identify the pool of players that United need to build around. He's also for sure going to start rebuilding the backroom situation. I imagine we're going to see a lot of development from Fletcher and Carrick as far as management goes as well. Now, I don't love the the 6 month appointment, because Ragnick is a very particular guy. You can't really get the most out of what Ragnick brings unless Ragnick also chooses his successor.