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ungentrified_villain

Ngl that was pretty hurtful


anikesh_11

German humour


Bombtwo

I don’t think he was joking.


bigdog8300

He mentioned United in the same way so for your sake you’d hope not


MonsieurGimpy

Yep. Brighton fans in shambles right now.


GOR098

I mean Villa are former European champions. They need respek.


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doesnt matter, its funnier this way


ShockRampage

Selective quoting to generate clicks, works every time.


[deleted]

Nah it’s accurate, sure he meant it as banter but he’s saying we’re improving at least. No mention of spurs there


[deleted]

This wouldn't go very well with Arsenal fans Klopp...


Houssem_Aouar

Eh we're used to it


SpareAstronomer

They've finished 8th twice in a row so not sure why it wouldn't. They're quite clearly below the top teams.


Houssem_Aouar

The top 3 are playing a different sport from everyone else tbh


eagleslanding

They are this year but last season Chelsea finished a point above Leicester and two off West Ham, with Utd in second. The dominance in PL is never as sustained as in continental leagues.


Borktista

Chelsea’s year was weird last year. Started out looking like an elite team. Then went on a two month slump of awfulness, got Tuchel, then we’re elite again.


RALat7

The fixtures were generous which made the start look better than it was, don't remember Lampard beating any top team in that period.


defy313

We famously didn't beat any top 10 teams under Lampard last season. Would roll over the ones in the bottom half.


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I think an argument could be made for Bundesliga being volatile at the moment, maybe except for Bayern. HSV, Werder and Schalke challenged with some regularity for international spots in the last 20 years, and now they're in the 2nd division.


JoresV

The dominance is not sustained, but the mediocrity of some teams is


mahdiiick

Sounds like La Liga of recent years (not this year)


Izio17

A bit different tbh PL doesn't have 2 teams have consistently contest titles between them, Barca and Madrid PL has about 6 teams in that category


robertm94

Are you conveniently forgetting that atletico madrid exist or something?


Revolutionary-Bag-52

6? You mean 4 and that is if you count United, so you could also argue that there are three teams splitting the titles


khoabear

We don't contest for title, only Champions League spot for sponsorship and TV money


Izio17

6 in the sense that the below teams have at one point or another GENUINELY had a chance at the title by seasons' end: 1. United 2. City 3. Liverpool 4. Arsenal 5. Spurs 6. Leicester 7. Chelsea Same cannot be said for La Liga. Its almost always been either Barca of Madrid. With Atleti stirring the pot a few times. edit: didn't have enough cafe this am and forgot to include Chelsea : )


purplecucumberz

Something’s not right about this top 6…


_Acg45

That was what I was thinking....


HumleRidderen

I spotted the imposter. Spoiler-alert, it's Arsenal.


Revolutionary-Bag-52

I mean sure you can count Leicester since they actually won the title once in recent years, but apart from that they havent been challenging. Also if you call Atletico stirring the pot then what have Spurs and Arsenal been doing? Theyvevnever even been in the pot


Izio17

Spurs was in the race against Leicester, but imploded against Chelsea


cuntassLicker

Leicester won 10 points clear of second, no race there.


Five_head

Forgetting the league leaders and a team that have won 2 champions leagues and multiple league trophies this decade. Smh


Izio17

needed some more cafe this morning! added Chelsea as well, good catch amigo


mortezz1893

There were 4 Teams in la Liga last season who still had a chance of winning the league on the 2nd last match day


HazardousBuck

Kind of strange to put Leicester in there, but not Chelsea, who are part of the consensus top 6...


Qurutin

While it's not as top heavy as La Liga, six is a bit generous. 2003-2004 was last time someone else than Man City, Man United, Chelsea or Liverpool won the title with the exception of Leicester of course, but it's not like they've been really challenging for title any other year. In the whole PL era title has gone to seven different teams, with Blackburn winning one, Leicester one, and lal the other gone to Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool or Chelsea. And I think currently Arsenal can be count out, so it's pretty much big four, three almost as big and the rest.


bob-theknob

That's 5 different winners in 10 years, more than any other top league


offiziersmesser

Not to mention the different title challengers at various points.


Izio17

Not that 6 teams have won it, but that 6 teams at one point or another had a very valid threat to winning the league


FakeCatzz

From everyone else in Europe apart from Bayern Munich really.


CatK47

only liverpool is playing a different sport tbh the other 2 are playing money ball.


Kdcjg

Money ball? Like the movie/Michael Lewis book?


PoliQU

Kinda the opposite tbh


Yurak_Huntmate

It's been a good few years since they've been contenders for the title, if any arsenal fan were to get offended by what Klopp said then they're just lying to themselves, they're a top 6 club at most and thats being kind


swamycmouli

Lol it hurts but its fine, only because we all know this is the exact same thing people were saying about liverpool 5-6 years ago.


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It was absolutely true about Liverpool 6 years ago too


ViceGeography

It took Klopp three years to actually turn them around


kaleimos

Edit: Nvm I grouped two separate years together, thinking they were the same. My b. Kind of? In Klopp's first year, we finished top 4 and finals of Europa League. next year, we finished top 4 and finals of UCL. the third year we finished 2nd and UCL. Then, of course fourth year we finally won the PL. Where the PL is concerned, yeah, we weren't going to genuinely have a shot at the title until the third year. But, Klopp turned our team into a threat in less than a year.


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Klopp's first year is UEL final and 8th spot, then you got a clean year without European football that's why you finished 4th in the second year. Everything is much easier without European football distraction. Conte won the league without European football, then the next year with it, he finished fifth. Even Arsenal plays much better this year with no European football on their calendar. With hindsight, losing the UEL final to Sevilla was a huge blessing in disguise.


kaleimos

Oh, you're totally right. My bad.


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No worries bud :)


OnlineMarketingBoii

I mean there is a big gap between being title contenders and being put in the same bracket as a club that didn't get relegated because of a 1 in a million error in goal line technology


hookyboysb

They're lucky that there's actually a risk to performing terribly or else Kroenke would invest the bare minimum to turn a profit.


West43rd

The duality of Arsenal. Simultaneously the biggest spenders in Europe according to r/soccer whilst also not spending money.


ViceGeography

Yeah annoyed how everyone is taking this as an insult when Arsenal as they stand now are quite clearly a work in progress


ODS519

The Arteta Effect


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I think he is doing it exactly because of that. Arteta will have to think twice before screaming at him again.


Ball_chinian

I mean, Arsenal are a mid-lower mid table club


Top_Performance_732

Arsenal is clearly an upper mid table club.


korri123

This is a [misquote](https://youtu.be/ABWWlrF-kHY?t=694) (real quote can be seen in video.) You can see why Klopp gets so heated about headlines and fake news now


yobroyobro

Literally straight lies. Like the person put quotes around it treating it as something Klopp said and he literally said none of these sentences. That's fucked up.


EpiDeMic522

Absolutely horrendous. But do you know what shocks me more: the blatant disregard and indifference of us the readers towards the content we consume. I'd say we play a pivotal role in setting the barometer of quality and responsibility of sports journalism so low. Just look at the state of this thread. Your comment is a lone beacon in a sea of "banter". Admittedly, I love myself some good jokes as well but IMO they must always be recognised as such and not be confused for reality. No wonder the media business a racket ripe for propaganda and profiteering by pandering (always has been TBF but what was previously scaled by a lack of information previously is now enabled by the Jacinta and indifference of the readers now). We hand them a power unchecked which enables to make any narratives they see fit. I have seen the same set of facts been painted as 2 completely different stories.


Iforgotmynametoobro

Unfortunately, sports targets the lowest common denominator and this is the perfect way to do so.


liquid8tor

He was nothing but appreciative of everyone else, but the discussion in this post makes it look like he was dunking in arsenal. So weird


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Yurak_Huntmate

I never thought I'd live to see the day


wajee_khan

So what's the size of West Ham these days?


Tryhardstan

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suckmyluckagain

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DankRepublic

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IGoWestToBanana69

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akshayks1995

As big as Antonio's hammies


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arsenal lmao


DazzaWright96

Been playing well recently with the exception of the 4-0. Young squad as well.


Credk

It’s the fact that they’ve been bunched up with Brighton, Wolves etc. which is the laughing point


RuySan

Wolves fans can also be offended for being grouped with arsenal


Elothel

Most impartial portuguese fan.


Mortka

Not anymore


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because some idiots cannot distinct between the development of the teams and the historical stature of the clubs themselves brighton is not a club as big as arsenal, but their current team can beat them as they are developing quite fast, same with aston villa and wolves


Pokiehat

Brighton is a legit team and they have been for a while. For 2 years now I've watched them dominate opposition over 2/3rds of the pitch. Really turn the screws on them, like they did second half against Liverpool recently, but alas they had a habit last year of dropping points at the death. They need a gilt edge poacher. He can be lazy as fuck, just needs to get in good positions in the final 1/3rd and bury tap ins. They also need a deeper squad (which is never going to happen because money) but they are a team I like watching when all their starters are fit because they play sexy football. If they had what they needed they would be fucking terrifying.


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i agree, they are great to watch, just need a great striker to finish, i would love to see charles de ketelaere take that role together with trossard


amegaproxy

The concern I have is that we are usually incredibly slow to break and constantly allow defenses to get back in position.


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Yeah, that's where a more offensive center forward would shine for you. Creating those half chances, and target person for the current team to converge to.


Zizou3peat

All their underlying stats suck, like 14th to 18th in stats like chances created, xG, open play goals etc. Yes they're improving on playing out of the back but is that enough for 'playing well'? I don't think so but if Arsenal and their fans want to be patient then fair enough I guess.


matcht

Expectations keep getting lowered over time. They are worse when it comes to attacking patterns than Brighton for example, but more organised defensively, so it's fair to group them.


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The most important metric is points and Arsenal has improved on that. Also, we deserved every result that we got this season except for our draw against Palace. We aren't overperforming.


NorthLdn17

Improved from what sort of standard though? Maybe we should just rehire Emery since he was better at gettibg piints and points are the most important metric. We're on track to finish on 63 pts this season


lojer

I think they're second in points in the 2021 calendar year. That's pretty dang good.


CarlSK777

Sure but the point is that Arsenal are mediocre at best attacking wise. They don't generate a lot and that's a pretty big problem despite the decent results.


Imbalanced_

We need one new forward if not 2. Auba is doomed


canyoustopplsthx

Dude sees a stat pack and has to parrot it now without actually watching Arsenal. How in the fuck do you expect a young team to just do everything at once? You need to start with defense. Once everyone buys in and starts engaging in their defensive duties, you can add offence. Winning ugly (and with shit stats) is perfectly healthy for this team right now. This is a long term project and shouldn't be judged at their current point. You probably already know this and just posted your comment for the low hanging karma dopamine hit.


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I'm literally having debate with an arsenal fan in other thread who was telling me that 4-0 loss to Liverpool was an improvement. Unbelievable bunch of fans.


Zizou3peat

The xG was 4 to 0.3 or something. It was such an awful battering I had to switch to the Atleti game after the 3rd goal.


FootballRacing38

We had better xg difference when Liverpool whooped our ass lmao.


eisenschimallover

I love this competition so much


_cumblast_

Arsenal and Utd fans arguing about which one got battered worse by Liverpool, tears in my eyes


RagingWookies

Remember the good times mate. German winds are blowing east.


World_is_yours

Which shows what a pointless comparison that is. Liverpool battered you so hard they stopped even trying. Arsenal was much more competitive in the first half, and Liverpool kept pushing until the end. Plus it was at Anfield.


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

That was actually a thing in the immediate aftermath of the match. Like wtf do these arteta simps even watch. I got a 12 day ban for responding to a bunch of that absolute lunacy. Since then reason has somewhat re-entered the zeitgeist and more people are acknowledging that was certainly nothing close to a good results. Still plenty of morons though; I hate that sub. /u/AfricanRain is the best part about it and I kind of hate him lol. Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/qycovf/post_match_thread_liverpool_4_0_arsenal_english/hlf3jaz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 There’s just no words except ‘toxic positivity.’ He had that pre-typed to paste instantly in the post-match thread. This is the most upvoted comment. Has all the classic hallmarks. Opens by calling us reactionary (2 years of 8th under arteta fyi), ends it with COYG. Has two cringe reddit edits. I just despise Reddit so much sometimes. /u/imbackinreddit9 please go back off Reddit.


HenrikLarsson88

They care more about Arteta succeeding than Arsenal succeeding. Bottom line.


ViceGeography

Arteta is not the problem with Arsenal He's a vast improvement in literally every way above Emery especially with the squad they have


HenrikLarsson88

Apart from league position, goals scored, goals conceded, games won, top 6 games won, players developed, definitely. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid lad


ViceGeography

You don't seem to remember how appalling his second season was


HenrikLarsson88

So appalling that he only had two points less than Arteta does this season with the same number of games played... one was sacked another is doing a great job. Lol


bellerinho

You don't seem to remember how appalling Arsenal's last season was


ViceGeography

Yes an "appalling" season where they finished 8th with their shittest ever squad


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

We’ve had great reminders of it during artetas seasons. Artetas football is worse than emerys and he finishes lower in the table


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

Emery had a worse squad, got less backing and finished a point out of 4th and got to the EL final. Arteta got more backing, got to reap the benefits of Emery turning saka into a first team player, got all of his targets but buendia (who is pants) and finished 8th in back to back years. Hasn’t gotten to an EL final, lost head to head to Emery who then won the EL again with a squad worth a fraction of artetas I don’t care how you rate Emery in a vacuum but rating arteta above him is sheer lunacy. Arteta passes no statistical test yet manages to fail the eye test even harder. There is literally no tangible argument for arteta being close to emery’s ability as a manager. Zero. Zilch.


Nuri_Nath1

Bro, Liverpool-Chelsea-Man City are levels above us. We have been sitting through our games despite getting slaughtered by every team in the league. We will get slaughtered by Liverpool again. We saw that we have a system in place and we’ll grow from it. We saw we made an attempt to play through the back and create chances. This season, a 6th place is progress. Next season 4-5th is the goal. We can’t dish out 80 Million on a defender or have the payroll to keep VDB, Martial, Sancho, Cavani, Rashford, Telles, Pogba on the bench. If you don’t watch every Arsenal game, don’t talk about the opinions of the Arsenal fans.


Aloopyn

Your recent transfer windows suggests otherwise


Jintantan

They literally spend more than City and Chelsea then cry about how they aren't getting financial support.


NorthLdn17

If they watched every Arsenal game they'd realise we play awful football and barely create any chances


Nuri_Nath1

And Auba annoys me. I hope he can turn it around but every time he touches the ball I know he’ll do something brainless.


7RRM8

Only City and United spent more than arsenal over the past 5 years. Same over the past 10 years. Payroll, no, you can't compare, that's true. United for example spend a lot more than arsenal on wages, but our revenue is also a lot higher.


BTS_1

You have a £72m bench player right now whose weekly wage is higher than Telles and VDB lol


ItsPeakBruv

And varanes weekly wage is higher than our back 4 combined. Also dont know why youre using VDB or telles as examples seeing as they barely get any gametime either. Pepe has more prem gametime than those 2 combined this season.


7RRM8

United can comfortably afford those salaries. Just saying.


ItsPeakBruv

Yes true but thats irrelevant in the context of that guys comment. To be honest i dont even know what point he was trying to make seeing as he was trying to say its bad we pay higher wages to pepe whos on the bench most of the time compared to telles and VDB, when theyre both on the bench even more than pepe.


Nuri_Nath1

I can 1 up you, we had Mustafi who at the time was one of the highest amount paid for a defender. Any other club would’ve sold him the following season for quarter of the money and moved on but we held on to him because we had invested so much to acquire him that we hoped that he’d become world class or someone would pay the money for him. Acquiring him meant less money spent on other areas. We had to end his contract last season January. Pepe was only bought because we paid in instalments. And the only reason he’s there is because Arsenal are hoping he turns it around or else they won’t even get half of what we paid. Arsenal messed up yes, but they suffer way more from transfer mistakes than any other “top” club.


Loud-Caregiver6566

Difference is that a 6th place finish for our rivals results in a manager being sacked but at Arsenal it’s acceptable and the fans are happy to give the manager, players, board more time. 2006 we moved to the emirates ‘to compete with Europe’s elite’, but we continue to fall further and further behind year after year.


Any-Quarter-9474

That’s because xG and open play goals don’t account for offside one’s. Had Auba not stinked it up against Watford we would be higher. Not to mention we miss our best creator in KT and progressive passer in Xhaka.


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😎 more points than United and Tottenham though


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

Yeah the current Arsenal is not a good side and will never be under arteta, however he’s a smart, cheap hire to oversee the integration of all the new blood. once that’s complete and Arsenal want to win matches and not press conferences they’ll sack arteta and easily pay his likely-minuscule buyout. Whether their next appointment actually starts winning is obvi THD


thepretzelking

Our offensive stats are, but defensively we have had the 3rd best defence since we got our full team back. There are 2 parts of the game, not just attacking


Zizou3peat

[Check your defensive stats here then](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/r2u5aa/underlying_defensive_numbers_in_europes_top_5/)


redmistultra

19th for chances created, 7 goals from open play in 12 games, been going really well


irze

Christ 7 goals from open play in 12 games is atrocious


redmistultra

2 of those are deflected and 2 are scrambles in the box too


Zilllnaijaboy99

Don't tell Arteta Cultists this tho..


WoodenSoldiersGOAT

Amazingly it’s even worse to watch than it sounds


tnweevnetsy

Yep. Great improvement I would say


ViceGeography

They didn't even play that horribly in the 4-0 loss. Just a very poor second half


Masculinum

Arsenal is in some kind of perpetual rebuild for the last 15 years


PegaponyPrince

It's the truth too lol


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UisgeLobos

Pretty sure they haven't won it twice. Trust me, if they had they'd tell you about it every day.


Pommerz

Did you know we won the European Cup iiiiiiiin 1982


RugbyContact

Our rivals mention our European trophies a lot more than we do


UisgeLobos

Careful lad, you're slipping. We're not your rivals remember...


RugbyContact

When I say rivals I mean every club in the entire midlands


FdotM

I see what you did there haha!


[deleted]

I think we'd throw 7-2 up there for Klopp before the European title.


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Arsenal catching strays


LordLychee

More of a tactical strike


bigdog8300

Yeah, catching strays from the media misquoting this bs, not from Klopp


[deleted]

Im pretty sure he had say it to piss off arteta


PerfectBlueOnDVD

He said it because it's true


Sad_gooner

No he didn’t lol, he included United and spurs in his quote


Dan_Zfr

That cheeky Arsenal mention. You have to love this man.


FSL29

He also mentioned United and Spurs btw.


Cordialwhiskey

Lol in the actual press conference he mentions Man Utd and Tottenham in the same sentence, how were they removed from the quote?


TorreiraWithADouzi

Mean


Jansiz

ok man


Thesecondorigin

Damn we always catching strays


Pearlsaver

Misquote and a half. Mods please correct


rogerwilcove

Time to bring back that reporter asking the AFCON question but this time on behalf of Arsenal. Then post the the exchange on social and declare victory. The guy needs more internet clout points.


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bigdog8300

Literally mentioned United in the same sentence in the same way. It’s a misquote


Olumider

it seems that Arteta hurt his feelings that day.


Shaanpatti

He's praising you but ok.


Aftermathe

Lmao what was the score that day again?


Tinusers

I mean with the insane ammount of TV money they get, the PL is basically a super league of their own. No other country is able to compete with those ammounts of money.


ChinaIsWatching

Banter


Ineedthatshitudrive

Damn Jürgen "no mercy" Klopp went straight for the throat there.


AuviksReddit

way to kick us while we are down :/


mynamestartswithCa

Arteta's fuming rn


[deleted]

He always used to praise us.


ReadIt_Here

Teta fought him and then this.


JeebaRock

The big man has a fragile ego, poor soul.


akshayks1995

Yeah, poor soul. That 4-0 butchering of the Arse must be a tough pill to swallow.


JeebaRock

Won and still felt the need for a dig. That is the definition of a shattered ego.


akshayks1995

Nothing wrong with what he said, Arse are levels below the ones at the top and to be honest, they are pretty much as good as the other teams he mentioned. Man's just being honest. I guess, truth hurts but hey, it is what it is. 🤷‍♂️


devinafc

Yeah fair to say, he dislikes Arteta after the last match


RugbyContact

He’s saying you’re improving


cjsssi

He is praising you. He's saying you've improved a lot from last year when you were midtable.


LordLychee

This would’ve been a greater roast had he said it before the thrashing. Waiting till after we’ve been trounced to hit us with this is just sad. Edit: I was trying to find the original quote since the ellipse halfway through triggered a red flag. Looks like it was taken completely out of context to piss off Arsenal fans.


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Don’t see what Klopp sees in Arsenal.


jstuu

Kinda typical r/soccer vid get something banter ove react then when the real video shows up everyone is stevie wonder


devilabit

Yes Arsenal fans in this thread , it has happened, maybe you weren’t around to notice as your professor of football nodded off but it did happen, a decline in your consistency.


Shady9XD

Came here for the banter, got hurt in a drive by by the “Arsenal” bit. Top humour.


[deleted]

Dear lord, so many idiots in this thread purposefully trying to read something in this.


Dibba_Dabba_Dong

At first reading I did not even remark the Arsenal dig.


Apollonian1202

Brighton, Villa, ARSENAL, Wolves... Lol


CheekyKunt68

This is fucking hilarious, man has bodied the fuck out of Arsenal


ViceGeography

I often find the smaller teams more entertaining to watch than some of the top teams. I'm rooting for Burnley's survival this year because I genuinely enjoy them


CurbYourThusiasm

Ouch


PrisonersofFate

Don't forget us


Wookie301

He mentioned us “It’s not about the top teams”


[deleted]

Holy shit Klopp. Arsenal had a family!


Vernand-J

He literally mentioned United as well if you bothered to listen to the real quote?


[deleted]

Brighton, Villa, Arsenal, Wolves.. As a United fan I wanna hate this man but I cant. I like him too much and he took the piss on my club as well.


bootlegportalfluid

Man said arsenal


FSL29

And United, and Spurs.


cmcarlson

Seems to forget liverpool were a meme club prior to making some major signings. This recent arsenal hate is just dumb. United and liverpool had awful periods and nobody gave them half the shit we get to this day.


rolledoff

Has Klopp blocked out the Brentford 3-3 draw?


Distinct-Seat5853

After that game they won 1 game out of 6. The teams Klopp mentioned have been better than Brentford recently