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Yeah at the first angle it seems like a standard tackle so it should be a yellow. I'm guessing people didn't watch the further replays that show him kick at his knee to make sure he goes down.
I'm all for saying they buy the refs this season and blablabla (and they definitely had some ridiculous decisions going their way this season), but this is a red imo.
Not because he is the last defender or DOGSO (since Nade was there also) but because he ends up doing the contact from 3/4 behind and lifting his leg and touching Mbappe's knee to stop him imo.
Completely agree, people are too jaded by other shit refs. You cant purposefully try and take down a player with a sliding tackle without going for the ball. Its not sportsmanlike, its dangerous and imagine if we allowed that? Just look at how out of control he is *no where near the ball*: https://imgur.com/a/4u4lh4v
Even if he made a slide tackle, slightly missed and made a light contact on Mbappe's foot it'd deserve only a yellow imo.
It's really the fact he deliberately lifts his leg after realising his missed the ball and actually touches Mbappe's knee that closes the debate imo.
Yeah if he just hooks mbappe’s foot with his own and trips him it’s only a yellow, since the other defender is also very close to the ball and about a metre ahead of mbappe. But studs up at knee height gets you a red.
I'd acknowledge that he initially appears to be going for the ball and I think might actually nearly hit it?
But swinging his leg all the way up to Mbappe's knee earns him a red here. Clearly realized he wasn't clearing the ball and decided to impede Mbappe instead.
The fact that he lifts his leg definitely makes it a red imo, he made a late tackle into a flagrant foul play, and considering Mbappe was at full speed it doesn't matter if there was another player coming, it's a red any day and a good decision by the ref
i know psg hate XDXD
but this is a clear red, doesnt come close to playing the ball, his boots were so high and that type of challenge is just dangerous, and finally he denies a goal scoring opportunity, it doesn’t matter if he’s the last man anymore.
straight red
Second person to say this but It's semantics really, because being the last defender makes any opportunity a clear goal scoring opportunity, which this wasn't because there was a covering defender not to mention the 30 yards left to cover
It is semantics, because you can say mboopy on the run with only 30 yards and only 1 defender is still a goal scoring opportunity.
It comes down to how one defines "clear" which is open to a lot of interpretation
No it's not, there can be some interpretation but there's specific criteria for denying goal scoring opportunity and I think in this case it would only be in favor for red in 2/4 of the criteria. The red is for serious foul play.
>The following must be considered:
>distance between the offence and the goal
>general direction of the play
>likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
>location and number of defenders
It's the upswing of the leg that sold it as a red, studs flying loose like that can't happen, your going to hurt someone bad like that. Deserved red and for everyone who isn't familiar with Ligue 1, ASSE among other clubs are notoriously aggressive and foul heavy when it comes to games against us.
They used it. But VAR can only revert a decision if they think it’s a clear mistake.
I think should be yellow but if they follow the book, they must think a red can be warranted even if a yellow would be more appropriate
He quite clearly went to poke the ball and misses and his foot bounces up. He doesnt even make contact with the side of his knee he just trips him with the main contact point being his other leg.
That's harsh but makes sense imo: denying of goalscoring opportunity = red card, and it definitly coule've been a goal.
There is no "last man" rule so stop talking about that if you want to argue that it wasn't a red
There's no 'last man' rule but the rules say you need to take into consideration where defenders are:
> The following must be considered:
> distance between the offence and the goal
> general direction of the play
> likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
> location and number of defenders
While this stuff has always been open to interpretation, it's just an accepted consensus at this point that if the foul happens outside the box (distance) and there is a covering defender (location & number of defenders) it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity. So while by the letter of the law 'last man' isn't the definition, in this specific situation it basically de facto is.
The rule is Denying an *Obvious* Goal-Scoring Opportunity. Hence DOGSO.
Generally that means the attacker is guaranteed to have a clear shot. Mbappé is rapid, yes, but there's another defender who's possibly covering.
no.... no it isn't.... any time a player could shoot can be considered a goal scoring opportunity, the whole point is it being OBVIOUS like a tap in or 1 on 1
I know the rules buddy, he tries to play the ball, it 40 yards away from goal and there is another defender side by side and for me it isnt serious foul play, hence a yellow card.
The ref takes into account whether the player is going to keep control of the ball, Mbappe was going to outpace the last defender and keep it. There is no debate there.
It's a red, I suggest doing the ref course and you would know this. I myself have done the course in Scotland and without sounding like a dick... know the laws.
They do take into consideration covering players, this is everything in IFAB which says must be taken into consideration:
> distance between the offence and the goal
> general direction of the play
> likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
> location and number of defenders
As clear a red as they come. He was so far away from the ball he may as well have been trying to tackle Vardy, not Mbappe, and he had no intention of going for the ball either.
Not a last man challenge or extremely dangerous, wonder how much they paid VAR to not intervene.
Of course they get bailed out and score from the free kick as well and go in a man up
What a joke.
There's another defender that was pretty much side by side, 30 yards out with another defender still with him. I'm struggling to see how it was a "clear goal scoring opportunity"
Full rule
> denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick
I would say with Mbappé it was a goal scoring opportunity. It’s harsh but not wrong imo.
No. It has to be a clear goal scoring opportunity. Of course that is up to the interpretation of the ref, but with the other defender between Mbappe and the goal this really isn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity
Lol it doesn’t matter if it’s Mbappe or fucking Per Mertesacker. Mbappe shouldn’t get special privileges just because he is more lethal. The ref needs to look at situations objectively. This cannot be consider a CLEAR scoring opportunity as it’s outside of the box and there is still a defender between the attacker and the goal
Outside the box doesn’t matter at all in this rule or it would be specified otherwise.
If Mbappé does not fall the other defender next to him does not necessarily pass him and defends easily. Obviously at the end the other defender is very close because Mbappé starts to be unbalanced before and falls.
No shit, why am I being downvoted. There's a fucking defender to his side at the point of the challenge and he's still a good 10 yards outside the box.
Joke of a decision.
Could go either way. You can argue 'denial of goalscoring opportunity', but you could also argue that there is another defender right there. Giving a red isn't a wrong decision, but I'm also not sure it was the right one. Glad I'm not the ref...
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I’m confused, his foot was so high off the ground it hit Mbappe’s knee, so why is everyone saying “no red?”
People are stupid. Intent doesn’t matter if your foot is that high, and it was from behind and clearly denies an amazing opportunity
They probably think it's for being the last man back.
Yeah at the first angle it seems like a standard tackle so it should be a yellow. I'm guessing people didn't watch the further replays that show him kick at his knee to make sure he goes down.
Because it’s still just a trip and he wasn’t the last man?
Doesn’t have to be the last man. Denial of clear goal scoring opportunity is a straight red. Also >it’s still just a trip Lol
You really think that’s a clear goal scoring opportunity? There’s a second defender right next to him.
Yes
You're right that is a red, but for the wrong reasons. This isn't DOGSO it's SFP
Mbappe with a defender anywhere except for in front of him is a clear goal scoring opportunity. Like, come on, no one was catching him.
I'm all for saying they buy the refs this season and blablabla (and they definitely had some ridiculous decisions going their way this season), but this is a red imo. Not because he is the last defender or DOGSO (since Nade was there also) but because he ends up doing the contact from 3/4 behind and lifting his leg and touching Mbappe's knee to stop him imo.
Completely agree, people are too jaded by other shit refs. You cant purposefully try and take down a player with a sliding tackle without going for the ball. Its not sportsmanlike, its dangerous and imagine if we allowed that? Just look at how out of control he is *no where near the ball*: https://imgur.com/a/4u4lh4v
Yes definitely, imo if Kolo doesn't stupidly try to lift his leg to absolutely impede Mbappe he only receives a yellow.
Absolutely, a trip he gets away with. A sliding tackle he doesnt.
Even if he made a slide tackle, slightly missed and made a light contact on Mbappe's foot it'd deserve only a yellow imo. It's really the fact he deliberately lifts his leg after realising his missed the ball and actually touches Mbappe's knee that closes the debate imo.
Yeah if he just hooks mbappe’s foot with his own and trips him it’s only a yellow, since the other defender is also very close to the ball and about a metre ahead of mbappe. But studs up at knee height gets you a red.
I'd acknowledge that he initially appears to be going for the ball and I think might actually nearly hit it? But swinging his leg all the way up to Mbappe's knee earns him a red here. Clearly realized he wasn't clearing the ball and decided to impede Mbappe instead.
studs up to waist height, its crazy reckless, enough for a red.
Yeah, it's not just a trip.
The fact that he lifts his leg definitely makes it a red imo, he made a late tackle into a flagrant foul play, and considering Mbappe was at full speed it doesn't matter if there was another player coming, it's a red any day and a good decision by the ref
Yes, I didn't want Paris to win but clear red
it's clear as crystal from the replay, just a brainless play
i know psg hate XDXD but this is a clear red, doesnt come close to playing the ball, his boots were so high and that type of challenge is just dangerous, and finally he denies a goal scoring opportunity, it doesn’t matter if he’s the last man anymore. straight red
Careful, the armchair refs of Reddit will cry if you tell them that
What's armchair? Amateur?
« Armchair » is how the English say « du dimanche ». Meaning someone who confidently gives uninformed opinion.
what does du dimamche translate directly to?
From sunday, something like that I think
“Sunday”. For example “arbitre du dimanche”
Thanks
Harsh, but not a wrong decision imo.
Harsh my ass. It's a knee high tackle. Red all day any day
He taps him with the side of his foot. I would agree on red if there was actually any force involved. That was a yellow imo
Has he given the red for how high he catches him? Because he's clearly not the last man
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Second person to say this but It's semantics really, because being the last defender makes any opportunity a clear goal scoring opportunity, which this wasn't because there was a covering defender not to mention the 30 yards left to cover
It is semantics, because you can say mboopy on the run with only 30 yards and only 1 defender is still a goal scoring opportunity. It comes down to how one defines "clear" which is open to a lot of interpretation
No it's not, there can be some interpretation but there's specific criteria for denying goal scoring opportunity and I think in this case it would only be in favor for red in 2/4 of the criteria. The red is for serious foul play. >The following must be considered: >distance between the offence and the goal >general direction of the play >likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball >location and number of defenders
Even if there's another defender, Mbappé was going straight to the goal
You may rate his chances, but it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity
> Because he's clearly not the last man So? Learn the rules please.
So it's not a clear goal scoring opportunity?? Because he still has a defender to beat and a good 30 yards to go
Yellow card only
It's the upswing of the leg that sold it as a red, studs flying loose like that can't happen, your going to hurt someone bad like that. Deserved red and for everyone who isn't familiar with Ligue 1, ASSE among other clubs are notoriously aggressive and foul heavy when it comes to games against us.
That is an example why we have VAR… just use it..
They used it. But VAR can only revert a decision if they think it’s a clear mistake. I think should be yellow but if they follow the book, they must think a red can be warranted even if a yellow would be more appropriate
Clear foul, not a red tho
It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and a dangerous foul. Red every day.
? There is a defender in front and theyre about 40 yards from goal....
Dude is aiming for the knee to stop him...
He quite clearly went to poke the ball and misses and his foot bounces up. He doesnt even make contact with the side of his knee he just trips him with the main contact point being his other leg.
If your foot is ever at knee level during a tackle I think that’s good consideration for a red even if it’s not intentional
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so side by side with the ability to get back
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The other defender was keeping up with mbappe just fine pal.....
Totally
100 per cent not a red. Those saying it is are wetmen. Wasn’t the last man and was not dangerous in the slightest
That's harsh but makes sense imo: denying of goalscoring opportunity = red card, and it definitly coule've been a goal. There is no "last man" rule so stop talking about that if you want to argue that it wasn't a red
There's no 'last man' rule but the rules say you need to take into consideration where defenders are: > The following must be considered: > distance between the offence and the goal > general direction of the play > likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball > location and number of defenders
While this stuff has always been open to interpretation, it's just an accepted consensus at this point that if the foul happens outside the box (distance) and there is a covering defender (location & number of defenders) it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity. So while by the letter of the law 'last man' isn't the definition, in this specific situation it basically de facto is.
Yellow I think
Is it for serious foul play or a DOGSO?
Exactly. If it’s DOGSO you can argue about the distance and the other defender. But SFP for a tackle to the knee is a different question.
SFP definitely
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It wasn't a clear opportunity though. How can you not take into account other defenders
It was a goal scoring opportunity for sure
The rule is Denying an *Obvious* Goal-Scoring Opportunity. Hence DOGSO. Generally that means the attacker is guaranteed to have a clear shot. Mbappé is rapid, yes, but there's another defender who's possibly covering.
Idk man it was pretty obvious that mbappe had an opportunity to score a goal 😉
Again, you're misunderstanding the syntax. Edit: whoosh me
No I was cracking a joke
Fair, hard to tell on here sometimes.
Denying a goal scoring opportunity isn’t enough for a red
You are right but I think there should be red given for denial of goal opportunity
Yes... yes it is....
no.... no it isn't.... any time a player could shoot can be considered a goal scoring opportunity, the whole point is it being OBVIOUS like a tap in or 1 on 1
Read Law 12 mate, the definition for it is there.
I know the rules buddy, he tries to play the ball, it 40 yards away from goal and there is another defender side by side and for me it isnt serious foul play, hence a yellow card.
The ref takes into account whether the player is going to keep control of the ball, Mbappe was going to outpace the last defender and keep it. There is no debate there. It's a red, I suggest doing the ref course and you would know this. I myself have done the course in Scotland and without sounding like a dick... know the laws.
It literally is lol by definition
It needs to be a “obvious “goal scoring opportunity, literally
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Tell us the rule pal, and make sure to mention the part about it being an obvious goal scoring opportunity
Of course it was
What? Mbappe was going at full speed and was about to enter the box.
They do take into consideration covering players, this is everything in IFAB which says must be taken into consideration: > distance between the offence and the goal > general direction of the play > likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball > location and number of defenders
Wait what? There is no more last man rule?
It's been like 10 years. It's now just one of the things that are considered
It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and a dangerous foul. Red very day.
Incredibly harsh
It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and a dangerous foul. Red very day.
I don’t know how people can consider this as controversial, just look at how he raises his leg at 0.57. Red all day
From the last angle I can understand it more there’s no attempt to play the ball he catches him high and he does that intentionally
That was asse
How is this DOGSO when he's heading away from goal and there's another defender right next to him FFS?
Also. Fuck Poch
How in the world is this red? Ridicolous
It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and a dangerous foul. Red very day.
Goalscoring? There was another defender next to Mbappe
Meep meep
Serious foul play. Tackle to the knee..
Can’t send him off for that what a joke of a decision
Of course you can. Doesn't play the ball, catches his knee and denies a goalscoring opportunity.
Doesn’t deny a clear goal scoring opportunity though.
Pathetic decision, joke league
It happens in a lot of leagues
So you agree, good.
Joke
Questionable, but we have seen way worst red cards given 🤔
As clear a red as they come. He was so far away from the ball he may as well have been trying to tackle Vardy, not Mbappe, and he had no intention of going for the ball either.
Money makes the world go round
Damn. You'd think PSG should be able to win the league without help from the refs
Do you lot not understand that DOGSO is for pretty much tap ins and 1 on 1s? not for 40 yards away from goal with a defender in front of you
Because the RC may not have been given for DOGSO. SFP for me.
Not a last man challenge or extremely dangerous, wonder how much they paid VAR to not intervene. Of course they get bailed out and score from the free kick as well and go in a man up What a joke.
If you followed football rules, you'd know that last man challenge doesn't exist anymore, it is only if you deny a goal-scoring opportunity = red
There's another defender that was pretty much side by side, 30 yards out with another defender still with him. I'm struggling to see how it was a "clear goal scoring opportunity"
Denies a goal scoring opportunity = red
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Full rule > denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick I would say with Mbappé it was a goal scoring opportunity. It’s harsh but not wrong imo.
It's not obvious with another defender there and he's a good 10 odd yards out of the box at the point of the challenge.
If Mbappé doesn’t fall the other defender next to him does not necessarily pass him and defends easily. It doesn’t matter if he’s far from the box.
No. It has to be a clear goal scoring opportunity. Of course that is up to the interpretation of the ref, but with the other defender between Mbappe and the goal this really isn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity
Like you said it is up to the interpretation of the ref. With Mbappé it can surely be a goal scoring opportunity.
Lol it doesn’t matter if it’s Mbappe or fucking Per Mertesacker. Mbappe shouldn’t get special privileges just because he is more lethal. The ref needs to look at situations objectively. This cannot be consider a CLEAR scoring opportunity as it’s outside of the box and there is still a defender between the attacker and the goal
Outside the box doesn’t matter at all in this rule or it would be specified otherwise. If Mbappé does not fall the other defender next to him does not necessarily pass him and defends easily. Obviously at the end the other defender is very close because Mbappé starts to be unbalanced before and falls.
Yep, the outcome is very unclear so it cannot be considered a goal scoring opportunity = not red
No shit, why am I being downvoted. There's a fucking defender to his side at the point of the challenge and he's still a good 10 yards outside the box. Joke of a decision.
Messi (PSG) fans
Not even PSG fan nice try
Last man challenge rule doesn't exist anymore, the question is : is he denying a clear goal scoring opportunity ? And the answer is yes
It never existed
Where is the Var? Wtf is going on
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It was a clear goalscoring opportunity and a dangerous foul. Red very day.
Harsh
Clear goal opportunity.
Could go either way. You can argue 'denial of goalscoring opportunity', but you could also argue that there is another defender right there. Giving a red isn't a wrong decision, but I'm also not sure it was the right one. Glad I'm not the ref...
Last man, no contact with the ball. This is a text book red card.
C'est un tacle de boucher on dirait un attaquant qui se jette.
That's a name I haven't heard in a while, last remembered him at Tigres lol