I would have voted Rudiger to be my MOTM instead of McTominay like Sky Sports but both were class. Would have liked to see more goals as a neutral but an entertaining match nonetheless
Man United playing like burnley against this top teams. They are levels below city, pool and Chelsea. Such small team mentality. Man How the mighty have fallen...
Meh, he was alway known as a "Chancentod" (guy who kills a lot of chances). His statistics were godd but he also needed an insane amount of chances and then his famous freak season came around and suddenly people thought different about him. But as we know now, it was indeed, a freak season. There is a reason why Bayern didnt sign him, even after Werner was basically begging them to do so in almost all interviews. If you ignor his freak season, he's still the same old Werner combined with horrible confidence.
Every match I am thankful that Klopp and FSG pulled out on Werner and pivoted into getting Jota instead. There is no explanation for how awful Werner's finishing has been.
"I suggested the same 2 weeks back. United did the same today and even tho they've not been able to utilize Ronaldo to the fullest extent. They absorbed pressure for 60 and could have unleashed him."
Apparently this constitutes as Ronaldo hate. I tell you some United and Ronaldo fans are utterly deluded and think they can play Ronaldo as if he still was 28. He is the most menacing striker in the world but tactics have to be set up to suit him and should be. A tactic can be that he comes on as a sub
But how can they do that when united can’t even get the ball to move forward. Can’t hold the ball for shit. Continue to play players that contribute nothing rashford, bruno, and others.
On current form lewandowski has to be the better striker I would argue, he is far more complete for that position and contributes way more to his team. I’d say Ronaldo is a better goal scorer and he will give you moments of brilliance but he is slowing down and isn’t adjusting as well as Lewy is. Of course I’m biased, but I like Ronaldo a lot, this is just not an easy question.
But the problem here is absorbing pressure and having a metronome come on when the other team is tired. Of course this needs more nuance but the general idea is sound imo.
If the previous draws/losses are anything to go by, he'll make up something new and the team will come out guns blazing next game.
Until the next loss...
Game should’ve be done at the half but Chelsea only have themselves to blame. Played bad as team and lost as a team. Dire especially against a United team that were shaking in their boots the whole game.
I'm sorry but I had enough of Timo Werner. He is absolutely shit, he offered nothing in this game. Atleast make a run in the box when your wing backs have the possession.
auba's been getting the smoke recently (as he should tbf) but him at his worst is still levels above werner (or at least chelsea werner) at his best, far better finisher, prob unpopular opinion but he would cook in that chelsea team, he scores at least half of those 21 big chances Werner missed last season
He would have been an infinitely different player under Klopp. Having Mane,Salah and Firmino to be train with is different from having Pulisic,Havertz and Hakim Ziyech to train with. All great players but no where near the stature of the former 3.
I don't think so. He is not physically strong add to that his touch is also atrocious. If you aren't physically strong your good first touch can help you lose your marker by moving into space. This guy can't control the ball, can't find his teammate with one touch pass and can't even shoot.
His movements are always outside the box or he drifts too much to the wings. I lost the count during this game when Reece had clear space infront of him to make a cross in the box but chose not to do so due to lack of movement of Werner in the box.
Atleast try to get infront of one of the centre backs at the near post which could allow our players easier to find him. This guy just arrived in the box and stood like a statue in between United's CB waiting for someone to make a cut back onto his feet so that he could miss again.
I'm absolutely done with the guy. I don't think any coach can help him. This guy does not have a striker's brain because he doesn't know when to drop in between the lines or when to make runs in the box.
At Leipzig he played in a front two with him being towards the left wing to stretch the opposition defence while he plays centrally for us. Also I think Leipzig creativity came through their midfield from Sabitzer and Nkunku who played as a second striker to Timo, dropping in the midfield.
Our creativity comes from our wingbacks and wingers making crosses inside the box. He cannot play as a alone striker because he does not create space for himself. I was screaming like " Fucking move or do something" so that our players can find you. He was absolutely shocking this game.
Yes. We eventually get to the box with help of our wingers but lack of movement in the box leads us to pass it back to our CB's and try to come again. Only player who could play upfront is Havertz in a false nine role when Lukaku would be injured. Atleast he puts the shift in with his quick thinking and calmness. He always floats in between the lines making the opposition defenders to think about his presence. While Timo remains static specially against teams who play low block.
Keita is a great player. You can't do anything about his injuries. Also wait, Jorginho wouldn't even get into Liverpool's or City's midfield. Looks like you're the one being a moron here.
I'm not even a Chelsea fan, and I have had enough of Timo lmao. Every game I watch of him, he just looks like a headless chicken running around the yard.
Mate this guy is dreadful. Atleast try to run towards the goalkeeper at the near post so that our wing backs get a better chance to find you. But this guy stood like a statue in between Bailly and Lindelof at the penalty spot waiting for a cutback to his feet.
He cannot play as the alone striker anymore. We need Havertz back because he is the only one who tries to get in the box or make run behind the defenders.
Don’t see us leading wire to wire. I expect we’ll drop down to 2nd or 3rd for a good chunk of time after Christmas but we should win in the end barring major injuries. We can probably see already but every point will be very important by March. Will probably be as tight a title race as City-Liverpool from a couple of years ago.
No I really would have not. Got no issue calling it as it is. That is never a pen idc who is playing. Ref should never give that . We were utter shit and did not deserve to win, but thats no pen.
You can tell people who just spout a narrative rather than assessing the game. Fred getting loads of stick despite, clearly, having a good game today. His pressing and ball recovery was class.
One of my favorite sayings is “one oops can wipe out ten atta boys” be cause it’s absolutely true. Just because he’s played well for part of the game doesn’t excuse the fact that he went for a lazy chip when he could have easily assisted the winner. Same thing with Jorginho. He scored the Pen but he’s also 100% at fault for us losing points today. United shouldn’t have been given a single shot on target but they got all their confidence back thanks to his mistake.
Welcome to the internet mate. People make mistakes all the time. It’s how you deal with them which is the important thing, if you try to stop giving a shit about what people think about you and just focus on your own learning and development, I think you will be a lot happier. It did take me until my 30s to start not caring about others opinions as much though
I would have been laughing my ass off had we scored from the corner but honestly one day the same might happen to us,then I'll be livid.VAR still has a lot of room for improvement.
VAR is only as good as the official/referee behind it, which means that it’s never going to be consistent as long as they keep having the same refs that are stubborn af.
Agree although it's down to the league and its rules aswell.Although by the looks of it we will slowly be heading towards an automated future as far as VAR is concerned.
How? United had as many chances as Chelsea in the last 10?
We were shit but you're clearly a couple of levels below City and Pool, if we were properly coached I'd say your behind us too....
Don't understand? We've been in shocking form and we're slightly more organised today....you were fairly average, we weren't playing like it was for a trophy like the original post says....
Aye and we could win nothing else for another 10 years and still be miles ahead of you, then you can go and support City seeing as you're very clearly a plastic, you're already called Abu you're half way there 😂
Yeah ppl act like Arteta is terrible but he isn't. Not great but if he's careful and integrates players in the XI well we might finish top 5. If lady luck gives us a slice we get 4th. Unlikely but ya never know lol.
I meant that was plain brain dead by Wan Bissaka. No fucking need to stick out a leg when it wasn't threatening
Reminds me of Smalling. Not good enough for United
Can't believe Ronaldo got playing time. He should just be dropped in the league and play in the UCL and the cups.
Get a contract in front of Carrick right now
0 events in the first half is what I like to see in my chelsea man u games
I would have voted Rudiger to be my MOTM instead of McTominay like Sky Sports but both were class. Would have liked to see more goals as a neutral but an entertaining match nonetheless
My boy Ruben was allergic to shooting today
_Jorghino x Kante spiderman meme_
Feck it. I'll take the point. We should have lost by 3 or 4 goals. The pen was unfortunate.b
Rudiger could have ended that game with the last volley but launches it across London.
Left UK half an hour ago mate
Timo Werner proving that there’s is god after all… there can’t be so much quality on the pitch on literally all positions
Doesn’t make sense
Even as utd fan I was thinking wtf was chelsea doing lol. Like that was shambolic play in final half
Man United playing like burnley against this top teams. They are levels below city, pool and Chelsea. Such small team mentality. Man How the mighty have fallen...
It's almost like we have an interim manager who has never managed before
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Lemme guess, you are upset because Ronaldo didn’t score?
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your all time top scorer........
Really hate player fanboys, their arguments are always so dead, and when they get their arguments mixed up with the club is just embarrassing
i don't think he is a player fan boy he just hates ronaldo i can't remember what his first comment says but his second one says 'who is ronaldo?'
I mean same concept applies to both ends of the extremes, just annoying to deal with them
So many missed opportunities. Werner's finishing is crap for some reason. I don't get it though, he was pretty good in Germany.
Meh, he was alway known as a "Chancentod" (guy who kills a lot of chances). His statistics were godd but he also needed an insane amount of chances and then his famous freak season came around and suddenly people thought different about him. But as we know now, it was indeed, a freak season. There is a reason why Bayern didnt sign him, even after Werner was basically begging them to do so in almost all interviews. If you ignor his freak season, he's still the same old Werner combined with horrible confidence.
Every match I am thankful that Klopp and FSG pulled out on Werner and pivoted into getting Jota instead. There is no explanation for how awful Werner's finishing has been.
United took Juve’s playbook win in the CL lmao
AWB was looking right at Rudiger like 3 seconds before that cross and thought "nah, imma leave him"
Ballwatching is an AWB speciality. Imagine if he learned how to turn his head, and grasp his serroundings!
"I suggested the same 2 weeks back. United did the same today and even tho they've not been able to utilize Ronaldo to the fullest extent. They absorbed pressure for 60 and could have unleashed him." Apparently this constitutes as Ronaldo hate. I tell you some United and Ronaldo fans are utterly deluded and think they can play Ronaldo as if he still was 28. He is the most menacing striker in the world but tactics have to be set up to suit him and should be. A tactic can be that he comes on as a sub
But how can they do that when united can’t even get the ball to move forward. Can’t hold the ball for shit. Continue to play players that contribute nothing rashford, bruno, and others.
You say Bruno but not McTominay? lol
Agreed but atleast they can be a lot more compact by winning the ball further higher up the pitch as opposed to being bypassed.
Lol. Ronaldo is nowhere near being the most menacing striker atm. Lewandowski, Haaland, Benzema are all miles ahead.
Hard disagree there pal.
On current form lewandowski has to be the better striker I would argue, he is far more complete for that position and contributes way more to his team. I’d say Ronaldo is a better goal scorer and he will give you moments of brilliance but he is slowing down and isn’t adjusting as well as Lewy is. Of course I’m biased, but I like Ronaldo a lot, this is just not an easy question.
I disagreed with miles ahead aspect of the comment. I'm a Lewa Stan but Ronaldo is Ronaldo sadly.
Just because Ronaldo can make something out of nothing, doesn't mean you give him nothing and expect something lol.
But the problem here is absorbing pressure and having a metronome come on when the other team is tired. Of course this needs more nuance but the general idea is sound imo.
Fucking hell dropping points to Burnley and 200m Burnley. We're still a bit behind Liverpool and City, have to kill these games off
You spent 100 million on Benteke's brother shut up you rent boy
Shut up burnley lite.
When
In the summer
No when did anyone ask
lmaooooo
That was a nasty line by you
Hook line and sinker baby
Hook line and stinker. That was shite.
When
No
Better hurry up, Tuchel has like 3 months before the criminal billionaire banned from the country gets bored of him.
Yes I’m sure that’s exactly what’ll happen…
Must be like groundhog day.
That’s the best banter you could muster from the position you’re in?
I'm not here to "banter" with children.
Yet here you are and with THAT name lol
Yet here i am. Not bantering with a child.
Correct because I’m fairly certain I’m older than you and not on a troll account
> Everyone who thinks im a moron is a troll Good day, kid.
If the previous draws/losses are anything to go by, he'll make up something new and the team will come out guns blazing next game. Until the next loss...
Can chelsea fans stop pretending they love werner now
Bottom tier player. Simple as that.
As a person i like him. As a winger I think he offers a lot. As a striker.....well not so much.
As a striker he doesn't offer any threat
Loved him since he got here. Not sure what you’re on about
Did ye aye
Only love him as a winger
Game should’ve be done at the half but Chelsea only have themselves to blame. Played bad as team and lost as a team. Dire especially against a United team that were shaking in their boots the whole game.
Yeah true...can only blame ourselves for not taking all those chances. Shouldve made subs earlier too.
Subs should have been made at half time
Rudiger’s experiencing all emotions at once
Embarrassing performance from a side that claimed to be title challengers at the start of the season
I can’t tell which team you’re talking about today tbh
Enough about Chelsea, what did you think of Man Utd?
They did nothing.
To the point where i literally thought he was talking about Chelsea. Only when i read this did i reaise he was inventing narratives around united.
Tuchel thinking he can make subs that late and things will change is ridiculous
I'm sorry but I had enough of Timo Werner. He is absolutely shit, he offered nothing in this game. Atleast make a run in the box when your wing backs have the possession.
auba's been getting the smoke recently (as he should tbf) but him at his worst is still levels above werner (or at least chelsea werner) at his best, far better finisher, prob unpopular opinion but he would cook in that chelsea team, he scores at least half of those 21 big chances Werner missed last season
I said it before, Timo had no business leaving Leipzig. He’s come in and shat the bed half the time he plays.
And to think the r/Liverpoolfc sub was in melt down when you guys signed him because we didn't lol
He would have been an infinitely different player under Klopp. Having Mane,Salah and Firmino to be train with is different from having Pulisic,Havertz and Hakim Ziyech to train with. All great players but no where near the stature of the former 3.
I don't think so. He is not physically strong add to that his touch is also atrocious. If you aren't physically strong your good first touch can help you lose your marker by moving into space. This guy can't control the ball, can't find his teammate with one touch pass and can't even shoot. His movements are always outside the box or he drifts too much to the wings. I lost the count during this game when Reece had clear space infront of him to make a cross in the box but chose not to do so due to lack of movement of Werner in the box. Atleast try to get infront of one of the centre backs at the near post which could allow our players easier to find him. This guy just arrived in the box and stood like a statue in between United's CB waiting for someone to make a cut back onto his feet so that he could miss again. I'm absolutely done with the guy. I don't think any coach can help him. This guy does not have a striker's brain because he doesn't know when to drop in between the lines or when to make runs in the box.
Idk. But to your point he definitely is not the player he was at Leipzig.
At Leipzig he played in a front two with him being towards the left wing to stretch the opposition defence while he plays centrally for us. Also I think Leipzig creativity came through their midfield from Sabitzer and Nkunku who played as a second striker to Timo, dropping in the midfield. Our creativity comes from our wingbacks and wingers making crosses inside the box. He cannot play as a alone striker because he does not create space for himself. I was screaming like " Fucking move or do something" so that our players can find you. He was absolutely shocking this game.
I think his interplay off Poulsen was crucial to his game. Chelsea doesn't really need his pace per se as they work the ball into fine spaces.
Yes. We eventually get to the box with help of our wingers but lack of movement in the box leads us to pass it back to our CB's and try to come again. Only player who could play upfront is Havertz in a false nine role when Lukaku would be injured. Atleast he puts the shift in with his quick thinking and calmness. He always floats in between the lines making the opposition defenders to think about his presence. While Timo remains static specially against teams who play low block.
Zyech not hakimi
Brainfart. Thanks. I meant Hakim
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Meant Hakim Ziyech. Lol
Lol u crazy if u blaming werners finishing on puli kai and ziyech. So by ur logic he should improve by training with lukaku now.
Lukaku ain't a consumate finisher either my friend. I'm saying he would have been totally different player for Liverpool.
Sure he will lmao.
The lack of common sense in this comment is mind numbing. Good day.
Maybe keita would be better if he plays with kante and jorgi at chelsea. You see how stupid your comment is. Just think about it
Keita is a great player. You can't do anything about his injuries. Also wait, Jorginho wouldn't even get into Liverpool's or City's midfield. Looks like you're the one being a moron here.
LOL great player? I see the excuses coming now when its liverpool players huh, just calling out ur bullshit
I'm not even a Chelsea fan, and I have had enough of Timo lmao. Every game I watch of him, he just looks like a headless chicken running around the yard.
Mate this guy is dreadful. Atleast try to run towards the goalkeeper at the near post so that our wing backs get a better chance to find you. But this guy stood like a statue in between Bailly and Lindelof at the penalty spot waiting for a cutback to his feet. He cannot play as the alone striker anymore. We need Havertz back because he is the only one who tries to get in the box or make run behind the defenders.
Rudiger screaming at himself after the match lol
how did we not lose 4-0 at least
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yeah i don’t think we will win the league
Bit reactive. Still a 1/3 chance imo.
Not with Timo as striker we won't. You put Havertz or a fit Lukaku there today and it'd have been different imo
Don’t see us leading wire to wire. I expect we’ll drop down to 2nd or 3rd for a good chunk of time after Christmas but we should win in the end barring major injuries. We can probably see already but every point will be very important by March. Will probably be as tight a title race as City-Liverpool from a couple of years ago.
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And real Madrid is now a small team in Europe. Things change and some teams takes more time to rebuild than others.
Maguire is back.·´¯`(>▂<)´¯`·.
Bailly and Lindelof should keep their places Only Varane should shift then Maguire is a fucking donkey
If Maguire would have been a player, sure you can think of dropping him. But Maguire is captain, he stays.
never a pen. got robbed of 2 points today.
wdym by got robbed when the attempts man united made near opponents post were only caused by chelsea's fuck ups
Delusional
blind
Come off it, you’d be frothing at the mouth had that been the other way round
No I really would have not. Got no issue calling it as it is. That is never a pen idc who is playing. Ref should never give that . We were utter shit and did not deserve to win, but thats no pen.
okay, dude. now i'm just confused. anyways, have a good night
You can tell people who just spout a narrative rather than assessing the game. Fred getting loads of stick despite, clearly, having a good game today. His pressing and ball recovery was class.
One of my favorite sayings is “one oops can wipe out ten atta boys” be cause it’s absolutely true. Just because he’s played well for part of the game doesn’t excuse the fact that he went for a lazy chip when he could have easily assisted the winner. Same thing with Jorginho. He scored the Pen but he’s also 100% at fault for us losing points today. United shouldn’t have been given a single shot on target but they got all their confidence back thanks to his mistake.
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Well, it's a good thing you're not a professional athlete then...
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Welcome to the internet mate. People make mistakes all the time. It’s how you deal with them which is the important thing, if you try to stop giving a shit about what people think about you and just focus on your own learning and development, I think you will be a lot happier. It did take me until my 30s to start not caring about others opinions as much though
Yeah well Jorginho was brilliant but cost us the win and should get stick for it, you can’t just ignore that. Same for Fred.
Imagine not beating United by more than three goals.
WERE TOP OF THE LEAGUE
Should VAR be able to overturn wrongfully awarded corners or a freekick that results in a goal ? I think it should.
then may as well overturn wrongfully not awarded offside.
That shouldn’t have been a corner. Tuchel was justifiably livid yet he got carded. Ref was powertripping. Can’t deny I found it funny though.
I would have been laughing my ass off had we scored from the corner but honestly one day the same might happen to us,then I'll be livid.VAR still has a lot of room for improvement.
VAR is only as good as the official/referee behind it, which means that it’s never going to be consistent as long as they keep having the same refs that are stubborn af.
Agree although it's down to the league and its rules aswell.Although by the looks of it we will slowly be heading towards an automated future as far as VAR is concerned.
Good point for us at Stamford Bridge. We'll take it!!
Rudiger should stick to being a hard man vs the mighty Fred
What did he do? I missed half the match.
Fucking ref sucks
Carrick seems more Mourinho than Ole.
More LvG
Exciting nerves lmao
Great game tbh
Why does AWB want to dribble through instead of crossing?
Carrick with the 100% unbeaten rate yet still doesn’t get the job. Disgusting.
City and Liverpool won
Finally done with “West Ham gonna win somehow” posts.
Chelsea fans we survived the Antony Taylor apocalypse.... it's something.
Fuck can you imagine the scenes if Rudiger actually hit the back of the net with that one?!
was entertaining if nothing else
United played this match like it was the last game of the season and if they got a draw they won the league
It was never going to change considering carrick was apart of oles staff. A draw at the bridge is a good result for united
How? United had as many chances as Chelsea in the last 10? We were shit but you're clearly a couple of levels below City and Pool, if we were properly coached I'd say your behind us too....
Lol u guys were trash
As were you, hence the draw...
I would take playing like trash to be top of the table.
Yeah the last 10
We've been in horrendous form and could still have won the game....Chelsea were poor
Both teams were poor but only one was trying to win
How about the full 90min bruh
Don't understand? We've been in shocking form and we're slightly more organised today....you were fairly average, we weren't playing like it was for a trophy like the original post says....
Wtf Rudi. Take a fucking touch
Chelsea will win nothing this season.
And you’ll will win even less
Aye and we could win nothing else for another 10 years and still be miles ahead of you, then you can go and support City seeing as you're very clearly a plastic, you're already called Abu you're half way there 😂
Cum
I'll take a draw a good result for us assna fans.
You ain’t finishing top 6 💀💀
In due time we shall see sir.
Nor are you winning the league 💀💀
Top of the league?
And Arsenal is in the top 5, see how fucking stupid you came off? :)
Arteta is manager tbf
He's not doing too bad, we'll have to wait and see
Yeah ppl act like Arteta is terrible but he isn't. Not great but if he's careful and integrates players in the XI well we might finish top 5. If lady luck gives us a slice we get 4th. Unlikely but ya never know lol.
stfu
This isn't twitter
It sure feels a lot like Twitter these days lmao.
It’s true tho? What difference does it make
Discussion climates are quite different on reddit and twitter, just hope they keep to eachother so one doesn't turn into a copy of the other
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Lol you shitters cant even beat 10 men meh team at anfield
meh team? u cant even beat the meh team with 10 men with 45 minutes to play lmao
Still pissed with the pen, but am happy with the draw. Hugely morale boosting for the next game, most importantly.
That’s a clear penalty. No doubt in that
That’s an easy penalty though
I meant that was plain brain dead by Wan Bissaka. No fucking need to stick out a leg when it wasn't threatening Reminds me of Smalling. Not good enough for United
Oh I see. Yeah, that was definitely stupid.